User talk:Jeanambr

Page moves
Hi and thanks for the new article you've created (Giacomo David) and the others which have you have expanded. I notice you've also done some page moves of established articles (Manuel del Pópulo Vicente García, Manuel Patricio Rodríguez García, Poliuto, and Tenor altino). These have been reverted as they do not conform to the naming practices used by WikiProject Opera. If you have any questions about this don't hestitate to contact us on the project's talk page. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 18:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Baritenore
Hi,

I'm very curious whether the term "baritono-martin" is used much in Italian. All the best, Sparafucil (talk) 03:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Premised that my musical culture has no specialist characters at all, but exclusively amateurish ones, since it results only from 25 years’ reading of an opera fan, I must confess that I don’t recall ever meeting with the phrase “baritono Martin”, and I can undoubtedly say that it’s not very much used in Italy.


 * In Caruselli’s Grande Enciclopedia della Musica Lirica, which is, anyhow, but a work with a mainly popularizing aim, the phrase is not even cited in the whole 3-page-long article “baritono”, which yet tells, in the French operatic scene of the Romanticism, as many as 4 general kinds of “barytons”: 1. b. Verdi, high and quivering (e. g. Jules Devoyod); 2. b. grand-opéra  (e. g. Jean Lassalle); 3. b. lyrique, clear and light (e.g. Emile-Alexandre Taskin); 4. b.  d’opéra comique or brilliant (e.g. Lucien Furgère). Only the very article “Martin, Jean-Blaise” ends this way: “His voice was itself phenomenal, ranging over three octaves, which allowed him to pass, without any solution of continuity, from the tenor register to the baritone one … These vocal qualities gave rise, for a certain period, to the denomination of a new way of singing called of «baritono Martin»”. That’s all I was able to find.


 * According to the above description, in fact, the baritone Martin reminds me, more than what we’ll call “baritenore”, Martin’s contemporary mezzo-sopranos as Giuditta Pasta, Isabella Colbran and Maria Malibran, who, owing to their exceptional  extension, were able to sing, besides mezzo-soprano/contralto roles, real soprano parts which are nowadays substantially reserved to this register of voice and which, anyway, modern mezzo-sopranos very seldom dare to confront.

Con simpatia.Jeanambr (talk) 22:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Zaira
Hello.


 * Are you planning to create articles for any of the rather obscure operas called Zaira which were written by Caldara, Mercadante or Peter Winter? If not, what is the purpose of moving Zaira (opera) to Zaira (Bellini)?
 * Furthermore, if you are going to make alterations like this, can you also please change the title of the opera in the Bellini operas navigation template Template:Bellini operas so that it appears in bold on the Zaira page - have a look at the navigation box at I puritani if you can't work out what I'm talking about. Best. --GuillaumeTell 22:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply:
 * If you think it more expedient, I hope you will be so kind as to revert my move of Zaira yourself and to correct the Bellini operas navigation template back again, as well.
 * As to the rather obscure operas of the 17th and 18th centuries, I sincerely do hope that, sooner or later, as many of them as possible may be brought again to the light they very often are worthy of (surely as worthy as Bellini's phantasmal Zaira). All the best. Jeanambr (talk) 17:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Jeanambr, I realize that you made the page move in good faith, but it was contrary to the Opera Project Guidelines for article naming. See . Secondly, you summarily moved a long-established page with no prior discussion whatsoever on its talk page. Plus, moving pages with navigation templates on them back and forth creates more work for other editors. All pages on the template had to be refreshed to show the new location and now they will probably have to be again if your page move is reverted. There is a discussion about these issues on OP talk page here. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 10:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Manuel Garcia
Hi, Jean. Thank you for your email. I thought I'd reply here to make it easier to give you links etc.

There has been some discussion recently about linking in tables. Basically, tables are not considered part of the article so if Mozart is linked in the article and re-appears in the table it is re-linked. It's actually a bit more complicated than that. If you are interested you can look at MOS:LINKS where it say "A link that had last appeared much earlier in the article may be repeated, but generally not in the same section. . . ." See also here.

