User talk:Jdforrester/IRC Archive 2

= IRC matters =

DO NOT POST A CLOAK REQUEST HERE


 * Please use the automatic system instead.

lmfao
Matthew 11:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Quite.
 * James F. (talk) 18:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Terminology
I've responded to the thread you started on WP:AN concerning an IRC-related matter. As a purely semantic point, while I understand your role as a chan-op and the group contact, I think it would be better if terminology such as "all of my domain" were not utilized to refer to the IRC channels that are connected, albeit in some vague and unofficial fashion, to Wikimedia. I suspect that this wording was a somewhat tongue-in-cheek formulation on your part, but I am concerned that it may rub certain users the wrong way. Regards, Newyorkbrad 16:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed; such was not my intention.
 * James F. (talk) 18:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

On the chat room..
Discussion at my talk page seems to have petered out. Would you consider moving the page(s) promoting your chat room to your own website rather than having them on Wikipedia? Leaving aside the whole question of "does IRC do more harm than good?", the conflict of interest should be apparent, no? Friday (talk) 14:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I somewhat fail to understand the question, I think, so forgive me if my answer is not as clear as you would wish.
 * I am charged with running IRC as I see fit (the Freenode term is "Group Contact"). As such, all of the WMF IRC channels are, to the exact same extent, "mine", and so I would seem to have, in your view at least, a conflict of interest. However, I would equally have such a "conflict" over articles about sysops, dispute resolution (including the Committee), and various other significant segments of the Wikipedia "plumbing" with which I am and have been involved. Would you wish me absent myself from them, too? If yes, why me alone? In the logicial conclusion of this, who should be able to edit such items, in your opinion, if no-one involved therewith can be? If no, why do you feel that pages advising people about proper behaviour and standards expected in this particular area should come in for such especial treatment?
 * In short, no, a substantive conflict of interest fails to present itself to me on this matter, I'm afraid. I would welcome some insight into what I may be missing, though.
 * James F. (talk) 11:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Project-space pages are supposed to be for the good of Wikipedia, not for individuals to promote their side projects. As for why I asked you particularly, mainly it was because you seem to be quite heavily involved with this, and I assumed that if you agreed to remove this content from Wikipedia, others would not object.  The conflict of interest was, I thought, obvious- you're using Wikipedia resources (in the form of a project-space page) to promote your own chat room.  I would feel no differently if you were promoting any other private service, with no connection to Wikipedia.  If you're editing a page like Administrators or something, I see no conflict of interest at all- that's a page that belongs on Wikipedia, and as an editor, you're certainly allowed to edit it.  Obviously, you're free to run whatever chat rooms or other side projects you wish, but I don't see how it's appropriate to use Wikipedia to promote them.  Friday (talk) 21:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

IRC cloaks
User:Sean Whitton seems to have stopped processing cloak requests submitted through the automatic form. What is the current process? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Replied; in short, be patient. :-)
 * James F. (talk) 01:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I am patient. I made the request in October, and asked him about it in early November. I haven't received any replies. If the process really takes three months then we should figure out a new system. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 03:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you had any response from SeanW? I wrote him an email but haven't heard back. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 02:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Query about Freenode
James, query for you here. It would be much appreciated if you could explain the exact relationship between Wikimedia and Freenode, how you came to be a group contact, and in what sense Freenode recognizes this. It's something a lot of people are confused about. SlimVirgin (talk) (contribs) 02:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I have responded on Wikipedia and I believe Sean has responded on Meta.  Cbrown1023   talk   00:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * James, would you mind responding, please? People are very confused regarding your role. SlimVirgin  (talk) (contribs) 16:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

#wikipedia-en-admins
I've decided to cool things a bit by leaving the channel. Please remove me from the access list. --Tony Sidaway 00:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed it.  Cbrown1023   talk   00:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to talking
Hi. I'm trying to facilitate a laid back, on-wiki discussion about Wikipedia and IRC and would appreciate your particpation. Thanks. Regards, El_C 18:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that it would be grossly inappropriate for me to comment whilst a case is in train. I also find it beyond odd that you would seek to carry such a conversation out on a user's talk page, but hey. :-) James F. (talk) 10:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's anything prohibiting you from commenting; I can ask other members of the committee in case you feel constrained. And I'm sorry you feel Wikipedia users carrying such a discussion on user's talk page is "beyond odd," but IRC was unavailable! ;) El_C 17:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * IRC would be even less appropriate, true. This should not be the reasoning, though.
 * James F. (talk) 22:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Response.
See User_talk:Zenwhat. &#9775; Zenwhat (talk) 22:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, thank you for looking into the matter. Almost forgot to thank you. &#9775; Zenwhat (talk) 22:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Drini
Drini has banned me from #wikipedia-es without a reason. This is a formal complaint to you as you are freenodes wikimedia contact. This is the second time user has banned me without a reason. -- Cat chi? 21:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Seems like it is resolved for now - as in I was unbanned. This is the second time drini banned me without a reason. I'd like you to look into this, please. -- Cat chi? 21:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I just am getting sick an tired of getting randomly banned from channels on IRC. I request your assistance but I suppose I am talking to a wall. -- Cat chi? 05:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I kickbanned White_Cat for very aggressive nationalist trolling - #wikipedia is no place for this. If you have any concerns, I will gladly furnish my private logs of this incident. :/  krimpet ✽  05:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea you do that, all users but me gets to appeal or be heard. -- Cat chi? 13:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

