User talk:Jay Pegg

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User:Jay Pegg/Merlin
The above subpage has been created for you to look over the deleted article. Please feel free to alter it to the state you think it should have, and then simply cut & paste it to the desired article title (was Merlin (bicycles).  SkierRMH  ( talk ) 03:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In case you do recreated the artcile, please drop SkierRMH or me a note to also restore the previous edit history. In case you do not want to follow-up, please mark it with for deletion.--Tikiwont (talk) 08:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The subpage has been returned to the article space and the user sub-page has been deleted. Thanks much!  SkierRMH  ( talk ) 00:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

List of professional sportspeople convicted of crimes
I'm going to remove Bowyer - generally the agreed criteria for the list is individuals who have had to serve prison time - otherwise the list would be overrun with drunk driving convictions and domestic disputes. Also - was Higuita convicted of a crime, or just accused of one?  Citi Cat   ♫ 13:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't mind removing Bowyer that as long there is a criteria written as an article heading which is the biggest issue of this article. Higuita was according to sources until it was quashed later, which is the same case for Hurricane the boxer. Jay Pegg (talk) 14:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Finding the correct wording for the into has been tricky (see the talk section) - any thoughts you have on that would be welcomed. The only question about Higuita is whether he was convicted and sentenced before having the charges dismissed.  Citi Cat   ♫ 14:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This source states: The charge of illegal profiting was dropped last week, but Higuita must stand trial for withholding information and this was published in May 23, 1994, his prison sentence was in 1993, as this source says. Jay Pegg (talk) 14:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well according to the article on here, he was released without having ever technically being charged. But I don't want to nit-pick, so I'll stop bugging you about it. Cheers!  Citi Cat   ♫ 14:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * According to his article on here, he was released after being held without charge. But I don't want to nit-pick, so I'm not going to bug you about him any more.  Citi Cat   ♫ 14:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but I would have to question Woodgate's inclusion. I don't know if they have a division in England like in the States (misdemeanor and felony), but I'm not sure the charge of Affray would be the "serious" criteria. (By serious I mean in comparison to other crimes. Have you checked out the talk page yet?  Citi Cat   ♫ 22:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For the Woodgate case, therefore I'm not sure what the US equivalent is but it is considered to be a prisonable offence (the same case for the singer Cheryl Cole, who would had a prison sentence had they not had the money for a decent lawyer).


 * Reading the talk bit, I am realising that as this list is getting complex, therefore I excluded any traffic offence such as speeding unless the person is imprisoned for it as in the UK, traffic violation is not considered to be a serious offence, they have to reach 12 points in their license or drive over 100mph on public road to receive a ban. I'm not sure if in the US, DUI is considered to be a criminal offence, but I know in the UK, a prison sentence can be imposed on it if a driver is caught whilst banned or kills or seriously maims a person whilst driving, which is the case for Naseem Hamed.


 * As I have already added my bit on the talk bit, I think Phil Taylor is worth including considering he has a criminal conviction, plus getting a community service (for Harding's case) is better than being labelled a pervert for several years by the court.


 * I personally, think, if we were to exclude those who did not go to prison, then I would suggest the title List of professional sportspeople who have been imprisoned for crimes, that will make the article less complex. Jay Pegg (talk) 10:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * DUI laws vary greatly of course, but usually a first offender will not receive jail time, unless serious injury or death to another party results. And of course, being famous doesn't hurt with the sentence either. When I started this list I was using the criteria of having committed felonies, not realizing that was an American only term (yes, I know, typical American). The ideal title for the article would be "sportspeople who have been convicted and sentenced to prison", but that's really unwieldy. It also involves the difference between "jail" (a local lockup for short term holding) and "prison" (long term detention). Again, I don't know if that's an American only difference. I certainly don't want to give the impression I feel I "own" the article, I just don't want it to be deleted for being too broad a list. Anyway, do what you think is best, I'm glad to read it. Oh, one final note - Tanya Harding probably doesn't belong (and I didn't add her), but since her case gathered such a huge amount of publicity in the U.S. I thought it might deserve an exception. Best,  Citi Cat   ♫ 21:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Nick Hogan
I'd like to take Hogan out. I guess by some definition he could be considered professional, but I don't think he's ever actually made money, and by the same definition a guy who competes in a bowling tournament would be considered professional if he wins a prize. Nick's fairly (in)famous (at least in the states), and I don't think any of the many people who known of him would consider him a professional sportsman. Let me know what you think.  Citi Cat   ♫ 16:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I definitely don't thing he should be on the page. If you look at the AFDs for the article, the important thing is that the information is in some way relevant outside the article. In other words, people interested in athletes who committed crimes, or footballers who committed crimes, or auto racers who committed crimes would have a resource. I don't think Hogan fits.  Citi Cat   ♫ 22:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I will have to agree with you as I am beginning to feel reluctant to include him in considering he is as much of a professional sportsman as Paul Newman is, therefore I'll stick to people who are notable primarily as sportspeople. Jay Pegg (talk) 22:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "as much of a professional sportsman as Paul Newman is"? When you're entered at the 24h of Daytona at 70 & when you've been 2d at LeMans in a 935, you're a racing driver; acting's just a day job. Put 'em in.  TREKphiler   hit me ♠  07:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
First off, let me applaud your efforts here. You've done a bunch of really good work. OTOH, posting a notice on the talk page is a bit unnecessary. Most editors with the page on their watchlist will recognize Saucy McFoodlefist as vandalism, rv, & warn anyhow. (I would've, if I'd seen it; I must have missed it...) FYI, FWIW. TREKphiler  hit me ♠  07:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer no split, 'cause I see it as a "master list", for people who know the nickname, but not the player name. (That's why I opposed the breaking into sports, too; there will be people who don't even know that much.) There's been a bit of debate on this, & AFAIK, there's no firm consensus, but it's been left as is, & I'd be happy with that. I don't strong oppose a split, either, but I think it's more sensible as is. And let me add thanks for all the bullfighters & others I never heard of. ;D I had no idea there were so many nicknames... Oh, & no worries about the delay. You've looked pretty busy, & I didn't really need an answer.  TREKphiler   hit me ♠  00:11 & 00:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Speed racer
I won't argue it, but I wonder if changing "racer" to "racing" in the BMXrs makes sense. You're describing the rider, not the sport, so it's a bit like saying "football playing", no?  TREKphiler   hit me ♠  07:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm not clear. It's not categorizing I'm objecting to, it's a style issue. If they're in Freestyle BMX, say, they'd be Freestyle BMX racers, no? The links go there anyhow; it's just the piped section changes (as noted for football).  TREKphiler   hit me ♠  07:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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