Another thing: links should normally go direct to an article, not to a redirect. Best regards. -- Klein zach  00:13, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Gaspare Pacchierotti
Hello, I've just sent you an e-mail which I think will sort out any remaining confusion about the "Retirement" section of this article.--voxclamans (talk) 06:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Scylla et Glaucus
Hi. I see you have been changing the role list - for example removing the full name for La Tour – and I'm wondering what source you are using. (The names I put there were from Amadeus which is included in the references). Thanks. -- Klein zach  07:49, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

'art.' in references
Hi Jean. I am seeing art. in references that you have given. What does this mean? Thanks. -- Klein zach  07:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I hoped it might mean "article": if it does not, can you tell me how to correctly write? Many thanks.--Jeanambr (talk) 07:51, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. You mean article within the book? Unfortunately I don't think that abbreviation is much used. This is the way I cite Grove:


 * Clinkscale, Martha Novak (1992), 'Erismena' in The New Grove Dictionary of Opera, ed. Stanley Sadie (London) ISBN 0-333-73432-7


 * In this case I'd recommend:


 * Pitou, Spire (1983), 'Les Saisons' in The Paris Opéra. An Encyclopedia of Operas, Ballets, Composers, and Performers – Genesis and Glory, 1715-1815, pp. 308-9. Greenwood Press, Westport/London, 1983 (ISBN 0-313-21420-4), or


 * Pitou, Spire (1983),  'Les Saisons' in op. cit., pp. 308-9.


 * Of course you can ask other people for their opinions. Best. -- Klein zach  09:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Linking to the List of opera genres
Just a note to say that Tragédie lyrique, Drame lyrique, Opéra-tragédie, Tragédie-opéra etc can all be linked in the usual way. (There is a special section link enabled on the target article). Best. -- Klein zach  03:43, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If we want to be dead precise, there exists also the phrase drame héroïque which results to have been used for Gluck's Armide. Sorry! Jeanambr (talk) 10:45, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm rather busy this weekend but let me come back to you next week with various points about these French genres. Meanwhile are you familiar with Category:Lists of operas by composer? These lists contain a lot of relevant material - but it's very complicated. -- Klein zach  12:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Please, don't worry: I am in no hurry! Best. --Jeanambr (talk) 17:30, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Anacréon
I've split the article as suggested. My apologies to you for getting the performance history of the 1757 Anacréon wrong. It was originally part of Les surprises de l'Amour; only later did it take on a separate existence. Anyway I hope the new solution is acceptable. I just have a few links to fix and it should be all right. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 12:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! Best. --Jeanambr (talk) 14:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Move
I've moved the page from your sandbox to List of French haute-contre roles (I chose this title on the model of "List of Italian tenor roles" etc.). There are still a few minor things which need fixing but now it's an article everybody can contribute. The edit history has also been preserved. If you don't like the move, I can always change it back for the time being. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 11:18, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's all very fine, thank you!--Jeanambr (talk) 23:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Lucia Valentini-Terrani
She apparently sang Dorabella at the Fujiwara Opera in Tokyo in 1980, I wasn't able to find anything about Octavian, it's just listed as one of her roles. Best --Marleau (talk) 12:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Giusto Fernando Tenducci
Thanks for catching that. I just typed the wrong year is all. 1764 was the year he was heard as Orpheus in Dublin.4meter4 (talk) 14:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Made the appropriate change. Thank you for the help.4meter4 (talk) 15:00, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The Princess
Yes, I think I used the term "operatic work" for its vagueness. I describe it as a comédie-ballet later on in the article, explaining what the term means (the trouble is we don't have a specific article on comédie-ballet - yet). La princesse is basically a spoken play with a lot of operatic and balletic incidental music. We probably need to get that across in the introductory paragraph which - you are right - should contain the term comédie-ballet. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 14:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Update I see you wrote a substantial article on comédie-ballet for Italian Wikipedia. You should definitely think about translating that into English. --Folantin (talk) 16:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated update I've taken the liberty of doing this myself. Hope you don't mind. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 17:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

RE: Manuel García
Hey, thanks for the feedback about my editing of the article. You make good points on my talk page concerning the format; I don't think I've ever thought about what the 22nd century reader would be reading. It's okay to think it, but articles are discouraged to discuss how something is "the greatest of all time" or "one of the greatest in history". Instead, use facts to back up how celebrated they are; this is epressed by WP:NPOV and WP:Peacock. However, I also have some faulty practices, as I may take these and some other rules into mind and do too much for the sake of those rules, as I kind of did for the page of Albrecht Dürer.

