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Not up to debate
"They are studio albums these particular albums by Mariah Carey" - I advise you to be aware of what a "Studio album" actually is.

"Removing information is considered vandalism" - I'm not vandalising, I'm making corrections in good faith.

"they are considered studio albums by all sources" - This is an encyclopedia, its not up to other people to make up what they think it should be, there is no where on the billboard or record label website offering these albums are "Studio propers".

"It's not about personal opinion it's about what reliable sources say including Billboard and the woman herself and the label. If they don't want to consider it a holiday album they don't have to. Please, stop reverting things, it's not up to you, it's up to all users, I've offered to put it up for discussion but in the mean time it should stay what it was before." - Billboard, Mariah and her label cannot decide to change the definition of a concept. I don't care if the want to call it a Car, its not a Car. Billboard, Mariah, her label or users do no get to make up a definition for something.

Mariah Carey Studio
I know you don't care about the correctness of albums, but this is not an opinion article, its an encyclopedia. There is a difference between Studio propers, OST and Holiday albums and should be categorized correctly. Please stop reverting changes made to correct these mistakes. These changes are based on the definitions of the terms, not whether you are anyone else considers them otherwise. Thank you.

Concerning Mariah Carey
A Holiday/Christmas album is not considered a Studio Proper. This is not a matter of opinion. Same applies to an OST (Original Soundtrack. I advise you to educate yourself in the matter. Thank You.

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 * The image is proposed for deletion. It hasn't been deleted yet. You can't block me for adding a disputed image as the other image is disputed aswell. Until it's resolved it doesn't matter which one is there.

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Never Leave You
Hello there, Jayy008. Thank you for your contributions to Never Leave You, however I would have to remind you not to include content poorly sourced by YouTube and Twitter which can not be put into use as they fail guidelines. I know that there is a music video for the song however, we need sources complying with WP:RS if we wish to include a proper description or further content regarding the release etc. Please wait until a reliable third party source is available, then you may include the music video section. • вяαdcяo chat  22:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the info! Jayy008 (talk) 18:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

July 2009
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WP:BADCHARTS
Please do not include the Italian Singles Chart from acharts.us, or any other chart listed at WP:BADCHARTS, to any Wikipedia articles. That little Wikipedia emblem next to the chart name on acharts.us means "Do not include this chart in Wikipedia", and they even state "The Italian Charts are not official."&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Why do you keep removing the instructional comment? I'm at 3RR limit on that article trying to keep the acharts chart out. What harm does it do to keep a comment in there explaining the situation? You didn't understand the problem, and neither do many other editors.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you please put it back for me? I can't do it without it being my fourth revert.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I don't remember what it is, paste it in here and I'll do it for you. Can you also read my comment on your page about the Mariah Carey discography and let me know your thoughts. Thank you. Jayy008 (talk) 00:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Easiest way to put it back is to hit this link and click the "undo" link on the upper right and then save it. As for the Mariah Carey discography, I prefer having everything together, but it isn't a strong preference. I wouldn't object to you breaking it out. You should start a conversation on the talk page. There are a lot of editors on the Mariah Carey articles with a lot of opinions. I just try to handle the vandalism.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay I'll do it as soon as I've replied to this. Right, the Mariah Carey thing having it all together is fine but alot of those are not official releases. As for the vandalism that would be me because I'm very bad at editing, how do I open up a talk page about seperating the Singles to offical/promotional and featured. Jayy008 (talk) 00:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Never Leave You
Generally, to build a quality article, it is best not to use online retailers such as amazon. Specific retailers would be best. I found a more reliable source, by HMV here. The tracklisting has not been released but it is listed on the site. I assume it will be in the next few days as the single is released on August 3.. The cover that you posted is on the HMV source aswel, so you may put it back on the article. • вяαdcяo chat  22:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've already changed all of the article back but removed Amazon. So that is just your personal preference? There are no rules against Twitter, Amazon and YouTube? For example plastered across other pages are Twitter quotes, only on Superstars pages though. Is it allowed depending on how big a star you are? Jayy008 (talk) 22:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Read WP:BLP, WP:RS and WP:YOUTUBE. Also, in regards to Amazon, why use it when we have a much more reliable well established source such as HMV? • вяαdcяo  chat  06:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

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MICHELLE WILLAIMS =D
OMG you met her as well! hehe! When did you meet her? What's your fav songs and album by her? I met her a few weeks back then met her again like a week after that tehehe =D JonathanLGardner (talk) 21:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeahh after her show! She was so nice! I'm not sure really "Too Young For Love" maybe because it reminds me of a happy JoJo song I really like Lucky Girl though you? Yeah I went back the next day to get a picture. Jayy008 (talk) 13:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009
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Radar (song)
Top 40 Mainstream/Pop Songs is a component chart, as it is compiled based on airplay-only. It is not the same thing as the Pop 100, which also factored in sales. Per WP:CHARTS, this should not be included in charts tables, so please do not re-add it. - eo (talk) 13:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the update! I thought as Pop songs has taken over from Pop 100 it would still be included, my bad! Jayy008 (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Czech chart
Yes, it's an airplay chart, but it's an official airplay chart. The Czech Republic has an official charts for album sales and one for radio airplay, but not for single sales. WP:GOODCHARTS is a good place to check if you have doubts.&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

No, it's fine I believe you but I will change it to "Airplay Chart" instead of "Singles Chart" Jayy008 (talk) 22:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I Am Sasha fierce
hey please do not add more covers as this is an infringment of copyright. when two or more album covers looks the same you are not allowed to upload more than one cover. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC))


 * Apologies, in your edit it appeared that you had added additional album covers. I must have not checked the article history thoroughly. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC))

September 2009
Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

In the UK certifications ARE automatic or are just quicker in being certified than other places. Why do you keep reverting Japan's chart position for Poker Face? Jayy008 (talk) 10:32, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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Obsessed (song)
Official Belgian Singles charts are here: Flandres and Wallonia. "Obsessed" never charted there - you can check it, there's an on-line archive. However it charted on the ULTRATIP chart, which is a pre-release chart (an indicator of which new singles should get a chance to feature on the singles chart) - explanation here. Links to this chart are here: Flandres and Wallonia. So writing in the Obsessed table "Belgain Singles Chart" is misleading. I suggest you remove the chart completly or let it be with ULTRATIP name. Max24 (talk) 09:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

If there's a problem add it to user discussion on the Obsessed page. I didn't add the chart. Jayy008 (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Bolding chart positions
Per WP:Record charts, chart positions should not be bolded.&mdash;Kww(talk) 17:43, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Mariah's album sales
I changed it because the original source that was up there is from her record label and it states that she has sold 200 million albums along with multiple other sources to support that claim as oppose to one source. PhoenixPrince (talk) 21:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

