User talk:Jasper Deng/Archive 16

"Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar"
Have you noticed anything similar from other IPs in the past? This "person" has been spamming from multiple IPs, and we're not sure of the total number of IPs being used. See Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents for details. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 21:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Rook and 2 pawns versus rook from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rook_and_pawn_versus_rook_endgame#Rook_and_two_pawns_versus_rook
What about playing this position by skype or somehow else? White wins (giving the b-pawn), I am 100% sure. My skype is "patison4616".Gaz v pol (talk) 22:32, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not wasting my time on that. All you need is a chess engine. Besides, I have to do other chess-related off-wiki stuff. You also don't need to use a full URL, Rook and two pawns versus rook is proper link.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:39, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, what chess engine can you suggest? I am ready to install any chess engine you want and play this position with you (actually, I am sure White wins). I use Windows Vista. Thank you for the full URL comment.Gaz v pol (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I use Deep Fritz, which unfortunately isn't free.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. I do not know if there is any free software that allows to play chess via Internet starting from this particular position. If you will hear about such software, I will be happy to show you how White wins. I have thought about Fritz suggestion you mentioned before (advance the b-pawn to b7 when Black attacks it) and to my mind Fritz is wrong here. The _only_ possible way for White to win is to give the b-pawn at appropriate time, but on b6.Gaz v pol (talk) 22:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * How can Black draw with a pawn on b7? If Black takes it with rook, Black wins back a pawn but the h-pawn is unstoppable. A free open-source engine is Houdini (Google it).--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If White pawn goes to b7, Black should NOT take it (otherwise White wins easy). Black rook should stay on b line as long as possible (without going to b7) and Black draws. Well, that's not easy to explain in words (as you see my English is not good, sorry for this). I have googled Houdini, but it seems it's no longer free since version 2: http://www.cruxis.com/chess/houdini.htmGaz v pol (talk) 23:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Stockfish is an alternative engine. Black can't draw because White will simply push the h-pawn.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:18, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have tested to play with Fritz on the computer of my friend. As expected, all as I told you before. b7 draw (no need to get it), but if White give b-pawn (in appropriate time), White wins. Without giving b-pawn on b6 it seems there is no way to win. I explained all this to user Bubba73, and he agreed to change the example to the correct one. Just in case, I want to put one more example of rook with 2 pawns agains rook: mutual zugzwang. I will be happy to hear your comment about the following diagram. Thanks.Gaz v pol (talk) 07:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism Unit
Jasper, I know you are heavily involved with countering vandalism. I wonder if you could take a look at the recent overhaul of the CVU that went live earlier this month. I've only been peripherally involved, but have chipped in some formatting and thoughts in the ongoing discussions. As with most things here, it's been moving slowly, since most people have many other commitments, but if you have any feedback, it would be appreciated. And if you would like to join the project, I'm sure you would be a welcome addition. Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm actually a member of sorta a global CVU, see SWMT.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent, maybe you can add some information or open a discussion about SWMT at the CVU. Let me clarify. I'm not sure how much information you will get out of the CVU (although I'm sure there will be something). Rather, one of the focuses of the CVU is as a resource for assisting new vandalism patrollers and that's where I think you could help. If you would like to become an admin one day, this sort of work assisting other editors could be very advantageous to you. Perhaps you should get your mentor's thoughts on the idea. Mojoworker (talk) 16:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Small wiki adminship
How does one RfA on a small wiki like gothic wikipedia? Bleakgh (talk) 16:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Anything hosted on Wikia (or elsewhere) is each independently run, and has their own processes. Some of them you simply ask the person who runs it/started it.  Other larger ones may actually have some type of Wikipedia-type process.  Who knows, really. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 18:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * On many small wikis, if you don't get enough consensus you get temporary adminship for 6 months, after which you have to re-confirm it or lose it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

But who gives the person adminship? Is it the only currently active admin, who is towards the end of temporary adminship, or is it some other person? Bleakgh (talk) 19:23, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Stewards, especially when there are no local bureaucrats.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Some wikis have 'crats; the creator also commonly has all the powers.  Salvidrim!   23:53, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