If a certain reviewer is praising the talents of Manuel García, then you can say that the author of the review or book said that. The last paragraph in the artistic features section comes off as not having a neutral point of view to me, and stating that the writer of source eight stated that would be something I'd recommend. Also, the sentence at the end of the biography section needs to have stated who wrote or said that (would that be Mr(s). Radomski?); in its current form, the way it is isolated and entirely in quotations makes it so that the author does of the sentence needs to be elaborated.

With that said, I will have this page on my watchlist. Thanks for the correspondence and the interest in the article.

Cheers,

Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 05:54, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello, and sorry for the late response. You can go ahead and post your opinions on the talk page. Additional opinions on this matter would be nice. Good job on the sources, by the way. I personally wouldn't use some of the word choices, but for describing someone as "famous", "celebrated", or "most famous", it would probably be convenient to put discussion of it on the talk page. The mentioned words have appeared on the peacock list of words, but I have seen the word "famous" be supported before, and you did say that the rules should be heeded, but with a grain of salt. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 04:57, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

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Gli Orazi e i Curiazi
Hi

Thanks for adding those references and for fixing those ibid ones :¬)

I have a question though about this one:

"As many as 48 performances were held throughout the season

Were there really 51 on that one day ? If so then was that in just Italy, in Europe or worldwide ?

Chaosdruid (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm very, very sorry, but my English is coming shorter and shorter of my expectation! I hope you can and will revise the whole section of the article, where there is by now too little order. Here are the data I can state. Gli Orazi e i Curiazi had five runs at La Fenice Theatre during the years 1796-1803 with “more than 130” (Lazerevich, p. 718; Del Teatro online), or, precisely, 138 (Morelli, p. 27, who states all the dates from 26 December 1796 to 2 February 1803) performances. Its first run during the Carnival Season 1797 (which lasted from 26 December 1796 to the beginning of 1797 Lent) staged (as I had at first read, wonder where!) “as many as” (= at least? more than?) 48 performances: in fact Morelli states 51 by listing all the dates from the “26-XII-1796” première to the “28-II-1797” last seasonal performance. By writing “within 28 February 1707” I just hoped to mean “within the Fenice season ending on 28 February”. I have also just removed the last template “cn”: I had to strive a whole night to recollect where I had picked the piece of information up! By now I take much more care to declare my sources straightaway when writing my articles in the Italian Wikipedia! Thank you very much for your help and kindness. --Jeanambr (talk) 10:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * your english is fine:¬)
 * that is an easy fix then:-
 * "As many as 48 performances were held throughout the season and Morelli lists 51 performances within the first season, including premieres, ending on 28 February 1797"
 * I will put it in tomorrow if you have not already :¬)
 * Chaosdruid (talk) 02:11, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I wonder if somenthing like this might be plainer: "As many as 51 performances were held throughout the season and the opera was later staged in the major European theatres ..."
 * Please, put in the version you feel the better. Thank you very much, again. --Jeanambr (talk) 09:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have provisionally put the second version in. Cheers.--Jeanambr (talk) 00:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem there is that using the phrase "some sources" or "some say" will get a tag added as the phrase is not allowed in Wikiworld :¬)
 * Also a ref is something tangible, a book with the authors name and a page number, a website with the URL and title. You have put a quote in a note as the ref which was the problem in the first place.
 * I have included the links so you can see what I mean. Citing_sources and Embedded citations Chaosdruid (talk) 00:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have included the links so you can see what I mean. Citing_sources and Embedded citations Chaosdruid (talk) 00:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * As I didn’t get to recollect (nor do I still) whence I had drawn the number “48”, I thought that, according to Wikipedia guidelines, I’d better get rid of it, and decided to try and check, date by date, the list given by Morelli. When I did, I had to notice that four dates (27 and 28 February 1797, 21 November 1798 and 2 March 1802) are reported twice. Apart from misprints, since it seems rather unlikely that two performances have taken place on the same day (even if performances were held much more frequently than nowadays and would follow one a day upon the other for weeks), the actual numbers of performances possibly come down to 49 in the first run and 134 in the whole six-year-and-two-month period. Therefore, I suggest the following solutions: 1. ' At least 49 performances were held throughout the season and the opera was later staged in the major European theatres ... '  2. ' In Venice, for example, the opera had four further runs during the six years following the première and "more than 130 performances" altogether were staged in the same period.  '