The one I posted was from her record label too :S Jayy008 (talk) 12:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Adult Contemporary is not a component chart
Hi, sorry that I reverted your formatting of that one section with the rest of those edits, but I just wanted to correct your misunderstanding. Airplay-only charts are not the same thing as component charts. It has nothing to do with being airplay only. The Rock Tracks and Club Play charts, for example, reflect no sales yet are legitimate charts. The point of excluding component charts is there are some charts that are added together to determine a larger chart, thereby being components of the larger chart, and so essentially redundant. Adult Contemporary is a discrete radio format, and Billboard's Hot Adult Contemporary chart has always been a stand-alone chart, separate from any other, not figured into the Hot 100 chart. Component charts are like Hot 100 Airplay and Hot 100 Sales and Hot Digital Songs, which are all combined to determine the Hot 100 chart. Abrazame (talk) 21:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Pop Songs
According to component chart, the Hot 100 is compiled from three component charts: Hot 100 Airplay (I guess now called Radio Songs), Hot Digital Songs and Hot 100 Singles Sales. Pop Songs is a different chart, formerly called Top 40 Mainstream, which does measure airplay, but is not related to the defunct Pop 100 and its component Pop 100 Airplay. --Wolfer68 (talk) 00:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea. You can go to Wikipedia talk:Record charts to bring it up for discussion. --Wolfer68 (talk) 16:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Files for deletion
I've never done it, but you I think you can just follow the instuctions on Files for deletion. --Wolfer68 (talk) 00:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! Jayy008 (talk) 00:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Hot 100 Brazil
All charts from hot100brazil.com are bad. If there's something confusing about the way it's written on WP:BADCHARTS, let me know, and I'll fix it.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The Hot 100 Brazil is a hobby chart. It's compiled by one man, and he doesn't explain the rules he uses. No one has found any reliable sources, like newspapers or magazines, that refer to the charts he compiles. The official Brazilian chart for CDs is published by the APBD. I keep track of it at WP:Record charts/sourcing guide/Brazil (click on the links for the weeks, and it will take you to the official chart for each week). Take a look at the official chart, and you can see how strange the chart at Hot 100 Brazil is. It just doesn't line up very well at all.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your edit S.O.S. (Let the Music Play)
Please join discussion at Wikipedia talk:Record charts. Thank You. Iknow23 (talk) 23:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * due to your edit, it doesn't seem like it is resolved.

Thus the outstanding question at Wikipedia talk:Record charts of "Is 'The Mega Single Top 100' the same thing as 'GfK Dutch Single Top 100'"? is of prime importance. IF those two are the same, then per the comments the Dutch Top 40 should be used and not the Top 100. Iknow23 (talk) 00:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "The Mega Single Top 100 is a component of the Dutch Top 40, and should only be used if the single did not chart on the Dutch Top 40."


 * Well, guess what? The question has actually been answered now as WP:GOODCHARTS states that GfK Dutch Single Top 100
 * (Mega Single) is a "component" of the Dutch Top 40. Please restore S.O.S. (Let the Music Play) accordingly. Thank You—Iknow23 (talk) 18:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh my! Did the WP:GOODCHARTS link change? Anyway, I see what you mean. This song is number 1 on the "Tip Parade" with the full list shown at TIP PARADE but THIS is NOT the "Top 40" even though "TOP 40" is shown a bit above the list. The "Tip Parade" also has only 30 positions.
 * The current WP:GOODCHARTS link for Dutch Top 40 shows BITS of BOTH charts. If one clicks on "Volledige lijst" at "TOP 40..." the full Top 40 list is revealed.
 * So Yeah. LOL, like Kww said, "Everything is always complicated..."—Iknow23 (talk) 19:07, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * At least I got clarity in the WP:GOODCHARTS listing, with two revisions having been made by others. :) —Iknow23 (talk) 19:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

That's fine :)—Iknow23 (talk) 19:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Page protection
Sorry, but I'm not an admin. You'd have to request it at WP:RFPP. I've started to talk to Nicepowerman, and hopefully we can get this resolved without protecting the page. I'd give it another day or two to see if we can get him to stop.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I will add it if it does. Seriously doubt it will, but I'll keep watching the chart.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Essentially no American music charts on the official Brazilian chart. In the last several months, it's been a I Am... Sasha Fierce, some old Michael Jackson albums, and two Beatles re-releases. That's it. I've been talking about the 200M figure privately with PhoenixFire.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No real consensus. I believe the 175M figure, myself.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I only get the orange bar if you reply on my talk page. I have yours watchlisted, though, so if you reply to me here, I'll still see it, just a little more slowly.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Watchlisting
If you want to watch a page, go to the page. In the list of tabs, the one on the far right says something like "watch" (I don't use the English interface, for me it says "volgen", but it's either "watch" or "watch this page" in English). Click it. That puts it on your watchlist.

To look at your watchlist, look at the top bar, and you'll see "my watchlist" (in between something about preferences and contributions, again, it all looks different on my computer). Click that, and it will show you a list of the last change made to every article on your watchlist.

I have about 7200 pages on my watchlist. Most people keep a hundred or so.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll be away from my computer for a few hours. I'll look at it when I can.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Korean platinum for Mariah Carey
I hadn't realised the editor objecting was SKS26. SKS26 is the editor I recognize as being best with the Korean certifications and sources (he can read Korean, which is something I can't do). If he's suspicious, I have to accept that there is something to be suspicious about. The Korean websites are being reworked, and in a few weeks we might be able to look it up better and get an answer. I think the best thing to do is wait a while, and ask SKS26 to look back into it in a month if nothing has turned up by then.&mdash;Kww(talk) 14:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what I understand, even though their charting rules are a bit strange compared to the rest of the world. Things like a yearly chart that is issued every week, and covers the last 52 weeks.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:39, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll watch. Like I said, I doubt it: today's chart was just released, and the only non-Brazilian acts are Beyonce and the Beatles.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

(Since this is what your question relates to, I put it in here.) Billboard Korea isn't quite set up yet, so there will be no charts there. As for Hanteo, the site's back up, but this doesn't give much information other than the fact that it only sold 529 copies in the past week (it didn't chart in the Top 5 for September, either). SKS (talk) 20:58, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the International chart. There is no full/combined album chart for Korea (and I have no idea why).  Well, actually, there are no real charts for Korea, so every time an album or song charts in Korea that isn't Korean, it's debatable.  (When it is Korean, there are various news sources saying that it topped this chart or that chart, so it's usually mentioned in the article somewhere.)
 * Generally speaking, Asian countries like to have separate charts. I'm assuming that Japan has a combined chart, but I honestly have no idea.
 * Feel free to remove charts using that rationale (that it's a minor/international chart) but don't be surprised if people add it in. As you can see, there's no specific guideline against using International charts.  So clearly, it's debatable.  SKS (talk) 19:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, Taiwan doesn't. The other issue with Taiwan is that it's a relatively small market that would heavily favour domestic releases, so an "international" album chart position would be a bit misleading.  But again, there's nothing explicitly wrong with that.  SKS (talk) 20:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

International IFPI
All the certifying countries are listed at http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/international-award-levels.pdf. &mdash;Kww(talk) 21:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Memoirs
Hmm...I looked at the page, and the sales figures seem okay. Korea = 10,000, and US = 220,000..... If you're talking about "Obsessed", it's sourced by a primary source, so it's okay. Not great, but okay. It would be better to use a news source, especially since RIAA certifications aren't automatic, but it's not the source is a blog. SKS (talk) 00:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * is it worth adding this to the infobox? (see the side...)Lil-unique1 (talk) 19:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Mariah Carey
Hey Jay, do agree? I think its a good idea. Sure if you would like to, start the addition and then ill help out.Thanks for your help!--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I will try and add more information on Precious. I do not think the conflict with Eminem should be in her main article, it mentions him in the song's article and I believe that is sufficient.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 01:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Billboard Brazil
I thought we had all agreed to wait. The chart isn't stable. The link you are adding is not to an archive, it's to a current chart. When they issue the next chart, every link you have added will be wrong. It's too soon to start.&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Japan
Billboard Japan and Oricon are both OK.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Completely separate charts, made by different companies, with slightly different rules.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Mariah Carey
Please explain why you changed the photo on this page, when there was a consensus on the talk page a few weeks ago?. Please change it back. And I have recieved your prior message, it's all good.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 02:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Katy Perry discography
Why did you remove the singles? Kiac (talk) 12:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not see the notes you added, my apologies. That's the way I originally had it anyway. Thanks. Kiac (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do :) Kiac (talk) 15:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

