User talk:JarrahTree/Archive 33

Important
I thought it important to retrieve this for all to see. It did take some searching as it had been moved twice. Cheers (hic!) ;) &mdash;Moondyne 06:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll defend you, just a minor technicality we(I) contacted Jimbo so sats maybe able to argue his way out of the drink Gnangarra 08:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Get yourself a lawyer. &mdash;Moondyne 10:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * :D Oh dear. Orderinchaos 10:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikimeetup
Thanks very much for the work you did today. This morning went very well, and I'm glad Jimbo was in capable hands. Unfortunately I did not get much of an opportunity to speak with you. Hopefully I will next time. :) - Mark 08:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Suburbs & LGA
When assesing Suburbs and LGA's of Perth, what WP do we put them into - WA or Perth? Twenty Years 10:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Avoid that, wrong person, sorry - Twenty Years 10:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Hi long time no see. How are you going? News said you met Jimbo somewhere on the west coast of Australia, hehe. It's been on and off for me, hope to see you around.  Imo eng  11:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL I'm not sending you the message just for that. How you been doing? Anyway, don't tell Merbabu, but I've seen a picture of you, :P.  Imo eng  12:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, so it's an old pic, hmm. Alrighty then.  Imo eng  12:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've heard about him, from a local newspaper, lol. Nonetheless it's a good quote, regardless where did it come from. Yeah, we just had two days of rain in Melbourne, which is good, so I can still drink water.  Imo eng  12:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

User:PockBot
Looks interesting. See it's contributions page. Limit of 500 sub-cats and it reads no more than one article per second, so you wouldn't want to run it on a really large category. &mdash;Moondyne 13:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Bug
There actually is, they're classified under WA unassessed. That's why WA's unassessed level was disproportionately high (and one of the reasons I'm trying to get the Perth ones done so we know where we stand :)) Orderinchaos 03:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

WAY 1979
Hey there, I was really sorry I couldn't make it to the meetup, particularly with special guest and all. Too busy with work and family etc. Hopefully catch you at the next meetup, 7 am just wasn't that feasible for me.... Anyways - pics - I uploaded the other 2 pics I took today and stuck them all in a cat on commons here. Maybe at some point I would be able to get round them all - never even thought it would be useful at the time. Next time maybe...Cheers SeanMack 13:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Tassie stuff
Yeah. I put up the tag after Cheyne's comment as I thought it would be a good discussion promoter. I don't know the area. Anyway...cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 14:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

PS: Met Jimbo at Sydney meetup tonight. :) cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 14:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Central Java
Well thank you for your compliment! However the English needs to be checked later and the whole article proof read once it is finished! Meursault2004 14:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Saya kira besok saja, as it is not finished yet :-) Still need to write about politics and tourism. Meursault2004 14:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Well a brief description about tourism is more than welcome, right? Perhaps you have some more info about these obyek pariwisata :-) Meursault2004 14:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok I'll wait and I'll let Indon and the others proof read the article. I think almost all subjects have been covered. Meursault2004 14:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Cabal
Sounds good. Grant | Talk 07:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Standards
Better, by doing some (or any) research? I notice that article single cited source :) Got a scanner? No matter. I'm off to defend heritage cats, from per nom "I hate this stuff" fellow editors. Thanks, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  10:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow
I just looked at your user contribution. And it's just, WOW. Thanks for being so, hmm, what's the word, diligent?  Imo eng  12:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL alright, go SatuSuro, go!  Imo eng  12:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And by the way, could you take a look at Indonesia, please. Look at the two edits before my last edit and tell me what should we do with it. He wrote quite a few sentences, that's what makes me worry. Cheers -  Imo eng  12:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Ehem
It's easy to move it to another article. :-) The edit is toooo specific and the article is already tooo large. I hope you don't mind. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Bums
Someone else got there first. The cheek of some people. If he'd asked nicely first with a little sweetener then ... &mdash;Moondyne 13:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

New
thank you for amazing me by instantly adding to my bumbling stumbling effort on Jukungs. What an incredible effort by you all, suksema. Markkeatinge 13:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Translating from WP id
HI there, I need your thoughts. I notice there is a bit of translating into English from Indonesian wikipedia articles. These are unsourced and this bothers me. The thinking seems to be, "just write it and we can find the sources later". Well, isn't that putting the cart before the proverbial horse? And it makes no sense. one should only contribute from sources anyway, so these things should be on hand. case in point: Catholicism in Indonesia. I'm a firm believer in 'no info is better than bad info'. According to WP:ATT nothing should be here that is not properly sourced.

I think we should get strict on this. I think all Indonesia editors should be reminded, unreferenced tags and cn tags placed as appropriate, and info removed after say 1 or 2 months. What do you think? --Merbabu 01:37, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK - will wait for your e-mail. --Merbabu 02:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Toot toot
you better open this in private owing to the extremely intense emotions it may invoke - too much! Fancyfootwork 03:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

SG tagging
Sure, great! -  SpL o T  // 05:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Many of the articles there are actually lists or disambiguations. If you like, you could create another category for lists and disambiguations. -  SpL o T  // 05:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * One more thing, should we include these stats about NA-class on Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Singapore articles by quality statistics? It is updated daily by a bot, so some communication with the owner of the bot might be required. I think your friend would be able to help us with that. -  SpL o T  // 05:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

University Flying Club
It was me that deleted it. The only sources provided were the club webpage and the club newsletter. Henrietta has newsletters and their standing orders, but nothing third party.

Surely you know by now what a low notability bar I have ;-) All I ask is that it is possible to write an article using reliable 3rd party sources. If you can find an R3PS for it, I'll gladly undelete. In fact, if you think R3PSs exist, say so, and I'll gladly undelete while you search for them. Hesperian 05:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Maritime history
I created Category:Maritime history of Australia on 11 February. Is that what you're after, or do you want WikiProject assessment categories e.g. Category:Start-class Maritime history of Australia articles? Hesperian 11:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

RE:Portal:Western Australia
Yep long way from the dunsborough bakery, ill add a related portal box later today, just havn't gotten around to it yet. Its true that very few users help maintain portals, there is a way to get around this. I have used the random portal component template, this allows the portal to refresh itself with new info whenever the server is purged. This way the portal always looks new and fresh. Hossen27 08:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * (dedit conflict) I have finished the related portal box, what do you think. I don't think Portal:Adelaide exists its just a redirect. centralising project/portal/notceboard to one location is a good idea, should be looked into. Hossen27 08:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks the selected communities is just an idea (may not stay). It will showcase our towns and cities only. Hossen27 08:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Like I said just an idea, I was going off what they have at Portal:Texas, both a article and spotlight city. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hossen27 (talk • contribs) 08:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

I dont know if this is what you where after but we could centralise all our tasks onto one template so it doesnt get to confusing. I had a go here (Template:WikiProject Western Australia announcement board). it could be added to the projects main page along with the portal and countless others. Hossen27 12:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

That seems a good idea. I've transcluded it into the WP:WA page (with an edit link) and removed some of the duplicated detail. &mdash;Moondyne 14:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

NT
Excellent - certainly. Not sure how far I will get but getting a bit of structure may hopefully attract editors in. Fancyfootwork 08:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I did some templates a few weeks ago for Darwin suburbs and the like - I've got a UBD covering Darwin and Alice Springs, and my work with the stats works as well up there as down here. An NT WikiProject would definitely be an interesting one... Orderinchaos 15:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Sinking ships
Thanks for the welcome. I drank dutch gin at the site of the Zuytdorp wreck a few years ago and have been fascinated by ancient shipwrecks ever since. --Zamphuor 14:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

na class
Thanks for the info... I'm just running autobrowswer & am catching them as I come across them SkierRMH 02:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

IMage
There one in the geee.mail Gnangarra 02:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

List of highways in Tasmania
Thought you would like to know that I've fianlly found a reference for the Brooker Highway's daily traffic usage. And its an internet reference. I added it on the List Of Tasmanian Highways page. Wiki ian 03:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

cats
Hi SatuSuro, where is your e-mail address? WikiTownsvillian 04:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:NT
That's pretty cool! I used to live very close to CDU, probably would be going there now if we hadn't moved :) I've moved the project to WikiProject Northern Territory - once that's established I'll delete WikiProject Northern Territory - and I just did a quick layout, overlapping with yours now, but we'll put it all together later, cool? Nice to meet you, I see you around a lot! Take care, – Riana ऋ 05:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow ask and thou shall recieve!!!!! Good work and I expect you are now requiring to be scraped up from of the floor! I would award an award if I knew how. I hope it attracts people to start writing about the top end and structures it all together a bit better. Fancyfootwork 08:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * How do we make nt=yes on the talk pages work? Fancyfootwork 08:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Need to fix up Template:WP Australia for that - let's get the thing off the ground first :) – Riana ऋ 10:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Will you also be able to do one for the Australian Antarctic Territory tonight please? I say with my tongue in my cheek KIDDING! Fancyfootwork 10:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh! And SatuSuro - I'm about to leave here, but I think a rough to-do list needs to be drawn up, at the very least. We still need some sort of article grading system, but that can probably wait a little. I can write the list up tomorrow during the day if you like, or you can start tonight, your call. – Riana ऋ 10:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I wrote a very vague to-do list, please feel free to add to/remove from it! I have to leave now, but thank you for setting this up :) – Riana ऋ 10:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you probably deserve a rest - do you have a job aside from wiki and kids and all the rest? What did you study?Fancyfootwork 10:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It actually took me about 15 minutes to set that whole thing up - it's very easy using a portal layout :) – Riana ऋ 11:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The Victoria project layout is pretty hard to wrap your head around. The layout I used honestly takes about a quarter of an hour to get going. Try it out :) Anyway, I really should go now. Take care! – Riana ऋ 11:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
for the (email) heads up! --Steve (Stephen)talk 05:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Sydney H B response
That's fine. It's obvious after that first warning when they resume vandalising whether they're to be trusted or not. Happy editing. Lradrama 11:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Good humour barntstar

 * You're most welcome my friend, most welcome ;-) Lradrama 11:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
It's just a cleaning work actually. There are many similar articles, so it's time to make them right. The list is not yet finished, still a long way to go. Also recent name change, moving and redirection by you-know-who is a warning that we should make appropriate naming for administrative places. After I finish the whole list, I might want to introduce proper naming for provinces, regencies, cities, subdistricts and villages. But first, the list should be ready. By the way, have you noticed WP:FAC lately ? ;-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

FAC
I thought you are master of riddles. :-) Toraja is on FAC now, wish me luck. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

AMH
The main category is Category:Maritime history of Australia. (there was another partly populated one called Australian maritime history which I nuked). We should focus on populating the MHA one I suppose. &mdash;Moondyne 12:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, we have talked about Port of Freo before but its still on the to-do list at this stage. &mdash;Moondyne 12:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the cats under MHA are a bit of a dogs breakfast. I wouldn't be in too much of a hurry to be creating any more.  Someone needs to do a full review as there seems to be a lot of overlaps.  &mdash;Moondyne 12:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * And bags it not being me! re: Shipwrecks, you're much too kind.  Thanks for the nice words. &mdash;Moondyne 04:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Category Talk Page - Freshwater Fish of Australia
You placed a comment on my talk page about something that is/was on the talk page for this category. WTF? There is no comment on that talk page so far as I can see. Please explain what you want me to do, if anything. Nick Thorne talk  23:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * See further reply on my talk page Nick Thorne  talk  00:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Cats
Yep, any project with scope constrained by geography can go there... including AMH if you want. Hesperian 03:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

NT project
WP:NTA and WT:NTA created. I think you should check with Riana re removing the under construction tag as I have no idea what else she has in mind. It looks good to me though. Great start. Funny how there's no residents enrolled yet - only ex's. &mdash;Moondyne 04:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, remove it. The front page, at least, is up. Article grading etc can happen later (I'll try to get stuck into it on the weekend, I'll be rather busy during the week). Thanks for all your help! :) – Riana ऋ 05:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Orchids
My humble opinion is that article is dying of loneliness. Give it some attention. Do whatever thou thinkest best. Hesperian 07:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Cats
Ahmm - I'm trying to think this one through. Firstly you are correct and what scant hairs remain are safe for now). Two possibilities - I was up late and someone spiked my drink/s or (actually this is more likely to be the truth) assessment was a glitch in using script from Outriggr in the first few trials that got past me - as I was trying the script out to see how we could get rid of that damn big list of unaccessed articles. However that list category has since been fixed and thank you for trawling. Stay Sane!!!-- VS  talk 13:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You are very kind. Just finished trawling through last nights watch list - and found my very unique Barnstar - now worn with pride!-- VS  talk 21:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

M Weir
Just saw an OIC edit using a nice template and I'm converted (pun intended) and have added it to my collection: 92 km, handy... (user sean mack - great guy!)

Category assessment
After trailing through all those you should go down a storm at the next trivia night. You did read all the contents didn't you? --Steve (Stephen)talk 23:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Empty cat
Yes please :) (Caniago 01:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

Cats and stats
Sounds reasonable to me. But I suggest you tread carefully all the same. Perhaps adopt the following principles: Hesperian 01:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Only remove old messages, never recent ones;
 * Use "archiving" as your edit summary;
 * Revert immediately if challenged.

unsigned comments
Category talk pages and article talk pages should be considered in exactly the same way, although admittedly no-one ever reads category talk pages. I would generally not remove such comments, unless they were "off-topic"; talk pages are for discussing improvement to the article but often you see unsigned comments from anons discussing the topic. These you might consider removing. Remember to AGF but if its plainly a "stupid question or statement", ditch it. WP:TALK is the guideline. &mdash;Moondyne 01:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's OK ;). &mdash;Moondyne 02:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Red Light Mole
For Satusuro.
 * Thanks. I just found it and replied at Fred's talk.  &mdash;Moondyne 14:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

articles vs nonarticles
Yeah, should be separated. I'll try to see what I have to add to the template to make it go into different categories. – Rianaऋ 13:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I have no idea how to fix that! I'll ask Longhair or Cyberjunkie, they know what they're doing there - there's way too much code there for me to wrap my head around :) – Rianaऋ 13:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I never knew about that one! It's pretty neat, I'll have to create a WikiProject on something just so I can use that :) I think all the categories have been formatted properly, could you please have a quick check? Noticed you were tagging the talkpages, thanks :) I'm off to bed, but I'll come back to it on the weekend, time permitting. Cheers mate, – Rianaऋ 15:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Bessie
I swear, this is the last reference. It is the one I should have read first. Then I have to fix the red links, research revealed a mine of potential new article subjects. I'm off to some granite outcrops now :o Best regards, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  15:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I missed that; you deserve this:

"☝ discussion"

Cred
I sometimes hear reports in the media that wikipedia is being more and more widely regarded as a source but today we were told by a lecturer at uni not to use wiki because of the chaser stunt which has shown that it is open to malicious and unreliable information. Was a bit disheartened because if the article history is checked then you can feel if it is dodgy or not. I hope I didnt appear to be following you around looking over your shoulder but thought I had better put some little effort in since I put the hard word on you to start the project. The airport stuff was the first on the list. Fancyfootwork 15:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * interesting discussion brewing here Fancyfootwork 15:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes it all goes back to the old adage believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see Fancyfootwork 15:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Your Talk Archive 19
I have moved User:Talk:SatuSuro/Archive 19 to User talk:SatuSuro/Archive 19 and deleted the resultant redirect. I also fixed the link at User talk:SatuSuro/Archive 14-23. You had a typo in your page name that placed it the wrong place. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 22:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Dave Hole
I know D H personally and he was a neighbour for a v long time - do you need any further verifiable info? SatuSuro 09:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If you got anything else to add, toss it in. I did live in WA and use to see him play, but didnt know him personally. He is doing so well as a musician now, he deserves a good article.Boylo 23:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Australian art collectors
I added Stokes in. Any others you can think of? &mdash;Moondyne 05:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Trafficking
You do pick 'em! Looks like three or four editors have made it their hobby for a few months. But I need quieter places to exercise my new admin skillz. --Steve (Stephen)talk 05:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

