User talk:Jcbutler/Archive 1

references in Social psychology (psychology) article
Many of the references listed on this page pertain to removed sociology content, or are not cited for other reasons. I'd like to suggest that we keep this page consistent with APA style and only list references that are cited in the article. A suggested reading section might be useful, but a comprehensive bibliography for social psychology would be far beyond the scope of what we can do here. --- User:Jcbutler


 * Hi J.C. Butler. It appears that you, yourself, added the multitude of references (on Revision as of 22:24, 19 October 2006 Jcbutler) that you just unilaterally removed without discussion. I suggest a discussion before seemingly drastic measures like that next time. Not sure what to do now. Those references were helpful, albeit a bibliography of sorts. Now I see you've added them back, sans E. Jones and Hastorf. Regards. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 18:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC) (talk)

Yes, I transferred all of them over from the old page a few days ago, with the thought of sorting them out later (later being today). Unless I've overlooked something, only the references specifically mentioned in the text are now listed. I got rid of a lot of them, including some that were really not related to social psychology at all, e.g. William James. Many of them were very high quality sources, just not "references." I still need to find Lewin, and of course there are all kinds of other thinks that need to be fixed and edited. I do apologize if I stepped on your toes there. Jcbutler

Personality psychology
Hi Jcbutler, I read that your professional interest is in personality psychology. Can you look over it because i believe that some of the text doesn't pertain to personality and I've got midterms right now. thank you,--Janarius 15:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'll try to look that over this weekend, but I'll probably concentrate on cleaning up the social psychology page before I take any big steps in that direction.

Re: chess
Hi, I tried to fix the vandalism on the chess template, but I don't think I was successful. I'm still a bit new at this...Jcbutler 08:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello! The best thing that you can do if you want to understand and counter vandalism is read Vandalism. This should give you enough background information - please ask if you need any more assistance. Regards, (aeropagitica) 13:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Verbal
Not quite: "verbal" has two senses, where the first is as you describe, and the second is as a meaning for "non-written". I derived my comments from the second sense, where there is no contradiction; and a minimally charitable reading will always choose the most consistent of the two senses. Honestly, this is a matter of what you're overlooking. { Ben S. Nelson } Lucidish 16:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Undeletion
Hi, JC. With creds like yours, I am going to defer to your knowledge and skill and undelete the article. Thanks for your patience. - Lucky 6.9 20:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you much! Jcbutler 20:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL! Wow, not much there, is there? You might want to go back in the edit history to find a longer version that you can use to build around. - Lucky 6.9 20:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

JC. You undeleted a paragraph dealing with criticism of psychology that I deleted. The reason I deleted it was that the criticism was concerned with NLP, primal therapy and rebirthing. However, these are new age or pseudopsychologies and should not be considered part of the mainstream. Therefore using them as examples for criticising psychology is a straw man because they are not recognised psychological approaches. You refer to them as psychotherapies which they are not. I would agree if you were making a point about the shaky scientific ground on which some legitimate psychotherapies were based such as psycohanalysis and humanistic therapies. Voloshinov 19:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I never referred to them as psychotherapies, though I'm sure they could be classifed that way. Just not very good therapies. I undeleted the passage because it is true that There is also concern from researchers concerning a perceived scientific gap between research and clinical practice in psychology. The paragraph could be rewritten to distinguish between mainstream and fringe therapies, but this is a legitimate issue in psychology. As you said, there are still plenty of psychoanalysts doing therapy that is on shakey ground, and we can't just say it's not psychology and then ignore it. I think the paragraph should be rewritten, not deleted, and I've continued the discussion on the Talk:Psychology page. Jcbutler 07:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Opinion wanted
Thanks for the note - I replied to that on my talk page. I have a request - I've been working on the Utah portal and would like an outside opinion. Give it a look-over and a critique when you have time. Thanks, &mdash; Zaui (talk) 21:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

In case you're interested
Just saw this: Portal:Psychology is a featured portal candidate. Looks like they need more input. &mdash; Zaui (talk) 23:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Social psychology (psychology) review
Per your request, I've started to wade through Social psychology (psychology). So far, I've been adding (quite a few) wiki-links and made a sub-section for Persuasion under Attitudes, since it took up two paragraphs. I won't finish today, but just wanted to update you on my progress.

One thing that an outsider may wonder about - why the distinction between Social psychology (psychology) and Social psychology (sociology)? There isn't Biochemistry (chemistry) and Biochemistry (biology), there's just Biochemistry, so what makes this different? &mdash; Zaui (talk) 21:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a really good question. Glimpses of the answer can be found scattered around the discussion section on the original social psychology page, but I think there is more to the story than what is written there. To some extent, we don't have the bedrock of empirical fact that gives the hard sciences their well grounded consensus. Yeah, you guys debate the occasional issue, like whether or not Pluto is a planet, but for most of social science, that is the constant state. Most of us would kill to have something as objective as the periodic table to put at the center of our discipline. As close as we can get are the big five personality traits, but even that is still debated in terms of the sufficiency of the factors, and their theoretical basis. This is why philosophers like Thomas Kuhn say that psychology is stuck in a "preparadigmatic" state. There is a lot of truth to that. And that's just psychology. We haven't even gotten to sociology yet.


