User talk:Jax 0677/Archive 6

Nomination for deletion of Template:Suicide City
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Accept the Gift of Sin
No need - since it was just a redirect, the article itself remains in the history. You can find the text at the most recent revision prior to the redirect - here. Best, UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:41, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've not really had a chance to have a look for any information- I will hopefully find some time eventually. J Milburn (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by airline
Do you intend to complete splitting this article? Op47 (talk) 21:05, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Yes!--Jax 0677 (talk) 21:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * When? I note that you have carried on editing like this in December. I further note that when I and others have reverted you per WP:BRD you have reverted and demanded that your sub articles be taken to AfD. AfD is not the forum for determining this sort of thing. I did not revert your edits with the intention of doing nothing but to discuss the way forward since I have great reservations regarding your strategy and especially with the timescales that you are adopting. I agree that some articles it is a no brainer that a long list should be split by letter. I do not understand why when you start editing an article like this you cannot finish the article. I am sorry to say, but I find your current methods tendentious and disruptive. I would appreciate it if you would at least complete those articles that you tagged in November before starting to split any other articles. I would rather work with you rather than against you, but that is not possible with your current methods. Op47 (talk) 18:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - OK, to the extent that I can recall which articles I split, I will try to work on articles that I split in November, to the extent that the community desires splitting, if it is simple to split. On articles such as Arab Spring, the community wanted a split.  I made a split on Arab Spring which has been reverted, so I left "split-apart" tags on the articles while giving up on splitting the rest.  I will try to assume that from here on out that "no consensus" to split means that the article does not get divided at this time.--Jax 0677 (talk) 20:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I am relieved to hear that. Regarding recalling which articles you have split, I think you may need to re-visit then following:

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 * List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1975–1999) ✅
 * 2012–13 UEFA Europa League qualifying phase and play-off round (pending outcome of discussion)
 * Opinion polling for the United States House of Representatives elections in the Northeastern United States, 2010
 * Opinion polling for the United States House of Representatives elections in the Western United States, 2010
 * Opinion polling for the United States House of Representatives elections in the Southern United States, 2010
 * 2012–13 UEFA Champions League qualifying phase and play-off round (pending outcome of discussion)
 * List of Lepidoptera of Austria ✅
 * List of butterflies of Austria ✅
 * List of Euphorbia species ✅
 * Tennis performance timeline comparison (women) ✅
 * Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election ✅ (dismissed)
 * 2010–11 UEFA Europa League qualifying phase and play-off round (pending outcome of discussion)
 * List of German football transfers summer 2011 ✅ (dismissed)
 * List of television series notable for negative reception (pending outcome of discussion)
 * Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster ✅ (leaving tags in place due to size)
 * International public opinion on the war in Afghanistan ✅
 * List of Wesleyan University people (pending outcome of discussion)
 * List of file formats (alphabetical) ✅
 * Historical list of ten largest countries by GDP ✅
 * History of Western civilization (leaving split tag until discussion is finalized)
 * European sovereign-debt crisis ✅
 * Bahá'í Faith by country ✅
 * 2010–12 NCAA conference realignment ✅
 * List of battles involving France ✅
 * List of University of California, Berkeley alumni ✅
 * List of Canadian plays ✅
 * Deepwater Horizon oil spill (leaving split tag until discussion is finalized)
 * Plasmodium falciparum biology (leaving split tag until discussion is finalized)
 * List of Columbia University people ✅
 * List of United States Representatives from New York ✅
 * List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens ✅
 * 2003 in Afghanistan (leaving split tag until discussion is finalized)
 * Statewide opinion polling for the Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012 ✅
 * List of English words of French origin ✅
 * List of English writers (split opposed)
 * List of Arabic loanwords in English (split opposed)
 * Sexuality in ancient Rome (split opposed)
 * Erich Raeder (leaving split tag until discussion is finalized)
 * Marele câștigător ✅
 * List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by airline ✅
 * England at the 2010 Commonwealth Games ✅
 * List of My Little Pony characters ✅
 * United States at the 2011 Pan American Games (leaving split tag until discussion is finalized)
 * Legion of Doom (hacking) ✅
 * List of fictional United States presidencies of historical figures ✅
 * Austrian legislative election, 2008 ✅
 * List of current constituent monarchs ✅
 * Greek government-debt crisis (pending outcome of discussion)
 * List of French words of Germanic origin ✅
 * List of Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees ✅
 * Characters of the Mass Effect universe (pending outcome of discussion)
 * Statewide opinion polling for the Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012 ✅
 * Octoechos ✅
 * Hong Kong legislative election, 2012 ✅
 * 2012 in American television ✅
 * List of best-selling music artists ✅
 * 2011–12 UEFA Europa League qualifying phase and play-off round ✅
 * List of Heartbeat episodes ✅
 * News media phone hacking scandal reference lists ✅
 * Japan at the 2010 Asian Games ✅
 * Armenians in Cyprus (pending outcome of discussion)
 * List of moths of the Iberian Peninsula ✅
 * Port of Tianjin ✅
 * List of fiction works made into feature films ✅
 * Ancestry charts of the current British Royal Family ✅
 * List of Marvel Family enemies ✅
 * China at the 2010 Asian Games ✅
 * List of moths of Italy ✅