LP Art?
Sorry, I have no idea what you meant there. Thewinchester (talk) 15:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers for that, body is here but the brain is not. I'm just about finished with the L's in my latest spurt in the Companies of Australia cleanup. It's mind-numbing but necessary work. Thewinchester (talk) 15:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: revert
Yeah I was about to warn the editor but I noticed that you already did. I think articles should use both measurement systems - we're an international encyclopedia. I remember some major edit wars relating to removal of imperial/metric units in the part and I really wouldn't like to see a repeat of that. Australia still seems to use imperial units for some things like people's heights and sometimes weight. I would've gone to the meetup with Jimbo if it was at any time other than breakfast - I really don't function well in the early mornings. I'll try to come to any future ones. Graham 87 07:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Brooker Highway
Hello SatuSuro, I have been working on a possible "major junctions" table for the Brooker Highway article. You can find it here I'd appreciate any constructive critism or ideas in regard to this possible infobox. I think its do-able with the amount of road articles linking to it. regards Wiki ian 09:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

100
Not disruptive at all. I truly enjoy the discussion (I was going to say debate, but that would be too strong). &mdash;Moondyne 12:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oz lit
Be as disdainful as you like. I can take it. :) Actually, any suggestions about the best way to deal with it are most welcome.  I'm fairly new so I'm sure there is a wealth of knowledge out there that would be useful.  But I do think something needs to be done.  A lot of oz novel articles are not listed in the oz novel category and nearly all the ones that are there are stubs.  i think there is only 1 article about an oz writer rated as "good" and the rest are below that. xx baby_ifritah 13:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

email baby_ifritah(at)optusnet(dot)com(dot)au. baby_ifritah 04:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

not sure...
...that I know which one you mean? Orderinchaos 14:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL re wilds of the sand flat ... And yes, looks like an MSN conversation between two teenagers. No idea why it's there at all :D Orderinchaos 14:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

xxxxe
Yeah very one sided, discussion. Gnangarra 02:34, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * email on way, Gnangarra 02:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Creek
I'm not sure what you're asking. &mdash;Moondyne 03:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought it may have been that you were asking about but I looked at it and it seems fine as far as I can see. Good start. &mdash;Moondyne 03:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Project tags on medal pages
quote: Hi - on one of the medal page talk pages I recently put both the Oz military and the Oz milhist tags - I realised after that I might be over doing it - have you any clues as to whether if its already an orders project tagged article - whether the duplication is useful or not helpful? cheers SatuSuro 01:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that the Oz milhist tag is probably not all that relevant - the medal's are generally not 'historical' in themselves (although recipients of those medals may be). I would think it appropriate to put the Oz military tag on them (or at least on the appropriate military medals) PalawanOz 04:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

good next evening
hi, thnx for that will sign up, looks like my kind of thing. btw do u where can i find out indonesian names? (or ordering, was going to start diffusing cat:indo-writers, then realized i wasn't even sure where to put the comma for delsort for most of them;) ben &rArr; bsnowball  17:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * hi, mean can i just assume for cataloguing purposes that indonesian names follow european (surname last) convention, & do they do this for chinese names as well? is this explained somewhere? ben &rArr; bsnowball  15:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * aw nuts, i have to think about it? thx for that, hopefully it shouldn't be too long a list of names that i can't work out. another thing, i've made a bit of a mess of the WP:ALIT page with a 'to do' list, how do you get it to default to minimise? ben &rArr; bsnowball  16:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Aust project NA tags
I believe that I caught the rest of them for you. I also fixed all of those nasty misspellings - changed the misspelled "Austria" to the correct "Australia". (just kidding ;). SkierRMH 18:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I was speaking of the film-related ones only. I can do the rest, no problemo...  Just to confirm, it's WikiProject Australia and you're looking to put the disambig, template, category, and list all to importance of "na" -right?   —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SkierRMH (talk • contribs) 01:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Email
No, certainly not ignoring you and certainly not a bother - I'm just a bit lazy when it comes to checking/replying to emails - don't take offense :) -- Chuq (talk) 23:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Tassie
Am interesting bloke. I saw that you were the creator and half expected a note as I knew it'd be on your watchlist. No worries, but you really should thank Mr Serle. &mdash;Moondyne 15:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you mean Robert Carl Sticht? &mdash;Moondyne 15:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

project image


i did this one the other day, but i think it won't work so small..



i'll have one by tomorrow. any colour preferences? baby_ifritah 14:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Here it is [[image:Books_Australia.png|40px]] baby_ifritah 06:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * two more options..

browner

light

can recolour the books if you want. just being lazy :) xx baby_ifritah 11:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * that was my pick too! let's do it. shall we start with a sub category - oz writers, oz novels?  i'm ready to go.  feeling aimless.  baby_ifritah 12:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * cool, will leave it to you tonight and pick it up on the am. xx baby_ifritah 13:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Silly question
How can a dead body have edit conflicts? :P Orderinchaos 14:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've managed to get the bottom right box on this down to low triple digits. Next will be the stubs and starts that are unranked. Orderinchaos 06:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice talk page
It's been a long time not to go to your talk page. It's now really nice with a cool color. Good for healthy discussion. :-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 08:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehehe, I like your Indonesian message. You know, Indonesian language is even worse at id. Here's an example: wah trims ya udah gw trima pesen lu, tapi blom sempet ngebalas nih, nti aja ya. :-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 10:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, my favourite shop. I have still my shirt bought from Dagadu (is it notable here?) Yogya 8 years ago. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 10:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Nah, don't bother. We have still a lot of stub articles unreferenced. Otherwise somebody would prod it with WP:CORP weaponary. Teh botol, Indomie Mi Goreng are such an example. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 11:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Tagging project pages
Thanks, I'm sort of getting to the stage now where I'm used to using templates to do what I want, problem is I'm starting to focus more on playing around with cool wiki things instead of contributing new content to articles :)WikiTownsvillian 11:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey hey, what do you mean by tagging talk pages? Between VS and myself we have tagged all the Townsville related pages with Townsville=yes and importance ratings for the wikiproject, is that what you were referring too? I should really do some more work on Palm anyway, got some new kickarse sources for it yesterday. WikiTownsvillian 11:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks SatuSuro for the welcome
I recently retired and decided this would be a new interest. I have been researching for an article I plan to write and am nearly ready to go. Am finding it a bit hard to work out how you actually enter a whole new article - though I have some ideas I think. I do find all the pages about how to do this and how to do that a bit confusing at present, but I'm getting there. Anyhow, today I decided to edit an article as my first go at getting my feet wet. I found it quite intuitive and had a good time. I edited the article and then added the person to their year birth and death lists. Woo Hoo! it all worked. Soon I'll do my new article. I'm interested mainly in Aussie lit and films/TV ... but have other interests as well. Sterry2607 13:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick - and a question
I should be in bed but....

Well, that's great that you used to know her husband. I feel I have a lot of 'connections' to the Jolleys: my husband's name is Leonard (same as her husband), I'm (was) a librarian (same as he was), I'm a huge fan of Jane Austen and describe Elizabeth Jolley as the Australian Jane Austen, and I saw Elizabeth Jolley in person (not met her) when she came to Canberra for a literary lunch or two. She was just amazing.

Thanks re editors. I'll stand up for myself if I need to...

You know this Wiki stuff is a bit confusing. The user talk (and other) pages say to add your new talk at the bottom of the page BUT you go to the bottom of the page and there's no obvious way to add anything there. I finally - and I mean it took a while - worked out that I had to click on the + sign on the tab at the top of the page. Is there something I'm missing in the instruction? I regard myself as 'averagely' computer and internet literate. Sterry2607 13:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Literature project
I confess to not fully understanding how that stuff all hangs together and would probably only make a mess of it if I tried. Best to let cj or someone like that sort it out. &mdash;Moondyne 05:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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 * As in Fri am or Sat? Might be interesting if not useful (often I find key words/facts useful for searching purposes) Orderinchaos 09:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I wonder if they've used the right definition of the wheatbelt? :P There's some wheat-growing shires that are actually Great Southern or Mid West, and everyone seems to think Yilgarn is G-E... Orderinchaos 09:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Libraries
Thanks for the little bit of background. I worked as a student shelver at Macquarie University in term time, and in their Serials dept in the year breaks. I did my Library Studies at UNSW and then came to Canberra to the NLA in 1975. I've been in Canberra institutions ever since (except for breaks for OS postings with hubby) Sterry2607 08:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Running joke
Or a sinking one in this case. I noted your earlier comment after my edit. Anyway, it was intentional. Where is my other reply, btw. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  10:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC) An enigmatic response, not sure how to edit my iCal with that info. I hope it is anon (I don't mean unsigned?!). Regards ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions

Just a little something for all your contributions!


has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. --Dalmation 07:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

Interest?
You may or may not find this interesting Fancyfootwork 15:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Dalgaranga etc
Hopefully I'll get there one day. I've mainly been off editing general geology articles of late, but will stray back to WA topics from time to time. Send me an email if you get anything organised up on 'the plateau'. Cheers --Zamphuor 04:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Categories are different from articles
You aren't the first one to suggest this. I'd like to hear your thoughts. Perhaps at the essay's talk page? -- Kendrick7talk 05:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Australian literature is new ACOTF
Hi. You voted to support Australian literature as the new Australian collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. Thanks. Scott Davis Talk 14:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Before you ask, I'm now a confessed hypocrite. &mdash;Moondyne 14:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

SCP
Not a problem. The edit summary wasn't intended to suggest it was a mess, but rather to apologise for me jamming in the IBRA stuff without much finesse. In the medium to long term, I have my eye on this one for FA. Step One: scratch up 150 bucks for Sense of Place. Hesperian 00:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and thanks for cleaning up after last night's stub frenzy. Hesperian 02:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Australian literature
I'm not sure if its an issue with the WP Australia or something else. I have to go out now for a few hours. I'll try to look at it later on today. Cheers &mdash;Moondyne 01:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Moondyne has fixed it, but the fix might take a little while to stick. When a template is re-categorised, Wikipedia doesn't recategorise the transcluding pages instantaneously. Instead it puts that task on its asynchronous job queue, and does it when it has a bit of spare time, which could be anywhere from five minutes to a few days away, depending on how big the job is, and how long the queue is. Hesperian 02:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. As I write, Special:Statistics is saying that the job queue is 458,678 entries long. So you might have quite a while to wait before Wikipedia gets around to responding to Moondyne's fix. Hesperian 02:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, the links table. Seems to be fixed now.  &mdash;Moondyne 08:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Veterinary Medicine
Hi, you expressed an interest in WikiProject Veterinary Medicine, which I've just moved into projectspace, so feel free to watchlist and contribute over there. Thanks :) --Quiddity 06:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Got it
Hey got that one also got some pictures of the "G" class number 118 now sitting at the Kalamunda museum do you know of any article that may find a use for the image, you've got a choice you can have it with or without the Kalamunda train station in the picture. Gnangarra 14:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Narrow gauge railways
Technically any railway with a gauge less than is a narrow gauge railway, down to miniature railways. So the gauge railways of Tasmania are definitely narrow gauge. Gwernol 23:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * "Narrow gauge" is the term widely used in the literature for these railways. Railways are generally categorized into narrow gauge, standard gauge and broad gauge - see these articles for details and extensive citations that support this. The reason is there are significant technical differences between these types of railway. You can of course also refer to them by the specific gauge, but the most comprehensive and accurate terminology is to use both the gauge and the type. Gwernol 00:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

WP Maritime History
Unfortunately I don't know much about the history of maritime travel, just its state at the moment, so I wouldn't be much use. JRG 01:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Mangkunegaran
When I was small, I used to go to the Mangkunegaran palace. Waiting for my grandpa who was working there in a koperasi. Nice start for that article. I believe it won't be speedied. It's so notable and there must be a lot of sources. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 07:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Trains project participants list
I don't see any problem with doing an alpha sort there. As far as I know, nobody has expressed a strong opinion either way, so if you've got the time, I'd say to go ahead. Slambo (Speak) 10:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Project references in articles
Hiya Satu. Self-references such as this are generally avoided in articles. Good to see Scott has fixed up the Oz lit business in the banner. Happy editing,--cj | talk 17:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Indonesia FAC
Hi Satu, the Indonesia article has been criticised by a prose guru (worst of all, it's fair criticism - GAH!). We've spent so much time tweaking the wording to get the correct meaning across - and cramming so much info into so little words. It probably does need fresh eyes, but then we get to the accuracy/prose tensions.