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Copyright problem on Maria Spiridonova
Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from this book, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, some content had to be removed. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Diannaa (talk) 15:16, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't remember having ever edited anything in the above article. There must have been a mistake.--Jeanambr (talk) 15:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * you probably wanted to refer this change in the article on Maria Spiridonova, but I can't honestly understand what happened. It appears that my last edit was edited by you and you refer to a possible copyright infringement that I can't single out. I have only reported in quotes a small passage from Figes as it is continuously done and as there have been many others and for a very long time in that same article. Maybe my imperfect knowledge of English does not enable me to understand. Sorry.--Jeanambr (talk) 16:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * In fact, now, it just seems to me you have removed the last sentence from a quoted quote (as well as the final quotation marks). Let me know, please, what I am to do. BTW, I have drawn my quotation not from Scribd.com, but from the Internet Archive, as I have stated citing the book among the references. I own a copy of the Italian edition of the book.--Jeanambr (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You are correct; it was part of a quotation. Sorry for the mistake, as well as the copypaste error in the header. Note I have not restored a smaller removal I made elsewhere in the article.

Paulo Abel Do Nascimento - Reason for Removal from "Modern Castrati and Equivalent voices" section
I tried to link a source, but couldn't do so: http://www.tp4.rub.de/~ak/disc/padn/ Then here is the information on said page: "Paulo Abel do Nascimento (1957-1992) was the 15th child of a poor family in Fortaleza/Brazil. Lack of testosterone prevented his voice from breaking. He studied composition and conducting in São Paolo, where Roger Cotte heard his unique voice. Later he was educated in Europe and gave his debut in 1981 in Belgium. He died in Paris of an AIDS related illness.

He sang mainly cantatas and lieder from his home. His voice sounds quite unique, but not very high, about f - f'' (F3 - F5)."

Another source is an Brazilian(?) interview with optional Subtitles in English where he explains it himself: Paulo Abel - Interview about his voice and life

There are also multiple instances of him using a Tenorial Chestvoice, I will link to a video of him singing Bachiana Brasiliera No. 5: Tenorial Chestvoice Example, you can fast forward to 2:00min where he definitely uses his full chestvoice

PS: I am an Alto currently in training myself and personally found Altos to be rather hard to find these days and thus underrepresented in the article...

I hope you can help me by adding these sources, as I am very new to WikiPedia and a bit helpless with how I should do so, Greetings from Germany. Robin Pannenberg (talk) 13:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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 * Many thanks, Gerda. Jeanambr (talk) 10:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Ciao!
I took the liberty to edit your Userpage for grammar. See how you like it! All the best, Damián A. Fernández Beanato (talk) 23:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks.--Jeanambr (talk) 11:48, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

George Alexander Macfarren’s Helvellyn (1864)
I hope you like it this opera! 37.77.115.80 (talk) 19:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I don't know this opera. Not yet!--Jeanambr (talk) 19:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * So look at https://operastory.co.uk/helvellyn-by-george-alexander-macfarren/ 37.77.112.153 (talk) 18:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Jeanambr (talk) 21:37, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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Removing my edit about Arrian
What was your reasoning for removing my small edit clarifying that Arrian did questioned the events truthfulness? It is a verifibale fact that he questions it, and it is a small little side note to give extra context to an anecdote. It is not in anyway harmdul or cluttering to the page, I sourced it properly and it's important for readers to know that there is some doubt in the sources about certain events. Finnders2207 (talk) 10:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I have not removed it: I just added above the general statement it is maybe a legend, with Arrian's quote in the footnote. If you don't agree, feel free to edit again. Cheers. Jeanambr (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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