User talk:Jcmmanuel/My Empire of Sound

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because this band already has a reputation, they have a website, they are on twitter, soundcloud and so on, with a number of followers. They are just not well known yet in the U.S. because they are a Scandinavian band that does not make standard Pop music but a more artistic, gentle and very musical genre of indie-pop. By the way, I am well aware that this page requires some work to complete the essential information. Why does Wikipedia want to delete a page even in its earliest stage of creation? New pages are a work under construction. The information on this page is correct, but very basic.

I quote from the [Criteria for Speedy Deletion page]: Contributors sometimes create pages over several edits, so administrators should avoid deleting a page that appears incomplete too soon after its creation.

--jcmmanuel (talk) 21:35, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The biggest problem here is that you haven't shown where the band has received coverage in reliable sources (WP:RS) like news articles. I also want to note that article is also full of statements that at best could be seen as original research and your personal opinions on the work. Examples of this are the phrases "There's a very scandinavian feel to the songs, very pop and at the same time slightly melancholic." and "It is chock full of great songwriting and interesting synth music, beat machines and a multitude of instruments.". Not only are these written from a fan's point of view and could be seen as your own original research, but they could also be seen as promotional in tone since you're writing the sentence to tell us how good the band is. The problem is that all articles must be written in a neutral and encyclopedic tone. You should not and I repeat should not put in statements like this unless you are directly quoting a review in a reliable source like Pitchfork. On top of that, you quote a band member without showing where you took this quote for. While I don't think that you're making it up, we have no way of verifying the accuracy of the statement without the source in question. We've had people come on here and try to claim a great many things and for various reasons (a lot of them legal) Wikipedia requires sourcing for quotes like that. As far as it getting nominated so quickly, it happens and while it's nice when an admin tries to help by transferring it to your userspace or to AfC, we are under no true obligation to retain a page if there isn't a good assertion of notability. I'm going to transfer this into your userspace, but I do need to stress that you must find coverage in reliable sources. Please be aware that the band's popularity or presence on social media sites, music websites like Bandcamp, and so on do not automatically mean that the band passes notability guidelines. (WP:ITSPOPULAR) A multitude of downloads does make it more likely that the band will receive notice, but it's not a guarantee. As far as ranking on those sites go, they don't really count towards notability on Wikipedia. When it comes to charts we only really count the national ranking charts like Billboard. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:12, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And again, I really want to warn you about writing with a fan's point of view. I've seen articles get deleted despite having notability, all because the article was written in such a fannish, promotional point of view that it needed to be completely deleted and re-written from scratch. Also, I wanted to note that coverage does not have to be in English, since the band is Scandinavian and could potentially have coverage in another language. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:14, 1 November 2014 (UTC)