User talk:Jbuchman

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Articles for deletion/Antiochian Catholic Church in America
If you wish to contest the closure of this AFD as "Keep", you can start a discussion through the deletion review process. Cirt (talk) 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Exopolitics article, Congressional Race, ACCA deletion (actually keep) review
I am seeking help with four issues. Feel free to assist with any one, any combination, or all four.

ISSUE ONE process for rewriting the deleted exopolitics article

I may want to work on a version of the deleted exopolitics article that would comply with Wikipedia standards.

The article has been deleted and (I believe the term is salted). Is it possible to get a copy of the prior to deletion article put into my sandbox at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jbuchman/Exopolitics&action=edit

Last month I put a delete review on the ACCA, a small "orthodox" church in Knoxville TN, to which I used to belong, and at which I remember discussions regarding a fear of being deleted due to a lack of notoriety. Three priests, maybe 20 members total. All newspaper articles cited in the review discussion written by one of their members. But resulted in a speedy keep.

By contrast the exopolitics conference in Washington DC had 400+ attendees, and the keynote speaker was Dr. Edgar Mitchell, sixth man to walk on the moon, PhD from MIT. ..

Not complaining here, just seeking to learn the difference.

I am considering asking for a keep/delete decision review, but want to be sure I have the most accurate argument in place for that first.

ISSUE TWO timeline for a deletion/keep decision review request?

Is there a deadline for seeking a deletion/keep decision review that after a keep decision was reached?

ISSUE THREE existing empty page about me, should I be the one to edit it?

I am the Libertarian candidate for the US Congress in Utah's first district and have included exopolitical issues in the campaign. Would like to mention that at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Geddes_Buchman&action=edit&redlink=1

that is linked from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_Utah,_2008

Is it consistent with wikipedia policy for me to edit that page about my own campaign?

ISSUE FOUR editing the exopolitics redirect to a more useful existing page

A search for exopolitics on wikipedia currently goes to a brittish alternative rock album. This seems at best unhelpful and at the very worst possibly malicious.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exopolitics

As there is a page here on Astrobiology,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology

it seems to me the redirect for those searching the term exopolitics might be better redirected there, or to the article on SETI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSETI

or to Extraterrestrial_life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life

or even this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exopolitics_Institute

What is the process for editing that redirect for exopolitics to one of the other articles above; or asking for a review of the decision to send it to the current article?

It just seems to me given the other content on Wikipedia that an article on exopolitics that meets Wikipedia standards whould be possible (not to say the old one met those standards). Otherwise the assumption regarding political relationships within the context of astrobiology and the other subjects above, would have to be that said life is not capable of becoming conscious, or able to communicate with an others.

I am fairly new here and apologize for any misunderstandings or ignorance about the above.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

Jbuchman (talk) 17:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Issue 1 -- check the deletion log (found by clicking on the red link), and find the admin who deleted the page. Ask them if they can send you a copy. Issue 2 -- Not that I know of. Issue 3 -- Maybe, but be very careful, see conflict of interest and biographies of living people. Issue 4 -- When you click on the redirect, it should say at the top "Redirected from name of page". Click the name of page" part to give you the actual content of the redirect, so you can edit it yourself and re-target it.  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Help Me Question
When I follow TenPoundHammer's direction regarding the redirect, I get:

You do not have permission to edit pages, for the following reason: This page has been locked to prevent editing. You can view and copy the source of this page:

Jbuchman (talk) 18:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The page is protected. You will need to use the editprotected template on the talk page of exopolitics and ask for a change in the redirect. An admin will come and review your request.  Gtstricky Talk or C 18:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Jbuchman (talk) 18:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Now what?
I followed the advice above to:

"Issue 1 -- check the deletion log (found by clicking on the red link), and find the admin who deleted the page. Ask them if they can send you a copy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sandstein

the request was declined with a reply that seems to be in violation of Wikipedia standards (was I just called a crank?)

I hold an earned PhD in Mass Communications from Indiana University (1989), am a published author, have visited NASA's SETI project when it was housed at Ames, am one of four candidates on the ballot here in Utah's first district, for a seat in the US Congress, and have, I believe a legitimate interest in, and ability to contribute to this subject.

Is there a process for a review of this administrator's decision?
 * Have you read the policies that Sandstein linked you to? — [ roux  ] [ x ] 19:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

yes. Perhaps you could be specific. None seem to directly relate to his the decline of the request to put the deleted article in a sandbox or to provide information on how to appeal his decline of this request.

Others might more directly relate to what I am sure he did must not have intended regarding what some might see as calling me a crank.
 * I suggest that you continue your conversation with Sandstein at his page. I can't see deleted contributions as I am no an admin, and therefore cannot comment on his reasoning other than what he has said. Moreover, there was not even an implication that you're a crank. Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors on this project. — [ roux  ] [ x ] 19:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

With all respect The only reason offered for the decline of a request to put the deleted article into my sandbox was:

" the only people to show interest in this topic so far are patent cranks, and I am not interested in dealing with them in any capacity any more. "

I shall, as you suggest, nonetheless assume that the administrator has some other good reason so far undisclosed for declining my request than including me as a "patent crank." Jbuchman (talk) 19:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * My mistake; I missed that bit. Please read WP:FRINGE. It should give you a good idea of what's going on, and then continue your conversation with Sandstein. Cheers. — [ roux  ] [ x ] 20:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

The bit you missed hit like a brick, but I'll drop it with the assumption the words "up till now" were inadvertently left out.

The WP:FRINGE link you provided is excellent. Very helpful. Thanks. I think I can write something that would gain consensus as meeting Wikipedia standards on this subject. Even though it would be helpful to have the earlier article, it doesn't really matter (although I will pursue a review of the decision first on the admin's talk page, and then, if needed in a dispute review by other admins if I understand the process correctly).

A Google search for "percentage of americans who believe in ufos" results in over 700,000 hits on that exact phrase, numerous sources, including academic studies that indicate about 1/3rd of Americans do. If you include God as an ET (which by definition s/he is) then it's 92 percent! And with Creation Science, it occurs to me some may chose to try to relate to that Creator politically rather than through prayer or mystical means. Not to ramble on, but to say foremost THANKS for the link to WP:FRINGE. Spurred a lot of ideas.

MfD nomination of User:Jbuchman/Exopolitics
User:Jbuchman/Exopolitics, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jbuchman/Exopolitics and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Jbuchman/Exopolitics during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Dougweller (talk) 14:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)