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 * Regarding "to the extent that the community desires splitting", if there is overhwhelming desire to split then yes the comminity probably desires a split. If there is no reply though then that may just mean people were not available to look at your proposal and when they come back are very shocked to find the article cut up. I would certainly try be tolerant of people in those situations.
 * Personally, my intrest in this is because I have been monitoring the list of articles with split tags and trying to sort them out. My policy has been to leave a clear month between a tag being placed and doing anything (e.g. If a tag is placed in January, I wait until March to do something). Even then I get people who complain for one reason and another. Usually they quickly sort things out. If you did the same then I think people will start to see you as being more reasonable. Not only that, but I will be there to give a second opinion and do some of the splitting. I think it would also be useful not to be ">100Mb police" about it. There are some articles that nomatter what will be >100Mb. As was pointed out, it is advice not a mandate. If you look on my talk page you will find some advice that SilkTork gave me. In particular, any split off article should be independently notable.
 * You may notice that I split off List of Asilidae species. I am not saying it is perfect, but there are a few points that you may want to look at:


 * The edit summaries clearly say split. I am very surprised that patrollers don't try to speedy delete you more often.
 * The scheme considered the topic at hand. For a long itemised list like this then I think it is worth splitting by individual letter. In this case, the original auther started like that. If its the name with small amount of text such as tv character lists then maybe plitting by chunck would be a better idea.
 * Each page has a pointer back to the parent article and a list of the other articles in the set. With hindsight, I should have created a template rather than cut and paste. You live and learn
 * Also, I did not mention it on AfD because it may sound snide, but when you did this article originaly, you lost all of the entries begining with L. You would be well advised to check that the other articles in the list are complete before putting them to bed.
 * re "if it is simple to split" if an article is not simple then would you put it back and then maybe I wil have a look? Sometimes a split is not the answer. There are other people who would help as well.
 * I hope this all helps. Op47 (talk) 23:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Post to prevent automatic archiving at this time. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Post to prevent automatic archiving at this time. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Post to prevent automatic archiving at this time. --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Post to prevent automatic archiving at this time. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Post to prevent automatic archiving at this time. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:53, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Post to prevent automatic archiving at this time. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

 Reply  - All articles that I proposed for splitting have been dispositioned. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:56, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Against All Will
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Samsides13
Yes that page should well be split it is huge great idea get back to me if it happens ss 11/04/13 17:10

