User talk:Jcraigphotos

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Speedy deletion nomination of Jon craig photography


A tag has been placed on Jon craig photography, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Beloved Freak  22:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

May 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, the username you have chosen (Jcraigphotos) seems to imply that you are editing on behalf of a group, company or website.

There are two issues with this :
 * 1) It is possible that you have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, you must exercise great caution when editing on topics related to your organization.
 * 2) Your account cannot represent a group of people. You may wish to create a new account with a username that represents only you. Alternatively, you may consider changing your username to avoid giving the impression that your personal account is being used for promotional purposes.

Regardless of whether you change your name or create a new account, you are not exempted from the guidelines concerning editing where you have a conflict of interest. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. Beloved Freak  22:04, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended or used for publicity and/or promotional purposes. Please read the following carefully.

Why can't I edit Wikipedia?

Your account's edits and/or username indicate that it is being used on behalf of a company, group, celebrity or other well-known individual, or organization for purposes of promotion and/or publicity. The edits may have violated one or more of our rules on spamming, which include: adding inappropriate external links, posting advertisements, and using Wikipedia for promotion. Wikipedia has many articles on companies, groups, and organizations, but such groups are generally discouraged from using Wikipedia to write about themselves. In addition, usernames like yours are disallowed under our username policy.

Probably not. See WP:FAQ/Organizations for a helpful list of frequently asked questions by people in your position. Also, review the conflict of interest guidance to see the kinds of limitations you would have to obey if you did want to continue editing about your company, group, or organization. If this does not fit in with your goals, then you will not be allowed to edit again. Consider using one of the many websites that allow this instead.
 * Am I allowed to make these edits if I change my username?

You are still welcome to write about something other than your company or organization. If you do intend to make useful contributions on some other topic, you must convince a Wikipedia administrator that you mean it. To that end, please do the following:
 * What can I do now?


 * Add the text on your user talk page.
 * Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with a new username you are willing to use. See Special:Listusers to search for available usernames. Your new username will need to meet our username policy.
 * Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In this reason, you must:
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the edits for which you were blocked.
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

If you believe this block was made in error, please see how to appeal a block. PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's a few key issues for you to ponder. Your username is identical to an article you are trying to create. This violates the username policy and WP:AUTOBIO. The article you were trying to write was 100% promotional, including a reference to a corporate website. Additionally, any article requires third party reliable sources for any claims - especially when it affects a living person. There was also absolutely zero evidence of notability in the article, which is another cornerstone.

In short, the block had to be made, no questions asked. Your ability to get your account unblocked and renamed to permit future editing would require a full understanding that you can never write about yourself, nor write a live article that does not meet Wikipedia policies. When you signed up for this account, you were provided links to these policies, so claiming that someone is being unjust is a bit of a stretch. Have you read and do you understand everything linked above? ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 12:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply,

I do understand about the violation but it was my first attempt and as such, I simply created a username the same as the article because I thought it was the easiest thing to do.

Since the first unofficial draft, I had re-writen it and removed the references that were asked for to provide credibility of the photographer in question.

The photographer is relatively known and I was merely adding a reference to the photographer and where his work was shown and who was shown in it.

If references can't be made than how can a reference be provided to ensure credibility..???

I also asked for the username to be changed.!

Can we please unblock me and remove my details altogether and will re-submit details with a different username and different content WITHOUT there being ANYTHING commercially writtrn.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcraigphotos (talk • contribs)


 * How about showing me some of the third part reliable sources that confirm his notability. I've done some searching and found nothing at all.  Right now, it still looks like a massive violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 13:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC

just unbloack me and / or change name to jc2128.

References for this photographer are web based.

This photographer has worked with Derek Fowlds (Actor) and Cannice Bannon, Madeleine Havell, as well as Twiggi, Dtewart MacKay Director, worked on the ISDEC CODE with David James as continuity photographer and location photographer.

He has also worked for / with the BBC and provided head shots for actors and presenters as well as publicity shots.

He also worked for the largest News Agency in the UK, South West News, now named Small World News.

This photographer has worked with commercial radion stations, galleries in the UK including coverage of the Wildlife Photographer of the Year awards in Bristol and also worked for charity by providing images from Romania, Co-operatice retail groups and the global network FAIRTRADE FOUNDATION.

There are many many many references but I can't give you them because they all point to a website, which you have deemed to be of a commercial gain or interest.

Just because you do not know him does not meen to say that he is not a credible photographer.

Do you know JT Burke or Beezer...?? I doubt it. Beezer is synonymous with documenting the early days of the BRISTOL SOUND in the UK and provided an insight into the underground world of this uprising of musical style.

Jonathan Craig was also a big part of that scene including the now famous artist, BANKSY....

What more can we do..???