RFA spam

 * &mdash;Kww(talk) 18:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

INVITATION to Talk page.
INVITATION to Wikipedia talk:Record charts. As you are one of the major contributores to the Record charts Talk page, I would welcome your input :) —Iknow23 (talk) 01:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Brazilian charts
If you must add the Brazilian chart (even though I have begged you not to, and I will again beg you to stop), please, please, please don't call it the "Brazil Hot 100". There are programs set to notify me of every time someone adds the "Brazil Hot 100" to an article, and I'm getting false alarms. Please call it something like "Billboard Brazil".&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

MC Photo
Im not sure what you mean, but if you read what the person wrote, you'd see he said he didn't want the one with the aweful hand gesture. While he might have made an error in the number, he clearly stated which he liked and disliked. By all means read it and get back to me.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 03:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Let me explain something to you, the picture you put has an aweful hand gesture the one I chose doesn't. He chose the one I like with just her face. He clearly hates the one with the hand gesture which is the one you chose.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 17:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

You have a very crooked way of reading things, but we'll just wait for some other peoples opinions to come in.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 22:31, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I Want to Know What Love Is
I dont know hwy you feel the need to vandalize the page. It has a perfectly relaible source claiming it's October 26th release in the UK. Dont remove it because you just know it hasnt yet. Today is the day it's supposed to be released, and you have no proof it hasn't yet.--209.155.49.3 (talk) 22:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Preview
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your edits to 3 (song), it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, reduces edit conflicts, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thank you. ---Shadow (talk) 06:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I reverted the edit because some wrong information was added and I was going to redo the entire release table today. ---Shadow (talk) 18:52, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You didn't even put Switzerland in the template, and it was not release in the US on that date either. ---Shadow (talk) 21:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the US release was strange. Amazon and Itunes said the 2nd but it wasn't released that date.

Touch My Body
I agree with you about removing the sales section, except for one of them. We all know that touch my body is platinum in the US and has sold 1.2 million downloads here, so please put US sales back.Thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 17:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to discussion.
Dear user, i would like to invite you to the following discussion. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 21:37, 21 November 2009 (UTC))

MC
Sure, I agree that it belongs on the page.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 20:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Ive added it back, can you help me add and develope the section?Thanks--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 20:46, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Please join the discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mariah_Carey#Legacy Reidlos (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Shakira "She Wolf"
hello jay, i was removed that because the certification is for the single not for the album. please check again http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/Search.aspx Ashishvats23 (talk), 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Attitude
You have a serious attitidude problem. You need to calm down and stop assumping ownership of articles. If you look on Chart Macros Redux you'll see that the Template:Singlechart has recently been developed and is the process of being rolled out. Also look at Love Sex Magic a page where a WP administrator Explicit has implemented the new template and undid consequent removals of it.

Now on several occassions you have spoken to me using capitals (indicating a raising of your voice) and also added exclaimation marks to the end of comments you have let to me. Whilst i appreciate your passion for editing you are starting to act as if you own certain articles. There is more than one correct interpretation for implementing wikipedia rules. WP:record charts does not have rules for how you list belgium for example it doesnt say about linking or not linking wallona/flanders. You need to chill out and start working with other editors because this is when the best results are achieved. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC))

Mariah Carey / Charts
WP:record charts explains quite thoroughly that only IFPI-registered charts can be used and only a maximum of 18 record charts. (we're currrently treating belgium flanders and wallonia as one charting region as are we doing to all billboard charts (e.g. r&b and hot 100 treated as one charting region). This is explained in the relevent section of record charts.(Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC))


 * Actually it does say in the second paragraph underneath the first table. "The number of charts should include no more than ten official national charts, and up to ten additional or secondary charts, but no more than eighteen charts total." And as for comments like "you dont seem to listen", i find that frankly insulting and patronising. I am a well established editor and have contributed to some major articles such as I Am... Sasha Fierce and I Look to You. Therefore i believe i have more than enough experience to comment on changes made to article and also the capacity to make bold edits accoridng to the rules. I accept that sometimes my edits seem radical but this is because i am constantly viewing the talk pages and record charts to track changes to wikipedia that are being brought in soon. I think you owe me an apology because you have mistaken me for a vandal/disruptive editor. I like yourself dedicate much of my time to highly trafficked articles and patrol them to prevent vandalism. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC))


 * Thank you apology accepted. Its ok, even i was confused by the new template. If you look at WP:record charts and visit Archive 6 on the talk page and under the heading "Chart Macro redux" you'll see that the user Kww (also a wp:admin) has been working very hard recently to develop the template which has been approved for use on wikipedia. A bot is now being built to automatically start changing exisiting articles. Btw Taiwain is not ifpi associated according to IFPI website so cannot be used. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC))


 * Do i prefer the chart template? i think yes its good because it makes it easier adding charts to a single because you can easily add the song and the reference is automatically found providing the information is enterred correctly. plus sometimes it can be difficult to work out how to name certain country's chart e.g. dutch charts, belian charts etc. it does have problems but i do think its a step forward. what do you think? (Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC))

When i first joined wikipedia i asked the question about when you draw the line with charts and i was told that there has to be a limit otherwise artists such as Shakira and Beyonce who have a truelly worldwide appeal would be able to chart in a potentially vast number of charts. Shakira's own website confirms that her new single topped 18 charts worlwide, so imagine how many others she has simply charted on? Thats why we only use IFPI associated charts as these are considered most verifiable and most reliable. Plus IFPI countries make up 90% of the market. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC))
 * Chart Numbers


 * Well the way it works, is simple. for billboard charts you use the artist's id which is unique to that artist. Then it automatically links to billboard's chart history page for the said artist so you can varify where they've charted. In the majority of other countries you use the artist's name and the song name. It then automatically does the search for you so when you click on the source it comes up with chart result for that particular song. Detailed info on how to use the template can be found at Template:Singlechart - it does vary by country. No doubt it will develop over time and probably change too. It aims to eliminate problems with none-archivable charts by only using archiable charts for its sources. as more people take up the template it should improve verfiability. it is created by using the following parameters:
 * majority = {single chart | name of country | position | artist name | song name}
 * billboard = {single chart | billboardname of billboard chart | position | artist name | artist id}
 * czech = {single chart | name of country | position | year | week}

(Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC))

Chart macros
There's a few reasons. First is that it automatically provides a link to the proper source, in the proper format. It is actually much simpler to provide than a chart position with a correctly formatted cite web.

The second reason is that it allows us to update sources in one place. When Billboard changed its site around, it required edits to thousands of articles. We still aren't done. This way, simple changes to a site can be done by only editing the template. If there's a more complicated change, having a standard format for referencing the site allows us to write bots and scripts to take care of the problems automatically.

Third is that we are working on a bot to keep things updated automatically. If someone vandalises the chart position, it will be corrected automatically. Chart vandalism is a serious and chronic problem. Without a standard format, the bot is impossible to write.