Have you got any suggestions for brilliant prose writers? You must have a mate? But they have to be good. Merbabu 02:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK thanks, I'd appreciate an e. or is that a g? ;) Merbabu 05:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thinking
It's a pretty tenuous link. Sounds to me like we need articles on Alex Chapman and (long overdue) flora of Western Australia. Hesperian 07:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Forgive me; I'm not comprehending you very well today.
 * I look at it this way: once I've got them all up to featured status, I might be able to justify being a tad precious about what goes into them and what doesn't. But so long as they are pathetic stubs, just about anything you add can only improve them. So go for it. Hesperian 12:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Back from break
It's good to be back. Can't even sneak in a few edits without others noticing :) I took a look at WikiProject_Australian_literature. What's wrong with it? -- Longhair\talk 09:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks as though the todo template doesn't like the == style section breaks you're using there. You might need to find a better way of presenting the information within the todo section that doesn't break. -- Longhair\talk 10:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Marjorie Barnard's dates are (1897-1987) and Flora Eldershaw's are (1897-1956). I don't believe I can add this to your (whose?) list. Dates come from Adelaide, Debra (1988) Australian women writers: A bibliographic guide, Sydney, Pandora. Funnily enough, one of my bookgroups will be discussing Marjorie Barnard's short stories next month. I'd probably be happy to work on her sometime - she published under her own name and with Flora Eldershaw under the pseudonym of M. Barnard Eldershaw. Sterry2607 11:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks SatuSuro. I tried again but clicking on the Edit results in a message saying there is no section to edit. Hmmm...c'est la vie. I shlal leave it for the present Sterry2607 12:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, will do Sterry2607 13:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I've transcluded the to-do list directly, instead of parsing it through todo, as it appears that section headings are incompatible with that template. Regards, --cj | talk 12:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Circus
I'm sure I'll be amazed and astounded by the sheer puerility of it. Hesperian 13:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Very strange. I blocked him, he requested an unblock, which was denied, then the next thing he was running around again, and my block isn't in the block log. I'm afraid the blocking mechanism is broken today. Hesperian 13:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflicts
OK - i now get that you are adding bits as you go to my talk page so I will bail out until you are finished. cheers. Merbabu 14:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

RE:Hey
Oh yeah the surf breaks completely forgot about that. Mate I reckon I would struggle to name the top 10 women in WA history (not proud of that). Hossen27 14:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Slauerhoff.jpg
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WikiProject Australian Music
Hi SatuSaro ! I had my name down for the Australian Music Project on WikiProject_Council/Proposals but removed it as am finding a lot of work with the WikiProject_Australian_literature. The Music Project seemed quiet at the moment but maybe later on i can rejoin it. I would like to focus on Australian Music mainly for the 70's, so let me know in the future if anything happens, if you can. Boylo 03:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hobart/Tas
Yeah, a lot of articles (oddly enough many nowhere near hobart) tagged as WP Hobart (although displaying correctly), so I thought I'd get them all into Tasmania=yes. I haven't even looked at Victoria yet. :P Orderinchaos 07:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I remember :) I think it's one of those things that needs to be done, not terribly important or a high priority as the script works for it, but just makes things easier/more efficient/more consistent. Will have to run my wikiproject idea past you by email when I have time. Orderinchaos 07:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a great way of avoiding my two 3,000 word assignments (I am actually doing them, but needed a break - there's only so much educational theorists one can take in in a short period of time, esp while sick...) Orderinchaos 07:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably. Seems someone created a multitude of articles for small Catholic hospitals in Tasmania. Orderinchaos 12:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Argh. Meanwhile have a look at Category:Seaside_resorts_in_Australia - what POV rubbish :D Orderinchaos 12:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Underpopulated categories
I assume you're referring to your discovery of last month (it could be longer, sorry, my memory fails me when I've had some time away from the wiki)? More and more of late, underpopulated categories have been defended as being "part of a hierarchical system" (take albums for example). Many of those categories contain only a few entries, some only one. I'm a supporter of categories for 6+ articles, but there's many who disagree. What to do? I don't know. If it were up to me, I'd delete the lot. -- Longhair\talk 09:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the question that needs to be asked of underpopulated categories is "is there room for this category to expand?". A category like Category:Cinema chains in Australia isn't likely to expand for a while, if ever, whereas Category:Australian nurses just had the popcat tag removed, as it now holds 9 articles. Some are simply cases of overcategorisation for the sake of it. -- Longhair\talk 10:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Western Mail
Hey looks interesting, I had an image laying around so have added it to the article. Gnangarra 16:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea and good start. I wikified it a bit after an edit conflict.  Cheers. &mdash;Moondyne 06:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1980 version was launched by Robert H á C and Bell Group. &mdash;Moondyne 10:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

tagging ozlit
hi. with the tagging oz-lit pages for the project, as there going to be pretty much all the pages in category:oz lit, is there any chance we can get a bot to go thru & add the tag to all of those pages? ben  &rArr; bsnowball  15:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

RE: Ant/arctic
Hello -- I hope you're well. I have been away, but I'm now able to edit a bit more. Thanks for weighing in at Talk:Antarctica (?); while I disagree with the consensus, for the short-term, I will relent from including notations of the global ocean in the introduction of Antarctica, but reserve the right to again challenge this and will nonetheless proceed to balance content in the oceanic articles. Thanks! Quizatz Haderach 00:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi there -- great! I'll take a peek.  Quizatz Haderach 01:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes: continents and oceans go hand in hand, no? That removal of maps from Asia, despite the reasons, seems more to further a viewpoint at the expense of a pretty prevalent one.   I didn't understand your last comment, though.  However, I think I'll focus more on issues of hydrography, as they seem to be less contraversial. ;) Quizatz Haderach 15:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I get it -- and now, I must depart. TTYL! Quizatz Haderach 04:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

xxxx in Australia
What specifically were you thinking of? There is already Category:Years in Australia and under that (say) Category:19th century in Australia. I'd be reluctant to go any further. &mdash;Moondyne 03:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC) See also Australian Wikipedians' notice board/18xx in Australia. &mdash;Moondyne 03:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sesq
It's fine. No need to disambiguate unless we have to. I moved it and have left the redirect in place just in case. &mdash;Moondyne 04:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC) I would not have a clue if anything is missing. &mdash;Moondyne 04:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We need an art on UWA Press. &mdash;Moondyne 04:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC) Mainly becoz of a reasonable number of inbound links to a redlink.  &mdash;Moondyne 05:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Hort
Sorry for lack of response to your last; I'll have a look, although I imagine by now others have ironed out any bugs. Any idea if Fred and Jean Hort are notable enough for an article? Hesperian 04:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't make it easier for anyone. It just imposes consistency. Hesperian 04:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Australian Horror Writers Association
Thats just a empty link for the ' To Do ' articles, like the others above it in redlink. I have pasted a reference to a external link for it on its discussion tab. Its just for articles i find to be done at a later time. Let me know if it needs to be done differently as unsure on listing ' To Do ' articles. Boylo 05:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries i have now blanked those talk pages for those 2 articles i had up Boylo 05:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright i shall work on doing stubs for those 2 Boylo 05:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I managed to get one stub thru, but the other kept being deleted within seconds of being posted with this message :(CSD A7)content was: 'David Conyers is an Australian based author, residing in Adelaide, of science fiction and da) maybe because i failed with correct information needed, but his work wasnt going to published till later in year Boylo 02:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

G'day - and thanks
Thanks for the thought, SatuSuro. Yep, I'm back - I wasn't really away, just very busy. I'll have very limited time for editing after the next few weeks - new job. But I like to chip in when I can. Best regards, Callophylla 12:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding warnings to IPs
Hi, I saw this, unfortunately, the user may not be getting the warnings because of a problem with the messaging system. See Wikipedia_talk:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism & Category:Wikipedians_who_are_terribly_frustrated_about_Bug_ID_9213 for more info. Thanks. -- Hdt83 Chat 04:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Worst
Thanks. I'd still like to see it redone from top to bottom or expanded considerably at some stage, but hopefully its balanced now. &mdash;Moondyne 07:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "I could not give a fat rat's arse" ;) &mdash;Moondyne 08:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Paul Armstrong. &mdash;Moondyne 08:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Fastest edit counter in town
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/query.php?what=contribcounter&titles=User:Moondyne &mdash;Moondyne 09:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Culture
Thanks for the welcome ... i was personally stunned at how mixed up and tangled many of the categories are, and how few of the Western Australian cultural events and organisations actually have articles, and many of the ones that do are in the wrong cats (not even relating to Western Australia) or are for WA but in the Perth one despite not being specific to Perth, like for example, almost no Perth band would actually fit in a Perth category as they spend so much time touring the regions. i am sorry if i offended any sensibilities! Zivko85 09:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

That is cool... It's organisations like Artrage and FORM, the Perth Pride Parade, Kulcha, the stubbish nature of Perth Internatioanl Arts Festival, and the lack of coordination of WA music, festival and events in the category system that was one of the major reasons I finally signed up an account. Zivko85 09:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that! I've now been able to do a few. quick question for you - any idea how to get some articles merged? I know there's a voting process to *delete* articles but I've never seen one for merging them. Zivko85 10:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * All sub-articles of Lash (band), there doesn't seem to be any real need for them to have separate articles (one album and I think three singles of a band that broke up after releasing the aforesaid) Zivko85 11:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I'm not sure the Rosemount or Amplifier Bar will (or should) have articles either. Is there one on Belvoir Amphitheatre? Zivko85 11:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Krakatoa
Hi, thanks for the reply. I've got to go out for a few hours now as well so I'll look into it a bit more later tonight. I'm actually meeting with a lecturer in thermodynamics and compressible flow this afternoon so I'll also see what he thinks too. My supervisor in the subject also agreed that it's unlikely however did note that if there was such a shockwave that went round 7 times, 6.5 days could be about right as a time scale.Andrew.Ainsworth 12:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Headings on Disambiguation page
Hi SatuSuro. How do you get a heading changed? There is a Disambiguation Page for Tom Kruse. I'd like to create at least a stub for one of them. He is described as Tom Kruse (bushman) but I believe he is better known as a mailman (eg I have a biography called 'The mailman of the Birdsville Track') and so I think that would be better as the qualifier. Is it only administrators who can fix headings like this? Sterry2607 12:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Doh! I see now. Silly me. Anyhow, thanks very much...I'm getting there. I will do at least a Stub on him in the next few days. He had already been set up as a link (is that what you call it when you link to no article?) from another article and then yesterday I linked him from one of mine. BTW, how do people go about getting photos for their subjects eg biographies for living people or those just died. I've found a couple on the web but they are under copyright. Sterry2607 22:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Email
I have sent you an email following up on our previous discussions PalawanOz 13:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Ghost towns
I surprised Menzies is there. It was a while ago now but when I last went through, it was admittedly tiny (a pub), but hardly dead. Maybe the nickel boom has given it a kick along. &mdash;Moondyne 15:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And definitely not Cue. I don't like Barry McGowan's list much. &mdash;Moondyne 15:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Trouble is once you see a list like that with so many obvious errors it casts doubt on all the information. I'd add ora banda and broad arrow as dubious as well. Gnangarra 16:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Help - something's broken
Hi SatuSuro, I was updating this page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaacs%2C_Australian_Capital_Territory - and when I saved it, it hasn't saved the end of the document - the References heading which I added and the See also which was there before. I'm guessing it's a formatting thing but can't work it out. Any ideas? Sterry2607 04:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Allow me... fixed. You forgot to close your ref tag. Hesperian 04:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Templates
Feel free to pinch mine... A template should look exactly like the text it's replacing, except for the fact it has variables or conditionals (i.e. if this then display this, else display that). Variables are always in triple curly brackets. Two types of variables:
 * Unnamed - eg or  . Sometimes the simplest is in fact the best. For example to use the LandInfo template in a page you'd simply put  - thinking "landinfo, metro, letter A, date checked". (If you look in the source for LandInfo WA you'll see it has two conditionals as well - one to allow for the fact the URL for towns/suburbs starting "A" is a generic one, and the other to switch between metropolitan and country in the URLs)
 * Named - eg or  . Especially useful for more complicated templates, or where there's a risk of ambiguity. If you were using this template then where it's needed in the text you'd use:

I learned by copying others to start with, it's not a bad way to learn :) Obviously works best with the simple ones - don't start with something like Infobox Australian Place for example, with about 25 variables and tonnes of conditionals - even I don't completely understand how it works (I do about 70%). Documentation for the conditionals is at ParserFunctions but it's not something you need to know much about. Orderinchaos 12:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth Jolley
Thanks for the heads up on how things can work at Wikipedia - I'm learning - however I think that in the Jolley case the para removed wasn't mine. I think it might have been there for awhile. Didn't look unnecessary to me but I wouldn't die in a ditch over it ... I can see how one's ego can get hurt here though! Sterry2607 13:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

re: gmail
I saw you on Gtalk, went to talk, and missed you! Oh well, waiting for your e-mail :) Riana ⁂  14:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

re: Newtown article
Hi SatuSuro

In repsonse to your message about the Newtown article - glad to see someone's taking an interest. I'm happy to discuss the changes and welcome any suggestions/advice. However, I hoped that you might have noticed that I've been going through adding numerous citations to this article today. I think the whole thing still needs major revision and reorganisation and would welcome your input. I'm going to add a message on the discussion page shortly.

BTW, re: residency, I've lived in the Newtown/Camperdown area since 1984 and also have many family connections to the area dating back to the mid-1800s.

Dunks 04:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Newtown again
Hi Satu - OK think I see what you mean now. To be honest I haven't even looked at many other articles about Sydney suburbs (to my shame!). I will check out some of the other pages and I agree that we undoubtedly need more work on the many stubs.

E.g. I work in Ashfield and have a good deal of info about it, and I grew up in Toongabbie, which has a LONG European history dating back to 1789, and I want to address that too ... but I only have one life, two hands, and no internet at home, so bear with me :) However I do think Newtown deserves a sizeable feature, because it is unique both in Sydney and Australia, for dozens of reasons.

Definitions are a bit tricky, I agree -- Eveleigh and Darlington are good cases in point. Eveleigh was a "suburb" long ago, and one could argue that a discussion of the rail workshops area could just as feasibly be placed under Redfern (or Waterloo, or Alexandria) so that has to be thrashed out. Likewise Darlington -- it used to be a suburb, but since almost all of it has now been swallowed up by Sydney Uni, it becomes problematical. I haven't looked at the Glebe article, but the same sort of questions undoubtedly apply to Glebe /Forest Lodge. Anyway it's great to get some input on this and look fwd to working with you. If you have any pics from the 70s PLEASE scan 'em and load 'em up! Cheers!

Dunks 04:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Norm
Know anything about Norm Moyle? Is he notable enough to merit a redlink? Hesperian 11:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * DW,WA or another one? Orderinchaos 14:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I know of him because collected a lot of plants specimens in his travels. When I asked Henrietta what she knew of him, she threw up an obituary describing him as a "railway man and native plant specialist". The "railway man" bit made me think you might know a bit. Hesperian 01:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't go digging on my account. I don't intend to create an article on him. I was just curious whether he should be linked from Banksia wonganensis. Hesperian 02:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well done on Juniper. So many notable people, so little time.... Hesperian 05:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Go-Set
Groovy - its probably quite valuable. I know I had a stack of them at one stage but they got chucked out long ago. I had this idea last night for a new Go-Set article and had written a couple of hundred words this morning after (incorrectly) checking that the article didn't already exist. And then thisarvo I found it with a hyphen in the name (and to make it worse, its been there for yonks!). A couple of hours wasted - GRRR. What's there now is a blatant copyvio from the milesago website so I'll try and bash it around a bit over the next few days. Memories! &mdash;Moondyne 15:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I cannot remember Digger, but do recall Gas quite well. (I hope no-one reads this in case they think we're old farts) &mdash;Moondyne 15:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

DOT Report on NSTS
Hey, just noticed that you added a further reading reference into the NSTS article, and it's a report which has not come up in any of my research or enquiries to date. Do you have a copy of this report or know where I might be able to find one? Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 15:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well son of a holy bitch. This item isn't on my master MARC export from the LISWA Catalogue when I started this research, nor did I crop up when I killed the Battye staff with an arseload of stack retrievals. It wasn't even listed as awaiting cataloguing. Will be recalling this on my next visit. Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Line maps
Everything you need is here. A word of warning, if you do use the design software for larger lines (30+ sequences), then I strongly suggest you break it down into smaller pieces and then build it as you go (like you'll see i've done for Midland). Looking at my code should also give you a good idea how it works if you wanted to be a mad mad man and hand-code it all. Thewinchester (talk) 06:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

RE : Problems at scotch
Would you care to elaborate as to why?

Thanks
I will try to remember to sign

But you forgot on my talk page (lol)

Thankyou

Scoreed 06:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

NT mining articles
If you're in the mood to review some mining articles, any of the following could do with some expert attention (I don't recall exactly what I once asked you to check out):
 * Rum Jungle, Northern Territory - confused
 * Compass Resources - this might have been what I asked for help on - look at the talk page - lots of negative and misleading stuff at one stage
 * Ranger Uranium Mine - safety and tailings references are 15, 30 and 10 years old, claiming the unsafe storage of radioactive tailings in a pit that used to be full of Uranium? Generally negative tone in lower part of article, suggesting remediation provisions are insufficient.