IP version 6
Your sub-page has three problems from an end-user perspective: It's here on the English Wikipedia, it is far too technical and jargon-strewed for many administrators, and it mixes MediaWiki and Foundation server improvement issues with end-user information. Administrators on other WMF wikis are going to want to know about this stuff; they're going to be approaching it from the "Alright. I'm about to block one of these new-fangled long IP addresses.  What do I need to know?" direction; and they don't need to wade through pages of MediaWiki under-the-covers stuff to get at the parts dealing with what they see in their WWW browsers. So I've started m:User:Jonathan de Boyne Pollard/Guide to blocking IP version 6 addresses to provide an alternative, Foundation-wide, user guide approach, page to address that. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 00:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, your page has things wrong with it too; IPs don't have accounts either. Also, rangeblocking is not the norm unless it's needed. A /64 could cover a whole office building, for instance.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

TAP
Yeah, I was a little confused and then I saw that it was someone else asking for him, and it seemed reasonable. If you wanna open an AN discussion, please feel free, but I think it would be a bit too much drama for a beautiful Tuesday. Thanks for keeping an eye, though. (Btw, why are you not an admin? You've got clue...) Keilana | Parlez ici 21:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I won't open an AN discussion. He isn't going all over Wikimedia for it, which was the purpose of the earlier restriction. I actually have lapses in clue pretty often and don't have much content work so that's why adminship is not on my mind for now.--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm restricted from requesting them, but I am allowed to be nominated. Time to get stubbing! Regards, Thine Antique Pen (talk • contributions) 21:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, and thanks for the vote of confidence. :) Keilana | Parlez ici 21:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Strange
I noticed that you apparently like using Windows, so I was wondering, do you ever see the words on a page overlapping things like pictures, charts, and graphs????? I also have many other things happen, like it not saving my edits, and if you go to Talk: Scientific Alan 2 (not Talk: User: Scientific Alan 2) and look at the history, it shows many edits, when I only made the page, and changed one thing later. Also, once I couldn't edit pages, not from a block, but it would save my edit saying nothing was changed, thus destroying about 30 mins of work. Please tell me if these things ever happen to you, I'm getting annoyed by all the things it does, and I will go mad if I don't find a way to fix it. Also, Compatability View doesn't fix anything except the overlapping things, but it makes the edits not getting saved happen more.
 * Something's amiss on your side; I can edit OK. Try using Chrome (which is better for Javascript).--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:54, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Scientific Alan 2
Is deleting this going to make any difference????? Nobody will even notice it, except people who type in "Scientific Alan 2", but even then, they have to hit enter, since pages don't seem to show up in the search box unless there is a link to it in the same namespace, which there isn't. Anyway, one of my best friends is trying to find my talk page, so they can be taught how to edit pages (they are good at math, so they will be a big help), and they don't know that you need to add in "User:", but I can't tell them that they need to, since I only have met them once, and I don't have any way to talk to them with out this page showing them to my talk page. Scientific Alan 2 (talk) 04:38, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's just the policy on redirects. This could be confusing. If they don't know, tell them - making this redirect will only confuse them from learning the right way.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:40, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess your right, but there is a low chance I will see them again. If I do, I will teach them over the phone, once I get their #, which will be easy, since I know a way to write underwater (I met them in a pool): with a sharp shard to an old key, and a flat piece of plastic (or a tiny amount of fluroantimonic acid instead of a key shard, since a gallon would dissolve the Earth into a weird pudding), I will be able talk to them, and I'll finally have a life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scientific Alan 2 (talk • contribs) 04:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you mention Special:ListUsers to them?--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:00, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't know it existed, I've only been editing since November 29th of last year (192 days, or 1/23.5052083rd of my life, assuming I was born 1:28 am, which isn't near the right time). Now that I know it exists, they will edit Wikipedia soon, be with the most awesome person, ever and then they will be very unique (they were already unique, they had a friend barely save their life, blood makes them sick, and when I asked them how weird I am, they said that they wouldn't answer that since they thought I was cool)! I might meet them on monday, I know where to find them, all I need is to find the right time. —Preceding undated comment added 05:28, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Can you help me out?
Hi Jasper: I work for Microsoft and it has been pointed out that Windows Azure is listed as Azure Platform Services. Can you please revert back the move page i made so it's called out as "Windows Azure" and not Azure Platform Services? Windows Azure is our brand name and as an employee of Microsoft, I need to makes sure this sort of thing is documented correctly. Thanks -- Nicole Ghazal  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nclay76 (talk • contribs) 18:23, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Per WP:BRANDING we generally do not prefix Microsoft products with "Microsoft" unless it's absolutely needed. While Windows Azure may be the main brand of it, we also describe other products like Hyper-V Azure, etc., that lead me to question whether we can really call it all Windows Azure. As an employee of my favorite software company you may also want to read our relevant policy.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jasper: Thanks for your note back. I'm glad you're a fan of Microsoft. I completely agree with you on not mentioning Microsoft. I think the bigger issue here is that there's no such thing as "Azure Services Platform". The real name of the over arching product is "Windows Azure". Can you please change it back to this? I also read your article on branding however there are many instances where the product names is used like here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Whip.