Fourth is that it eliminates the fake chart names. There aren't such things as a "Dutch Singles Chart", a "Belgian Singles Chart", a "French Singles Chart". There usually aren't even articles with those names: 99% of the time, the link is to the country, not to a description of the chart. It also makes it clear which chart is being referenced when there's a choice: there is a big difference between the Dutch Top 40 and the Megachart 100, and the link should take you to the right place.

What is your objection to the macro?&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Because there is no unique "Australia Singles Chart". There's the main chart, the urban chart, the download chart, the airplay chart. Same for the UK. There are multiple Canadian charts, multiple Brazilian album charts, etc. Probably half the countries that have charts have multiple charts.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I've got no problem making the links more specific. If someone writes a specific article about the main single chart provided by the Official Charts Company, I'll update the template to point to it, and that will update all articles automatically.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to start the album version next week. I'll adjust the UK link.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll sort out Denmark and make changes.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

RE: Taiwan
but IFPI's own official website does not list Taiwan as an affiliated organisation or even as a registered regional office. If IFPI's own official website refuses to recognise Taiwan it should be omitted especially considering there are already too many charts and also because i dont think WP:record charts approves it's use. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC))


 * The website you've shown is IFPI Taiwan or as its known there Recording Industry foundation of Taiwan (RIT). But according to IFPI.org (the official international website) IFPI does not list Taiwan as an official IFPI organisation. It is self-styled that is why it is not listed at (click on the chart providers by territory link) (Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC))


 * The link you've found is a mirror (dummy website) from Taiwan's own record association RIT which says it is the Tawain equivalent of IFPI but it is not actually officially part of IFPI if that makes sense? Its charts and certificates are not verified by IFPI. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 12:26, 30 November 2009 (UTC))

Its the actual chart which is not IFPI associated. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC))

Denmark
Tracklisten is just the name of the show that presents the chart. Copyright on the chart is shared by IFPI and Nielsen.&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Chart Changes
Sorry i've not been online to reply.

I think its fair to say that we have reached a consensus. We should go ahead and implement the changes (proposals 1-4). 5 probably needs further discussion before finalising. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 02:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC))

chart macros
UK singles chart and Irish singles chart direct you to those articles now (it's via a redirect). It's hard to maintain a consistent format when some charts are named and others only have an article about the provider, so I do it via a redirect. I hope you don't feel like I've been ignoring your input, it's just that I haven't been editing as heavily recently. I got the note feature working today, and I'm still working on getting Beyoncé to work properly.&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

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RE: I Look to You Tour/HATE U Vid
Hi,

Yes i will be more than happy to help out with I Look to You tour. I will add the page to my watch list and make it part of my regular patrol of articles.

And yes i saw the HateU video and was thoroughly disgusted. I think it is one of the worst videos i have ever seen. i wanna know what love is video was terrible but that was expected. The HateU video had such high expectations especially since her album is tanking. The fact that she chose to release such a lame video (has little to do with the song) which is also Brett Ratner's most ammateur video for the third single from a failing album is ridiculous. Things aren't right at DefJam/Island. Look at what they've done to rihanna's Rated R. It took MC's label 2 singles to realise they'd released the wrong song and when the pick the album's best cut and give it a sh*t video its like what's the point? LOl im not really a mariah fan but HateU is a good song and deserved better.(Lil-unique1 (talk) 02:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC))

Certifications
For what article page are you talking about?--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 17:25, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

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Re: I Look to You song cover.
can we not use the double-aside cover and include the remix cover as a second single cover using the misc function in the infobox? Lil-unique1 (talk) 00:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

December 2009
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Rated R (Rihanna album) genre consensus
Do u care 2 contribute to the genre issue at the article's talk page? Dan56 (talk) 06:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Soundtracks and Christmas albums
Generally, soundtracks and Christmas albums aren't considered studio albums. They should be in the discography under a heading like "Other". If an artist did a bunch of Christmas albums or a bunch of soundtracks, it would be reasonable to consider adding specific "Soundtrack" and "Christmas album" sections. I can't think of an example of that, but I can't think of a reason for someone to object.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Add them back under a heading of "Other". If they still get removed, you have a strong case to call the editing disruptive.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I am the editor responsible for these edits. I have removed them from the Studio category and ADDED them to the Other category. I am not vandalizing Mariah's page. I am simply correcting this mistake in good faith. --Sosa (talk) 01:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Frenchdigital
They're all case sensitive: it's "Frenchdigital".&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

ARC Weekly
Please stop removing the ARC Weekly Top 40 chart from the One Time article. It is not a component chart. The ARC is an official United States chart, and has no relation to the main U.S. chart, the Billboard Hot 100 and its component charts, the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay and Billboard Hot 100 Singles Sales. Candyo32 (talk) 21:25, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, don't remove Pop Songs chart. A consensus has been made to include the chart for pop-genre songs. Candyo32 (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

User: Ryan3896490
heya, yes i have experience the annoying-ness of the above user! he is a complete pain in the arse i agree :) but no i'm not an admin so cannot block him myself. but taking a quick look at his edit history alot of his edits do require undoing afterwards! i think its mainly cos he doesnt understand about some of the basic principles and formatting and stuff Mister sparky (talk) 11:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * mention him to User:Ericorbit, he's an admin and a really nice guy :) Mister sparky (talk) 17:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hello
I have actually removed the Billboard Brasil Hot 100 (the source stated Hot 100 Airplay) and its component chart the Billboard Brasil Pop 100 becaused both are sourced from Billboard Brasil. According to previous discussions the ABPD is the only approved provider. Billboard Brasil has dubious methidology which is inconsistant. It is often different to the official IFPI-approved ABPD chart and therefore i dont think it is sensible to include the chart. Therefore there is no need for the nav. template. Lil-unique1 (talk) 03:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as im aware the issue was last discussed in July 2009 when the chart was in its very earliest ages. Since then there has yet to be a follow up about whether it is appropriate for use on Wikipedia. I would have thought that with a chart that has proven so problematic IF there was a credible chart it would have been added to Goodcharts. Has anyone checked the methidology of Billboard Brasil? Lil-unique1 (talk) 02:28, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Discography
I noticed you had a discussion with another use about limiting the number of certificates available in a discography. The only guidelines im aware of (by word of mouth) is a maximum of 10, and if more than 5 are include then the small tags should be used. Lil-unique1 (talk) 04:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Please see my comment of today at User talk:Iknow23.—Iknow23 (talk) 01:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

User:Ryan3896490
Yep, what you did there is just fine. He's had quite enough warnings as far as I can see. If he continues to ignore people, grab an admin to take a look and/or report him here: Administrator intervention against vandalism - just plug in his user name with a short description of the vandalism and someone will be along shortly to check it out and block if needed. - eo (talk) 18:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. He has had fair warning from plenty of people. He needs sanctions or some such intervention I suspect. Drop a more long term notice at the noticeboard if you feel that such action is required - and to AIV if there is disruptive editing which requires a short term fix. SGGH ping! 01:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I Look to You Sales
The source from Rap-Up shows a photo in which Whitney recieves a platinum plaque where it is listed the countries in which the album has gone platinum. then using the List of music recording sales certifications it tells you what each certificate equates to in sales. there is nothing wrong with this way of sourcing sales. Especially not since the certificates are sourced. Lil-unique1 (talk) 21:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps but don't forget the BET honours was filmed several weeks before it is due to air therefore the information could be pre-emptive. Also certificates are not published daily/weekly. They are published in sporadic timings. For example BPI in the UK certified some in November 2009 and some more in January 2010 (in 2008 they Certified in Jan 2008 and then in April 2008). I have scrutinised the photo very closely and it does say I Look to You has been certified platinum in: *country flags*. Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