Also:
 * Energy Resources of Australia (short, no other problems currently)
 * Jabiluka

Does that give you something to read and think about? --Scott Davis Talk 07:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

And thus the stone tablets did come down the mountain...
and Moses read from the plates, commanding that Wikicitizens sign their freaking talk page posts! Sorry, i've been cracking biblicial jokes left right and centre, so I thought one or two more wouldn't hurt. It was more than food, but part of my constant battle to keep Companies of Australia clean, chipping away a few more each day. It's nightmare light, and some of the morons who keep swapping back categories because they have a total lack of understanding regarding category nesting. But yes, enjoy activating those talk pages :) Thewinchester (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Willdo
Just passing through myself. &mdash;Moondyne 16:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Fish
Consider yourself reassured. ;-) Hesperian 23:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Fish cat/cat fish
Re your comments, I'm not sure what they're about. Could you refresh my memory please. Thanks. GrahamBould 07:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I'm with you. Yes, I have done a lot for NZ articles, including sorting the Cats & making new, more specific ones. I hope someone will do the same for Australia - the structure could be copied from NZ. GrahamBould 07:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Go-Set
I am trying to add this to the Go-Set page:

Go-Set national charts began publication on 5th October 1966. Although Go-Set began publication on 2nd February 1966, individual state charts were published weekly before October. In effect, Go-Set's chart was the first Australian national chart published in Australia.

Go-Set
Greetings from Sydney to Perth. I am very sorry - something is playing up in my browser, which is why this happened. Please reinstate that which dissapeared. Original message below:

I am trying to add this to the Go-Set page:

Go-Set national charts began publication on 5th October 1966. Although Go-Set began publication on 2nd February 1966, individual state charts were published weekly before October. In effect, Go-Set's chart was the first Australian national chart published in Australia.

i do not know what happened, suddenly info dissapeared. I am very sorry if you think I am a Wiki-vandal! I wrote quite a lot of this article and also designed the Go-Set charts website, as Moondyne and Ss112 will attest to. it's on my user profile. I was also going to add links to sources that source some of the info on the site. Rusty201 07:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add this from my website (written by Jeffrey Turnbull) as a source link for info on the page:

http://www.poparchives.com.au/gosetcharts/whatwas.html

I also would like to add the following to the charts section:

Go-Set began publishing Australia's first album chart on 23 May 1970

Please do place the charts info wherever you feel its is appropriate. Would you like me to try and work out how to revert to the previous version with the chart below? Again, I am sorry. My computer must be getting old! I rebooted it after the mishap. Also part of what I wanted to add had also dissapeared.

I was also wondering if a link should be put on the little charts table that was at the bottom of the Go-Set page which featured the Go-Set charts to the Go-Set charts website: http://www.poparchives.com.au/gosetcharts/index.html

Or if a new wikipedia page was warranted for the Go-Set charts. Rusty201 08:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Quick quiz
What was the name of the American-style hamburger bar at the bottom of Kings Park about where the Mount Hospital now is? It had lots of silly signs plastered all over it and must have closed in about the late 70s. (this has nothing to do with Wikipedia BTW) &mdash;Moondyne 13:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Bernies! - you beauty. It's been driving me insane.  Not a quiz night, just a discussion with workmates today.  Thanks.  &mdash;Moondyne 14:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

==== Agree. Is Peter a relation? &mdash;Moondyne 14:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou
Thanks SatuSuro for notifying me about the Perth Youth Theatre page and the tips.

Stubs
Hey SatuSuro, when your got time can you show me the best way to do those self protected stubs. It still has me stumped. Boylo 12:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You should be able to email me now. I had left for before you messaged me last night. I bet it is cold up in those hills, no wonder you need the fire 09:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

History of Aus
I've semi protected the article for 48 hours that'll discourage the editor, I dont think its intentional think mayby he's translating to another wiki and getting confused. Gnangarra 14:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Indonesia-geo-stub split
Hi - sorry I didn't mention on the noticeboard. I thought that the split would be clear, but I'll try to explain stubsorting's rationale. I created templates for each province by name (and with the letters N, S, E, W, or C for north, south, east, west, and central in front for some) because in the past when we've done regional splits, it's just made us more work in the future. Whether or not they're 65, we've been creating them and merging them with bigger categories so that when they hit 65, we can just change the category in the stub template and avoid having to go back to every article to change the stub itself.

Because of that, I grouped the different provinces into categories by island or region as set forth in the Indonesian provinces template. This was done because the Indonesia-geo-stubs were nearing 1,000 in the main category. What I asked Grutness about was how the last two templates - for West Papua and Papua - might overlap with Papua New Guinea's provincial names (how it might create conflict with future stub templates). Now that I've checked up on that, I plan to create two more templates - WPapua-geo-stub and Papua-geo-stub. Next, I'll create a category for Maluku and Papua geography stubs. Sound okay? Aelfthrytha 03:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Already followed your link to the noticeboard and posted what I wrote to you onto the messageboard. Aelfthrytha 03:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Would you like me to get a full list up on the noticeboard of all templates created? Aelfthrytha 03:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll get on it as soon as I finish creating the last two new templates - actually, it'd be helpful because then I could have (hopefully) assistance in sorting the stubs out. Aelfthrytha 03:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Give me a minute to look it up. If you like, though, you could send him over to my userpage with any questions or concerns. I'm happy to communicate about it. Aelfthrytha 03:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/March_2007#Split_of_.7B.7BIndonesia-geo-stub.7D.7D

Aelfthrytha 03:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't quite understand your last point. Could you try to explain again? Also, could we pick one place - the message board, your talk page, my talk page, so we can keep the discussion all together? Aelfthrytha 04:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Replied to you on project page. Aelfthrytha 04:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Last comment for now - the reason for this split is to make it easier for editors to find articles. When Indonesia-geo-stub was small, things could be found easily. When it gets to 1,000 articles, it becomes very difficult for any editor to find somehing related to what they know about or want to write about. By splitting this way, editors can find articles about their area of knowledge much faster and in a logical fashion rather than dealing with a category of 1,000 + unsorted articles. That's why stub sorting exists. Aelfthrytha 05:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, it all worked out in the end. I asked on the noticeboard if it's okay to resume - could you answer? Aelfthrytha 03:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I was about ready to give up in disgust at not understanding what it was that was being asked for, but I've generally found that when the disgust level gets that high, it's better to shut down the computer and go putter around in the garden or for a run until my disgust meter goes down to an acceptable level, if you know what I mean. I'll get on it, but in the interim I've started clearing out the whole bank-stub category. That should take an hour or five. Aelfthrytha 03:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The AfD of death
I just can't escape them, it's like a massive vortex which keeps sucking me back in to them. And yes, I knew it was a joke - but that Victorian school inclusionist tried to make a mountain out of a molehill, so I just couldn't resist smacking him back to the stone age over AGF. Thewinchester (talk) 03:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I delete things that are rubbish, why should I have to explain the deletion of additions to an article that are rubbish. Additions that are rubbish are vandalism: deleting rubbish is improving an article. You don't know anything about the subject, so butt out.

Indonesia-geo-stubs
Hi SS - glad my explanation was appreciated. I've added further, along with a suggestion as to what to do from here, at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals. Grutness...wha?  06:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for welcome
Hi SatuSuro and thanks for your welcome just now (I was previously anonymous 165.69.2.249). I noticed somewhere that you are ex-West Coast Tas. Me too, although I haven't traveled as far as you :-). Cheers, Journo70 08:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Tibetan Buddism
You mean, at the anon's talk page? Nah, that's fine. Want me to keep an eye out? Cheers, Riana ⁂  08:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Australian Living Treasures
Hi. All my edits relate to the people on the list above. Not sure what your concern about the WA ones is, as I've had nothing to do with them. Cheers JackofOz 08:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Opinions - please
Little Creatures (brewery) they do make a nice ale but are the awards enough for notability Gnangarra 12:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Assessment advice - and another question
Thanks SatuSuro helping answer my question. Another question that I've also asked Gnangarra- is there an easy way to find all that behind-the-scenes Wiki stuff. I tend to find things by poking around but if I want to find something again I've to to try to remember how I got to it the previous time. Sterry2607 00:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, so if somebody, for example, adds quite a bit of text to an entry called 'Planet Earth', explaining why it is that the Earth is flat, I should not delete this, but spend lots of time engaging them in reasoned debate on the Talk page about why the Earth is not flat?

Roaring Forties et al
I got talking about the Roaring Forties earlier today, and knew there were others. I didn't check the article history and had no idea you'd created them until you spoke up. Good one. :) -- Longhair\talk 04:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

WA tag
I'm sure Eremophila laannii is very happy to be part of that esteemed project, especially as he does not qualify to join the big bad banksia men :) --Melburnian 10:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

AWB
nothing like the smell of controlled burning jarrah as the evening decends into darkness and dew settles on the ground. Presume you have something to warm insides as well. Gnangarra 12:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Jarrah
You mean a separate page on the timber, as distinct from the species? That would be brilliant! Colour, strength, density, texture, durability, water resistance, termite resistance, burning qualities, uses (current and historic), harvesting methods, economics.... But you would probably have to start it in the Eucalyptus marginata page, let it get really long, and then roll it out into a separate article. If you started it off as a separate article, some busybody would surely come along and merge it. Hesperian 12:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No I wouldnt, honest 8), I got some nice picts of the polished jarrah floors. Gnangarra 12:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * also a freind needs some help replacing weather borads tomorrow so will get a couple of picts of structural house timber if you want. Gnangarra 12:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply
got your message. WP I, hmmm I've to coup d'etat Jimbo for this. ;-) I'll see Jakarta, but you know I have terrible time for WP. I can peek one or two watchlists and then logout. I still owe something to a copyeditor of Toraja that I'ven't replied him yet. :( Hey, congrats for Indonesia. The best of our project. See ya later. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Indonesia on FA
Haha, he's got two of them. Anyway did you hear about the Sutiyoso incident? Pretty amazing.  Imo eng  14:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, pretty weird. Hey, I need to go now, I'm having exams starting on Monday, and I need many people to wish me luck, hehe, would you do so? :P. Okay see ya around.  Imo eng  14:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Frankly I can't understand your last message, hehe. I just understand the words in the brackets, but that is all. Can you, hmm, re-language it?  Imo eng  14:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahahaha, oh yeah not I got it. Thanks again, I appreciate it. Take care yourself, have a good night.  Imo eng  14:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the barnstar - I'm glad to know everybody's happy. Back to work - no rest for the wicked. Aelfthrytha 01:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's done like dinner. Check up, and let me know if you've got questions. Aelfthrytha 03:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Fake -- moves
Suggest you guys look at his edits and see if there are any other problems, looking at contribs I note that there are some edits that were date changes. Just drop a note if need help Gnangarra 11:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * , you'll need to scroll for this one, -- Merbabu 11:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * another Merbabu 11:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Fahan School

 * Hi SatuSuro - your posts on this topic (at my talk page) made me chuckle - but they usually do. Actually my prod was not my first by a long shot - and it had nothing to do with notability - it wasn't even titled notability.  Schools are of course notable!  My post was for verifiability - hence the references tag to complete the daily double. Have a look here... Make sense?  Question still arises therefore whether all of the middle part under timeline is verified?  I would say not - what are your views - or are you okay for me to go in and just remove the whole section?-- VS  talk 13:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're a crazy mad bugger SatuSuro - and I like you a lot. I take it in amongst all of that return that you are in support...-- VS  talk 09:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Talkage
For an editor that makes just as many mainspace edits as they do talk page edits, who am I to disagree? :) Keep it up. Communication is king - I like to think one can never over-communicate... :) -- Longhair\talk 13:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Edits - Alan Bond
Can I confirm these edits are not from copyrighted sources nor am I a PR agency. I am just someone with an interest.

The information below is factual

Bond Holdings got its start in the 1950s when Alan Bond dropped out of high school.

In 1957, after a stint as an apprentice sign painter, he took out a loan, mostly from the wealthy father of his wife to be, to start his own property development business.

Within two years, Bond, at the age of 21, had become a millionaire.

In that year, 1959, Bond formed the Progress Development Organisation.

In 1969 Bond incorporated his various holdings as West Australia Land Holdings, Limited, with headquarters in Perth.

In 1974 Bond changed the name of his company to Bond Corporation Holdings.

In the following year, risky borrowing to finance acquisitions brought Bond to the brink of financial ruin. His first run with bankruptcy was averted only when the ANZ Bank allowed him sufficient time to restructure his debt, some $73 million.

In September 1990 Alan Bond resigned as chairman and director of Bond Corporation Holdings Ltd, along with two other directors, Tony Oates and Peter Mitchell, who had also resigned as senior executives.

Peter Lucas was appointed chairman.

Despite Alan Bond (Along with Oates Mitchell) no longer playing a further role in the company in the direct management sense., he was still a controlling interest in the Bond Corporation through his private company, Dallhold Investments.

Shortly afterwards, the Australian Federal Police claimed they had traced millions of dollars to offshore trusts and bank accounts in Jersey and Switzer-land.

Bond claimed brain damage and memory loss when examined in the Australian Federal Court about these offshore assets.

In 1997, Alan Bond was sentenced to four years jail after he pleaded guilty to defrauding Bell Resources Bell Group. of $1.2 billion.

The Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions appealed that sentence and the West Australian Court of Appeal increased it to seven years.

But the sentence was reduced when the High Court ruled that the Commonwealth was unable to appeal on a sentence on a State law - that is it should have been lodged by the Western Australian Government, because Alan Bond had broken State law.

Bond Corp executive Peter Mitchell received four years' jail for making improper use of his position as a company officer. He voluntarily flew from his home in Colorado to face the charges.

Mitchell was released on parole after serving 16 months of his sentence.

In July 2005, after almost 10 years in two countries and numerous courtrooms Tony Oates also admitted his guilt, pleading guilty to three of the 15 charges facing him - accusations that he made improper use of his position as an officer of Bell Resources in order to gain an advantage for Bond Corporation to the tune of $500 million.

Alongside Bond and Mitchell, Oates had a big hand in all the group's major decisions including, the setting up of the "back-to-back" loans which used friendly boutique banks as middle-men to allow the cash-strapped Bond Corp to access assets.

The London based Money Centre, Alan Bond's first venture since his release from prison, soon followed its predecessors into liquidation.

The Money Centre was a UK based loan business modelled on Mr Bond's Australian payday loan company Cheque Exchange. Alan Bond had consistently claimed he's only a consultant of the company, not a director.

The business was originally chaired by his former stockbroker, Robert Quinn who helped pay his legal fees while he was bankrupt.

John Saunders is also on the board and the company's finances are managed by former Bond Corp company secretary, Graeme Baker.

As of June 2007 it was reported that Alan Bond, now London-based, is set to make up to £400m from the launch of an African oil venture, Madagascar Oil, but of course it is not without controversy.

The company, which owns huge oil-shale leases in Madagascar, is likely to be floated on the Toronto Stock Exchange next year.

This is in addition to the £60m from a diamond mine in Africa - but is locked in a bitter battle over the company that owns it which is the Gibraltar-based Lesotho Diamond Corporation of which Bond controls 48% of the company through offshore trusts.

It is reported he has fallen out with almost all the other shareholders included some of his close friends who bankrolled him when he came out of jail in 2000.

Several dissident shareholders in Lesotho Diamonds recently pledged their share in the company to Rob Still, the South African mining entrepreneur who runs Pangea Diamond Fields.

Among those to desert Bond are two fellow Australian expatriates, Lindsay Sanford and Greg Kennedy, who have been in to trouble with the law when they ran World Games which the Australian courts declared in 2004 to be an illegal pyramid scheme.

