User talk:Jbmurray/Archive 7

Battle of Tory Island FAC
Thankyou very much for your comments, copyedit and support in this FAC, the article has now passed. Regards--Jackyd101 (talk) 17:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (Belatedly) Congrats! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Burger King Citations
The URLs are dead, so I removed them as such. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 16:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, gotcha. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Adi shankara.jpg
Would you mind checking the deleted en.wiki page of this image (it was moved to Commons). The log indicates it was uploaded twice (i.e. changed) and I'm curious to know what changed and whether the en.wiki version had any additional information (it's a replacement in a FAC that's had image problems; this image has some wrinkles and, although I don't believe them "fatal" or even intend to bring them up, I'm really hoping the change was a crop that dropped metadata). ЭLСОВВОLД talk 12:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I'm not sure what I'm looking for, I'm afraid.  But here goes...  It was uploaded first in November 2006 with the following information.  Summary: Statue of Adi Shankara at his Samadhi Mandir in Kedarnath, India. Photo taken by Priyanath. Licensing:  .  Cydebot later changed the license to  .  It was copied to Commons in June of this year, and subsequently deleted.  As for the image itself, it seems to have been uploaded twice the same day, with the same resolution (400×547) but with 82,477 bytes at first, 86,942 bytes subsequently.  I have no idea about metadata, I'm afraid. Does this help? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 13:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And now I note you can actually see most of that information. What might I be able to see that you can't? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 13:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comparing the two images by sight, it seems that the brightness has been tweaked such that the second version is lighter. Clicking on "properties" (NB I'm on a Mac) doesn't give me much in the way of information about either. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 13:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks (you answered your own question, as the check I needed was a look into the properties of the first version of the image.) Although I'm not familiar with the properties shown on a Mac, I doubt the information was there to begin with.  ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 14:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * . I'm going to have to learn Greek.  And Spanish was so easy. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, check up on the dispatch and let me know whether it's helping. ;) (As for the "hint": the wrinkles are that it's web resolution, has no metadata and appears here.  However, given the dates, the explicit indication of the author, and that the author/uploader is an established Wikipedian, I'm fine with the image.  My request is merely fishing in the hopes it will find something that will make me more comfortable.  Again, though, the image is fine as-is.)  ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 13:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got to seriously focus on the Dispatch; I've been busy with a million little things, and don't want to glance at it until I can fully concentrate. But I'll get there!  (How would I know it's web resolution, and how did you find the blogger?  More importantly, do you enjoy my displays of ignorance? :-)) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Query
What I really came here for ... regarding the Ottava Rima situation. Ceoil will be a bit strapped by two factors: 1) he's not an admin, and 2) there is already a lot of potential for other editors to engage in baiting Ottava Rima (he seems to attract the type that can't let go). I'm afraid Ceoil won't be able to be effective unless an admin works with him/them. The way I've seen mentorship work before is that the mentoring admin can keep others from baiting the target by holding the power of the short block over the mentee in the event s/he gets out of line. Without that, I'm afraid other admins will be tempted to block for every perceived infraction. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 13:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I hear what you're saying.  If, however, your "hint" is that I might volunteer to help...  I wouldn't mind except that over the next month or so I'm doing a bit of travelling again.  (Including down to Buenos Aires for the last couple of weeks of August.)  So I could help out in part, but not necessarily with much consistency. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 13:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe talk with Ceoil? I haven't been back to Buenos Aires for about 20 years now .. I wonder if the food and medical care have gotten any better :-))  I'm becoming curious lately and wouldn't mind seeing old friends ... but not enough to endure that flight.  I might even consider Wikimania if they banned cameras. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Jb, sorry for the delay in getting back to you on this. I see you'll be busy IRL for a time, and you recent contribs (yeah I watch) show that your committed already, so don't worry too much about this one. Karanacs has also offered to help out; I was pleased that both admins that approached are well known and respected on FAC as a lot of the spark points happen there.
 * Anyway enjoy Buenos Aires! Oh if only long flights didn't scare the bejasus of of me I'd have been there years ago! (  Ceoil  sláinte 00:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Jbmurray, see Administrators%27 noticeboard/Incidents. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 02:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Burger King
Hello Dr Murray...I am interested in Burger King corporate history. I have read the WP entry, which is wonderful, but do you have anything published anywhere on the net about same? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.153.220.170 (talk) 11:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. Really, I have nothing to do with that article.  You should talk to User:Jerem43.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 11:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks...I'll do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.153.220.170 (talk) 12:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