RE: Mariah Carey Singles
 * Yes i actually think its a good idea, the likes of many other big artists of their time e.g. Michael Jackson have this and i think it will be good for information layout. Especially since Mariah Carey will be released even more albums and singles it will prevent the page looking cluttered. Good for size (therefore nav. too) Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as im aware you just create the page like you would create any other and then move the information across. Obviously then the Mariah Carey Discography page becomes the disambigation page with links to the singles and albums discography. Unfortunately I'm about to leave wikipedia for tonight im really wacked. Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Ryan3896490 ‎
Hello, Jayy008. I have reported Ryan3896490 to an admin, User:J.delanoy. Ryan might soon be blocked right now. Blocky cuzco (talk) 02:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * He doesn't appear to be taking any advance or making any effort to talk. He didn't continue past final warning but he clearly hasn't taken any notice. I have given him the same block that he had in December. SGGH ping! 22:54, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh incidentally. Could you update or link me to any current ANI notice on him? Also, please take care to sign your vandalism warnings, so it's easier to see when he got his FW :) SGGH ping! 22:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:AN/I. SGGH ping! 23:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No no, all I meant was that if you had recently added him there in an attempt to solve the problem, you might want to update it with an account of these recent actions, but if you haven't taken anything there then no need. SGGH ping! 17:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Only admins can block. Take a look at WP:ADMIN and WP:BLOCK which I think are pages that relate. Regards, SGGH ping! 19:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Technical difficulties
Usually you would just use the "move" tab (I think it's called that in the English interface, either "move" or "rename", for me it's "hernoemen"). Unfortunately, there is already "Mariah Carey albums discography" with a history, and that means that only an admin can do the move. You need to make the request at WP:RM. I'd use the "uncontroversial moves" section.&mdash;Kww(talk) 17:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Never cut-and-paste an article. Never. It causes GFDL problems. I've requested admin assistance to get things straightened out. Please leave things where they are until the deletes have happened so that I can restore things from history.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me look again. Please don't touch until I say so.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a history there, too, so it wouldn't allow the move to complete. I have to leave for a bit, so nothing will happen for a few hours. All of your work is saved in article history, so it isn't lost. I have to figure out a strategy for unwinding the previous merge/split activity that preserves the history, and it's not going to be easy. Are you sure that this is necessary?&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The "speedy" delete hasn't been done yet, so that's a problem. I'm going to wind up taking this to WP:RM myself. It's just too tangled, with too many people splitting, merging, renaming, and otherwise creating duplicate articles.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Mariah Carey discography

Re: Please check...
Sorry for the late reply. Well, my edits didn't take that little time either. Besides, I don't agree with these chart macros aesthetically, and they don't seem to be mandatory since I haven't seen them being used that often. Funk Junkie (talk) 00:51, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't just go to any article which contained chart macros and reverted them, I did it with pages I had previously worked in. Though they're practical, I much prefer the "Singles Chart" format, which follows a pattern and therefore is more understandable. Besides, why does each chart have to have its own source? Isn't it easier to use one Ultratop source for the charts it covers? Funk Junkie (talk) 17:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Mariah Carey
hey, yea i can help you out with the sourcing if you like Mister sparky (talk) 12:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * that was a simple error when copying over the ref from elsewhere, not vandalism... Mister sparky (talk) 23:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Irish charts
Nope. Year and date to a particular chart. There is no licensed archive where you can index by song. Usually, I use acharts to find the year and date that it peaked on the Irish chart using the "graph chart" function that acharts provides.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

German chart
This is usually the problem.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "I Want to Know What Love Is' was released under a strange title variation.&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/One Shot (JLS song)
One Shot was deleted via an AfD discussion (Articles for deletion/One Shot (JLS song)). If you wish to contest the deletion, please do so at WP:DRV. Until then, please do not create any links to the article. Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 22:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If you think the reasons for deleting it a month ago are no longer valid, then please take it to WP:DRV for review. Continually re-creating it is not the way to go. Jayjg (talk) 00:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Mariah Carey
Request made.&mdash;Kww(talk) 15:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I would suggest WP:RFPP for those. I was trying to dig through the pages and it seems that the parent and sub-articles have been protected and unprotected at various times. If you use RFPP then it also checks with more than one admin that protection is necessary. I've categorised the disambiguation page for you, though. SGGH ping! 13:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Glitter (soundtrack)
Hi, Jayy. Perhaps you saw what I wrote over at Wikipedia talk:Record charts? What do you think of:

Glitter (soundtrack) at Billboard? It is listed as charting in Soundtrack, R&B/Hip-Hop and the Top 200. Actually couldn't all THREE be displayed in the Chart table in the Glitter article as R&B/Hip-Hop is a genre chart and I think that Soundtrack chart should also be eligible.—Iknow23 (talk) 16:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Brasil
Please could you give your views on the following: Billboard Brasil / An Official Brasilian Singles Chart?

Thanks. Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

RE: Angels Advocate Tour
Sorry i didn't reply the other day

Yeah sorry my username's not exactly the most informative or actually most exicitng one is it? My name's Hash if that makes things easier?

Yeah i agree any changes to the set list should be mentioned for which i think Mariah Daily Journal is acceptable source but not for anything else. However we need to be careful because this could rapidly become a problem seen that Carey seems to modify every tour date.

As far as im aware BET the Tv chanel on UK SKY TV and AMERICAN DIGITIAL TV is the only way to watch the ceremony.

Hope that helps? Lil-unique1 (talk) 19:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If you mean to see whitney live? no. I did defend her infamous X Factor performance to all my friends and family who thought it was pathetic. Lol i also defended the the album which not that many people in the UK actually talk bout/regularly listen to. But considering the state of her voice, her x factor performance and reviews from those in russian who've already been to one date of the tour i refused to pay £55 to see her mime and struggle to breathe. I think its a little tragic. wbu? what do you think? Lil-unique1 (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Cool. Where will you be going to see her? You'll have to tell me how it goes... (i want a review lol). Im going to see Alicia Keys at the O2 and then the same week Leona Lewis live in May. So i've got my hopes high for both of them. I've heard Robin Thicke and Melanie Fiona are supporting Keys but i dont know who's supporting Leona. Lil-unique1 (talk) 00:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Random stuff
try WP:templates Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * OMG did u see this? Latest Music News Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Croatia
Why did you remove croatian albums chart ? it is listed on WP:GOODCHARTS as good chart. in Croatia there are 3 albums charts. 1 that lists foreign albums, 1 that lists croatian albums and combined list. this is this weeks foreign chart. the element of freedom is at #4.--SveroH (talk) 20:03, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * ok, then i'll fix the link --SveroH (talk) 20:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Billboard Brasil
Well, I'll not be able to buy all copies but I think it's way easier for me to get the #1. But are you asking me to update monthly a kind of archive here in Wikipedia with the #1 songs or what? If so, I think I can do it. Decodet (talk) 23:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I think I understood. Yes, I can do it, I've already worked with this kind of references before. Which specific song do you want me to do it? Decodet (talk) 00:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I Want to Know What Love Is was number one in the main chart


 * Halo was number one in the main chart

Just put the code between ref tags. About the Pop Chart, I can do the reference for you but I'm pretty sure it's a component chart.Do you still want it? Decodet (talk) 01:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Pop Chart is an airplay chart too but including only pop songs. That's why I bet it's a component chart. Decodet (talk) 15:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha no problem. If you need more help, feel free to ask me again! Decodet (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

RE: I Want to Know What Love Is "Succession box"
No, I would not be able to tell you that since the Brazilian chart is monthy. It's dated simply "December of 2009". Decodet (talk) 21:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

irishcharts.ie
The whole site is down. I'll watch it for a couple of days, and change things if it doesn't come back online.&mdash;Kww(talk) 15:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

RE: One Shot (JLS song)
They restored it. You worked really hard on it. If you want, I'll help a bit. Great work!