They left Australia before the ruling.

One of the few still supporting Bond is Robert Nelson, a Perth tax-scheme promoter who left Australia in 1983 after he was bankrupted by the Australian Taxation Office.

Up until 2005 Bond’s criminal record prevented him being a director of any Australian company.

He kept a low profile in London, claiming to be just a consultant to Lesotho Diamonds (on a fee of £150,000 a year).

It has been reported that Bonds shares are owned by an offshore trust, originally held in a Guernsey company called Miramas Services.

They were recently transferred to Ultimo Assets, whose domicile is unknown.

The shareholder register lists his agent as the Regent Trust Company in Geneva.

High?
I'd always understood that your neck of the woods, or perhaps Bridgetown/Manjimup (where the magic mushrooms grow) would be able to make a good claim. &mdash;Moondyne 13:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

High (second attempt)
According to this the highest "locality" in WA is Schwerin Pass at 934m. According to this, The highest "town" is Tom Price at 726m. (very slow server). &mdash;Moondyne 13:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not. &mdash;Moondyne 13:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

It's 10pm man...
And my brain just ain't up for riddles, considering i've quadrupled the size of the NSTS article. For the benfit of those who should be in bed, "what you talkin' about lewis?" Thewinchester (talk) 14:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Strike that, already figured it out. Thewinchester (talk) 14:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Vet med article assessments
That's great if you want to start doing assessments. However, I don't know how to alter the template to allow it. Shouldn't be too hard though, just steal the wikicode form someone else's template. The categories can be found at the category tree at the bottom of the WP:VET page, and I just finished the article list, at WikiProject Veterinary medicine/Articles. All of those are tagged with the project template, except for the last page under miscellaneous. Could you give me your opinion on whether all of those should be tagged, also? They mainly include veterinary drugs, schools and veterinarians. --Joelmills 14:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the template to add all the articles to the Category:WikiProject Veterinary medicine articles. This would be useful to separate them out and make it easier to compile a project article list. The NA ranking now puts those articles in the Category:Non-article Veterinary medicine pages. It should work now. If it doesn't, let me know and I'll see what I can do. John Carter 00:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, I understand about the assessments (I think), but is Category:WikiProject Veterinary medicine articles supposed to contain all the articles tagged as being part of this wikiproject? Right now it just seem to hold the ones tagged as NA. I'm guessing that it is because all of the tagged articles would be in Category:Unassessed Veterinary medicine articles, but that only holds 78 articles, when I know at least several hundred are tagged, and nearly all of those are unassessed. It's probably just the servers or whatever that need to catch up, but I was just curious. I see you're busy now tagging the NAs, so I'll tag the miscellaneous articles, and that should pretty much finish up the tagging. What fun. --Joelmills 00:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

A random sampling of tagged articles show that they all have picked up Carter's changes, so I think it's just a lag in the something or other that is keeping the categories from being populated. I remember when we changed the stub types, it took a few hours for the categories to be populated. So let's give it a day and then check it. Just out of curiosity, are we rating importance too? Because that would necessitate another change to the template. Personally, I don't care if we do or don't, because having good articles on obscure topics is half the fun. --Joelmills 00:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

watercourses
It did seem like a strange one. That link has been red for ages. Finally someone turns it blue, and immediately an anon comes along and dis ambiguates it. Bizarre. Hesperian 00:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Fortunately I had some two hundred year old reading to tide me over while the 'pedia was down. Its nice I know I can work on Wikipedia even when Wikipedia isn't. ;-) Hesperian 01:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Veterinary medicine
Let me get this clear before I edit anything. You're thinking there's a bug within WikiProject Veterinary medicine causing tagged articles to be categorised incorrectly? -- Longhair\talk 03:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look and correct anything untoward that I find. -- Longhair\talk 04:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right - every instance of tagging with the template feeds into Category:WikiProject Veterinary medicine articles. I'll see what changes I can make to avoid those tagged NA from landing there. -- Longhair\talk 04:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Have a fiddle, using   on a test article (in your own personal sandbox would be a good place to try this) to see how the changes to the new template behave. I've been testing the results at User:Longhair/VMtest/1test; feel free to test using that page if you like. I'll be back online a little later to respond further to this problem. Real work calls for now. Speak soon. -- Longhair\talk 04:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It was actually kind of intentional that all the articles be placed individually in the Category:WikiProject Veterinary medicine articles. Many projects like to assemble an article list which can then be monitored for recent changes. By placing all the articles tagged with the banner in that category individually, all one has to do to assemble an article list is cut and paste the contents of that category. That's a lot easier than trying to assemble the list from disparate categories. However, if you do want to change that, let me know and I'll change it however you want. John Carter 13:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * A centralized list makes sense, but is Category:WikiProject Veterinary medicine articles supposed to contain all the tagged articles? Right now it's only showing about 110.  My rough count from the article list I made that's organized by branch of medicine, WikiProject Veterinary medicine/Articles, is about 450 tagged articles.  Oddly, when I counted the "what links here" to the actual project template, I came up with about 500, including categories.  However, as I mentioned above, I assume it's just server lag.  --Joelmills 14:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Misuse
I'm guilty of abusing the edit comment box as place for private messages to everwatchful wikimedians. Thanks for the compliment, complete accident really. I was fooling around with leaving off the closing tags. I will digest your links a little later, thanks for keeping me apprised. I've thought about that a bit, been meaning to send you (and him) something on that subject. Best regards, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  15:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Centralized discussion on centralized lists
I copied the message I had just left you over to the project talk page, so hopefully we can get everyone on the same page. It looks like we are approaching this from three different directions, but we all have the same goal in mind: a list that is easy to access. If there are a few NA's in the mix, it probably won't hurt anything. The list I originally made is too complicated for a simple look at what needs to be assessed, but I think it's helpful for seeing what is out there for different branches of medicine, what species those articles cover and need to cover, and what articles are missing. So I suggest having the centralized list that Carter proposed as the main article list, and have my attempt at organization as a place for article requests and such. I'm also posting this to the project talk page. --Joelmills 15:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I don't know what hell I'm doing, since I've never really worked extensively on a wikiproject. I appreciate all the suggestions you have made.  What I don't understand is why it matters if the NA's are in the main article category (although I agree they don't need to be).  If we're copying and pasting the category contents into an article list for assessment purposes, as Carter suggested, the NA's can be manually weeded out.  --Joelmills 15:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Australian music
You previously indicated an interest in this at WikiProject Council/Proposals. I've started up a new page but it needs lots of work. Come on over and join up. Regards. &mdash;Moondyne 17:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not yet. I'm sort of hoping it can be integrated into the WP Australia template, much like AMH is. &mdash;Moondyne 14:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

ello ello ello
Whats this then - is the babbler available in e format? Hezbolarki Fun Ship 14:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:AUSMUS tagging
We're up and running. Tagging instructions in the to-do box. &mdash;Moondyne 12:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe i should put my name on the list, even tho i am still busy with Oz Lit, as i need a change from books at times.Boylo 12:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Melano Supriatno
Could you be kind enough to provide page numbers please - having problems with the references provided. Thank you SatuSuro 13:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I might provide those later. -)-(-H- (&#124;-&#124;) -O-)-(- 13:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

specific pages refs are required - specially if there is little mention in the indexes :) SatuSuro 13:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Haggawaga - that would be good. He seems interesting. I've been working on a few Indonesian National Revolution articles (including Indonesian National Revolution and any more specific references would be useful. You seem to have done a lot of work on this article - nice one. :) I'm now working on Amir_Sjarifuddin - check it out. happy editing. Merbabu 13:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You might search on google, but I'm not sure what you'll find. I can tell you, that I took the picture of the rebel Supriata myself. It was in the summer of 1967, that I saw him in Indonesia when on a trip to land (I was a sailorman and worked with the engine of a transport-ship). Indonesia than was allready independant for over 10 years (oficially since 1949), and so he wasn't a rebel back than. He looked older han he was, around 55 years old, but you could see he lived trough tough life. He agreed with me taking a picture of him. Its not the only one; I believe, I might have some pictures of which I'm standing next to Supriata. Does that provide enough information for the moment. I am the number one specialist about him on this wikipedia, I suppose, although my knowledge of Indonesian history itself might be less great. The image itself is higly styled; I'm not sure, but maybe its oiginally in colour. Anyway, thanks for your interest, SatuSuro. -)-(-H- (&#124;-&#124;) -O-)-(- 13:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Userbox
No problemo. Creative design is not my strong point. &mdash;Moondyne 14:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The Stems
Am having a slight problem with another user BigrTex who considers that the fair use images of the various Stems anthology albums are "decorative" and therefore not allowed - do you know whether this is correct? If not how can I get him to stop removing them Dan arndt 00:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments - sometimes I need a little guidance on these things - appreciate having someone to guide me in these matters Dan arndt 01:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Assessment page
Thanks, but that was all Carter. I just kicked User:WP 1.0 bot in the butt to get it to generate the table. --Joelmills 01:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Newspapers
Maybe we should work to create a series of featured lists rather than having these non-expandable stubby entries all over Wikipedia :) There is definitely a place for local newspapers due to their importance in Australia as a lower-tier news medium. Some newspapers are independently notable - I'd say Post Newspapers have earned that status, as has the Mt Gambier one whose sheer bias and weirdness often sees it appear in more mainstream publications as the subject of articles. Orderinchaos 06:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Lists
yeah, he said it had been removed previously. Do you know what it was called, so I can see the discussion? It seems a shame as I reckon its good encyclopaedic info. Hopefully adding something more than a list of names would neutralise the opposition. &mdash;Moondyne 07:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Found it Talk:List of Western Australian musicians &mdash;Moondyne 07:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Dan arndt has preserved it in his userspace, if you look over that way - it appears to be the same list from what I can tell. I'd have no problems personally with restoring it to mainspace. Orderinchaos 07:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Pilbara newspapers
Nice is this going to be a list or will it be sectional piece on each? Gnangarra 08:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * was just wondering, either way its useful as these papers get cited as references. Gnangarra
 * I do wonder who many variants of the goldfields times there was/are. Suggest maybe Murchison region, Goldfields region. Gnangarra 08:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Decency left my page earlier today when Hesperian was talking about his little bit. Gnangarra 08:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC) thats why I archived. Gnangarra 09:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Macbeth
Double Bubble Toil and Trouble ••• No problems SatuSuro - tell you what (we may disagree about the height of the standard wiki Tassie should be set at but) - you should have the chance to vent and provide me with your balanced opinion/s at your leisure also - so why don't you just drop me a line with your thoughts via email (link is on my user page) - I check that email every couple of days and can return to you the same way. That'll allow you to say things exactly as you feel you must. Sound okay? -- VS talk 13:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice email message thanks SatuSuro. I joined WP Tas earlier today (you probably noticed?) - I spent the first bit alphabetizing the list of members and looked at the last Tas entry for each - noting that most editors are somewhat missing.  I only know one way of definitely adding interest and that is by helping the cause so I have started going through both a copy editing and assessing phase - with the view that it will get me up to speed with the strength and weaknesses of the project pretty quickly. I have already ear-marked a few pages (as detailed on the project page) for article start and/or addition once I get a few more assessments up and done (and in amongst 5 project memberships).  I will send you a message by email if I come across any real basket cases - but so far today haven't found one at all.  I appreciate you adding such supportive comments re my potential RfA (I'm a bit blown away by the comfort that I have so many wiki-friends) - (and ditto to you without a doubt). -- VS  talk 05:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah - I have noticed some of them. I will dust off my hairshirt and knee pads in preparation (but in truth such edits hardly if ever personally bother me more than to put my tongue even more firmly in the tongue in cheek mode).-- VS talk 05:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

deathmatch: student politics
Haha, indeed I'll be checking my car each time I start it, or at least get someone else to sit in it before me each time :) Seriously I don't know how much this fight is going to be worth it, but if I don't give it a go those articles will continue to annoy me. WikiTownsvillian 13:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Brighton Bypass
Hello SatuSuro, I've been editing the Brighton bypass Page quite a lot in recent weeks, and i'm now at the point where i think it should be rated a B class article, however as I've done the majority of editing on this page i dont think it would be suitable for me to rate it. Would u mind taking a look at it and re-rating it? If you dont think its quite there yet, can u please inform me of what I'm missing. In my opinion and from what I've read of what a B class article should have....i think i'm there, but wont know for sure without a good second opinion. Cheers Wiki ian 14:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC) Sorry, you misunderstand me, i was referring to the Brighton Bypass article, not the Bridgewater Bridge article. Wiki ian 13:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Dutch Australians
Any time. If Wikipedia can't manage to write a decent article on Dutch Australians, we may as well give up. I must admit I was a bit surprised a more substantial article on the topic similar to Italian Australians didn't exist already. -- Mattinbgn/talk 14:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi SatuSuro, I placed the tag on the list section of the Dutch Australian article for reasons that I left on the talk page - Talk:Dutch Australian. My point with placing the tag is that there is no evidence providing that, for instance, Jack van Tongeren, a man I would not want to be associated with, is actually of Dutch origin.  He could quite possibly be German, Belgian, Afrikaner, Sri Lankan, Indonesian/Papuan, from the Netherlands Antilles and so on.  The same applies to all the listed people.  I am happy to leave the tag off, but really, unless there is a reference somewhere that they are Dutch-Australian, the person should be removed from the list. Cheers, Mattinbgn/talk 03:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Is that right? It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. Anyway, we will need to keep an eye on the list and make sure it doesn't get out of hand. Cheers, Mattinbgn/talk 07:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your message. I'll try to cool down with the comments. It just seems like it is getting quite heated, and I'm trying to keep a level head and cool everybody else down. I didnt realise it would become such a controversial issue actually. Anonymous Dissident Utter 15:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've never actually had a controversial AFD before, but it seems my judgement here is widely disputed. Oh well, I have already expressed my feelings toward the article now; whether it stays or is deleted does not matter to me too much. Either way wouldnt particularly surprise me, its sort of on the fence if you know what I mean. Up to the admin to decide its fate now, not me. Cheers, Anonymous Dissident  Utter 15:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Indigenous Australians is the new ACOTF
Hi. You voted for Indigenous Australians which has been selected as the new Australian collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 15:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete
I have closed the afd's. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 12:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

"Closing case"
You recently posted a message on my usertalk page saying that the DY to date or something like that was a joke... Could you please clarify what you meant? Thanks. :) GrooveDog 01:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

re email
Checkuser said they were the same person. The one starting with K is a notorious sockpuppeter, blocked on the Dutch Wikipedia. Neil  ╦  16:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