Thanks so much for your help:) Nicole — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nclay76 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Great point, and thanks for bringing it up. In my opinion it may be good to move to Windows Azure, but here we encounter a problem: that page has a history so neither of us can make a move to that page title :(.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Hurray! I'm glad we agree -- thanks so much. So -- as a new administrator to the page, i changed it today to Microsoft Windows Azure, so i should be able to just change it back to Window Azure, just as you changed it to Azure Services Platform.. But i could be missing something as a newer wiki editor...? If you have any friends who have the magic to move the page to Windows Azure, that would be awesome... Let me know:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nclay76 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * (Be careful about saying that you are an "administrator" of the page) Here, we'd have to wait for administrators to delete the page currently taking the title we want. They'll be around sometime.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Right. I meant, editor (not administrator) :) Ok - i'll wait a few days and check back to see.

Thanks Nicole nclay76 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nclay76 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Watchlist notice re: IPv6
See MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-details, would like your input.  Equazcion  ( talk )  16:33, 14 Jun 2012 (UTC)

A totally non-WP related query
Jasper, I know that you are into this sort of thing and so hope that you do not mind me asking even though it has absolutely nothing to do with WP. Do you have any idea what happened to the "missing letters" in the wi-fi standards? We have "b", "g" and "n". But where are "a", "c" to "f", etc. Were they failed/draft proposals? The answer probably does lie in one of the articles here but, hey, if you do not mind being compared to a horse's mouth then I would be grateful for a short answer ... Someone asked me, so I am asking you! - Sitush (talk) 00:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Neither do I know :( . My suspicion is that the missing letters are in-between versions that never actually get approved for production.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn! I am supposed to know everything. And when I do not know something, I am supposed to know someone who does  I will do some trawling, or perhaps one of your techie stalkers may have the answer? It seems that you and I have the same basic thought, but if they keep skipping letters like this then we will soon need a new nomenclature. - Sitush (talk) 00:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you considered asking at a Wikipedia reference desk?--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tomorrow. Time for bed. - Sitush (talk) 00:49, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Lots of IEEE standards before/between the published ones. Conflicting numbers and letters...thus we get stuff like 802.3ad (link aggregation) confused with things like 802.1ad (q-in-q, basically if you want to tunnel VLANs over another 802.1q VLAN.) Missing letters? There are none, really, just that some got skipped, e.g. if some standards working group couldn't agree on a certain "letter." But this really doesn't mean much towards the current standards. Quite honestly, don't worry about all the silly IEEE standards, past what's currently available. They'll certainly change over the years, as they have in the past, as far as best common practices go... – 2001:db8:: (rfc &#124; diff) 03:29, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You'd be valuable at Reference desk/Computing :) .--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:43, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Random IPv6 stuff
Hi Jasper, After my recent rant that you replied to, I'm actually thinking of getting back to editing a bit...

Are there any IPv6-related pages that need editing/technical cleanup/etc at the moment? I'd be happy to contribute and/or fix technical issues on existing pages. 03:21, 16 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:db8 (talk • contribs)
 * Join WP:WikiProject IPv6 Readiness. Be prepared to answer questions about IPv6 - there'll be many. I'm very glad you decided not to leave; in fact, I valued your contributions to help me write my documentation that's now almost official in trustworthiness and usage.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:24, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Talkback
(Sorry if this redundant, I'm still trying to figure out how to use a proper Wikipedia plugin to make Talkback stuff work properly...)