==Sam sides Thanks for the welcome message i will hopefully contribute to the wikipedia world and fight against vandalism definately and also hope to speak to you soon--Samsides13 (talk) 17:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Sam sides
Thank you for the welcome message hope to hear from you soon--Samsides13 (talk) 17:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Please...
Why this redirect so close after removal? The Banner talk 16:23, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Per this article, "Appropriate redirects from the subject's name and entries in disambiguation pages should be created to help readers find such information." Additionally, redirects are cheap. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * But even cheap redirects can create an image of gaming the system! The Banner talk 17:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - That is what the title is, and it is not a disambiguation page. On what specific grounds is the redirect objectionable? --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:08, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Gaming the system. The Banner talk 23:03, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - The AfD says "The result was Speedy Deleted under A9. Album titles are generally redirected to the artist, so putting a redirect here is logical. If you wish to discuss the redirect, you may wish to head over to Redirects for discussion." Thank you! --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Requests for improvement

 * Template:Cavalera Conspiracy: Tours are not equal to individual festivals, so the list is misleading.
 * Template:Uproar Festival: according to the template outdated and inaccurate
 * Template:Against All Will: underlying articles The Drug I Need and All About You (Against All Will song) have notability and sourcing problems. Cello Dias has sourcing problems, Steve "Boomstick" Wilson is a oneliner that fails to make clear that he is notable (as notability is not inherited from other bands) and A Rhyme & Reason has notability and sourcing problems. So all links have problems. When challenged (and deleted) the template will fall below the threshold.

Sorry to be so harsh, but quality prevails. The Banner talk 13:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

 Reply  - I have taken the following actions
 * 1) Removed entire tours section from "Template:Cavalera Conspiracy"
 * 2) "Template:Uproar Festival" was up to date at the time that I created it.  If I am responsible for keeping the navbox up to date for an indefinite period of time, please show me where it says that this is the case, as I do not believe that I am responsible for this task.
 * 3) Because others have edited the articles within "Template:Against All Will", I have placed "merge to" tags on Wilson, TDIN, AAY and AR&R to assist in reaching  consensus .  I did not write Cello Dias. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:09, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Officially there is indeed no need to maintain a page/template/category you have created. But often the original author is supposed to give some extra care to his own creations. On the other hand, it is good to know that you don't care about your older creations. The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 22:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  -  "There is a very simple solution to all that: Change it! All you have to do is to click "edit", make the necessary changes, and save the changes, writing in the edit summary that you are updating the information. If you do not wish to make the effort to do that yourself but you know it needs to be done, you can also place update on the top of the page of section. To consider a page for deletion on the basis that it is not up to date is to demolish the house while it is being built."  --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Stop splitting articles!
Please stop splitting articles its irritating to those who want to view a single page instead of a messy list of fragments many of the articles you split were better off as a whole instead of having heir information scattered Irishfrisian (talk) 01:20, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - I have conferred with the WP community before splitting the articles that I divided. Also, please read WP:CIVIL. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:23, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Done! &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 13:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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2010–13 NCAA conference realignment
I recently saw that you have been splitting off sections of this article into their own individual articles. Do you think that you could help split off the men's and women's ice hockey section as well? I think that and the remaining major FBS conference sections (e.g. ACC, Pac-12) are noteworthy enough to deserve their own articles. There are also a few other lengthy sections (e.g. WCC, Patriot, Big Sky) that could be considered as well. Finally, I feel that DII and DIII should be lumped together in an article and split, as well as softball and wrestling (maybe in a "minor sports" article). Oneforfortytwo (talk) 04:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

 Reply  - I think that splitting off the largest sections first where possible is the best approach in this case, as these are most likely to be notable. We can discuss on the talk page. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Albums and stubs
Hallo, yesterday I stub-sorted all the Aria albums you'd labelled as stubs, irritated each time by having to move stub away from the wrong place you'd put it (it goes right at the end, per WP:ORDER). I wondered whether they were really stubs, but decided that as they had no critical or "reception" content I'd leave it. Definition from WP:STUB: "A stub is an article containing only one or a few sentences of text that, although providing some useful information, is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, and that is capable of expansion."