New FA-Team mission needs your help!
Félix Houphouët-Boigny needs to be copyedited and peer reviewed. We would appreciate any and all help from the crack members of the FA-Team! Sign up here. Merci! Awadewit (talk) 12:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Your thoughts
I know you are only editing on the weekends but whenever you get the chance your thoughts would be appreciated here. Regards, dvdrw 23:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Travel
Are you back, or just editing in a break? Future Dispatches are worrying me ... like what to do about August 25, while I'm trying to sort what to do about GimmeBot. Where is my shepherd? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 20:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm between trips right now, and can be in and out this week. Trying just to focus on the dispatch.  Off again at the weekend.  Will take a look at the 25th. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 21:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

A live one! Not sure when it will run, so put it at FCDW/TempFT. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 02:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * PS, Featured article candidates/Crown Fountain is ready for a revisit. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 03:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

At Swim-Two-Birds
Hi - thanks for your sterling work in cleaning up the formatting and appearance of this article, not to mention in restoring some of the perfectly good stuff that I (in a fit of intolerance) cut. I have one quibble about a change you made. W/r/t Brian O'Nolan's assiduity or otherwise as a student, I am trying to find the word which will pin down his attitude; 'inattentive' seemed wrong as while I wanted to suggest that he didn't attend lectures very often, the word actually implies that he just didn't pay much attention. 'Inattentive' and 'careless' are therefore both wrong, but 'careless' is more true about his actual attitude, although it still isn't right. On reflection I think that 'negligent' is the right word, and will change it to that. I am trying to track down in the various volumes of O'Nolan's journalism a reasonably reliable quote from him about how little work he did. His MA thesis is said by A. Cronin to be 'pedestrian', although since Cronin made an elementary mistake in translating the title from the Irish I doubt that he has actually read it. Lexo (talk) 22:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Literature in the Hoysala Empire
Hi. Michael Devore recommended you as someone with plenty of copy editing skills. The above article of mine is closing PR now. If you have the time, could you please do one round of copy editing of the above article before I nominate it for FAC. Hoping you have the time. Thanks, Dineshkannambadi (talk) 13:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Experiment
I'd like to impose an small experiment on you, if I may, as someone who has been involved with FCDW/August 11, 2008. How would you evaluate these images, both from active FACs?


 * Image:John McCain interview on April 24, 1974.jpg
 * Image:Beyonce-Deja Vu in Sweden.jpg

You may, obviously, use pre-existing knowledge, but I'm really curious as to whether the dispatch has the information needed to properly evaluate these. ЭLСОВВОLД talk 15:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh. OK.
 * The McCain image. I don't know.  Looking at the LoC site it says "No known restrictions on publication."  I'm not sure that's good enough.  You've said elsewhere that this is the LoC's "covering its ass" way of saying Public Domain.  But it's not obvious, frankly.
 * The Beyoncé image. Again, I don't know.  It does look self-made, mostly because of the fact that it features another audience member's head.  However I suspect a concert promoter may have included some kind of contract that the public will not take pictures, as part of the price of admission.  So this may well be an illegally taken picture, even if it's self-made.
 * How did I do? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 06:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * (I asked the same question! He he.) Awadewit (talk) 11:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Pending/tentative Dispatches
... mapped out at Wikipedia talk:Featured content dispatch workshop. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

A challenge ...
... should you decide to accept. I really hate doing this when I know you're traveling and when we really need you on the Dispatches, but I've got pending travel as well, and just don't have time to get to this.

