User talk:Jd2718/Archive 3

ArbCom 2008
Sorry for the late response. :) - Mtmelendez (Talk) 19:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Any suggestions on a new map?
Thanks for your post on the Holocaust map, Jd2718! (I made the map). Since you think historical borders would be better (and you are apparently not the only one), I have decided to try to make another version of it (but keep the old one). But it will take some time, and I have a little trouble deciding how to approach it, that is, which year(s) to use. The probs with '38 is that the Holocaust hadn't started in earnest at that time (and, for instance, Poland, France etc. had not been occupied/split). And there are problems with post '38 borders too, since the borders flow quite a bit between '39 and '45. It's actually a little b*tching headache... But I will have a go at it. If you have any suggestions/input, you are very welcome to contact me on my talk page - I'd be very thankful. Regards, --Dna-Dennis (talk) 21:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for helping with suggestions on a new map! That was very detailed and helpful to me, and I think I have some idea on how to approach it, but I must think it through thorougly - it's so easy to make a totally incomprehensible map, so I have to be careful in my planning. Right now I think '42 is the best "base" to use, but I have to study other war maps and Holocaust stuff before I start the headaching of making a new map:). Thanks again, man! Regards, --Dna-Dennis (talk) 00:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Many, many thanks for the scanning offer, but I don't think you need to worry about it; I have a lot of resources myself (since I've been collecting digital items on WW2 since 2001). I actually used about 30 other digital maps (along with coordinates and Google maps, what a headache :) ) when I did the Holocaust map. But if there is any one particular map that you'd think is particularly useful which you'd like to scan and send to me, I'd be most thankful. In this case, don't worry about filesize, my mail has a 5GB quota. But let me know if you do, so I remember to check the mail account which is associated with my Wiki-account. My regards, --Dna-Dennis (talk) 23:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Arb questions
As promised - the final two, q.20 and 22 for you. Hope they are up to the same standard as the previous ones! :)

Best, and thanks!

FT2 (Talk 01:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for your comment in my talkpage. One small note: "Geia sou" = "Hello/Cheers" = "Zdravo" ≠ whichever given name. You might want to try "Ivan" (= "Iannis/Yannis" = "John"). NikoSilver 19:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC) Thanks. I thought Zdravo was a first name. Just looking for a common Greek first name to balance. Jd2718 (talk) 19:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Why are we whispering? :-) NikoSilver 19:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course, of course, how stupid. *Zdrv = health... Must have seen the -o and assumed name, like Vlatko... As far as the whisper, just imitating you. Not to make fun, but to learn. If I practice a few times, I might remember how to do it. The weather here is so lousy, the sun so weak, I wouldn't mind being in one of your countries right now... Jd2718 (talk) 19:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ...I bet I know which of the two! :-) NikoSilver 19:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Argh. I hadn't checked the weather. Maybe I should go back to Crete. Jd2718 (talk) 20:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't work either. Try here (there's a lot of both kinds of Macedonians too). NikoSilver 20:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Unrealistic distance and cost... Probably true for the rest we've mentioned, but I am actually running prices for a possible quick Christmas trip in the sun... Florida? Gulf of Mexico? Sad. Thessaloniki will have to wait for the summer to see me, and from there... every summer it's the same problem, too many options. As far as seeing Macedonians elsewhere, this is in fact NY. In my neighborhood we have one kind, and cousins of the others. Jd2718 (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Reasoning?
I see why you voted 'oppose' to me, even if I don't agree with your reasoning; however, isn't supporting Giano contrary to those same principles you expouse about community support? David Fuchs ( talk ) 18:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for clarifying. G'day, David Fuchs ( talk  ) 18:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Strange Arguments
You seem to be making a last-ditch attempt to influence the Arbitration Committee elections. By your given arguments, you should have opposed every candidate other than the leading two, which you have not done. Your approach, trying to make your irrational behavior seem rational, seems quite unscrupulous, especially when it is clear to all that you are supporting some of the most unpopular candidates, e.g. Raul and Giano, contrary to your own "arguments". You will create bad blood if you try to trick other voters. It is better to be honest. Luqman Skye (talk) 22:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You'd do better to restrict your comments or questions to what's been done, rather than speculating (rather badly) as to motivation, or telling me what I should do. My reasons for supporting or opposing candidates are spelled out in excruciating detail on /jd2718 ArbCom notes. Towards the bottom you can find my reasoning from 2006. Halfway up, how I approached these elections. And at the top, how today I decided to oppose candidates with higher percentages but large opposes. There follows a name by name list, explaining my changes from support to oppose or neutral to oppose. I explain that I make an exception for Raul, since tradition seems to allow larger opposes for sitting arbitrators (JamesF, Jayjg, Fred Bauder), and I made an exception for Giano to make a Point. You don't have to like my reasoning. But it is there, it is transparent. Jd2718 (talk) 23:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Please note that making a WP:Point is a bad thing. I hope that was merely an unfortunate choice of terms. Raymond Arritt (talk) 23:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Only if it disrupts, which voting for Giano certainly does not. Jd2718 (talk) 23:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Serious questions are raised by your voting behavior which could not possibly violate your "reasons and analysis" more fully, saying in your "reasons and analysis" that we should only support popular candidates, while supporting Raul and Giano, the two most unpopular candidates in the top-10, and opposing almost all others. Is this perhaps another example of dodging the "consistency of little minds?" Seems unscrupulous, though I fully accept it may not be, and you may simply have been having a bad day in the reasoning department. Luqman Skye (talk) 23:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