 * The relevant guidelines for inclusion are:
 * Notability
 * Notability (people)
 * Notability (people)
 * Can you see anything there that applies? Points like "is regarded as an important figure" would need to be backed up by references to reliable, independent secondary sources, not just the photographer's own website. He's obviously worked with some notable people but, with the greatest respect, nothing leaps out from what you've said above that suggests he meets out notability guidelines. Simply being good at what you do, or having done a lot of work, is not enough. If he's considered important in his field, we need to be able to verify that. -- Beloved Freak  17:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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To be honest, I found an wiki article about another photographer yesterday and sent the link. Here it is again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Gill_%28photographer%29 All he is doing is promoting himself. He isn't noted as anything extraordinary.!!

Jon Craig has worked with and for: Lord Mayor of Bristol Documented the SS Great Britain Lord Lieutenant of Bristol University of Bristol Stacey Solomon (Actress) Michelle Dewberry (Winner of the Apprentice and business woman) Derek Fowlds (Actor) Madeleine Havell (Actress) Documented the restoration of the Bristol Old Vic - One of the oldest theaters in the UK Cannice Bannon (Actor) Matthew Batt (Actor) He's also provided documentation photography for film and television.

I believe this is a chicken and an egg situation... You moderators are refusing his entry because YOU can't find anything. Have you found BEEZER or JT Burke..??? I bet you haven't, and these people are also someone that Jon Craig has worked with, recently and in the 80's.... When the Bristol Sound was developing...

Jon Craig MAY have ORIGINAL images of BANKSY..... or he may not, but he was certainly part of that scene, the music, the culture and the art....

Do you have BANKSY on Wikipedia... If you do, then that is wrong, because he is anonymous and therefor you can not prove if he is an entity in his own right or a commercial body of several entities.

If you promote BANKSYT and Gill (photographer), then you must allow the addition of Jonatahn Craig, PHOTOGRAPHER.......

You have NO REASON to deny this entry other than conflict of interest.

People do NOT become recognised without first having recognition.

As an administrator / moderator, you are an individaul(s) of a minority that do NOT represent the entirety of Wikipedia.!!

The only restriction you have is the conflict of the name that I used to help me remember the login details for the person Iwas nominating to be accredited for his gopopd work.

I am really quite appalled by your comments and frustration has now set in.

If you do not want to insert Jonathan Craig as an addition then so be it. I have far better things to do than waste my time with writing arguments to people that only decide what they want and think that they know what everybody else wants.

You either change my log-in name and allow the addition of Jonatahn Craig, or you don't. It is THAT SIMPLE...

He is an accredited, hard working, charitable photographer that is well worth the recognition of any sorts and will be surely recognised in higher ranking that that of you and your moderate in put on Wikipedia.

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 * Seeing as how your only intention here appears to be creation of an autobiography (based on both your current and suggested username, you are the apparent subject, so referring to yourself in the third person appears somewhat disingenuous), to claim "conflict of interest" on the parts of the administrators commenting above is indeed ironic. You've been provided information on the verifiability policy and notability guidelines, but you've chosen to take these as personal affronts rather than the assistance which it was meant to be. Your statement about the other article you cite ("All he is doing is promoting himself") seems to indicate you believe that two wrongs would make a right, but it doesn't. Given your statement "You either change my log-in name and allow the addition of Jonatahn [sic] Craig, or you don't. It is THAT SIMPLE..."... the consensus from administrators commenting here appears to be the former. Per your own admission that "I have far better things to do than waste my time", it appears that any further dialogue would be unconstructive, and I would recommend actually addressing the reasons for your block if you attempt to request an unblock again. -- Kinu  t/c 23:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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But my statement of "wasting my tine" is true. I am merely trying to add details of a photographer that I know of and yet due to a simple error in the creation of a name, that has created a conflict, it has resulted in much written dialogue between us all.

As per the "two wrongs", this is not true. I was using the other photographer as a reference, which is what was asked for during the addition of the photographer I am trying to add.

The simple thing to do, I think, is perhaps to allow the change of the user name to remove the conflict, I can then use Wikipedia in the future and when I have more reference for the photographer.

In terms of references, I am a little confused. I am to provide valid reference points but can't use external links to websites. SO how can I provide a reference point..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcraigphotos (talk • contribs)


 * First, PLEASE sign every talkpage post with ~ . Second, who says you cannot use external links to websites as references?  That's exactly what we need - however, those external websites must meet the definition of a reliable source.  For example, this photographer's own website is not useful, but an article from the New York Times is useful.  Please also do not use the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument, as that's never useful :-)  ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 11:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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Very sorry about that.

I provided his own website for reference, I also provided other external links to websites and magazines where his work was published.

The removal of the photographers own website should have been sufficient but it was still blocked.

Not to worry, I was only trying to upload details of a photographer that I thought was worth a credit due to his work that I know he has done.

I think I'll leave it for another time because this is taking far too long to resolve.

Beside, being told by one that commercial website links aren't a valid source and then being told that is what you actually do need is a bit confusing, and I'm totally disregarding the photographers own site. But surely magazines, press links, wildlife photographer of the year coverage, links with the Lord Mayor, High Sheriff of Bristol, Lord Lieutenant, Lord Justice Tracy QC, the list is endless. Not forgetting to mention the fact of his television work, working with various actors and radio presenters and being involved in the Bristol Sound of the 80\s and BANKSY.....

I feel I can do no more to help..... :(

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