Signed by: Ninjinian (My talk!) 19:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk: Mariah Carey albums discography
Hey Jay, since you usually take place in Mariah Carey discussions, maybe you would like to voice your opinion here--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 03:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Mariah Carey albums discography
Hey jay, I have expanded the intro to the above mentioned page. There is allot of new info, so if you can please help me out to correct it grammatically and it's wording. It may need the removal or addition of some information, and and may need to be cleaned a bit. thanks for the help.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 03:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * That's good, I believe with some references and the removal of some unnecessary information the intro will look very nice and be informative. I'll do the singles discography next, just without the mention of her albums, just mainly focusing on the success of her singles.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 06:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I don't intend to add more than a paragraph. The singles discography has no need to mirror the albums page. It will speak mainly about the continued success of her singles.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 18:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Up Out My Face
Sorry i've not been on for a while so didn't realise it was MDJ that had revealed the covers. We're gonna have issues though because people keep using Honeybfly to source things about the song's conception but this source was also initially used to try and source the tracklisting for the remix album and it turned out untrue... because it initally said R Kelly was going to feature on "Inseperable". We're gonna have to watch out for that.

Im going to opening night of Leona's tour (May 28th at Sheffield arena). wbu? Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OMG i would have loved to have seen her at the o2 but i couldnt drag anyone to london with me to see her. Managed to get a friend from back home to come to sheffield with me to see her though. im seeing alicia keys though at the o2. will defo let you know. Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * its funny you say that. i only found out Alicia was touring the day tickets went on sale and they sold out in bout 1hr. Then the following day it was announced that they had added an extra day and the tickets would go on sale in two days. so i waited and used my o2 priority to get premium access to tickets at 9.30am and was surprised to find the sale 50% sold out :O. will be good im sure. what part of the country are you from btw? Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow that's quite a move. well you've prob guessed from the last comment i from Sheffield originally but im living in Nottingham at the moment cause of university. both leona and alicia should be good in their own ways... Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Up Out My Face radio releases
but that source doesnt say anything about feb 16 and only lists Up out my face.....so im gonna remove.....you cant just make up dates..

how dare you say im vandalizing...you yourself said im editing in good faith....your the one who doesnt listen not me.........why u wanna report me...im not doing anything wrong...ur the one who should be reported...

look at the Future releases, scroll down to feb 16......up out my face and angels cry are NOT listed there......if what ur saying is true then they would have been listed under feb 16....but they not.....so get over it....your not right......Allyoueverwanted (talk) 17:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

you cant just guess that island records is refering to thatwhen it literally doesnt say it.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allyoueverwanted (talk • contribs) 17:10, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

hahah,lol...ur such an amatuer....go read wikipedia guidlines...im pretty sure "guessing" is not allowed........this is called vandalizm......you have to have a releiable source that actually says it........ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allyoueverwanted (talk • contribs) 17:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

This source for example is very reliable and look it doesnt list up out my face nor angels cry on feb 16........and if what ur saying was true...they would have difinatley been there......but theyre not......so stop sayng im vandlazing...cauae im not.....u are...Allyoueverwanted (talk) 17:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

you cant just guess.... You need to read up on WP:OR. You can only say such things if you have a reliable third-party source to quote.....and im pretty sure its the Digital Download release date...what makes u so sure its not..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allyoueverwanted (talk • contribs) 17:24, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

look at the island records website, every single song they have, theyre referening to the digital download release date.....so why would it be difrent for angels cry and up out my face.......and theyres no mention at all about readio release dates for any of the other songs....

becuase theyre not relased yet......when feb 16 comes, they will put those "boxes"...how can they put them now if theyre not avialbalbe on itunes and amazon.......... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allyoueverwanted (talk • contribs) 17:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

only the ones that are avialable for pre-order........up out my face and angels cry are not yet available for pre order.....thats why the boxes are not there.......Allyoueverwanted (talk) 17:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC) ......

thankyou....i hope in the future we can work together....not against each other.....Allyoueverwanted (talk) 17:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Angels Advocate Singles
Whilst i do agree that Island Records lists the singles as coming out officially on february 16, 2010 we don't know what is meant by this. All we know for sure is that the songs are not yet available to purchase and although the release date policy is under review wikipedia is clear that a release date is when you can purchase a song. Therefore i suggested an interim solution of the itunes video release date as from feb 3 you could download and buy the video which is more acccurate than the radio release. Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

sockpuppet
It's one editor using multiple accounts in order to appear to be different people. Brexx uses them because his main account has been blocked since March, 2008. If you look at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Brexx/Archive, you'll get a feel for how annoying he has been.

There's a whole policy page about it: WP:SOCK.&mdash;Kww(talk) 17:58, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Brexx
I saw your message on Kww's talk page. Below is a message I posted to a few user talk pages after one of Brexx latest socks were banned, hopefully it can be of some guidance in addition to Kww's reply above.