FYI - a new Holocaust map
Hey, I was exactly at this moment about to write you a message (on the new map) here on your talk page, when you disrespectfully :) interrupted me with a message! Please wait a moment... --Dna-Dennis (talk) 12:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi mister! I have now created the first version (but very likely not the last) of the new Holocaust map, which aims at showing the borders at the height of Axis domination in 1942. All your previous suggestions (for which I'm very thankful) were taken into consideration, and since I guess you're somewhat both interested in maps/WW2/Holocaust I'd like you to review this first version.

It was, as I feared, a little b*tch, and still is, and some things are still unclear (like, for instance, was Warzaw located in the Generalgouvernement?). And for instance, the occupation of Greece is not a fun story to include in this map (what about this little rascal: Image:Gr-triple-occupation.png), so I went "half-way" with that one. The new map ain't Da Vinci, and it's starting to get a little busy, but I still think it's comprehensible. Please check for errors, further suggestions and shoot right away on it on my talk page.

I have to eat now, and I'll get back to wiki in 1,5 hours. (Damn it, you made me burn my dinner here, actually, my room is full of smoke:))

Regards, --Dna-Dennis (talk) 12:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again Jd! Since another user (Woogie10w) pointed out that the Polish corridor was annexed by Germany, I started to get seriously confused, since most maps I consulted did not include it. But, alas, my brain had fooled me (since most maps described pre-Sep'39). Therefore I guess I misunderstood you before, you probably meant to color the entire West Prussia & Wartheland dark green, didn't you? I will now do so, and upload a new map in approx. 1 hour. Thanks again! --Dna-Dennis (talk) 01:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Slavic Health
Hi Jd, you might be interested in some linguistics regarding Macedonian.
 * Zdrv means health like you said

Zdravo means hello

Pozdrav means greeting (literally "by+health")

"Na zdravje" means bless you (literally "on+health")

and Zdravko is a first name (so you were not entirely wrong in your assumption)

And which Macedonians are in NY?

Alex 202.10.89.28 (talk) 06:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

AMNH tour
We need to get a preliminary head-count for the AMNH tour happening before the meet-up. If you think you would like to go, please sign up at Meetup/NYC. Thanks! ScienceApologist (talk) 03:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Please refactor
Re:. Please take my name out. Durova Charge! 08:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Durova Charge! 08:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Vote for a post-meetup restaurant
I'm charged with making the reservations for us, so let's make it official. We'll do this via voting and everyone including anonymous voters, sockpuppets, and canvassed supporters is enfranchised. Voting irregularities and election fraud are encouraged as that would be really amusing in this instance. Please vote for whichever restaurant you would like to eat at given the information provided above and your own personal prejudices at Meetup/NYC. The prevailing restaurant will be called first for the reservation. If a reservation cannot be obtained at the winning restaurant, the runner-up restaurant will be called thus making this entire process pointless. Voting ends 24 hours after this timestamp (because I said so). ScienceApologist (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

AN and my talkpage
I invite you to remove the "possibility of sanctions" section from WP:AN. I have demonstrated adequately that the attempt to label a non-offensive and widely used descriptor by a whole country as "offensive" is disruptive. You can delete my (also) "weak" analogy if you choose to do so. Don't fall in the trap Jd, there's simply nothing that will not be labeled "offensive", apart from plain "Macedonians". And when Greeks say "Macedonians", they mean their own, and only their own, so it will be impossible to communicate. NikoSilver 21:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Metacomet Ridge
I'm curious why you deleted the reference to New Haven County, Connecticut in the Metacomet Ridge article. You mention the lead for New Haven County as your reason, however, regardless if New Haven County has an incorporated country government or not, it still exists as a known and defined region encompassing a constant number of specific towns. Therefore, it is a legitimate reference point.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI, the state still recognizes it, as does the U.S. Census Bureau --Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