DA
I had to wait a couple of days because I'd voted, but as nothing came in that would change anything and the nominator themselves suggested a keep close I did so. Orderinchaos 00:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:1000
That data is from February, Mister 423. With all your project tagging since then, I wouldn't be surprised to find you ahead of me. Actually, there's no need to guess; I'll check... nah, I'm still 6,000 ahead. You'd better hop to it! Hesperian 01:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right - it says Feb 9 at the top of the page, but May 27 further down. Hesperian 01:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a rather embarrassing little vanity: a little while ago I went back through the historical WP:WBE lists, collecting my ranking for each available date. One can do all sorts of silly things with data, if one is so inclined. For example, a logarithmic regression of ranking against time predicts that I will crack the top 100 in February next year. Hesperian 01:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL!!! BTW those are the May figures. I've risen from no.1423 to no.650 in three months. I wasn't even in the November one. :) Orderinchaos 02:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

reply
Replied to your email, thanks. Grant | Talk 12:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Didja
Thanks for prompt. Just replyed by email. Zamphuor 14:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

thx
the tagging is actually somewhat desultory :) but... re shute, yes odd. granted i now know almost infitely more about him than before i read the article, but i suspect the comparison to ayn rand is a bit over the top. not knowing, i just tagged it. ben &rArr; bsnowball  17:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Nevil Shute
Wow, you're quick. Thanks for the response. Yes, I felt that more than one ref would be needed (particularly as I got it from the Daily Telegraph) so I decided to look if he was in the ADB which he is. I've added that too. Is this sudden interest in the article related to the Gideon Haigh article published this month and the discussion about it. Did you hear Haigh interviewed this am on ABC Radio National Bookshow this am. Nevil Shute was my favourite novelist in my teens. While my friends were swooning to Georgette Heyer's historical regency romances, I preferred the real stuff - Jane Austen's regency and Nevil Shute's mid twenieth century. I read every one of his books over the years and saw On the beach, A town like Alice, No highway. Anyhow, I will do a little more this am but at this time will leave that Ayn Rand stuff alone - without citation it does look a bit to me like original research. Haigh though does say that he was a conservative, did support private enterprise (neither of these point specifically to Rand) and perhaps more close to the Ayn Rand stuff was that Haigh says he was more of a meritocrat than a democrat. Sterry2607
 * Would it be better for that Bibliography reference under Works to go under References?? Sterry2607 01:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW I didn't add the biblio. Is that what you thought?? I added the two items under refs. Sterry2607 01:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Will have a little more of a play. For some stupid reason I let all of mine go - probably when I left sydney and came to a share house - I suspect the parents divested themselves of them. I can still 'see' my little (mostly) Pan paperbacks. Must say I read 'On the beach' again a couple of years ago and was disappointed in the writing - pretty prosaic, pretty stereotyped - but a good story still. Good luck with the shelving - hope there's no mould in the collection. It's a cold day here 4.9 with a 'feels like' 2.4 on weatherzone a couple of hours ago. So g;ad I'm now retired and inside! Sterry2607 02:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

haha
Sorry, I don't get it, please explain. &mdash;Moondyne 02:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I beg to differ
Nope, Australian Poultry CRC is right up there on the weirdness level in obscure topics land. Was there on the aussie corp cleanup drive, but the spare are was created after me by an anon ip vandal, who's just been reverted. Thewinchester (talk) 03:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Tassie basket cases
Understood - there are 4 articles with Sorell inclusion. Let's keep it on the todo list.-- VS talk 11:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I won't forget. I am editing a bit along the way too - making notes of some that I will return to once I get some more of the assessing done.  As for before I have found no serious basket cases at this stage - some mini - make that minuscule - stubs but worthwhile enough at this stage. (And on the brighter side there are some very good previously unassessed articles that I have read this evening)!-- VS  talk 09:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This one might need a bit more work - what do you think?-- VS talk 11:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Just keep at it young fella - BTW I am intent on pursuing a particular Tassie article that caught my fancy tonight to GA status - it's about time we got one up there I'd suggest...?-- VS talk 12:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well (smile) I did pick up your general age in some edits you put up recently - the young fella comment was just to remind you (and me) that we are only as young as the sum of our wiki edits as posted here In other words you get younger as your number gets smaller and BTW you have dudded yourself out 1 place - should be 422 not 423 as posted I believe?-- VS talk 12:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep I will go through those four and suggest back to you - and I'd be happy to help to get which ever one you choose to GA also - with a view to helping you in your other interest in a month or two... I am off for a few days now so will get back to you on Monday with some detailed response - OK?-- VS  talk 12:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Darwin Glass
Hi its good to hear that someone is interested. Can you take a digital photo of your piece of Darwin Glass for the wikipedia? The article could do with a picture now! GB 12:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

OTRS
It was very good of you, and above and beyond the call, to stand up for me on Zscout370's talk page like that - thank you. Phaedrus86 09:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Banks
Repetitious redundancies sound like Australian banks to me :) Gnangarra 15:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

RE: Quizimodo
Hi there. Yes: I thought the username was extremely clever (I also have a back condition, but nothing nearly as severe as my namesake!) and so I decided to co-opt it from its creator (who is no longer using it). I think it's a keeper, but who knows? :)

By the way, are you interested in helping to develop an oceanography wikiproject (also see here for commentary/context)? I encourage you to sign up. Thanks! Quizimodo 22:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks very much for reverting vandalism on my userpage! :-) It's now been vandalised 13 times by those who just don't listen... Once again, many thanks.  Lra drama 15:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hehe thanks! 22,000 edits is also a sign of greatness. Well done, and keep up the good work!  Lra drama 15:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Beaufort rail accident
Since you mentioned you were interested in Victorian Rail I found this picture http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/images/12800/12800-00001-000158-120.asp its of feb 5 1910 Beaufort rail accident Gnangarra 04:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * hows this for a South Aust rail history http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/manning/sa/trans/railmisc.htm Gnangarra 06:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha...
Did you ever see this and. I remember that. Was the guy for real or just trolling? Merbabu 10:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Images needed
as i slowly trawl the nsw station stubs and others it is expected that each needs a photo? if so I will add it to the menagerie SatuSuro 13:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a page under Wikiproject Sydney (WikiProject Sydney/Railway stations/Photos) which has a list of stations in the CityRail network and whether they have a photo or not. I figured that adding the imagesneeded parameter would mean another place to promote the request for pictures. Harryboyles 13:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Sepi
yes, because my overload off-wiki space. I can edit one or two small things here, but can't guarantee as many as before. Thanks for your concern. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 11:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Tagging
Sorry, I didn't understand that. They're not being listed as not assessed? Rigadoun (talk) 00:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Karl K
No worries. enochlau (talk) 14:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

PBXII
I was just checking to see if you were paying attention. haha. &mdash;Moondyne 14:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Howdy
Howdy - sorry I haven't got back to you on your email to me. I got called away for an urgent Dentist appointment - which was a real pain in the jaw (smile). I'll respond some time this weekend which I hope will be okay for you?-- VS talk 12:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Penal colonies
I replied at Talk:List of Australian penal colonies. I don't actually see a problem with redlinks as they will hopefully encourage new articles. As for keeping it, I'll need to give it some thought. &mdash;Moondyne 13:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure. Are we talking about a list of colonies or list of penitentiaries?  Two very different things, and maybe there's a case for both. &mdash;Moondyne 13:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)  I'm signing off now.  Back tomorrow. &mdash;Moondyne 13:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Tagging...
Have you been thru these lists: and ??? --Merbabu 13:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Military of Indonesia...
80% or more of that article has been written in the last month or so with not one reference provided. All my attempts to contact the author/s have gone unacknowledged. That's why, some times the best thing to do is to remove the info on sight - I then find the references appear very quickly. :) Merbabu 01:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day Satu!
Have a good one!--Sandahl 05:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Adminship?
Hi. I don't think we've ever interracted before but I came across some of your contributions and digging a little deeper it seems to be you'd make a great administrator. You've been around more than long enough to know your way around and appear to have all the relevant experience. I've you're interested I'd be delighted to nominate you - just drop me a note. WjBscribe 16:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Ministries articles
I don't think it really matters what they're classified as - they're half-list, and half-article. In terms of referencing, I think Psephos should be sufficient - it may be Adam's site, but it's pretty widely respected, and one of the leading references in the country for this sort of information. (For the record, I'm also working on adding similar information for the NSW Parliament, and I've partially completed an earlier project to do it for the NT Parliament). Rebecca 01:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi SS - thanks for your message. I was going to respond similarly to Rebecca as I agree completely with her view - plus at the end of the day any one of us can go in an adjust a previous classification. Cheers as always (PS Great job these ongoing assessments of yours).-- VS  talk 01:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Perth Meetup Notification

 * You are invited to a meetup of Western Australian Wikipedians on the 19th August 2007 in the tearooms of Tranby House. Please sign on the Meetup/Perth/3 if you are able to attend. you recieved this message as your account has been active during May, June 2007 and your user page is listed in the Category:Wikipedians in Western Australia Gnangarra 03:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

A new hoby
This article currently under construction is my new little hobby for the next few weeks. Gnangarra 12:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Australian women writers
SatuSuro - thanks for your note. I have not heard of the book by Debra Adelaide but that is not unusual. I plan to go to the library at the weekend. This exercise is expanding my appreciation of women writers, and the list of books I haven't read yet is just getting longer. Stellar 14:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, SatuSuro, I have the Debra Adelaide book. Bought it back in 1989 and have been using it. I have just gone through it once - checking the names that I have familiarity with - not evey single name - and used it to add the category to 30-40 names. I've also used it to update a few articles and will do some more. I've cited it in several articles to date. Thanks though for referring us to it ... because it's better to be told about something you know every now and then rather than miss out on things you don't know. I also have a wonderful book by her called 'A bright and fiery troop' about Aussie women writers of the nineteenth century. I used it to do a bit of upgrading work on the Ada Cambridge article...and will gradually over coming months use it to do more. I was wondering about creating stubs for more writers from the Adelaide biblio. Is that an OK think to do? I sort of prefer articles to stubs but? Sterry2607 01:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

my userpage...
Hahaha! That's the best way of putting it I've heard in a while :) I might semiprotect if it gets much worse, but I'd prefer he stayed around this part of the wiki, and not in article namespace :/ By the way, left a note on WT:NTA - hoping folks are less busy these days, and we can sort of pick up where it left off... Cheers, Riana (talk)  07:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

re. view
I hope I have not been one of the eurotrash to which you refer. I must drop some pointers to articles that I stumbled acrossing, murky and still waters whose depths contain breathless heroes and their grendel. My tangled twine had not-ed on my labyrinthine descent, I am returning to the bright and fair shores of West Fremantle. All will be revealed when we no longer care, regards. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  08:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I ws somewhere in asia. 08:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * restored page
 * As I was about to say ... I coud put both lighthouses and their supporting pilings into a new art, so Fremantle Mo ... oh, that won't work. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  09:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I was eyeing off $300 worth of out of print books on, and in, Freo the other day. A good investment if I wasn't saving for something else. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  09:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Mine is bog standard, everthing seems stable with the fat lady singing out for the electronic scree littering our western shores. She also has that handy note and search feature off the right-click too, I only I would add to them.  I just upgraded to a wheelie nice two butt mouse I found somewhere, my first outlay since the $400 purchase.  But this is not an ad for iMacs, it is an ad for 2nd hand iMacs! Are you running IE up there - ya poor man?  Now where was I ..? ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍  contributions  09:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ratings
Thanks. Yes indeed, there is lot to do with energy topics, so you are most welcome to join the team :-) You may also to show your support by adding this tag to your user page. Beagel 09:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Semiprotection
For your userpage, for the next 3 days. Hope you don't mind. Cheers, Riana (talk)  10:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

== talking is good - how do you record multiple authors in a book reference? Stellar 13:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC) sorry, my fingers slipped. I have a way of using the {{cite book ... text, but it only works iwth one author. It puts the last name, first name, title etc.


 * I found it ...! Stellar 13:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Georgiana Molloy
Yeah, I'm kind of surprised too. I don't right now have all the references I might want, but she is listed in the Calendar of saints (Anglican Church of Australia) for April 8. I don't have a direct reference to add content to the article yet indicating that, though. John Carter 14:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand the points about unreliability completely. We in the project though are, in the interests of being as NPOV as possible, including all individuals who are commemorated in any of the major liturgical calendars as within the scope of the project. The scope of the project is now basically to help improve all articles related to individuals mentioned in any of the various liturgical calendars. I do want to make it clear though that, speaking for myself, we in the project have no particular intention of trying to try to "push" content related to our subject in any of the articles, although we will try to include the relevant content provided it doesn't take up disproportionate space in the article, and try to feature (or at least reference) as many articles as possible on the Portal:Saints. The concept of "sainthood", whether the specific word is used or not, is used by the Anglicans, Lutherans, Orthodox, Catholics, and even a few other churches, like the old Arian church, and in the interests of being NPOV we want to include them all. In an article like this, though, I think about all we would intend to do is improve the quality of the biographical part where we have sources, mention the commemoration in the calendar, and add her name to whichever lists are relevant. John Carter 14:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * For the curious please see further comments at the talk page of the above user - SatuSuro 03:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding the lack of tagging and assessment of Christianity related articles, I know. As soon as I get done with the periodic reassessment of the Saints project, I'm going to try to ensure that all the articles related to Christianity get tagged by at least one project, hopefully the most relevant one, so that there's a greater likelihood that they will be attended to by someone. John Carter 15:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Mammals
I'm running through the Category:Mammals of Australia category as we speak, so yes. Almost done. But I'm beginning to tire so I might call it a night shortly. What happened earlier today that I missed? -- Longhair\talk 14:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Aha! See my current talk page under the "IP vandalism" heading. I had a taste of that yesterday myself, but I didn't cop any flack. The block button got in faster :) -- Longhair\talk 14:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Tell me it's warming up over there in WA. It's bloody freezing here of late. -- Longhair\talk 14:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * We're on bottled gas out here where I am. There's only gas pipes running through the city here and I'm out of town. I used to think Geelong was a cold place to live. And they call this place Sunraysia! -- Longhair\talk 15:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Plenty of wood about the place here mate. I'll get a photo of the wood pile in daylight, almost higher than the shed if not higher. Kinda helps when everyone around you is ripping up their long-established vines to make better use of the land. -- Longhair\talk 15:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Exactly one year ago I was even colder than I am now, some 600km south of here. At least we only get 2 - 3 months of this freezing cold weather where I am now. That said, I'm retiring for now. The wiki is yours mate. Don't push any buttons I wouldn't :) -- Longhair\talk 15:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

OOOps
If anyone wants to point out the wrong class of religion categories with NA rather than category - Iam back to fix em up a bit later today (WA standard time) oops SatuSuro 05:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Catholicism tagging
Just wanting to clarify what you think you want done, as I'm not entirely clear as to what you said you had done or wanted done. I got the impression you wanted the template to change Category or Non-article class into something that showed up as non-article (which is to say, not at all) on the assessment statistics page? John Carter 16:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

"Mary Tudor anger?"
I thought the tone of the comments was funny - a number of "in jokes" concerning the subject of the project. The comments were not intended to be anything other than humor and were not intended to be up forever. What is more, the page doesn't have to stay that way. I just grouped similar posts together and I made obvious headings for potential posts. That said, have at it - make it look how ever you like it. Somebody complained and I tried to fix it, sue me if I don't get a barnstar.

