User talk:Jasandia

Sockpuppet investigation
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Nomination of Baker-Gorbachev Pact for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Baker-Gorbachev Pact is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Baker-Gorbachev Pact until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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 * Hi, I just wanted to make one suggestion. The Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security, 1997 was a treaty signed between NATO and Russia in the 1990s. It's very much a real thing, was negotiated over several years, discusses new membership, and yet still doesn't have a Wikipedia article, only a short section at Russia–NATO relations. I don't quite have the attention to write it, but have hoped that someone would. And on that page, I would think there would be a "Background" section, wherein previous negotiations, like 1990, could be mentioned. Just a thought!-- Patrick Neil, o Ѻ ∞/Talk 02:44, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * For me, this is a topic far larger and continued in time than a Treaty affecting Germany's reunification or the 1997 Act. I think these has been a topic adressed by politicians, historians and the media for a long time for its historical relevance. I would totally agree to change the name, perhaps to assurances instead of pact, or something similar, and even expand it. It could well have a section of Russian use as propaganda. But I'm still thinking this diserves its own article. Jasandia (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Good article reassessment of NATO page
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Patrick Neil and LongLivePortugal
I'm afraid we are dealing with people creating systematic damage to impartiality and to Wikipedia. I have the impression that they are politically motivated. I do not understand how the admins allow them to operate so freely. Their behavior is illustrated for example here. These are just a few words of solidarity. Cheers and keep strong! Morgoonki (talk) 11:14, 3 March 2022 (UTC)


 * It's impossible, now that they erased the whole page and merge was proposed to merge with Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany I'm facing a similar problem there with a guy Kautilya3 reverting all attempts to do the merger. Jasandia (talk) 17:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

March 2022
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Kautilya3 (talk) 11:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Let's see... please let's not have this debate all over again. We have had this debate for over a week on the article Baker-Gorbachev Pact on whether to erase the article or not. The article, just as all I have added, was well referenced with a primary source (a US declassified memorandum on Baker-Gorbachev conversations) and a secondary and reknown source (Der Spiegel). After a week, the majority of editors agreed to merge the content of that article to the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany -I opposed but that was the decission. So, that's what I have just done. The sources were also discussed and considered valid.


 * You can find the discussion and the result in here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Baker-Gorbachev_Pact


 * So please, do not revert again my edition using false arguments, there are sources in all I have added. Tell me what is not sourced there after reading the memorandum. I'm tired of this biased war editing in Wikipedia. Jasandia (talk) 13:42, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jasandia! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree&#32;at Talk:Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. Kautilya3 (talk) 14:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * You mean they must do exactly what you have not done, looking for consensus? You just reverted a whole sourced edition (there were quite several previous paragraphs unsourced in that article, but that didn't seem to bother you). I have added a link to a discussion between several editors in Wikipedia regarding how material from a previous article should be merged in this one
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Baker-Gorbachev_Pact Jasandia (talk) 14:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What you call "sourced edition" is actually WP:Original research on Wikipedia, because you are adding your own interpretation of WP:PRIMARY sources. And, they will be accordingly and if necessary deleted.
 * If there was a "consesus or merge" from another page, that does not mean that content that violates Wikipedia policies will be allowed to sit here for ever., can you clarify? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * To which extent content is to be merged is an editorial decision, and accordingly requires editorial consensus. Editors may and should properly remove content, merged or otherwise, that fails Wikipedia's content policies such as verifiability and no original research, and if there is no consensus about that, one will have to be found on the article talk page.  Sandstein   16:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That's perfect, but the material I added is sourced. So, if @Kautilya3 is to delete something, shouldn't he justify it and wait for a debate, instead of erasing whole paragraphs without the consensus you are talking about? Jasandia (talk) 16:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't understand a word of what you are saying. The sources are there and are clear NSA Archive/George washington University, Der Spiegel... Primary and secundary. They are "attributable to a reliable, published source" as WP:Original research says, and I am not adding any own interpretation. What am I adding according to you? Jasandia (talk) 16:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Kautilya3 (talk) 17:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * You have done this edit three times now. If you do any more reverts during the next 24 hours, you are liable to be sanctioned. Don't say that I didn't warn you! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I did an inclussion in the article and you reverted first, then twice but I'm the one reported. You take advantage of knowing the Wikipedia ways better than I do and having a lot of free times. If I knew how to report you, belive me I would Jasandia (talk) 17:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)