Today I notice you've labelled a group of Joan Armatrading albums as stubs. The first one I look at, Joan Armatrading (album), is not a stub. It has a lot of content, including a "reception" section. The second one ... Me Myself I, OK, just about a stub. But please put the stub tag in the right place, and don't tag articles as stubs if they aren't. Thanks. Pam D  08:25, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


 * And Walk Under Ladders already had 1980s-pop-album-stub: adding stub was totally inappropriate as it just wastes the time of stub-sorters. I can see it's easy to just paste a chunk of usually-right stuff into a batch of articles, but please take more care. Thanks. Pam  D  08:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Sorry about that Pam. I will try to take more care in the future. --Jax 0677 (talk) 10:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Triumph Group for deletion
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 *  Reply  - Post to enable archiving. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

re: the Deriek Crouse redirect

 *  Reply  - Post to enable archiving. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Unnamed Section

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A page you started has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating Overview of the Arab Spring, Jax 0677!

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 *  Reply  - Post to enable archiving. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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Smokey's Haunt
I see that you created the Smokey's Haunt article as a redirect to the Urthboy section last November. Since there's actually a section for Urthboy and that is more relevant, I've amended the redirect to point there. I was wondering whether either of you might be intending to turn Smokey's Haunt into a full-blown article, as you'd marked it as "temp" in the edit summary. Someone ought to, but I thought you might have an interest. —sroc (talk) 14:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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Proposal: topic ban for Jax 0677 regarding templates
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How did you get power on wikipedia?
Hey I notice their is allot of vandalism, and like you guys I wanted to collaborate on making Wikipedia a better place. How can I get started?

--PirateBlast (talk) 02:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

 Reply  - I am not too familiar with this page, but you might visit WP:GOCE to find out more about copyediting. I hope this helps. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Question
Why would you place a template noting that an editor was a new user on the talk page of an editor who registered in December 2012 and has nearly 3000 edits? --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 23:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

 Reply  - Sorry bout that. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And this one? What criteria are you using to determine whether an editor is a new user prior to tagging user pages? --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 23:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

 Reply  - Sadly, if the talk was short, I tagged them as new. Perhaps I should only START talk pages with tianu and wtw. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Having a short talk page is not necessarily related to how long someone has been around. I would suggest not tagging any pages at all until you can come up with a reliable method for checking how long an editor has been around and how many edits they have made. Even then adding a template as a header on another editor's userpage seems....ill advised. --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 01:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, another problem with accuracy and policies, Jax? Are you trying to get a second topic ban?  <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 03:17, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Banner, don't you think coming down on me like a ton of bricks every time I make a mistake is getting just a little out of hand? My proposal now is to check for edit histories less than one month before posting Template:wtw on someone's talk page.  Thank you Ponyo for bringing this to my attention! --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Help
Dear Jax 0677, thank you for the post. Exactly true, I am already struggeling. I created my first article about a company. I checked the pages [D. Medical Industries] [Motorex] and [Synthes]. I wrote the article in a similar manner, now another user:INeverCry deleted it. It was just written that the article violetes (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion).and nothing else. Is now the whole work gone? What can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichelleLily14 (talk • contribs) 06:48, 27 May 2013 (UTC)  Reply  - Don't forget to sign your posts. Also, you can ask the closing administrator to place the article in your user space where you can work on it until it is ready to go to main space. You may wish to read WP:IDEALSTUB to get an idea of the minimum that an article should contain before going to main space. I hope this helps. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC) Help 2nd - Sorry I was so upset because of the article. Many thanks, for the help. I have my article back in my sandbox. Where can I post it that other useres check it if it is ok now? --MichelleLily14 (talk) 07:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)  Reply  - I'll quote what another user told me months ago in archive 1 of my talk page:

'' WP:Your first article is a good guide worth studying, and so is the WP:FAQ/Organizations.

After adding sources, I suggest you ask for comments at WP:Requests for feedback before moving the article back into the main encyclopedia. '' --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:34, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

List of Train Songs: Removed Article Size template
Hi, Jax 0677: I am writing to inform you that I have removed the Article Size template from the List of train songs article. I've posted an explanation of the grounds for removal on the article's Talk page. I would appreciate your feedback, including any objections you may have. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 16:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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