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2004 Palm Island death in custody
Hi Jb3, thank you for your recent contribution to the article! I'm not sure about where you have placed it within the article, although I don't have a better suggestion at the moment, I have started a discussion at the talk page and I would be interested in hearing your comments. The reason I don't think the place you have put the info is the right place is because that section specifically talks about the autopsy report which was read to the crowd leading to the riot, it is not really a section examining the reason for the death additionally the details of the autopsy report itself are only really relevant enough to be briefly mentioned. I think probably the most relevant section of the article would be where it talks about the death itself near the top. If you disagree that that is ok and I look forward to reading your comments on the talk page. Thanks, Alec -(answering machine) 07:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Jb3, The info you've put in has been fine, no probs there, but wherever possible in the future I would prefer we use national or at least state/metro level media, regional publications such as the Gold Coast Bulletin do not have a good history of reporting accurately on news stories outside of their locality (or even in their locality often enough). I emphasis again that I don't have any probs with what you've done, just flagging this for future.  I've been distracted a bit by Wikiproject Townsville, but will hopefully be getting back into this article some time soon. Thanks, Alec -(answering machine) 01:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

DRV - Hurley
Hi Jb3. I see you are canvassing for support for a review of the merge and redirect decision on the Chris Hurley article. Some pointers for you if you choose to go down that path:


 * Firstly, while I think that WP:CANVASS should be scrapped, most editors frown on canvassing such as you are doing at present.
 * Secondly, before going to DRV, it is customary and polite to ask the closing admin (in this case ) to review their decision. When doing so, make sure you have a valid reason why his/her close was in error.
 * If and when your request is turned down, then you go to DRV. Note that DRV is not a place to continue the debate. You need to show that the closing editor interpreted the debate incorrectly OR significant new information has come to light since a deletion and the information in the deleted article would be useful to write a new article.

Personally I think you are wasting your time and I certainly will be opposing any attempt to restore. Nevertheless, the decision is yours. Good luck. -- Mattinbgn\talk 01:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi,

"*Firstly, while I think that WP:CANVASS should be scrapped, most editors frown on canvassing such as you are doing at present."

Thank you for both your candour and bringing it to my attention. If it becomes an issue hopefully the fact I didn't secretly email will be taken into account as it suggests.

"*Secondly, before going to DRV, it is customary and polite to ask the closing admin (in this case ) to review their decision. When doing so, make sure you have a valid reason why his/her close was in error."

Thank you again. I don't recall reading that and appreciate the information on protocol. I will follow your advice.

As regards the balance thank you again for your opinion. I guess we shall see.Jb3 (talk) 04:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi I'm all for appealing the deletion, as i have never done that before just let me know what i need to do and i will do my best. Thanks Thuringowacityrep (talk) 10:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * In your message on my talk page you said: "He has even had books written about him and even the one event that they had in mind triggered a large series of publically known events many of which related to him." Could you expand on that? - Mgm|(talk) 08:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thuringowacityrep as you can see above there is protocol to follow before getting to that step.


 * MacGyverMagic there is a book http://www.thetallman.com.au/ which is clearly about him. (He is 200+cm tall.) There is another book called "Gone for a Song" which he is fairly prominant in. These likely are very related to the event and are mentioned solely to highlight his status as a public figure who is anything but "low profile".


 * As regards the series of events. The death in custody event itself triggered a multitude of events spanning years which were all very public. The death in custody resulted in an investigation where the initial police officers investigating knew Hurley (even visiting his house) and had to be quickly replaced, the post mortem was challenged by the lawyer hired by the deceased's family because it was argued that the initial investigating police might have influenced what had been looked for and a second post mortem was conducted, a private investigator was hired to independently conduct investigations, a coronial inquest was held but the lawyer hired by the deceased's family considered that the coroner might be biased and a new coroner was appointed, the coroner wished to bring any complaints of heavy handling in Hurley's career into her investigation and Hurley's lawyers argued unsuccessfully in the Supreme Court that only relevant information to the actual death should be used, the coronial inquest was completed finding Hurley responsible for causing the death, riots occurred where Hurley's home was set on fire, the inquest findings were later struck out in the District Court, the DPP considered whether Hurley should be charged, presumably due to the serious and sensitive nature of the matter the DPP reportedly sought advice from a retired judge, the DPP found there was insufficient evidence for trial and, soon after announcing the finding, publically commented that it was a "tragic accident", the Criminal Misconduct Commission investigated and concluded there was insufficient evidence to go to trial, the media campaigned for a trial, the Queensland Premier at the time hired a retired judge to review the DPP decision and find grounds for a trial (ironically, given that the initial police investigators were flicked due to perceived bias, he visited the deceased's family and his mother was famed as an activist for aboriginal rights), a prosecution commenced, the police held large public meetings around the state condemning what they labelled political interference, the trial was held and Hurley acquitted. The Queensland police union then commenced a series of advertisements comparing the Premier's actions in enabling a trial contrary to the DPP decision with the political interference of Robert Mugabe. In many of these well publicised things Hurley was quite central.


 * Additionally both the usual issues such as Hurley's brother having a heart attack and stories about his family were reported. That is of course irrelevant and does not assist making him encyclopedia worthy as we both know.


 * Further, and more importantly, more noteable things independent (being prior) to the event which put him in the limelight were uncovered including Hurley's work in aboriginal communities with aboriginal children and Hurley's evidence at a Federal Joint Standing Committee in which he pointed out that Palm Island doesn't have an alcohol diversion program and the only alternative is to bring drunk and disorderly people to the watchhouse. This history of aboriginal community involvement of course did a full circle because this governmental failure to implement deaths in custody recommendations was exactly what brought the deceased into the watchhouse where he died.


 * Chris Hurley is reasonably likely to be described as a household name in Australia. Jb3 (talk) 00:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

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