Cheers, SECisek 19:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Project Catholicism
I'm looking at it now :) -- Longhair\talk 05:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That particular project doesn't have a category parameter enabled. The parameter is appearing as a coloured tag in the template due to Category-Class which confuses the matter a little. I've seen some projects use a cat=yes paramter before. I'll go look for one and see if we can enable it for this and our own WP:AUS. -- Longhair\talk 05:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:CHINA uses it. It's not a major blunder and probably something that could easily be enabled anyway. -- Longhair\talk 05:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Use NA for now. I'm fiddling about to see if I can get a cat parameter working for both projects. -- Longhair\talk 05:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The class=cat parameter for WP:AUS works now. See Category talk:Australia. I'll see if I can do the same for the Catholicism WP. -- Longhair\talk 06:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Further reading...
Satu, I want to reinstate the 'Further reading' section into Indonesia. I will ask the FAC reviewer who said he didn't like it - but he did say, it wasn't an 'FA killer'. Can you review it and suggest some additions to (or removals from) the list? The list is now here. thanks --Merbabu 05:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

However knowing my edit history - I will emulate several compatriot editors who have not on wikipedia and do their heaviest editing with the tag still up 

Stolen Page
Yes, I figured it was time to put something up on my pages. Thanks for the tip! SECisek 08:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * My last name is of Czech origin and I was raised culturaly Italian. I lived in the U.K. for brief time in the 1990s. Cheers!

SECisek 08:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for participating in my RfA. It was successful, and I am now, may God have mercy on us all, an administrator. Look at all the new buttons! I had heard about 'protect,' 'block user,' and 'delete,' but no one told me about 'kill,' 'eject,' and 'purée.' I appreciate the trust the community has in me, and I'll try hard not to delete the main page or block Jimbo. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Internment - intermittent
Looks like that was a good call. Re. my 'day job', I would hardly call it that. It includes a three thousand, nine hundred and sixty minute shift - with one lunch break. Sailing on,
 * 1) I have seen a few stubs that may interest you, I'll put together a short list.
 * 2) Any thoughts on Batavia - of the ' Ongeluckige voyagie megalomaniac-onderkoopman-type-protosettlement type' - getting an art. I noticed quite a bit of flotsam as I was sailing about those waters, it might suit lashing together for a vessel capable of negotiating high seas upon the main. It is what to name her that eludes me, I have a few suggestions which are completely unoriginal. Shall I send it all careening onto this quiet and yet productive cove,  or moor it in a la goon. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍  contributions  01:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Problems with your watchlist?
See WP:WATCHLIST. &mdash;Moondyne 02:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Central West - Australian Football League
Hiya. I believe your move of this article was incorrect. http://www.cwafl.asn.au does not show a hyphen where you have inserted one. Metao 07:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * haha. That got me: hook, line and sinker. &mdash;Moondyne 09:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that a (NSW) tag might be good, because it does look like a WA/NT league at first glance. The lead does clarify it as NSW, though. Metao 01:17, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Footy tags
WP:AFL is for the league -- Australian Football League which does not strictly include the regional teams and such as they operate within their own leagues. afl=yes should be kept for the AFL teams only. &mdash;Moondyne 08:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want to be confused then see WP:AFL I thought it covered all things Aussie rule as well so do these articles from the project Gnangarra 14:12, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit wars
Which one? There's several happening concurrently that I'm aware of. Maybe its time to turn the bloody thing off. &mdash;Moondyne 08:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

If you need a chuckle
I'm pretty sure I've done that same thing myself. -- Longhair\talk 14:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

You might as well have been speaking Swahili
I'll always get stuck reading comments from you six to seven times over, because most of the time I can never understand what you are trying to say or what you're talking about. The speaker of the house would be grateful for some clarification from the honourable member on my right because at the moment, because right now I feel like I'm stuck in a black hole with Dr. Seuss books floating around me. Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 01:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you smoking today, and more importantly can I have some please! Thewinchester (talk) 06:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well at least tell me where to get it from and which customs officials I need to bribe to bring it into the country. Thewinchester (talk) 06:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Enough said, as long as it was some of the better Vino producers in the area. Thewinchester (talk) 07:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

pipe
I hear them every day, the bairns at the local conflate those assemblages to a maximum of three tunes. It is easy to become misty eyed when I remember how they are made. The snark hunt ending with an old blanket being bound around the fierce creature; the cheers of celebration, the blooding of the dogs, and then we'd batter the poor devil with an old chair. The subsequent 'bag' was good for 70s or 29 weddings, traditional ways being the best method of producing a pipe. But I digress ...

I've said as much as I'm going to on the fictional airports of western australia - elsewhere. Brautigan ..! Trout fishing in america shorty would have something to say - linguine and porchetta or other attempts to swear in italia, probably. See gra's talk for discussionunimportant of the givenname in the canonicalnon-military of the biographicalgeo and inconsequentialan old story topic. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  08:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm meant to imply, in my round about way, that suffering my discursive notes and irrelevant quotes, "We are blinded by what we think we know; disbelieve if you can", and responding with plain answers deserved automatic promotion. I wonder if old Sammy will get his, difficult to cite a rank [¿Capitano, nicht loo-tenant?] in a secret unit. I'm surprised that such a maverick is not more celebrated, I suppose it is of greater cultural value to the same mob he [theoretically] defeated in Townsville harbour, l'americainski!  Larrikin is the alleged local flavour, I suppose I might find a ref in an aus-cultrl art: betwixt the riots and appropriation of meat and pastry dishes. Apologies for the scattered attention, I will get around to savaging your contributions and delighting in your navigational skills a bit later. I've been plodding through some references, both fiche and fishy, to establish my newly electrified post-colonial Victorian walled garden. All tramways will in easy walking distance and polite discourse, on the merits of granting the vote to those without property, will be undertaken with the upmost adherence to internationalist notions of modernity. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍  contributions  12:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Miller
Horrie's service record is available on line, I trawling through it atm, will check Norm Brearley out next. Using http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/defence/conflicts/ww1/ww1.html  Gnangarra 14:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * trawling NAA the Perth office has a filmed interview with Horrie from 1972 talking about the aircraft used to start MMA... Gnangarra 15:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Franklin
The Franklin River in Tasmania is still far more notable than the others. The battles over its survival had enormous political, environmental and legal significance, and the site remains a World Heritage Site. Of the other two Franklin Rivers, one is a small rural river in New Zealand, and the other is so insignificant it doesn't even have an article. Really, it should never have been moved in the first place. Rebecca 10:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The Sands
Are thay de local team then? I had a go once, I need to pay a visit to someone who knows a bit about it. Should be a doddle. It was red-linked, but I thought that was just adding to problems in an already labouring lede. The draft was cluttering up my jetty so I dropped it out at sea, thus the big splash. The question now is - what will I use for mooring! I'm in and out tonight, currently wading through a westralian author's revisionist tome on sufferage requires some sufferance. The emergent requirements and long unfinished tasks of this pathological volunteerism, will see fitful activity of revision and concurrent collaboration interleave in an undeniably perplexing manner. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  10:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * makes sense in that instance, i will pay a visit to the school of ~'s library. should be able to enthuse an inhabitant enough to get the goods on the bazzie grit. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍  contributions  10:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Projects = ?
SatuSuro - thanks for the info. I am moving jobs in a week also, but that just means I will have less time for a while. After talking to Sterry2607 I seem to have a better idea of what how I should be organising my work. I envy the free time thought! Stellar 11:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Loco articles
I just did an article on the Victorian Railways G class. While the article is nothing to write home about, the VR guys seem to have their act together with templates. Maybe you could adapt them. Cheers, --Michael Johnson 04:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There has been research on this around for a while. I guess I first came aware of it at a conference on Megapodes some years back, where Malleefowl were shown to do well in areas that maintained dingo populations. Don't see it getting much support though, the dingo is still classed as vermin here in Vic. --Michael Johnson 04:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Watercourses
I'm not going to do anything; no, not even object if someone decides to break it up. Since this is a day for quoting each other, I refer you to your fine comment on the talk page: "perhaps it might take the skill of the tag placer to break it into usable parts?" Hesperian 02:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Never Knew
Just considered them part of a normal talk pages array of stuff. Will remember that in future. Thanks for the tip. Twenty Years 09:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Nicholas Paul Hasluck
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 * Above is fixed. Roots and leaves blues: Don't know it myself, perhaps Henrietta is not all she's made out to be! &mdash;Moondyne 15:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)  I'm off. &mdash;Moondyne 15:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

WP Indonesia list class
Talk:List of Indonesian earthquakes I see there is now a list class, but that it isn't sorted as such (look at the category, it's still rated as unassessed). I should use class=List if I run across lists, right? Rigadoun (talk) 16:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Death?
I think that's in relation to this, right? Er...ok, I'll just go hide under a rock all day in fear of my eminent demise. Giggy UCP 00:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Go on Google Talk so I can abuse you relentlessly without getting in trouble on wiki ;) Giggy  UCP 01:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * =( Don't make me do it here :P Now, buzz off, and happy editing! Giggy  UCP 01:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Death?
I think that's in relation to this, right? Er...ok, I'll just go hide under a rock all day in fear of my eminent demise. Giggy UCP 00:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Go on Google Talk so I can abuse you relentlessly without getting in trouble on wiki ;) Giggy  UCP 01:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * =( Don't make me do it here :P Now, buzz off, and happy editing! Giggy  UCP 01:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * All I can remember is that they should have John Cleese and black cats. Is that it?  Giggy  UCP 01:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

WALC
I'm surprised Hesperian hasn't written an article on that yet. &mdash;Moondyne 01:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

...you know
What a time [Friday 03:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)] to be invoking the name of this page. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍ contributions  03:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

welcome
huh? WikiTownsvillian 05:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

shield
Dunno. One is a drainage system, the other is a... what? Nothing more than a plateau? It's hard to say, isn't it? Sometimes a geologist will say "it's a craton", a geographer will say "it's a plateau", and a hydrologist will say "it's a drainage division". Oftentimes they can't even decide between themselves whether they are talking about precisely the same landform, so how are we to know? Hesperian 07:12, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've seen it. I shall leave that one in your capable hands, lest I get sucked into it and find myself still working on it this time next century. Hesperian 12:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Do I want to look, or remain in the eighteenth century. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍  contributions  14:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Audio books
Bookbot seems cool - a lot of e-books available there. Yeah do you have some podcasts you could recommend? I don't have a mac - macs are usable with VoiceOver but it is still clunky compared to the Windows screen readers. I use podcasts with Winamp though. I like the books produced by the ABC - they are high-quality and people put a lot of emotion into the narration unlike some talking books. Are you going to the Wikipedia Perth meetup this August? Graham 87 13:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes
Bugger me. Ahhh, wasnt tryna understand what they were saying, just tryna get my point across as to what i think should happen. But very good advice from a person who very much should be an administrator. Im trying to concentrate on getting WP:WA unassessed articles, assessed. Its most rewarding to know that after all ive taken from WP:WA, i can finally give something back.

On a completely unrelated matter: On my assessment run i am finding alot of Perth articles in the unassessed WA category, which is quite wierd. My first thought is that all Perth articles are automatically placed in WP:WA aswell? Personally, i cant wait until the 3 months are over and i can go and do a few crazy things (like put this up for FAR. stuff the croweaters =P). Anywho, that was my moment of crazyness. Best Wishes. Twenty Years 15:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Monitoring pages
OK, just figured out what you were talking about. I don't actually use these pages much for monitoring, but add the new articles the bot picks up as they come in, so that they stay listed somewhere when removed from the archive there. It is very time-consuming to add older articles. I suppose a good place to start would be copy over all the lists from the topics list, but it would take forever to put them in the right place and format them (with the talk page), so I'm not going to do it anytime soon. Thanks for correcting the spelling mistakes and categories, obviously I haven't read them very carefully myself. As for copy-editing non-native-speaker articles, you can just use the copyedit template and hope someone finds it. I wonder if there would be a way to find articles needing copy-editing related to your own interests? (e.g. ones that are in a cat related to Indonesia) Rigadoun (talk) 16:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I know this is not the place but for some reason your talk page is protected, so I can't leave you a message there. Regarding the new page you made, and I tagged for speedy deletion; this is what it looked like when I saw it: Most vanity pages look something like this when created as new pages, and as you can appreciate, with little content, style formatting or sources (and a red-linked category) it looked like a non-notable person. There are so many new pages - I tag a lot and sooner or later there is bound to be a mistake - that is what hang on it for, after all. I appreciate that some people prefer to create small and work up - not a policy I like, incidentally, but that is your choice - after all, if you write the whole article before saving it, it is obvious what the notability is (and would negate any such problems as the one that occurred) - plus I see no benefits of saving after every small addition if you are writing lots.

One thing I do not like or appreciate is the hostility towards people using anonymous IP addresses - this is why wikipedia works, and why it is so big, and why it is so good. I dislike the snobbery shown towards good IP editors, and I have been tagged as a vandal (wrongly) twice before, due to named-users making mistakes. The rights of people to edit as IPs is important - and don't assume they are necessarily unfamiliar with wikipedia. I am helping just as you are. 195.137.30.238 16:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

This editor is in firewood collecting and cutting mode - please do not expect anything much for the moment

WA geography
Okay I will see if I can find anything. Though I cant do much at the moment as broadband isnt connecting. Perhaps Image:Topography of australia.jpg or Image:Australia satellite plane.jpg could be cropped to show just WA? --Astrokey 44 08:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Without SatuSuro
the world is not interesting again ... no, that can't be. You always here. :-) Hahaha, thanks for the message. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Airports
You only say that because deep down you want me to plant a big wet sloppy kiss on your cheek at the next meetup! Thewinchester (talk) 01:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

NobutoraTakeda
seems to be leaving multiple comments on both of us. any ideas what is up?--most of this seems to be about pages I don't ordinarily concern myself with, so if there's something behind this I do not know what it might beDGG (talk) 01:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The Bush
Very ornery. Agreed. &mdash;Moondyne 02:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Brearley
Just noticed an additional reading item you added; ''Mayman, Ted (1979). "Sir Norman Brearley, the aviator", in Hunt, Lyall (ed): Westralian Portraits. Nedlands: University of Western Australia Press, 193–198. ISBN 0-85564-157-6.'' Check 1cate! Is that Check 1cate! on the end relevant or just some mistaken text? Thewinchester (talk) 04:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Trojan camals?? I'd like two. Thewinchester (talk) 08:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)`