3RR Warning
Please do not revert for a third time additional information ad graphs added to the Ukraine 2007 Election. This information is based o official published data ad i o more original research the the other graphics published,. Oe of which has not statistical merit what so ever. If you wish to improve on teh quality of the information please do so but please do not revert the edit. 3RR warning. A swing graph or Swig data shows the change in voters support form the previous ballot to the current ballot. This is a very common analysis that has statistical merit unlike the second place map that has o statistical merit ad could be asserted is "Original research." Your actions are bringing Wikipedia into disrepute. ElectAnalysis (talk) 20:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

(Anyone looking in the archives, the warning party was blocked) Jd2718 (talk) 21:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

WT:MOSMAC
You might want to give your 2c worth here.  Balkan Fever  00:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I had a feeling you might have been. I know how you feel though (about Thessaloniki), it's annoying that one edit can undo so much work.  Balkan Fever  01:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The Broncks, Thonx
JD. I understand and accept your reversion of old NYT non-factoid of Jonas Bronck's origins. My apologies for supplying what appears to be misleading info. Bellagio99 (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Funny, I was just going to thank You. We work well together on The Bronx. And in an idle writing break, I just looked at your ArbCom report -- very impressive. Are you an admin?


 * As to the ethnic concentration map, I agree it is impressive. If you go to the edit history, you'll find the user who added it. Not me. But I did click on it out of interest, and because I was just asked (in RL) to give a Back to the Bronx lecture at Lehman College this coming April. (Nice idea.) I do recall that the map came from a NYC source -- you can find out if you click on it -- but I DK if it is public domain or not.

PS: I have a funny quotation from a Cdn general saying Wikipedia is aiding the Taliban. Happy to send it to you (I did to Jimbo yesterday), altho I'd ask you to keep my RL ID confidential. Just email me if you'd like. Bellagio99 (talk) 20:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Heey!
We spend day's discussing about Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007 finaly we had some consensus and now you change everything just as you like it. Wikipedia isn't your blog! If you don't like something there use talk page first! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry about me imitating User:DemocracyATwork earlyer! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 02:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Oversight
Hi, thanks for the tip. Do you have oversight authority, or do you know someone who has? -- Timberframe (talk) 11:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

New mailing list
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info
Thanks. Exploding Boy (talk) 21:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Za'atar
Greetings. I read your most recent edit summary. I have already opened up a RfC on Za'atar however several editors have refused to discuss changes and instead have chosen to just revert the article while citing Israeli bias or Zionism. Your input in the RfC would be greatly appreciated. -- Nsaum75 (talk) 03:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.
 * Please stop trying to politicize the Za'atar article. The question of a plant used in cultivation being a protected species is notable; claims inserted to push POV because an IP vandal doesn't like Israelis are not notable. M1rth (talk) 16:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

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Za'atar again
Please stop disrupting the article and if you have valid points, bring them to the talk page. At the moment your edits are strongly reminiscent of vandal/sockpuppetteer who was caught disrupting a number of food articles to POV push. M1rth (talk) 21:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, you are wrong. Jamiechef2 was checkusered for a possible single sockpuppet and the check confirmed no less than 8 accounts (plus possible IPs): see and [checkuser result]. I warned you because you were continuing the disruptive edits this sockpuppet abuser had been making. On this basis, and because you acted in concert with Jamiechef earlier, I need to see a serious reasoning behind your continuing to try to add the same type of edits that this person had been making. M1rth (talk) 07:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, you are wrong. I do not say that you are a sockpuppet or meatpuppet, but that you are making the same edits as someone who knew badly enough that their edits were unacceptable that they stooped to such tactics. Therefore I highly implore you to reconsider your actions. M1rth (talk) 15:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Jd2718. I see that M1rth is making bold accusations against you as well. Originally, I came here to ask you to review his latest deletion at the Za'atar page. It looks however, like he won't accept any advice from you, given his aspersions on your motivations (and mine as well). Perhaps we should open an RfC on the issue at Za'atar? Given however that M1rth's problems are not confined to Za'atar but also extend to Falafel and involve a series of bad faith accusations against both of us and deletions of our responses to those accusations on his talk page, perhaps a User RfC is in order? Your thoughts on the subject would be appreciated.  T i a m u t talk 16:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Thanks for asking AGK to take a look.  T i a m u t talk 20:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey. It looks like AGK didn't file an RfC after all, and your message to him has since been archived (without a response so far). Its unfortunate that M1rth keeps getting away with all kinds of violations of good faith and incivility. Anyway, I'm skeptical that he will in fact return. If he does, he'll have hopefully changed his tune. If not, and the need should arise, I'd be happy to co-open an RfC with you instead of going to AGK, who seems to be too busy and/or uninterested to take a firm stand against this user's disruption (which since the sockpuppet accusations in edit summary descriptions that accompanied his last three reverts, seems to have stopped anyway). Thanks for keeping me up to date. Happy editing.  T i a m u t talk 18:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