 * If the first reason is empirical, then it almost inevitably leads to the second reason, which is theoretical and conceptual. The psychologists and sociologists that do social psychology have different orientations and look at behavior on somewhat different levels and angles. Even where they should meet, they don't quite line up eye to eye. We speak a somewhat different language, and have different assumptions about what we do. Sociologists talk about broad concepts like "social structures" and psychologists scratch their heads and wonder how that would be measured. They're more interested in abstractions like inequality and social power. Of course, for the sociologists, we're too narrow and atomistic, looking at the trees and not seeing the forest. Without a common periodic table, it's too easy to drift apart into different academic journals and different sets of jargon. And that's pretty much what happened.


 * For all my arguing with Lucidish on these pages, his heart is in the right place. We might be able to merge the two pages together again at some point, at least on wikipedia. It would take effort and more input from sociologists, and I'm not sure if there are any about right now. There aren't as many sociological people working in this area anyway. And it looks like they have done more borrowing from the other side than psychology has (e.g. social cognition), so a sociological perspective might be inherently more interdisciplinary, and thus useful for unification. Probably though, we'd just have a very volatile page that was never able to reach any kind of consensus. Jcbutler 05:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste
Regarding your recent move of content from Extraversion to Extraversion and Introversion: Please use the move function, instead of copy-and-paste, when renaming a page. This avoids splitting the page history in several places. Russ (talk) 18:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tip. I will do it this way in the future. Jcbutler 06:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You should talk to an administrator about fixing this - the page history needs to be merged - see Requested moves &mdash; Zaui (talk) 18:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Pictures sizes
Should be set to thumb, with no explicit PX set. Doing it this way will allow the user preferences to be used, instead of the picture being forced to a different size. Atom 00:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. Does wikipedia have picture guidelines posted anywhere? --Jcbutler 00:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at Image use policy. Atom 03:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Humo(u)r
Re: Humo(u)r: I realise I probably came across as rather tetchy about this. Sorry about that -- I'm a little stressed out in RL at the moment, so I should probably stay away from these life-or-death (not) spelling debates! &mdash; Matt Crypto 22:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, no problem. I figure I have said my piece and am willing to let the masses decide. Best regards, Jcbutler 23:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

et al.
Your bot did not transform all the "et als" on aggression, leaving several unitalicized. Also, are you sure that this is supposed to be italicized in Harvard style? The example given on the wiki page is not italicized... Thanks. --Jcbutler 16:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Websites showing usage of "et al" without italics: ,, ,

Please also note that APA style also uses et al. without italics. --Jcbutler 17:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Thanks for pointing that out. I guess I should stay away from italicising "et al." for the moment, although I *will* continue to change "et al" and "et. al." to "et al.", since that's the proper abbreviation of "et alli" Life is full of exceptions isn't it? Cheers, CmdrObot 00:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Google
You're not convinced that Google counts pages that do not contain the word "humor" as hits for that word? Jooler 21:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Socionics
A while back you removed the article on Socionics from Category:Psychology. I reinserted the article into the category and left a message on the talk page but I figured I should give you a heads up about it. If you still feel that the page does not belong in the category, please respond on the article's talk page. Thanks. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 20:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

About Marycrest
The campus buildings still exist, though, and the gymnasium is home to the Quad City Riverhawks. I hope you understand. Tom Danson 16:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Minnesota Wikiproject
Hello. I'd like to thank you for your many valuable contributions, and to invite you to join the Minnesota Wikiproject, if you are interested. Jonathunder 20:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I just joined. --Jcbutler 20:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Rating the ToK
Hi. I'm trying to get members of the Psychology Project together and rate both the quality and importance of the Tree of Knowledge System. Hope you're interested when you're done with your break. Have a great day! EPM 22:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar
Now I'll have to redesign my user page (which is a mess, anyway) to add an awards section. &mdash; Zaui (talk) 16:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Request for peer review
The article Clinical psychology has just been listed for peer review. You are invited to lend your editing eyes to see if it needs any modifications, great or small, before it is submitted to the Featured Article review. Then head on over to the peer review page and add your comments, if you are so inspired. Thank you!! Psykhosis 20:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

ABA
Hi,

Just to let you know, I reverted your change to the capitalization of ABA on the Punishment (psychology) page. The MOS on capitalization is a bit fuzzy, but I think capitalized first letters is appropriate (and note that the wikipage itself is capped (Applied Behavior Analysis). However, if you feel really strongly, I'd be very happy to discuss.

Thanks,

WLU 20:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Responding to suicidal individuals
Hello Jcbutler, I don’t think we’ve met. I’m S.dedalus, good to meet you. The reason I am here is that the discussion at the proposed policy/guideline Wikipedia talk:Responding to suicidal individuals is in desperate need of an expert in the aria of clinical psychology. Specifically, concerning how best to respond (or whether to respond) to a suicidal individual. If you have any experience in this field, would you be willing to look in that discussion and provide your opinion? S.dedalus 02:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice to meet you too. I can take a look, but I'm certainly not a specialist in this area. --Jcbutler 22:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Meetup in Minneapolis
 Minnesota Meetup Sunday, 2007-10-07, 1:00 p.m. (13:00) Pracna on Main 117 Main SE, Minneapolis, Minnesota Map Please pass this on! RSVP here.  Spam delivered by -Susanlesch 16:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)