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Kilgour Matas
Jayen, could you kindly review the Kilgour Matas article in userspace, when you can pull out a few minutes. I have updated the lede a bit, and also added a couple of news sources to the "Response" section. Dilip rajeev (talk) 14:06, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Dilip, thanks for letting me know of the update. I'll review and get back to you. -- JN 466  23:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Jayen, my email is dilip.rajeev@gmail.com. I can make the improvements you pointed, before tomorrow end. Also, if you come across some additional good sources, kindly let me know, or, if you can find time, please add the info to the article. Thanks again, Dilip rajeev (talk) 17:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Swim ~
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Thanks,  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 13:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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Hawley Harvey Crippin
Hi Jayen.

What do you think about  this Hawley Harvey Crippen article? Me and User:TFOWR are thinking as a project to raise it up to FA. Would you like to join in or if your busy just oversee the improvements? Off2riorob (talk) 17:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Rob. I am definitely up for helping with proofreading, copyediting, ref formating and the like. I am currently still busy with work, and have to finish work on another article (Siege of Godesberg (1583)) first, but once that is done, I can also help researching sources. -- JN 466  18:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Great. I am also fairly occupied in real life at the moment so there is no hurry. I will let TFOWR know and we can look to reviewing the article to determine what will be required. Regards and happy holiday Spring bank holiday. Best wishes. Off2riorob (talk) 23:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Working the weekend, I'm afraid. And the bank holiday. :) No rest for the wicked, as they say. -- JN 466  00:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * 'ello, all!
 * Just to add a "me, too!" to the "busy-until-after-the-long-weekend" comments. Glad you're both up for it, it's one of those articles that surprises me it's not got the FA treatment already - first arrest by telegraph, etc etc. Anyway, glad we're all on board, and looking forward to working together soon! TFOWRpropaganda 10:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Max Lossen
this might be the illusive volume 2. I cannot tell. Auntieruth55 (talk) 23:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Judging by the title, it sounds like it could be both volumes. Cf. . Interesting. -- JN 466  23:16, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's got 812 pages. If this is the first volume (it doesn't mention Godesberg, at least not in that spelling), then it can't be both volumes, because the first volume has 781 pages already, according to google books. It could be the first volume again, with a preface added. -- JN  466  23:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Amazon listing:, $30. Still no idea if it is vol. 1 or vol. 2, though. -- JN 466  00:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You know, I am pretty sure this is the first volume that is available for free here: . These fly-by-night publishers (note the cover for the thing!) just jump on the bandwagon when google releases a scan of an out-of-copyright work. -- JN 466  00:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Sufism: Preeminent Sufis
Hi!

We seem to have once again an outbreak of people adding their favorite lesser-known Sufi saints to this section. I deleted the last two additions, referencing the previous Talk page discussion in my edit summary. The guy who added one of the saints reverted this edit, calling it "intended vandalism". Wonder if you'd care to once again take a look at the additions, and see what you feel?

Thanks! --Sarabseth (talk) 14:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Jayen, for taking the time to look into this. Much appreciated!  --Sarabseth (talk) 20:26, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pleasure, any time. I suggest we just always refer to google books in these cases. If there are thousands of books covering the person, they go in, and if there aren't, they don't. -- JN 466  20:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

KM Reports
Hi Jayen, Just to let you know I have made the additions you suggested to the Kilgour-Matas page in userspace. Thank you, Dilip rajeev (talk) 11:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

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Siege
this looks good. are we ready to go? Auntieruth55 (talk) 01:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bear with me. I will still put in some material from Ennen, Potthoff and Floß about the course of the Siege. I'll do it today. -- JN 466  16:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No hurry. I just figured neither of us had worked on it in a while, and wondered if it was done. Auntieruth55 (talk) 19:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I found Dr. Floss's name, so I added it. I don't think we need the publication date after his name, since we only have one source by him.  I couldn't find the first Potthoff mention. i like the details you've found! Auntieruth55 (talk) 22:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've removed a number of the superfluous publication years. As you say, we only need them for disambiguation. The reason I mentioned Floß and Potthoff by name in that one sentence was that what they said seemed to contradict Ferdinand's letter, written 15 December, who said they'd reached the outer wall the day prior (Dec 14), not Dec. 6. But I think it is okay as it is now ... -- JN 466  22:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

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PSTS
Hi, I am currently involved in a proposal for a guideline on primary, secondary and tertiary sources. I have just discovered that you were once involved in a similar proposal a while ago - either in contributing to it directly or in discussing it on its talk page. You may wish to get involved in the current proposal and I would encourage you to do so - even if you just want to point out where we have gone wrong! Yaris678 (talk) 23:40, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up. -- JN 466  00:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

J.P Fogg?
Was trying to figure out which Wellington (School/college/academy) belongs to this child in Ramsey Weston Phipps when I ran into this article: Wellington School, Bebington. Wasn't there some character creating info about Fogg that was bogus? auntieruth (talk) 23:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There was, but that was Hannibal Fogg. J P Fogg seems to be bona fide: -- JN  466  03:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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 * Thanks Xeno, much appreciated. -- JN 466  17:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for James A. Beckford
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Footie
England and Germany football rivalry- > > Germany and England could I hear meet in the next phase. Sunday at Free State Stadium best of luck (not) no pressure Off2riorob (talk)
 * :) Yes, Sunday 3pm. 2010_FIFA_World_Cup_schedule. Looking forward to it. Should be an interesting match. England deserved to win in 1990; perhaps better luck this time. -- JN 466  12:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Game on, best of luck J, Off2riorob (talk) 13:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess your wish came all-too true. Payback for '66, I suppose. :). Good match. And wishing England better luck in the second half. -- JN 466  14:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Referee, you can't be serious. Tch, you couldn't make it up, haha. Off2riorob (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Journal of Contemporary Religion
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DYK for Peter B. Clarke
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sSiege
how are we doing? I've created some historian articles, for the links. Floss. Ennen, Weyden. auntieruth (talk) 01:12, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the text is more or less there. I still have to do the graphic ... will try to do it this weekend. -- JN 466  07:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lorne L. Dawson
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DYK for Andreas Grünschloß
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DYK for Gregory Berns
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 * Many thanks for your help, J!  Esowteric + Talk  18:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pleasure! -- JN 466  18:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

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