Infoboxes
Hi SatuSuro. What IS the gen on Infoboxes? I thought they were pretty well expected but I notice that not all feature articles - even biographical ones - have them. What is the Wikipedia philosophy regarding them? I saw one deleted because "it didn't add anything" but I thought its role was to summarise basic inf. Can you clarify for me please? Sterry2607 06:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Canning
WHere you get that one? Gnangarra 07:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Should have known you would have been in contact with your lady friend on the sand flats Gnangarra 07:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Glenda Adams, info boxes etc
Thanks SatuSuro. Seems, really, like the jury is out on the Infoboxes (to some degree) so we'll probably just keep using them as we have been until someone yells at us. I think they provide a useful encapsulation of STUFF. I finally found a Funeral Director's Notice for Glenda Adams' death - doesn't mention her career though. I liked her Dancing on coral and Hottest night of the century. She was too young to die. Wonder if it was cancer? I've only read "Love child" of Bedford's. Oh, BTW I copy and pasted your Archives infobox to make my archives list (of one so far) look better. Thanking you in retrospect! Cheers, Sterry2607 07:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks ... I guess every bit helps, if we all do what we are most capable of doing eh?Sterry2607 11:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and re Bedford - she's 6 years older than I (5 years older than husband)! Sterry2607 02:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL ... and hopefully some wisdom and grammar?? It's cold cold here - and they are forecasting 5 plus likely snow for tomorrow. Sterry2607 03:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

cat
I'll drop by and take a look at the template again later today. Had a touch of the winter flu of late so my editing has taken a back step while I recover :) -- Longhair\talk 02:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Darn, I thought it was going to be all beer and skittles --Melburnian 06:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Lonely Planet
I think we should add other Indonesia-related Lonely Planet Books. I have books on Bali, Java, and Food of Indonesia. A seperate section could work. What do you think? --Merbabu 07:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

messages will probably be unchecked for a while 

huh?
''I know juniper taught at hale and ggs - but i cannot remember seeing anything about him being a student at either - do you know one way or other? SatuSuro 05:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't know, mate. TwentyYears added the category; I just shifted the sort key. Ask him I guess. Hesperian 05:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I took the article on face value. Upon further research, i found no source for it, and have changed the category to put him into both Hale and GGS because he was a teacher at those schools.Twenty Years 05:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Its been done on Aquinas. My rationale for it is that people who are notable to the school, eg. they were involved in the foundation (eg. Bishop Gibney to AC), staff (eg. David Gault to AC), or in any way to help/aid the school. (eg. Paul Keaney to AC). I also think that it would just be a waste of space to create a cat: "Staff at Aquinas College, Perth". Hence why they are in there, i have been convinced of the merits of not having Alumni in the schools cat, but not staff. Staff have a strong connection to the college, alumni generally dont. Twenty Years 05:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help with the Geography of Western Australia article John D. Croft 06:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Google
Hey SatuSuro. I did a Google search a few minutes ago on: glenda adams death. No 1 hit was my message to you re this on your talk page...(though when you click on it you get your current talk page and not the archived page where the message is). Anyhow, I guess I'm a little horrified that Google appears to be picking up our talk pages? What do you know about this? Sterry2607 05:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Fortunately I usually mind my p's and q's (and have seen an odd Yahoo bookgroup post of mine appear so tend to be careful) but this is a salient reminder, as you say, of just how careful you might need to be! Sterry2607 08:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

MG
I was going to make an edit and cancelled it. The house is a museum, not unlike Beatrix or - yes - the Addams family. It is the nut coat business you may have seen, charming little pages. The potted bio is nice, the best quote (besides the one I put at the art) is the dedication in the first edition. Fred ☻ 02:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Bagdad (Tasmania)
Hi SatuSuro. Thanks for welcoming the kids at Bagdad Primary School. I'm riding herd on this project of theirs (I join the students in their class on Friday mornings). We'll gladly welcome any help or suggestions you might have.
 * Sorry, I'll sign this time. Sure, we can make the school page a section of the Bagdad page.  A previous person (MissPlum) had put the school on the Bagdad page as a "see" link, so I just worked off of that. Bagdad is actually in the Southern Midlands, not the Central Highlands.KeresH 03:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Cat Oz Jews
Happy to fix 'em where I find 'em. I agree about some boilerplate being added to the top of each category page explaining what a category is etc. Getting it accepted, and up and running however.... Cheers, Mattinbgn/talk 03:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Please note
I just trashed a very large watchlist by accident - if you are here about something obscure - please be patient - cheers SatuSuro 04:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

 "What the" award, for successfully removing 12,000 + articles from your watch list enjoy the peace and quiet for a while Gnangarra 05:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Midland
Yes, the area has changed a lot in the past while. The Royal Blind Society (which also had an office in Maylands) is now the Senses Foundation and is in Victoria Park. I've actually been wandering around the eastern suburbs articles because of something I heard on The Worst Jobs in History on the ABC about tanning. My mum told me that there used to be a tannery in Hazelmere that emitted quite a stink - I couldn't find much on the Internet about it; do you know any of its history? Graham 87 03:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ya, ampun!
Oh dear. Merbabu 11:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Kretek
I saw this mentioned on TV the other night - on Pilot Guide. There was a brief interview with the author - a bule. Who would have thought; a book on Kretek? --Merbabu 11:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

refriographical notataions
After 30 years of using em, I'm no clearer on citation systems. Authors just copy the last book they read. I am sure of this, it is not my further reading - I read it already! Back tonight, feel free to vandalise my articles when I am gone. Fred ☻ 02:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Ta for the link to Sir James. I will get up there soon, there is alot to say about him. He turns out to be very interesting. Don't look to hard for Sowerby, there is no bio. My agent in the UK is on to it. Cheers, Fred ☻  02:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Karrinyup reference
Thanks for that Karrinyup further reading reference you added to the article a while back. Managed to pick it up today when at the Battye while getting a few other news references and cross information, and it contains a wealth of statistics and information which need a good combing over before they get included in the article. Thewinchester (talk) 14:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Need your comments
Hello! I hope you are feeling fine. I would like you to view my comments here. Your advise on this issue would be much appreciated. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 13:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Acronyms
You can never have too many. If you really want a big list, I have two Excel files full of them. There are 1124 acronyms beginning with 'p', and even 13 beginning with 'z'! Regards. Davidelit 06:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought an automatic message would be sent - apparently not. I have left one. Thanks Davidelit 07:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Been quiet
You've been quiet lately. Gnangarra 02:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Cats
actually I cleaned it up last night. :) Orderinchaos 09:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh, stupid AWB. Got a new version few days ago and it is doing odd things. The actual changes are all correct (I'm doing them semi-manually) but the summaries are a bit messed up. Orderinchaos 09:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Locate me
Coords come in handy when used with outside tools. -- Longhair\talk 09:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania 2008
Hey! I'm contacting all the members of wikiproject Perth because, I have put in an incomplete bid for Perth to hold Wikimania 2008. Please show your support by adding your name to the list and help contribute by improving our bid which is incomplete and located here - thanks Talk to symode09's or How's my driving? 18:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Reminder
Meetup/Perth/3 is next sunday 19th August, if you haven't already please sign on the meetup page if your coming, if your still unsure indicate anyway so I can confirm numbers with the venue thankyou Gnangarra 00:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

John Gellibrand
I know you take an interest in Tasmanian articles. Is there any reason not to consider the material taken from http://www.unsw.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/Generals/index.html copyright? I'm inclined to stubise it.Grahamec 05:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The trouble with this one is whether the adfa article precedes the wikipedia article they may be written by the same person, but there is no evidence of it.--Grahamec 02:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

category talk pages
I got a bit confused by the red and the grey, but I've worked it out.--Grahamec 02:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, sorry abbout that, i accidently deleted something, but i quickly fixed it, my bad... I have made the changes to the article I initially set out to do... finally... sourry about the confusion.--Murchy 18:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Oki Doki. Thanks for your help. 18:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Discussion pages
Are there guidelines about what to put in the discussion pages? for new pages, for instance, linking them to projects - working out which projects and the style of the templates to add? Stellar 10:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Question 2: what does the "N" in front of your contributions mean?

Example from watchlist: (diff) (hist). . N Talk:Australian History Awards‎; 16:12. . (+43) . . SatuSuro (Talk | contribs) (added WP Australia and literature project and history project as well) ...Stellar 10:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * N is for New page, b is for bot, m is for minor edits, there's no set format for talk pages just tag it with the relevant projects assess the article if you want. Gnangarra 10:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Twiggy
I saw that. &mdash;Moondyne 14:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And that. &mdash;Moondyne 07:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Its marginal. There's no doubt it exists, just whether it notable. If you look at one of the cats, there's plenty there that are much the same. I personally don't have a problem with it it, as long as a) it truly exists rather than being just in the planning stage; and b) its been reported on independently by good reliable sources. a) is just a maybe and b) is a no (at this stage). I'll give it a week or so. &mdash;Moondyne 08:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I know. &mdash;Moondyne 09:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Daydawn
Didn't it have a municipal council at one point? (On further investigation, yes - declared 21 Dec 1894 per GG 1894:1273, dissolved 11 Oct 1912 per 1912:4489. If you want the full gazettals I can get them when I'm next in.) Orderinchaos 14:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure. I know that I have some good (own) photos somewhere of Bill Bell and Day Dawn but am buggered if I can find them. I'll keep hunting though. Fascinating countryside. &mdash;Moondyne 01:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No wreck info - don't know anything about that. But, did you know that, (confusingly) Day Dawn was also the name of a mining company from Charters Towers in northern Queensland? &mdash;Moondyne 01:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

not tp
Not only TP drivers I've seen a number of school bus drivers getting lost or stuck on hills trying to get to Darlington PS and Helena college :) also know of one driver who took an ex-TP bus down the zigzag. Gnangarra 06:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

John Howard
Deleted those pointless redirects. Well spotted, cheers. -- Longhair\talk 11:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've got to log off for a wee bit but if that vandal persists feel free to let me know. I may be back online later. -- Longhair\talk 11:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Indonesia History Template
Ha ha1 ! I am also a veteran of the Indonesian Civil War article battle... I have been editing offline, and I'm about to make some big changes. Let me know what you think - in about 15 minutes. Regards Davidelit 09:50, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes I'm back
Back after a month or so in the Kimberley - expect the odd photo to two to go up shortly. Forgot to put up the Wikibreak notice before departing. Cheers, --Zamphuor 14:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi there guerilla from the West
I think of you westerners whenever I see a nice banksia or grevillea ... you lot seem to be doing a lot with flora n'est-ce pas? I love Australia's flora but can't convince Ma-in-law and hubby of their wonder. Anyhow, I am back and ready to Wiki away again...Hope all is well with you Sterry2607 00:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh well
C'est la vie, eh? I can't understand why people won't try to talk...surely they can work out how to do it? Are you saying he wrote all that text and then on the basis of your talk deleted a lot of it but didn't discuss it? Sterry2607 03:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Synch. and myst.
But is is named for the river or the flower, my refs say both?! More serendipitious black swanning, it would need a theory were there not one already. Spooky, speaking of which - how would you disambiguate this:
 * Karl (Carl) Alexander Anselm Freiherr von Hügel (Baron Charles von Hügel) from
 * Baron von Huegel (Hugel, Hügel) which is given in citations? I put it the too hard basket before, but it didn't go away. Cygnis insignis 09:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rephrase: At what point do we stop redirecting ? ... if you follow SatuSuro 10:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC) Strangely - I do! Regards, Cygnis insignis 10:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Indonesian music cats
Hi SatuSuro, Sorry I haven't gotten back to you yet. As you saw, I was looking through the categories this morning. I just created a few new ones that seemed like they would fit into well-established "X by country" categories, sorry I forgot to tag them with the WP Indonesia tag. I thought the overall organization was okay, what were you thinking could be better? Rigadoun (talk) 03:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I usually do stuff from work during the day here, but I recently got internet access at home so I'll probably be doing more in the evenings too. I agree the categories seem underpopulated, but they seemed appropriate since they are part of the series in various countries...and there probably are lots of possible entries (Indonesia being a big country) if anybody ever adds them. That's what I'd tell the cat police, anyway... Rigadoun (talk) 04:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Father's Day
And a belated one to you too Sir. &mdash;Moondyne 13:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Oh no! Non-wikipedia-related hobbies are forbidden, don't you know? Hesperian 13:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Metaphorical Gold?
Pray, do tell. Did your teens treat you well for F Day? Stellar and I are dining tonight...that will be nice. Sterry2607 06:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL I think, perhaps, that ours was better! Both kids OS so off to a lovely meal at a winery restaurant with my mum and dad and hubby's mum. It was lovely. (Oh, and *I* got breakfast in bed! What more could I ask? Now, what's this metaphorical gold?? Sterry2607 07:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

User warranting warnings
Lancelot222 has exceeded my realms of power regarding his contributions to Sound masking. He is continuously vandalising the page, ignoring my warnings. I will give him a third warning for another instance of vandalism. Auroranorth 12:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a notice I copied and pasted to the WA admins. So, I thought you might like a look. Auroranorth 12:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

caps in titles and dead-end categories
Good point about CAPS in the titles. I just cut and pasted that one, a bit short on time. Also a good point about the category stubs--I figured they get trashed if they're not well used, but sounds like there may be a purpose after all. So thanks for letting me know. Much obliged. Oh--and I like the story about the caterpillar! --Dylanfly 13:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

SB
Matur nuwun. :-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 08:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hahahahaha, thank you. You just gave me another best of idea of watching YouTube beside the "Dreaming Country" (Republik Mimpi) from Indonesia. After you left me the message about the chaser, I was watching this . Thanks a lot. ;-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 11:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Indonesia collaboration => Jakarta
This fortnight's Indonesia project collaboration is > > > Jakarta < < <. As a nominator for this article, it would be great to see you contribute. Also, please visit the nomination page for next week's collab. It is strongly preferred that an underdeveloped article is nominated, or even a stub, rather than something already of high quality. Any questions, please let me know. thanks and happy editing --Merbabu 11:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Aw shucks, mate. Can't we be civil?
Shoot, SatoSuro, our first meeting was nice enough--you noted that I should take more care with a citation (in all caps). Fair enough, though I was still in the middle of editing that. And your point about the Anti-Communist Indonesians category was well taken (I had no clue). But then, on the next interaction, you lay this on me: It is one thing to put down wikipedia aspirations for NPOV - but if you are indeed an academic - then I can think of academic supervisors that I have had in my time that would return some of your current attempts at papers/ - ie wikipedia edits on articles with a re-write demand Damn, bro, that's cold blooded, as we used to say in the 70s. I think you should be nice to the newbies and assume good faith: two orthodox WP practices. If you read my comments about NPOV carefully: it's an intellectual caveat, not an abandonment of the NPOV goal. "Objectivity" can simultaneously be a worthy goal and conceal a positivist, masculinist, White supremacist, capitalist perspective (to name a few). I.e. plenty of people with incredibly strong POVs hide behind the normative claim of neutrality. On WP articles about Indonesia, the clandestine/inadvertent POV is sometimes Aussie-centric, masculine, and WorldBank-ish. So, for example, structural adjustment gets a big smiley endorsement on Indonesia, yet this passes for NPOV. Then I'm biased for pointing out the POV? C'mon. I'm very happy to take criticism about style, method, and transgression of WP policies--I'm a newb, after all--but I'd appreciate it if there was a bit more good faith and friendly language, okay? --Dylanfly 17:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Look, mate, I'm sure you're a nice enough fellow, but insulting my scholarship is a pretty mediocre way to say Hi-and-Howdy. I'm just asking you to make nice and not throw sand, okay? I've been on Wikipedia since mid-June (I think), and I'm a professor.  I'm trained in critical theory, marxism, feminism, and the like.  For those of the positivist mindset, that stuff can be tough to digest.  There can be an oil and water reaction going both ways.  For my part, I love science too; but my intellectual orientation, methodology, and politics give me cause to question those who claim "objectivity."  When I think of top Indonesianists, I think of Benedict Anderson, Ariel Heryanto, Vedi Hadiz, Anne Stoler, James T. Siegel.  Do those names register?  To make a long story short, that's where I'm coming from.  Many of the most important Indonesia articles betray a pro-Washington consensus, pro-neoliberal development perspective.  Add to that a fetish for the "fact," the trivial, and the superficial.  Reminds me of high school geography in the USA.  In sum, biased as heck, but masked as "non-political" and "neutral."  I'm asking you, again, to try and see me as a friendly ally; a helpful, knowledgeable, and usually cheerful contributor who can contribute to the democratic production of knowledge that we call WP.  So let me  buy you a virtual beer, SatuSuro.  We'll shake virtual hands, trade smiles, and edit together happily ever after.  Sound good?  --Dylanfly 01:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Dear Satu, Sorry things haven't worked out for now. Maybe at some point in the future you'll let me buy you that virtual bir. In the meantime, happy editing.  --Dylanfly 12:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)