cloak requests
elements cross-posted

Hello, JD..

I applied for an IRC cloak a few months ago, still don't have it. When I revisit http://stable.ts.wikimedia.org/wmfgcbot/request it tells me my request is awaiting review. There are 141 other requests pending, and I see that Sean Whitton has been inactive for several months. I expected this would be a simple process, taking maybe a few days. I think if the process is broken, you'd best change the text at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channel_cloaks so that no new people waste their time going through this process for no reason. Thanks, Odedee (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sadly, cloak requests for anything other than Wikimedia/ are very much broken right now. This is outside of our control, and due to actions - and primarily, inaction - by the Freenode team. I've been haranguing them for some time now to try to fix things, without success so far. Sorry that you have been caught up in it; in normal operations it does indeed take less than a day. I have, as you suggested, edited the meta page to this effect.
 * P.S.: I don't know where you get the impression that Sean "has been inactive for several months"; he's carrying out his duties almost every day.
 * James F. (talk) 19:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's unfortunate that this is delayed for so long. I thought Sean was inactive based on his contribs. Odedee (talk) 20:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Other channels
I noticed neither you or Sean are the top level individuals at #wikipedia-BAG and #wikipedies-en-crats, so I figured I'd let you know at the GC.  MBisanz  talk 11:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Will deal with it.
 * James F. (talk) 18:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

IRC cloack request
Mr. Forester,

I'm sorry to disturb you but I've leave you a message on your Meta talk page about requesting an IRC cloack. Could you please tell me what I have to do? Kind Regards: --''Dferg, Yes? ¿dígame?'' 11:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Replied on meta.
 * James F. (talk) 11:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Replied on meta too. Dferg, Yes? ¿dígame? 18:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅, but a steward had to request the cloack instead of me cause I'm still not able to see the page. Thank you.
 * Dferg, Yes? ¿dígame? 07:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

IRC #admins
I do not wish to be slandered, or even mentioned, in your #Admin's channel again. Please ensure it does not happen in future, or it will be closed down. Most editors are thoroughly sick of it and its pernicious influence on the project. I suggest you bear that in mind and control it. Giano (talk) 22:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I share your generalised concerns about abuse of the channel. As and when you have evidence of any such activity, I would greatly welcome you drawing them to my attention. However, as we have previously discussed, vague claims of you being "slandered" without context don't let me help you, and merely encourage division.
 * James F. (talk) 14:16, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Try reading the bloody logs of the sewer, or is it so disgusting you never go there? Giano (talk) 14:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I lost regular IRC access for the past fortnight, so do not have a reliable set of logs.
 * James F. (talk) 15:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If you have not the energy to read the logs have this one on me for a start: How's this " To Giano, who invariably reads this: You are a fucking wanker." Bad enough for you? Giano (talk) 15:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, it's certainly not remotely close to "slander", but yes, I agree that that is completely unacceptable. I will have words with Daniel. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
 * James F. (talk) 15:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You will be having far more than a word I can assure you. Giano (talk) 15:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Cloak request (waiting)
Hi James, I've submitted a cloak request two weeks ago, and am still waiting. Anything went wrong? I've asked it here as well. Regards and thanks in advance, JacobH (talk) 10:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahum, anybody out there? JacobH (talk) 12:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Cloack request
Hello

I´m trying to get the wikimedia or wikipedia cloack but unffortunatly i can´t. I would like to know if you can help me to get it. already got a registered nick, an alternate nick grouped to my account also the verified e-mail address. Thanks for your answer. Saloca (talk) 12:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Automatic system is down for me
500 error, obtained with wget -S --Enric Naval (talk) 05:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

IRC operators
Hello. I have noticed that there are often a lack of operators around in UK afternoon periods, as there has seemingly been no (or a late) response to many !op requests in #wikipedia recently. I was therefore wondering if another operator is needed, as I am particularly active at those times (and have IRC open frequently during evening and even early hour periods also). I was previously an operator in both #wikipedia and the overflow channel in 2005 and part of 2006, acting as +o during many of the downtimes and busy periods, although due to my inactivity during 2006 those privileges were removed. Esteffect (talk) 17:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)