User talk:Jasonfb

Hi Jason,

pleased note that you can sign your messages using four tildes ~

If you read the guidance on a new article page, articles must have a verifiable source. Yours did not, neither did it have any indication of why someone's accommodation or parties were significant enough for a global encyclopaedia.

It's hardly my fault that you don't bother saving your work, but I'll see if I can retrieve the text and dump it here for you to think about. jimfbleak 09:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I notice you've recreated. I won't delete and protect, so that they can take their chances with other editors. jimfbleak 09:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Jasonfb 09:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC) Jim-- How should I do this? I wanted to use Wikipedia as a place where dozens of people involved in this project could collabortively edit a historical document. Now I see that in order to get it past the "censors" here I've got a pretty high burden of bringing it so that it is fully sourced and finished before it is even posted so that it doesn't get deleted again. Is there any way out of this catch 22?

You seem to have taken the deletion rather personally. Please note that I didn't mean it as an attack against you or your group. Dozens of pages are nominated for speedy deletion every day (see CAT:CSD); I have scanned your article and reached a conclusion that it has indeed met the speedy deletion criteria, making no claim of notability. I couldn't see the talk page you have established; the page Talk:DUMBA never existed. You have created it at Talk:Dumba instead. (Note: with the exception of the first letter, page titles are case-sensitive; To Be or Not to Be and To be or not to be are different articles.)

The text of the article (when it was deleted the first time) is below. - Mike Rosoft 18:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your comments do not make any sense. Nobody deletes articles just because their subject is a woman, or black, gay, or a member of another minority group. The point is that memebers of these groups are subject to the same notability guidelines as anybody else. (What else do you suggest? That members of minority groups should have articles even if they don't meet the inclusion criteria?) Not everything gets to have an article on Wikipedia; for an extreme example, an article about a notice posted on the corridor of the ground floor at Hietalahdenkatu 7A, Helsinki, Finland (an actually created article) may well be true and verifiable (should somebody bother himself to photograph it), but was deleted as obviously unencyclopedic. - Mike Rosoft 19:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, your article is undergoing discussion at deletion review, and three of the four editors who commented have reached the conclusion that the article should have been deleted. And I have been helpful and recovered your article on your talk page for reference, and - if desired - for you to expand and provide reliable sources. (See WP:CITE, WP:VERIFY.) And how did you respond? By starting a request for comment against me, and demanding that I am blocked for two weeks. As far as I see, the only case you have against me is that I deleted the article you have created - I am SO MUCH worried about action being taken against me for it. By the way, like it or not, this kind of tirades won't get you much sympathy. (And finally, do you even read your talk page? I'll copy my comments to the deletion review page.) - Mike Rosoft 19:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

DUMBA is a collective living space in New York City that gave home to a thriving alternative music and independent film scene before and after the turn of the 21st century. As both a collective living space and community space, DUMBA was at the center of several evoluations of the riotgirl and indy film scenes in New York city between 1995 and 2006.

It gets its name for the neighborhood it is in, DUMBO, which stands for "Down Under the Manhattan Bridge Overpass." (According to urban legend, DUMBA was named for "Down Under the Manhattan Bridge Anarchists.")

DUMBA was founded by Scott Berry and others in 1995.

In 2000 and 2001, DUMBA hosted the Lusty Loft Parties, about which the movie Shortbus was loosely based. (The movie, incidentally, is filmed inside of DUMBA, although in the movie it is called "Shortbus").

Here's the other version of the article (the one I deleted). It has even less content than the previous one. - Mike Rosoft 17:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

DUMBA is a collective living space and anarchist community center that was part of the queer, riotgrrl, punk, and independent film scene in New York city between 1995 and 2006.

In 2000 and 2001, DUMBA was home to the Lusty Loft Parties

Mike Rosoft and Jimfbleak deleted pages on 11/30/2006 ~
Please stop creating this article; it does not belong in the mainspace. If you want to resolve the dispute, go to WP:RFC or something similar. Veinor (ヴエノル(talk)) 18:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I see that you have created the request for comment at Requests for comment/Mike Rosoft and Jimfbleak, but didn't link to it from the appropriate RfC page. If you want the case to be even considered, please follow the instructions at Requests for comment and Requests for comment/User conduct. (And please be more specific in the summaries, adding links, such as to the deletion log or editing differences, to provide evidence of the disputed behavior.) Regards, Mike Rosoft 22:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have refactored the page a bit. - Mike Rosoft 22:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I hadn't realized there was another page involved.
You got the full text of the article at DUMBA, because that's what the deletion review was about. You should start another one if you think it shouldn't have been deleted. -Amarkov blahedits 04:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Mike Rosoft and Jimfbleak
Do you intend to follow through on this? It needs to be listed on the Requests for comment/User conduct page. -Amarkov blahedits 17:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Ali Al Messedy
Ali Al Messedy has been proposed for deletion. An editor felt this information might not be verifiable. Please review Verifiability for the relevant policy. If you can improve the article to address these concerns, please do so, citing reliable sources.

If no one objects to the deletion within five days by removing the "prod" notice, the article may be deleted without further discussion. If you remove the prod notice, the deletion process will stop, but if an editor is still not satisfied that the article meets Wikipedia guidelines, it may be sent to Articles for deletion for consensus. NickelShoe (Talk) 03:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Dumba
Hi, Jasonfb! If I can help with this article, please let me know. I'm not actually familiar with the content, though I'm pretty sure I know some residents. But I note you're a relatively new user, so if you need help with formatting, references, or any sort of "how to", please let me know! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)