See the archived ANI and Talk:Maletinazo. This article was thrown together by various Argentine and Venezuelan editors when it was news, and has a bad case of WP:RECENTISM. At the time, I mostly just tried to keep it clean and accurate, and then I forgot about it. As a result of the appearance of Alessio, it popped onto my watchlist again, and a whole slew of new sources were uncovered. Amazingly, as soon as the subject started cooperating with the FBI, it turned out that the briefcase he was carrying through customs wasn't his at all and he was exonerated. At any rate, the article needs a complete rewrite, top to bottom, to avoid recentism, reflect the new sources, and replace Spanish-language sources with English when available. Not only do I not have time, I'm really troubled by the notion of an article being cleansed at the prodding of someone who works for a firm whose job is to do such things, so I hesitate to dive in here at all. It needs a good neutral editor who can sort back through all the Spanish sources. If you're interested. Nice work on Sacks, too! Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Image reviews of FACs
I wanted to know if you wanted to help me review images at FAC. Since the semester is starting soon, I'm afraid I'm going to be overwhelmed and it would be nice to know that there are other reliable people helping out! :) Awadewit (talk) 11:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit request
Hey John, i was wondering if you were around, if you could copyedit scattered disc before we send it off to FAC. Cheers, -- Lord    Sunday   15:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Félix Houphouët-Boigny
You signed up to work on Félix Houphouët-Boigny, an FA-Team mission. After undergoing a thorough peer review and GA review, the article has been much improved. Now we need to copyedit - come join the party! Awadewit (talk) 09:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Burger King legal issues
Hi,

I was just wondering, did I resolve all of the issues you raised in the FAC? Could you please respond at the peer review I set up.

Thank you for your time,

--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 19:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Burger King legal issues
Hi,

I was just wondering, did I resolve all of the issues you raised in the FAC? Could you please respond at the peer review I set up.

Thank you for your time,

--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 19:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Howdy
I see you've set the ball rolling. I posted a note about it at the WP:FAT proposal page. You probably watch that page, but just in case you don't I thought I'd let you know so you can keep an eye on comments. For example, if I recollect the previous timeline, the students really didn't get started till halfway through the semester, and so there wasn't much for the FA team to do for a month or more. On the other hand it might be good to encourage the students to get started earlier so they don't have a mad rush at the end (traditional though that may be). So, just FYI. Good luck with it! Mike Christie (talk) 00:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, I'll echo Mike's wishes for another successful project! I'm also interested to see how things develop, given the benefit of experience this time round ;) EyeSerene talk 11:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Yup, saw the note, Mike. Many thanks! Actually, I've been a little shy about draining more FA-Team resources, though as before it would be much appreciated. Am indeed trying to get the students to hit the ground running this semester... Will write more shortly. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Félix Houphouët-Boigny
Hello there. Just want you to know Félix Houphouët-Boigny is up for PR again. Notifying you because you are significantly involved in it. (yes this is a serialized message :) --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * While I'm here, I saw this thread: can you glance at the situation at Featured article candidates/1964 Gabon coup d'état? I've consulted Raul. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

While I'm thinking about it ...
Jb, while I remember (I may forget later :-), can you help the class members establish how/when/who will nominate articles at FAC for WikiProject North of the Rio Grande, so I'm not placed in the uncomfortable position of sorting premature noms? Three of them have come up from the FA-team, recently Ling.Nut removed his name from a nom, and I'd rather not be the one sorting; maybe you all can address that in advance? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. No problem.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Dispatch openings
Looking ahead, I see a shortage of Dispatch items left to cover; any ideas or interest in writing up anything related to any area of content review? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Cirt RFA
Jb, I hope you won't be offended if I say that I think it's a little uncalled-for to round on Justallofthem in Cirt's RFA. Justa's not the one requesting adminship, right? And as far as I know, he hasn't done anything that makes him unworthy of commenting on an RFA, either. It honestly doesn't look to me like he's "insinuating" stuff; I believe he means what he says. Bishonen | talk 15:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC).
 * Hi. I'm certainly not trying to "round on" Justallofthem.  I myself pointed out that it wasn't his RfA.  I tried to focus on his account of Cirt as Cirt.  But I do think that his account of Cirt's history was disingenuous at best.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs)