Onthetendencyofspecies.pdf
Jasper,

I put this file on wikimedia in order to upload it on to Wikisource. So I'm not quite sure why you are complaining about it. What project are you referring to?

In fact I have a problem in that I inadvertently loaded it onto mediawiki and so when I created the page on ws it couldn't find the file and there seems to be no recovery procedure. So I'll probably have to reload it anyway. Chris55 (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please use Wikimedia Commons.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, my mistake. Chris55 (talk) 07:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Chess
In case you're getting tired of playing two pieces down against TopGun... Double sharp (talk) 13:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, especially since another editor messed up my tactic that would've won back a piece.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That was 23...d6!, right? I'm amazed the next guy didn't notice that TopGun's knight was hanging and snapped it with 24...Bxh3. Instead he probably thought you were making aimless pawn moves and played 24...h6?, allowing TopGun to say "25.Nf4...lol, knight was open!" Yet another blunder with Magog the Ogre's 26...Rd8?? allowed 27.Ne7+, making White two pieces up(!) and making it pretty pointless to continue. Double sharp (talk) 11:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. Wouldn't 32...Ke5! have won back a piece? Double sharp (talk) 11:29, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I wish the chess championship were revived. This time we had better put a disclaimer there that it will need commitment. Would you prefer it to stick to the double-elimination format or use something else? Double sharp (talk) 12:34, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer a swiss or round-robin format, for personal reasons.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:40, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Article view/link count?
So, I started editing some IPv6 stuff...and I figured I'd ask you since you've been helpful. :) Is there some useful way to list or see articles in a category by hits/links/some aggregated metric? I'm wondering if there's a way to, say, see all IPv6-related articles with how "important" they are, so I know what's most in need of editing! (And if not, I guess move this to the IPv6 project talk page and succinctly list out what's important/needing editing?) – 2001:db8:: (rfc &#124; diff) 07:25, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Polish toolserver IPv6 range
It's   « Saper // @talk »  07:49, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's how we're going to create an exception:
 * Unblock 2001:41d0::/32
 * Block 2001:41d0:8000::/33
 * Block 2001:41d0:4000::/34
 * Block 2001:41d0:2000::/35
 * Block 2001:41d0:1000::/36
 * Block 2001:41d0:800::/37
 * Block 2001:41d0:400::/38
 * Block 2001:41d0:200::/39
 * Block 2001:41d0:100::/40
 * Block 2001:41d0:0080::/41
 * Block 2001:41d0:0040::/42
 * Block 2001:41d0:0020::/43
 * Block 2001:41d0:0010::/44
 * Block 2001:41d0:0008::/45
 * Block 2001:41d0:0004::/46
 * Block 2001:41d0::/47
 * Block 2001:41d0:0003::/48
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:8000::/49
 * Block 2001:41d0:2::/50
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:4000::/51
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:6000::/52
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7800::/53
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7400::/56
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7000::/54
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7600::/55
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7580::/57
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7540::/58
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7500::/59
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7538::/61
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7200::/60
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7534::/62
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7532::/63
 * Block 2001:41d0:2:7531::/64
 * Yep, that's how much work it takes to make an exception (requiring the use of (original block size - exception size) blocks).--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

My IPv6 range
My personal IPv6 range at OVH (I guess gblocked as well) is. Thank you in advance! « Saper // @talk » 07:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless you run bots on it it probably can't be given an exception :( .--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Feedback on ANI complaint
Jasper, I have noticed that you were the only other editor to respond to my complaint about Ihardlythinkso on the ANI board. Since this is the first time I have ever had recourse to that board, should I just wait, or request additional editor feedback? I think the topic is in danger of being archived. Thanks ahead of time.ChessPlayerLev (talk) 01:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * At this point there is little hope of action against Ihardlythinkso, because the issue is now mostly stale. I do hope we get third-party feedback, though.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Global bans policy discussion
At meta:Requests for comment/Global bans, where you have commented in support of Option 2, a third option has recently been implemented. The first two options did not prove a way for respondents to indicate that they oppose global bans entirely, i.e., that it is not possible to write a meaningful global bans policy that would attract their support. Option 3 is intended to provide that opportunity, and to aid in distinguishing between people who oppose the proposed policy because it requires improvements and those who oppose the proposed policy because no policy permitting global bans should be adopted.