Hello, I saw you recently came across User:Tsadaqbmein, who, as it turns out, was a sockpuppet of banned User:Brexx. This is mostly a heads up, to notify you that you can freely revert any edits he has done. I have reverted a lot of Tsadaqbmein's edits, but edits to articles and areas I am not familiar with and where there were a lot of subsequent edits I could not revert. If User:Tsadaqbmein edited some article(s) you are familiar with, you might want to go back and double check his edits, and undo anything questionable. You may also want to visit Sockpuppet investigations/Brexx/Archive to familiarize yourself with his editing habits. His identifying hallmark is an overuse of '...' and underuse of capitalization, see examples: With this latest sock, he appears to have branched out into new territory, and the more people able to identify and, if possible, report him, the better, to avoid wasting time edit warring and cleaning up after him. Regards, Siawase (talk) 18:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome! And I hear that. I wasted a lot of time trying to deal with him last summer, so now I try to give users a heads up when I see him getting into it again. Siawase (talk) 18:24, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Please add your input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs
Hello, I think you may be interested in joining the discussion HERE. Thank You.—Iknow23 (talk) 11:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Music Week
Hello! Are you able to confirm for me the all peak positions of Ashley Tisdale (including her releases under High School Musical Cast) and Paramore in UK Charts? Thanks! Decodet (talk) 18:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Jayy, for WP:V can you also check this article while your doing Music Week. It's a long article, but further down there is a bit about Poker Face - look or search for 'topped by the aforementioned'. What does the sentence say? Thanks. SunCreator (talk) 23:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for confirming my edit. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 23:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't need to see those positions but thanks anyway! :D Decodet (talk) 15:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Brexx
His anonymous edits are harder to block, as admins are reluctant to block his IP range because it has negative effects on so many editors. If you suspect it's Brexx, go to the IP's contributions page and click "geolocate" on the list of links at the bottom. If it says it's from the United Arab Emirates, go ahead and revert, and include WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Brexx in the edit summary. Such reverts are immune from 3RR, but be careful: if you see the IP editing things like science articles, the odds are on it's just another Arabian editor coming through the same IP address.&mdash;Kww(talk) 17:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Nicely spotted. I can only echo Kww here. If you look at some of the more recent reports at Sockpuppet investigations/Brexx/Archive you can see that he's been using IPs from the 86.96.22*.* range before, even the specific 86.96.229.92 IP. And since .92 was now restoring edits from old confirmed socks, there's very little doubt that it's Brexx. But again to echo Kww, it's difficult to keep these IPs out since all of UAE go through the same firewall. (Heh, I just found that of course we have an article about it: Etisalat If you look at the contribs of some of these IPs you see edits that are highly unlikely to be Brexx. However some of them have been blocked in the past (see ) so if Brexx keeps being disruptive and edit warring on the .92 IP, it might be worth reporting because the admins may be willing to block just that one specific IP, even if the entire range can't be blocked due to collateral damage. Siawase (talk) 21:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Blah Blah Blah
Sorry, I reverted your chart macro upgrade because I saw the chart table on WP:CHARTS, and numerous other WP:GA and assumed it must be formatted that way. If the macro upgrade is necessary, please revert it back. I did not realize it was permitted until just then. Just to let you know that the chart positions are still correctly cited. • вяαdcяo chat  21:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The only problem is, the citations are formatted incorrectly with the macro upgrade. It requires correction. • вяαdcяo  chat  04:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, but what I really meant was this.. Please consider reading. • вяαdcяo  chat  19:53, 11 February 2010 (UT
 * First of all, the macro is optional. Secondly, ARIA is not clickable within the citation, and should be written as Australian Recording Industry Association. That is the way it has been for a long time. The Billboard source does not contain Nielsen SoundScan in the work field, as they complied the charts. The publisher should be Billboard. The same should go for other record charts, for New Zealand: Recording Industry Association of New Zealand. There is also no access date or publish date which is required. I have brought it up at the talk page for the macro template, but no one has responded. I don't think you have any knowledge of how to correctly format a citation. • вяαdcяo  chat  01:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, but please do not accuse me of lying, when the truth is right before your eyes on the article. You completely do not understand the point that I am trying to get across to you. Yes, ARIA is clickable within the table, but that is not what I am referring to at all. I have no problems with that. I am actually referring to the citation in the references section on the page, where it is not clickable. I may have to confront Kww about this macro. • вяαdcяo  chat  06:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Brazilian Chart
Oops, I should have read over it better and not assume that the charts were the same! Thanks for pointing that out. Sorry! Also, since you keep-up & contribute to the Mariah articles regularly, I was thinking that maybe Angels Cry (Remix) and Up Out My Face (Remix) be moved to Angels Cry and Up Out My Face since the songs were included on the album first and then include remix information in the lead and infobox. What do you think? Candyo32 (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I was thinking about that also. I think it's fine for them to stay like that now, I may do discussion later, but I doubt it. And thanks for reverting! Do you mind contributing your opinion here
 * Ok, thanks! Candyo32 (talk) 01:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

see Release
I'm thinking you mean have a (see Release History) option in the info box like Blah Blah Blah (song). But you would have no release date in the info box. So it would maybe say (See Releease information)? It that the idea? Same for song and single infobox template? Regards, SunCreator (talk) 03:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Multiple reverts
Those edit summaries are left by Huggle or Twinkle. I strongly advise against using either one ... they lead to sloppy editing. To revert multiple edits, just compare the last edit you want to revert to the last good one, and hit "undo".&mdash;Kww(talk) 15:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Slovakia
I wasn't able to figure out a way to link directly to an individual chart. That's why the reference includes instructions on what to enter into the search box.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Glitter Soundtrack
Hey Jay, what your saying makes sense, but although I do think it sold more than 2M, it's not about the number, it's about the sources reliability. A source that's 8 years old, cannot be deemed reliable, whether or not you think the album charted afterwards. I happen to think of Glitter & Charmbracelet as Carey's worst album's BTW, and this is coming from a very big supporter. I'm gonna consult Kevin about it, see his opinion.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 20:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Kevin seems to hold like your opinion. So we'll just have to leave it until another, more recent source comes around, Thanks.--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Really, I find Butterfly, Music Box, Daydream and The Emancipation of Mimi as her best and most solid albums. As for Memoirs, I was a bit disappointed by it, and have neutral feelings towards it. That's why I'm excited for the remixed re-release. Are you going to see her in concert when she visits the UK? I already saw her a few weeks ago and had an Incredible time, if your a fan, definitely don't miss it...^_^--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 21:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The thing about Emotions is even if it's not an amazing album, her voice was just so beautiful on that album that it's still a pleasure to listen too. I do agree with you about Rainbow. I hated the whole Rainbow era, I mean her voice was in bad shape, she began lipping alot, her songs quality was already in decline. IMO Rainbow was already a pre-Glitter breakdown. She was amazing, and I do think she'll visit the UK this time!hopefully. And Angels Cry had heavy back track and backing vocals, but she sang over them live. It was a very beautiful performance indeed!...:)--Petergriffin9901 (talk) 19:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

United States radio (reply)
You are still saying the same thing. I say that charting (or not) does not make it a single. It can still chart as a song or Album track.—Iknow23 (talk) 23:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Release Dates
Ok so here's the issue. Originally the problem started with Lady Gaga's Telephone. We all know that it was sent to radio in January but they couldn't find a sustainable source to say so. The best source found was for the the UK stating its release on March 15. Ip's kept reverting the infobox to a radio date which could not be sourced. It has blown open a massive debate about what constitutes a release. Currently wikipedia states that a song is only released when it is commericially available to purchase seperately from an album not when it is solicited to radio. Now the problem arises that some songs like H.A.T.E.U. and Ciara's Like a Surgeon were released to radio charted in the mid 60s/50s positions but never released for download. Now can you call them singles? Well H.A.T.E.U. was branded a single and had a music video but its download was cancelled. Like a Surgeon was never properly announced as a single but was for some reason solicited as a single to radio despite having no video or cover.

My line of thought (and it seems to be the current consensus) is that the infobox should only have a digital download/cd release/cassette release/vinyl release date and the earliest one at that. The release history section should contain info on radio releases. But opinion is vastly split. I personally think the solution to the problem is to create a radio songs as currently there are singles and songs templates but some releases just don't fall as either singles or songs. I'm actually really confused about this one im actually stuck trying to figure out a proper solution. It's also linked to another debate about what consistitues a song being notable for its own page. The arguments there are over whether simply charting is enough for a song to be credible for its own page and that the album's release date can be used for song release date (e.g. you can buy a single track off the album). Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * will this replace all release dates? is this the solution for every release date? if thats the case you might as well leave that section of the infobox completely blank (like they did with critical reception) so it appears more like my example?