Re:Gabon
Hi Jbmurray. Thanks for your copediting of the article; it is very much appreciated. I should have made clear who I was talking to in my edit summary; you weren't "insulting my efforts", it was Ling.nut. I have indeed checked the original newspaper sources, and the were not retranslations. If you want to prove it, ask Nishkid64 for the PDFs: he was the one who originally sent them to me. I think he obtained them through his college/university (I guess not every one gives it out free-aren't you a professor at a university in British Columbia?) The problem with the sourcing of the article was the fact that it was originally a direct translaton from Léon Mba. Of course, I have added onto it, but I may have may a spelling error in transcription--sorry about that. Your friend Eddy of the wiki[citation needed] 03:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. No problem.  Yup, when I looked at the NYT article (I have to establish a virtual connection to the university server to do so when I'm at home, and then go through the library website, which is why I didn't check it immediately), I saw that it wasn't a re-translation, though there was an error in the transcription.  It's always worth double-checking quotations.  My question/comment was simply picking up on an inference from Ling.Nut.  And as I say, as I'm short of time, I simply scanned the preceding discussion very quickly.  I hope to do a bit more copy-editing later.  All the best with the FAC.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 03:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Moving Central American departments
I reported you for supporting, like me, a common naming scheme for country subdivision articles. TopoCode (talk) 04:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Suspected sock puppets/Tobias Conradi doesn't look like anything you need to spend much time on. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

hello, I've got a question
This is Ben. I don't understand how this works. All very complicated! --Hoekie (talk) 21:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, I'm getting it. --Hoekie (talk) 21:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

gabon: comprehensiveness in itself is quite easily enough to Fail the FAC.
The POV issues are real, but play into the hands of manipulation via "stop French bashing." So please see "Much of article weak on comprehensiveness" which in itself is quite easily enough to Fail the FAC. Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 02:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We're trying to get them sources. Gee, ling, is it possible for you to be specific in what sources you used to extract that information? There are not really any POV issues that haven't been worked out (but if there is please explain.) Jbmurray, you were half right--if all FACs received this kind of source check, Wikipedia would me much better. But, if all FACs did receive this kind of source check, I probably wouldn't have submitted Gabon in the first place! :) Your friend Eddy of the wiki [citation needed] 21:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

unreliable resouces
Hey Jon, we found a great article on the web about the REAL Woman Hollering Creek in Texas, at: http://www.texasescapes.com/MaggieVanOstrand/La-Llorona-Does-She-Seek-Your-Children.htm  The article is called 'La Llorana - Does She Seek Your Children?' by Maggie Van Ostrand, a syndicated humor columnist. The information in this article would be excellent for our background section, but is there any way that we can use it from this source?? Please advise. :)--Katie322 (talk) 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. Yes, that looks at first sight like an OK source.  To learn more about what Wikipidia thinks are "reliable sources," see WP:RS.  Note, however, that your focus should be on the book itself.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that the same website was used for the wikipedia article Woman Hollering Creek (use the link 'La Llorona' on this site to see Maggie's article) ...does that mean it's okay to use? They've sourced it as "a website devoted to the Legend of Woman Hollering Creek". I've checked for library books, but the one containing the legend is on a pending order :( --Katie322 (talk) 22:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You can always go ask the librarian if they can hurry the order up! Librarians are always eager to hear from students.  I recommend you go talk to them about the project in any case.  Note that very many articles on Wikipedia in fact use unreliable sources: the fact that another article uses a particular source doesn't necessarily make it OK.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia for Dummies
I tried to write a comment on the discussion page of your Chicano Literature Article. And managed to get some weird cut-out thingy on the top. Then i wrote it UNDER your plan. What's the protocol on commenting on stuff? (Like how do I make it appear UNDER the thing I'm commenting on?) Also, how do I cut my stupid, 10 feet long weird comment on the top there? --Valerieraynard (talk) 23:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Valerie, I just had a look. Thanks for the suggestion.  I can't really see that you've done anything wrong.  Everything looks just fine!
 * NB, however, that the protocol is usually to add comments to the bottom, not the top, of talk pages. If you hit "edit this page," just scroll down until you hit the bottom.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi; I did some cleanup on that page (that's why it looks OK now) and I left what I hope is a helpful message for Valerie at her talk page. Mike Christie (talk) 00:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha, yes, I figured that out after a minute or two. Many thanks!  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