Because the third section was added late by a respondent, it is possible that some people who responded early in the RFC have commented at option 2, but would really prefer to support option 3, or support both. If so, you may voluntarily choose to move your original comment or to or strikethrough your original comment and add new comments. This is a courtesy notice of the change, and there is no requirement that you take any action. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:49, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

re Bear
User:Jasper Deng, apparently you have no sense of humor? I didn't object to the "Don't Poke the Bear" reference at all, in fact, "I resemble that remark" (was concurrence, not resentment). However, I do object to your block recommendation of me, as I've committed no blocking offense by any stretch, unless there is prejudice brought to bear (no pun intended), and I think there has been plenty of that. Others have been totally and offensively uncivil numerous times, and it gets totally overlooked or dismissed. Though I'm a believer in civility, please don't assume I have any respect left for civility enforcement at WP, because in fact, I don't, and can't, given what I've seen and experienced. Civil policy at WP is a total, laughed-at joke, that is plain to see. Regards, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 18:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ihardlythinkso, refusing to drop the stick on a 6-month-old incident and not taking personal responsibility, regardless of whether it's about civility or not, is blockworthy. You'd do well to not badger people about things like block recommendations, because that simply is WP:STICK - and almost WP:POINT.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm confused, Jasper. Do you see any evidence of WP:STICK at Talk:Paul Morphy? Or where do you mean? It was User:ChessPlayerLev's idea to drag in kitchen sinks from the past, as much and as many as he could find, in questionable fashion as well. (Wasn't that WP:STICK? You got me confused.) But I did not intend a dialgue with you here, if you wanted to, it'd have to be off-wiki. I don't like to continue with it, I promised others I would not bother editors on their Talks, including you. For the record I left my view. Not my intent to enter argumentation with you. Bye. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 19:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * In some ways, yes. I saw both of you edit warring when you two could've just as easily discussed on the talk page. In general though, the one rule you must follow on a wiki is that the community is always right. No matter what your views on the policy are and no matter how obviously correct they may seem, you must always go with the flow of the community.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Jasper, get a grip. (How can you possibly justify "edit warring", when I reverted a bold add according to WP:BRD, and followed not only letter but spirit of that policy? Man! This shows your bias towards me. You are not objective, that's clear.) Regarding the rest of your response, I understand the concept and value of consensus. I have no idea what you are trying to say. None. (And, I'm not intentionally being obtuse.) If you want at all to discuss with me, I'm all for off-wiki. But not here. (Otherwise, down comes an axe about "contentious, disruptive editing" and other such BS abusive stuff, which I've had enough of to say the least.) Goodbye. No more adds, please. My Email is *on*. Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about January here... where you and ChessPlayerLev made 6 reverts each. If you don't want to continue this discussion on-wiki, then stop replying here, unwatch my talk page - simple as that.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * OMG! (The six-months ago reverts.) Yes. I was completely in the wrong. (So was he.) My reverts were emotionally-based, and I completely condemn myself for them. (Is that "taking responsibility" enough for you? Where-oh-where-oh-where, Jasper Deng, did you fathom that I did not, or would not, take personal responsibility for my childish and unprofessional actions then? I have no idea how you come to conclude/accuse "won't take responsibility"; that's unfair, untrue.) Are we done now? Ihardlythinkso (talk) 19:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Personal responsibility" is needed not for the edit warring, but the fact that you badger everyone who disagrees with you - did you really have to visit The Blade of the Northern Light's talk page after he closed the ANI thread? Think about it: why did ChessPlayerLev get intimidated enough to open an ANI thread? Did you think of any steps you could've taken to avoid a trip to ANI?--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Did BNL really have to compare me to a "10-yr. old"? I'm not interested to discuss your over-generalized accuses. Or CPL's behavior. For I feel your points are aggressively biased. Bye. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 20:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)