 * i saw the example you sent but i think it will be inconsistant. With album infoboxes critical reception was removed and instead of replacing it with the note (see critical reception section) it was left blank. maybe that should happen with the infobox too? Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Nothing but Love World Tour
Your recent edits to the Nothing but Love World Tour article have been reverted. The concerts performed in Russia are apart of the tour, as they are listed in every source regarding the tour. Just because they are "rehearsal" shows--doesn't make them separate from the tour. Before you begin crying wolf, I suggest you find reliable sources to being merit to your argument.Itsbydesign (talk) 11:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Once again, your edits have been reverted. Again, I will state that you need to provide proof from third-party reliable sources to support your claim, otherwise, your edits are deemed as vandalism. Every article created (concerning Houston touring) since November 2009 until now communicate the tour began December 2009, in Russia. If you feel this is in correct, find something that supports your claim. There isn't even a source for the title "I Look to You Tour", as it appears to just be a default name given by the press. However, your belligerence is apparent in the comments left your page, I am forwarding this matter to an administrator to develop a consensus. This appears to be an un-winnable war, this seems to be the best solution. Until a decision is made from this admin, I will continue to revert any edits to the article you make concerning this matter. Itsbydesign (talk) 09:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * To further comment, I actually took the time to re-read the Moscow article and it does not state the title of the tour. It simply lists the album's title. Doing further research, there is only one article to states "I Look to You Tour", which was a personal blog citing Wikipedia. As far as it is concerned, the tour could have been called NBTWT all along, it was just not advertised as such. Additionally, there was no other promotion for the shows in Russia besides a few posters and the article in the St Petersburg/Moscow Times. At the time, it was just advertised as a Whitney Houston concert. However, again I state again that every official press release and article written regarding Houston touring states the tour begins in Russia. Thus, I see no need for separation. Again, if you want to prove that the dates in Russia are separate, please take the time to find supporting evidence.  It is already stated in the "Background" section of the article the tour begin in Russia with two rehearsal dates, there is no need to create an additional rehearsal section. I am no longer going to play the "I'm right, you're wrong" game. If you are so concerned if Wikipedia being encyclopedic, then find the correct information with supporting evidence instead of assume something based off misinterpretation. I have now changed the information in the article to the rehearsal dates being performed under "an unadvertised title". Itsbydesign (talk) 08:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

"Like A Surgeon (Ciara song)" cover
Dear Jayy008, i appreciate you uploading the cover for Ciara's Like A Surgeon". I want you to upload more song covers for me but i need you to send a message (blessing) to my talk page. I Really need you to upoad more song/single covers. Send a message saying if you will or won't do this favor for me. From Dbunkley6.....talk. —Preceding undated comment added 18:01, 12 February 2010 (UTC).

Misunderstanding
There is a misunderstanding for Kww's message. See the thing is, somebody put up some alternate cover's Ashley Tisdale's Headstrong album. It made to see that they are fake alternate covers. Kww send a message, telling me to prove if they are real covers. Now do you consider helping me?. I hope the massage didn't confuse you. From Dbunkley6......talk

Backflip (Raven-Symone song) cover
Jayy008, I need you take this theis reference: http://d.yimg.com/ec/image/v1/release/22427053;encoding=jpg;size=300;fallback=defaultImage and make it as the cover for Raven Symone's "Backflip". Please do this for me. from Dbunkley6....talk.

Ths Is My Time
The single (Backlfip) is found on the page for Raven-Symone's This Is My Time album under the section Singles. from Dbunkley6.....talk. —Preceding undated comment added 18:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC).

Tik Tok (song) + More
Hey Jayy, Could you please reformat your reference at "It has sold a total of 442,287 copies in the UK." like we did for "Blah Blah Blah". This is another of those links that I cannot access :( —Iknow23 (talk) 02:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, found another at Animal (Kesha album). Maybe you could rewiew YOUR "My contributions" to find the articles that you put edit summary of 'Added UK sales with Music Week source.' and reformat them like we did with "Blah Blah Blah"?—Iknow23 (talk) 02:23, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Chart macros
Many people think I'm an admin, so my edits don't usually get reverted.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you are asking.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically possible. I think you would have a very hard time getting an edit filter put in place to do so. There just isn't a strong enough consensus in favor of the macros to automatically block reversion.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be at Record Charts first, and then at [{WP:BOTREQ]] or [{WT:Edit filter]]. I wouldn't recommend it right now. Give me a message when you get reverted, and I'll start working with editors that are reverting.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

singlechart for Brazil
There is no expansion for Brazil, because there is no way to create a link to the magazine issue automatically.&mdash;Kww(talk) 14:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No. I saw you trying to get it to work in an edit.&mdash;Kww(talk) 16:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of JLS theatre tour
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vandalism
Vandalism is an act taken with the intent of harming the encyclopedia. I don't think his edit qualified.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Question regarding Macro reversion: Blah Blah Blah
Yes, I did say that I was going to try and modify them. I just have no idea on how to add a custom field for the publish and access date. And last time I edited the template, there was an error when I corrected the chart compliers. I have been a little busy lately, but I assure you that I will try and make an effort very soon. I am very sorry if I inconvenienced you. • вяαdcяo chat  21:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it is important to keep the record of access dates and published dates, because in some cases sources can change at an instant. We are tracking when we first accessed the source, and when it was published. That is just how citations have always been. Within the citations, people require a direct link to the chart complier, such as Nielsen. And finally, yes I originally reply to users here, then I copy it and put it on your page. • вяαdcяo  chat  21:19, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it is important that the complier is present, because it is sometimes at the readers interest how the data is collected to form the chart. In actual fact, Billboard only publish the charts. Nielsen do most of the work collecting the date. By the way, what country are you from? • вяαdcяo  chat  21:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. Well, I am from Australia, lol. • вяαdcяo  chat  05:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, its ok. It is very hot though, during summer. Winter is not bad. It isn't overly freezing, and it would probably be nothing compared to how cold it gets up in the UK. And yeah, I guess you can go ahead with the macro. I am no longer going to bother with the chart table anymore. • вяαdcяo  chat  04:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok then. I just thought you wanted to revert back to the macro again. I was saying if you wanted to, go ahead. • вяαdcяo  chat  21:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Re:Fame Monster
Hello Jamie. Nice to know your real name. :) Inorder to make an archive, just cut the contents of your talk page, which you want to archive, and paste in a new page called User talk:Jayy008/Archive 1. Now on the top of the archive page, paste the following templates talkarchive and 1, where the number signifies the archive page number. Now in the mail talk page, paste something like which will link you to the archive pages from the main talk page.

I sincerely believe that only the certifications should be kept in the column in the main article pages. However, for album discography, sales column can be kept as only the major market's certifications are put up and generally their sales are also available, via OCC or Nielsen. As for Fame Monster, I believe the album should have its own peak, ie for the combined chartings, Fame monster should take the peak of The Fame, after November 29, its release date. Will you do it? --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 03:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

RE: Angels Cry
no problem. i've not been editing that much cus i've been so tired and tbh the release history argument was really annoying me so i went off to see if there was an alternative solution. did you hear the news about JLo parting with Epic Records? Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. i do not know what the solution is for other singles but im satisfied with Hate U. yeah i think the thing with JLo is she doesnt really have the gimmicks to sell electro-pop. like lady gaga and kesha have a style and the antics that go with electropop whereas JLo wants to be taken serious as a singer but just can't pull off songs which aren't designed for her. do you not think that "everybody's love" would have suited some like rihanna better? i think she would have done better tryin to promote her album here int he Uk first because generally we better recieve her music. Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Unsure if you seen it?
—Iknow23 (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

—Iknow23 (talk) 03:05, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Soldier of love
Here is the ref to the Danish chart position. http://www.danishcharts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Sade&titel=Soldier+Of+Love&cat=a --Ahmetyal 16:06, 28 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmetyal (talk • contribs)

Talkback
Jayjg (talk) 17:50, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Jayjg (talk) 18:06, 28 February 2010 (UTC)