A few pointers?
I've just cleaned the prose of Woman Hollering Creek and Other Stories somwhat, and it's obvious your students (or some of them at least) needs a few quick pointers on writing for WP (e.g. "You do not need a thesis" and "drop the lyrical statement"), I'm just not clear where to do this best. Should I make it an essay in my userpage, direct comment to the concerned editors, or a post on WP:NRG's talk page? Circeus (talk) 02:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for this. I (and they, I'm sure) are very grateful for all your help.  Don't feel you need to go to the lengths of writing an essay in your userpage.  I'd say drop a note on the talk page for Woman Hollering Creek and Other Stories and/or WP:NRG.  Again, thank you so much!  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hey Jon, thanks for the help with the article, hopefully I can pick up a bit of formatting knowledge pretty soon (if I can find the time between these Marti readings...) cheers --Mstmaurice (talk) 06:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Favour
If you have a moment, would you mind looking at the deleted local version of Image:Gene therapy.jpg to see whether it contained source information? It would be nice to be able to include it in an article at FAC, but the (perhaps incomplete) transfer to the Commons left us without a means of checking provenance. Эlcobbola talk 18:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * All it says is " Gene therapy using an Adenovirus vector ."  Ah, and how did I do here?  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you.
 * McCain was more or less a control. The "covering their asses" knowledge is something that only comes with a lot of time spent at LoC; there's no reasonable expectation that an image reviewer would know that.  You're right in that such a statement alone would probably not be sufficient ("No known restrictions", after all, is not "No restrictions").  Doing a bit of exploring in the links, however, gets one here, which is far more explicit.
 * As for Beyonce, snapping a photo without permission isn't really a copyright consideration (the issue can get complicated when notions of trespassing, etc. come into play, but that's more punctilious than we need to be here). The problem is that the stated authors (Sarah Marklund and Hanna Söderlund) ≠ uploader (Mark Anthony Efe).  We don't have a verifiable source (which, in this case, would be the author's contact information, per IUP).  We don't have the information or details necessary to confirm the "Given with permission" assertion.  Эlcobbola  talk 19:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Jb, if you have a spare moment or need a change of pace, the "non-free" Dispatch would no doubt benefit from your input (e.g. copyedit, comments, questions, etc.) Эlcobbola  talk 15:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Elcobbola, you linked above to the "Free" Dispatch: Non-free is at WP:FCDW/September 22, 2008. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You must own stock in Starbucks. I'll go pay them a visit to curtail such mistakes for the remainder of the day.  At least I got Awadewit's right.  Эlcobbola  talk 15:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Me? I hate everything about Starbucks; my coffee beans come home with me in a suitcase each time I travel :-) But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, and I did unload buckets of AIG stock over a year ago!  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure the security screeners love you. ;) Decades of failure to enforce antitrust does make the markets oh so much fun.  Эlcobbola  talk 15:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Opinion on synonymy of werewolf and lycanthrope
G'day Jb, I figured you may have an opinion on this question as I note you had some involvement with a (sort of) similar topic of Murder, Madness, and Mayhem. Namely are the terms werewolf and lycanthrope synonymous? I can't think of any information which would be on one page and not the other, apart from one item of the term lycanthrope being generalised to other shapechanges than werewolves but only in D&D. see Talk:Werewolf Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. As far as I'm aware, they are pretty much perfect synonyms.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. If you feel comfortable doing so, a note at the page would be much appreciated to get a clear-cut show of consensus. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think we can say we started?
I've been working on Woman Hollering Creek and Other Stories in the past few minutes. I think we should take this live. Anyway, you might want to teach your students referencing. ;) &mdash; Sunday   [speak+]  11:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh? Why'd you revert all those edits? ;) &mdash; Sunday   | Speak  23:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm sorry about the brusque way in which I undid the edits (I accidentally used rollback, in fact, for which I'm especially sorry).  I wanted to get the referencing straight, and so to re-do your referencing.  Especially in that this is an article we hope to expand significantly, it's best not, I think, to move all citations to the inline notes.  I did appreciate some of your edits, and you'll see I incorporated them: e.g. moving the infobox up, and catching the typo in the section heading.  Many thanks for your help!  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 23:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate using citation tags! Why do you like them so? :0 &mdash; Sunday   | Speak  20:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Chicano literature DYK

