User talk:JaytheBeard24

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Conflict of interest in Wikipedia
Hi JaytheBeard24I work on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia. Your work here to date has all been about Oscar Dowdell-Underwood. I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some comments and requests for you below.

Hello, JaytheBeard24. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest.

Editors are required to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. People with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. If you have a conflict of interest, please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with (see WP:COI);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

Please familiarize yourself with relevant content policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing, and autobiographies. Wikipedia's terms of use require disclosure of your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see the conflict of interest guideline and frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you.

Comments and requests
Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by out WP:OUTING policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with Oscar Dowdell-Underwood? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, with please disclose it. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Wikipedia, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. You can reply here - I am watching this page. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 14:01, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Jytdog


 * First, thank you for you prompt, professional and informative response. The response received from JzG, was not only unprofessional, simple, and unproductive, but a poor reflection of the ethos I imagine Wikipedia to stand for.


 * Nevertheless, I have had an opportunity to review pertinent policies, including those relating to conflicts of interest and reliablility of sources. I do know Dr. Dowdell- Underwood, but the purpose of the article is to be biographical, not celebratory or a puff piece. Username Aeundewood1, who also knows Dr. Dowdell-Underwood, will work to recreate the article so that it is in compliance with the stated policies. Importantly, however, many sources relied upon are taken from personal and professional websites that serve as primary sources for the information they reference. Nonetheless, we will work to expand and diversify these sources.


 * Please advise of any other modifications or processes needed to ready the article for posting. We sincerely appreciate your time, feedback and attentiveness to this matter.


 * Best,


 * Aeunderwood1 and JaytheBeard24JaytheBeard24 (talk) 16:42, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for replying!  Quick note on Wikipedia logistics, or maybe better, etiquette.  In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting - when you reply to someone, you put a colon ":" in front of your comment, and the WP software converts that into an indent; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons "::" which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this  in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread.  I hope that all makes sense. And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages.  That is how we know who said what.  Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Responding on the substance now. Would you please explain the connections between the two of you, and between each of you and Dowdell-Underwood? Thanks Jytdog (talk) 16:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * We both have employment and social relationships. If these conflicts of interests cannot be resolved/overcome, please delete the page in its entirety including the "deleted page" display that currently exists. Thank you. JaytheBeard24 (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. So you both for him. And you are working on this article, as part of your employment, right? (Thank you for patience, as we finish working through the COI process!)  Jytdog (talk) 17:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Correct we both are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaytheBeard24 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 11 September 2015‎ (UTC)


 * OK, so it is clear that you both have a conflict of interest, and within that set of editors with a COI, you are "paid editors", actually. It is really important that you follow the Terms of Use.  To do that:


 * 1) Please add a disclosure on each of your user pages (yours is here: User:JaytheBeard24) along the lines of the following: "User:Aeunderwood1 and I both work for Oscar Dowdell-Underwood, who asked us to create a Wikipedia page for him".  Would you each please take care of that?


 * 2) Please do follow the peer review process going forward. It may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense. In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and viola there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done. No intermediary. What we ask editors who have a COI to do, is a) if you create an article, submit it through the WP:AFC process so it can be reviewed before it publishes. b) And if you want to change content in an existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself. You can make the edit request easily - and provide notice to the community of your request - by using the "edit request" function as described in the conflict of interest guideline.


 * Will you please make the COI disclosure on your user page, and agree to follow the peer review processes? Thanks! (note, when you are create the draft article on  Dowdell-Underwood, let me know, and I can help you make the appropriate COI disclosure on the article Talk page - it needs to go there too.) Jytdog (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

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