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Please be advised that your conduct in food articles, related to the checkusered POV-pushing and sockpuppet abuse of, may very well be in violation of the Arbitration Committee's results regarding Israeli/Palestinian conflict in articles. I am requesting that you stand down rather than my having to ask for sanctions. Please make sure that your edits are within policy, and refrain from inserting unsourced/mis-sourced/misrepresented material.M1rth (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

RfC
I've started drafting a user conduct RfC that you might be interested in here. There's a lot of evidence to sift through and present, so I think it will take awhile to get it put together. If you'd like to participate, please feel free to do so. Cla68 (talk) 07:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

FYI
Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

On that same topic, I don't know who is a sockpuppet of whom at this point, but in this summary you wrote that "we don't automatically delete the comments of banned users; this had merit". Just letting you know, when an editor is banned from wikipedia, any further contributions should be removed on sight, regardless of merit. If they create an obvious sockpuppet, it should be treated exactly as the banned user was, otherwise banning or blocking a user would have no affect and be easily overcome through anonymous IPs and sockpupets.

Again, I'm not saying anything in regards to this one article, I haven't researched it. I was just passing this on to you for future reference. Thanks! Redrocket (talk) 01:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your response, in that situation, I would still knock down the edits from the banned user. Later on, after the matter had cooled, I might look into their changes myself and see if there was a point they were making that I could bring up. However, for the time being I would throw it out immediately. If you say a banned editor's sockpuppet has a point, that gives them further ammunition that they were unfairly banned, and they'll keep trying to disrupt wikipedia.


 * I feel that once you're banned, you're dead to wikipedia. If someone has done something serious enough to be blocked for good, we shouldn't listen to anything they say. If it's a good point, a respectable editor can bring it up later.

Take care! Redrocket (talk) 02:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Jd2718. I just got your note about this ANI report by a user who is obviously User:M1rth. What a ridiculous waste of time and negative energy he and his IP have churned around here! Is there anything I can do? It's not fair that those who edit in good faith can be harassed for weeks before the community steps in to prevent them from wasting their time and breath responding to multiple inanities. So strange how M1rth managed to escape formal sanctions himself for his last edits before disappearing. Really, what is going on around here?  T i a m u t talk 12:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

synthesis
''By stringing together a list of unrelated individual anecdotes and facts, mostly from marginally reliable sources, this article is, taken as a whole, a single piece of original research, a synthesis. (this seems inevitable, as the topic is not notable)''
 * The articles produced in that little corner of the community are like that by default. One is almost tempted to program a bot to tag automatically as SYNTH all articles made by certain users.

And then of course there is
 * Ukrainian War of Independence
 * Ukrainian Civil War
 * Ukrainian-Soviet War
 * Ukrainian Revolution of 1918
 * Ukraine after the Russian Revolution (the least synthy)


 * Ukrainian Holocaust (wtf?)
 * Denial of the Holodomor
 * Holodomor genocide question


 * Really could go on. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 14:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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JzG RFAR merged with Cla68-FM-SV case
Per the arb vote here the RFAR on User:JzG is now merged with this case and he is a named party. Also see my case disposition notes there. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 21:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Why did you delete "shopping" on The Bronx?
It seemed to me to be a reasonable, short and accurate little section. Bellagio99 (talk) 01:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Hungarian names on Zakarpattia Oblast
I agree with you on keeping the Hungarian variant of the name "Zakarpattia Oblast" but I don't see a need to add a Hungarian variant to every city/town's name. This just clutters up the intro with names a reader can find in the respective articles (and others like Russian too). —dima/talk/ 00:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)