 * Many thanks! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 23:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Anything else for DYK?
Hey Jon! Our article hook now has a green check mark by it which means it's ready, but do we have to do anything else to get it on the DYK page? I'm a little nervous because it's on the expiring nominations list. Please let me know. Thanks! --Katie322 (talk) 16:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I saw that they finally got around to checking it. Nope, I think that that's that...  It'll go on the main page probably in the next twenty-four hours.  Keep an eye on it, just in case.  (I am, too.)  Well done!  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Guyana
I'm not sure how much this is your area, but I thought I'd ask. I've gotten somewhat interested in working on the Guyana article, but I'm having trouble finding a good source for either the current state of the country or the history. I suspect what I need to do first is read a good summary history of South America, and then more specialized works. Is this an area where you know of a couple of good sources I should look at? The list of references in the article seems very weak to me; the one I could find that actually looked like a non-fiction reference work, Vere Daly's The Making of Guyana, turned out to be textbook aimed at about 8th or 9th grade students. Usable, but scarcely comprehensive. If this isn't your area, no problem; just thought you might know. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 11:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Admin attn needed
Jon, Joelr31 is off Wiki for several weeks, Raul is traveling, and Marskell is in a weird time zone, logs on sporadically. Can you keep an eye on this? The FAR is already closed, but GimmeBot hasn't been through yet, and this editor threatens to re-nom immediately if closed (see FAR instructions, three to six months between noms). I can't enter into this if he makes a pointy re-nom. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 00:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Bothering you again
Apologies for again imposing on you, but would you mind giving me the scoop on this deleted imaged? I'd also like to see this one, if possible; would you be willing to email it to me if I sent you my address? If these requests are at all a hassle, let me know and I'll bug someone else. ;) Эlcobbola  talk 01:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I can email. My email is enabled.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good deal. Sent.  Эlcobbola  talk 12:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Jon, tell him you won't do it unless he stands for RfA :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. It's not a hassle.  But as SandyG suggests, you do seem to have rather a good reason for the administrative tools...  (Mind you, she can talk, eh?)  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I can't deny there's a need. There was a proposal (at Meta, I believe) to allow Commons admins to see deleted image revisions on other projects for just these instances.  Down in flames it went and, with it, my ability to put up User wikipedia/Anti-Administrator.  So, yes, I just may stand.  Эlcobbola  talk 12:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Email: thou shalt have in 2 minutes
Sandy and EC have important queries (above). I'm just yabbling. ;-) Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 01:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Church
Hello, you are receiving this message because you voted in the last FAC for this article. Currently, it is undergoing a peer review and I invite you to come view the page and offer any suggestions for improvement here. Over the past three months, the page has been improved with additional scholarly works, trims, two new sections suggested in and attention to concerns raised during the last FAC. Thanks in advance for your time, attention and help to bring this important article to FA.  Nancy Heise    talk  23:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

"Is defined as..."
Well, when you're dealing with a technical term, "is defined as" may be appropriate. The fact is, "major depressive episode" is a technical term defined by DSM-IV to have the meaning given in the article. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's clumsy and redundant in all cases, without exception. If you want to indicate that you are offering a particular definition (in this case, the DSM's), then you should say so.  As in: "The DSM defines 'major depressive episode' as..." HTH.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia - The Missing Manual
I'm offering two free copies of my book (on how to edit Wikipedia) to anyone giving a college/university course that involves improving Wikipedia articles. If you're interested, please let me know (via email or posting on my user talk page) where you'd like the copies to be sent. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)