User talk:Jayen466/Archives/2017/June

Captain SKA
Hi Andreas, hope life is treating you well.

I've recently created a stub article for the band Captain SKA, to go with their latest song "Liar Liar GE2017". There's a piece in the Guardian under "Protest Opinion", [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/07/liar-liar-david-cameron-theresa-may-young-people-captain-ska We wrote Liar Liar about David Cameron. But it works for Theresa May too]. Although published in The Guardian, the piece has been written by them. Am I right in thinking that we can't reference that piece in that particular Wikipedia article?

For now, have used cite web (but not as a ref) and added it to a bulleted section on "Media coverage".

Regards, Eric  Esowteric + Talk  16:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Eric, it's very good to hear from you. Given that the Guardian published it as an opinion piece, under its editorial oversight, I would say it's absolutely fine to cite it (it is not self-published), as long as you make it clear that they wrote it. It's also quite possible that some third-party site will comment on the piece in the next 24 hours – just keep a lookout in Google News – in which case you can cite both the original and the article referring to it together. Best wishes, Andreas JN 466 18:51, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Many thanks, Andreas. Regards,  Esowteric + Talk  18:52, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Hot diggity damn, "Liar Liar GE2017" has just been flagged as NPOV and unencyclopedic, in a drive-by. Thought things were going too well. Pointers and/or red pen most welcome. Esowteric + Talk  17:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's okay. Stand down, men.  Esowteric + Talk  19:15, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Scroll.in
Very sad to see it's article deleted, and I hope that doesn't make it a non-RS (although on the basis of this discussion, it is still a RS based on who writes articles). If you want to recreate the article, you could start with a draft. -- Kailash29792 (talk)  07:05, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 9 June 2017
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Citing websites
It seems you are not that familiar with cite web. It's quite easy to use. At a minimum, is needed. Other parameters may be added as required. Mjroots (talk) 11:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Mate, I am. But right now my time is limited. Andreas JN 466 11:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi
Yes, I have to wonder about the media saying only 17 died in the building fire. The key qualifier in their reports is the number of people who are "missing". Where else do they think these missing people will ever be found? How many of them were out-and-about at that hour? I also found it interesting the amount of weight the American media gave this story vs. the shooting of the politicians at their baseball practice. wbm1058 (talk) 21:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Great to see you around again. Wish you had time to do the Signpost again; it was at its best when you were on the team. wbm1058 (talk) 21:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, wbm1058. I have fond memories of my time on the Signpost too, but it was a lot of work! Pleasant work, but still ... the weekly time commitment it requires is such that it really needs to be a paid job – and it's hard to see how that can happen, given that everyone on here is volunteering, including people in other roles that consume a similar proportion of their time. All the best, --Andreas JN 466 09:42, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * We need a superstar volunteer editor or two to break the volunteer compensation barrier, but that may not happen until there is new leadership at the WMF, just as American professional baseball's color line wasn't broken until after Kenesaw Mountain Landis was no longer in charge. Great recent article in The Register about the Foundation's severance pay to departed leaders. I wish the Signpost could pay you twice as much for that as whatever you got from The Register. wbm1058 (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * It was demonstrated from the beginning of Wikipedia's history that unpaid editors could peacefully and happily co-exist with paid editors. Think of Larry Sanger as Wikipedia's Moses Fleetwood Walker. If the concept is considered workable for Wikitribune then I don't understand why it shouldn't be considered viable for Wikipedia. wbm1058 (talk) 16:27, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 June 2017
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