User talk:Jeanne boleyn/Archive2

Sarah777
I'm not even sure what she's striking about. I'm afraid it's up to her; as it always was. GoodDay (talk) 16:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well, perhaps a good, heated argument on one of the Irish article talk pages will bring her back in the scenes. I'm still waiting for a reply from our orator Mr.Green.--jeanne (talk) 16:38, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm confident Sarah will return, aswell. As for Mr.Green, he too shall return. GoodDay (talk) 18:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

IP harassment
It seems your race fixated "friend" is back. I have reverted and will block IPs from editing your page if it continues. Let me know. Rockpock e  t  19:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Bill Clinton
Hi, Jeanne. I'd be interested to hear what your comments on Irish American Presidents were. I went through a tricky patch when I was being "watched" by an Irish American and a northern Shinner (interesting alliance) and was not only getting "cautionary" and decidely abrasive messages at least weekly, but receiving various comments deleted too.

As for Bill Clinton, his claims that his forebears came from Roslea, Co Fermanagh seem very dubious. He might or might not be one sixty fourth Irish, but I understand he thinks of himself as an Irishman and has been accepted as such by many Irish Americans, but few if any people here in Ireland.

By the way, I liked your picture. My only visit to Los Angeles was in 1976, and I enjoyed it. Millbanks (talk) 17:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh thank you for the compliment.--jeanne (talk) 19:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Millbanks, sorry wasn'y able to reply properly to you yesterday. Which part of LA did you visit? In 1976, it had very little crime, and was a rather nice city. About Clinton calling himself an Irishman-with only 1/64th Irish blood. Hmm, rather like me calling myself German, seeing as I've some remote ancestry from Alsatia and Baden! I believe when he was elected, journalists said he was mainly English in origin. He also claims Cherokee ancestry! Millbanks, I have noticed that those who spuriously claim Irish ancestry will also say they have Cherokee Indian blood- even if their forebears lived nowhere near Cherokee tribal lands!!!Indian activists have taken issue with those people as well. They are strict about tribal membership.--jeanne (talk) 05:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Jeanne. I was in Westwood.

Turning to other points, I imagine that with the exception of JFK, all US Presidents have been mainly of English stock (or at least British) though there seems to be no advantage in saying this. I'll put something along these lines on the Irish American discussion page. As for the compliment, well, we're probably about the same age, ie in our prime, so it's permissible for me to give you one!

I did History at Uni in the mid sixties, and have various books on the Tudors. i'm away from home at the moment, but when I get back I'll look through them again. Oh yes, and Jack the Ripper too! Millbanks (talk) 08:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct about most US presidents being primarily of English origin, however, there were some exceptions. Let's begin with Andrew Jackson, whom some historians claim to have been actually born in Ulster and not just of Scots-Irish parentage. He allegedl lied about his year of birth so's to substantiate his claim to having been born in North Carolina. Then there is James Monroe who was Scottish. Buchanan and Woodrow Wilson were of Scots-Irish descent-in fact the latter's grandparents were born in Co.Tyrone and he had cousins living there who claimed the kinship! Then there was Eisenhower who was German, and Van Buren and the two Roosevelts who were Dutch (however the Roosevelts had acquired a lot of English blood as well). One 20th century president Warren G. Harding, allegedly had some black ancestry. One can also make a point in saying that the early Presidents (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc.) were actually born British subjects, and not American seeing as their births occured before American independence. Westwood had good bookshops. I often went there to shop and go to the cinema. I remember taking the number 8 blue bus to get there. Where in Dublin do you live? I lived in Dublin for many years, it's one of my favourite cities. I bet you can't guess which part of Ireland my family came from? The Tudors were one of the most exciting Royal dynasties in European history (yes, even surpassing the Borgias and de Medicis) As for Jack the Ripper, his last victim Mary Jane Kelly was said to have been born in Limerick. Catherine Eddowes may also have had Irish ancestry, seeing as she had an alias Kate Kelly.

Thanks - a very comprehensive summary. Also I think I've read that George W Bush might have some Swedish blood.

I live in New Ross, in the "sunny" south east. JFK's forebears came from nearby, and a statue to him was unveiled recently. 213.104.71.161 (talk) 17:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I had a close friend whose parents were from Co. Wexford, in fact he was a (proven) direct descendant of Dermot MacMurrough. The Kennedys were not highly regarded in Wexford as I have been led to believe. In the article on Irish-Americans we could include First Ladies of Irish ancestry. That would include Pat Nixon and Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy, as her mother's family, the Lees, were of Irish origin. Joe Kennedy didnt want it publicised for fear that Americans would think there was an "Irish invasion" of the White House! LOL. The press instead emphasised her French ancestry (one-eighth- from her paternal great-grandfather).--jeanne (talk) 17:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Bill Clinton: the first "American Indian" president? I don't know, but we can debate about this until the sun comes up...and it wouldn't make a difference to include Bill Clinton in the Wikipedia article list of "Famous Native Americans". There was enough genealogical evidence for Cher, Lou Diamond Phillips, Stand Watie, Iron eyes Cody, Jim Thorpe and Adam Beach to be American Indians by racial origin and tribal membership, but Bill Clinton definitely can't be called one.

I never knew my exact blood degree of American Indian I got (although I prefer to say "Native American" because I know my late maternal grandfather isn't from India/Pakistan), yet I knew about I was part-Cherokee, as well Osage, Delaware and Shawnee from the Eastern parts of Oklahoma where it was Indian territory in the 19th century (1838-1901). The Cherokees are related to the Iroquoian and Algonkian tribes of the Northeast U.S., but their home range was in the Southern Appalachians to be forcibly moved west in the "Trail of tears" in the 1830's.

My grandfather was born on the Osage reservation, a town called Skiatook 10 miles north of Tulsa in 1922 when at the time he wasn't a US citizen nor was his parents, a full-blooded (more likely 4/5th) mother and 1/4 blood father with a Scottish or Ulster Scots surname (not sure). In 1925, Pres. Coolidge signed a law to grant US citizenship to over 500,000 "over half blood" American Indians living on federal-recognized indian reservations who weren't taxpayers. My mother was shocked to hear about Indians, like African Slaves before the Civil war and the Chinese before WWII were denied U.S. citizenship on the account of their race.

He was a sharecropper like his family, dropped out of 6th grade and in the mid 1930's with the great Depression (the "Dust bowl" was farther west), his family moved to Central California at the town of Arvin near Bakersfield, then into L.A. when he turned 18 after the onset of WWII and joined the US marines where he received an official birth certificate to replace the BIA version, plus he was "passing white"/Caucasian by the way he resembled less of an "Indian". He fought in the Pacific theater and the Korean war, but he married my "white" grandmother in Long Beach and she had my Mom, aunt and uncle later. They lived in a race-mixed blue-collar section of Redondo Beach in the 1950's.

Oddly, my Mom never felt "Indian" but has distinct features like long dark hair and the high cheekbones, but inherited blue eyes and light skin from her maternal side, and this was a time when legal racism and cultural intolerance was the norm until the Civil rights era kicked in the 1960's. My grandparents don't like racism against Blacks, Mexicans, Japanese, Armenians and anyone else, plus they moved to Orange county when it was difficult for minorities to buy homes or live there, in part how racism affected them and his patriotic duty as an US marine with the "E pluribus unum" (one people out of many).

My grandma and Mom's siblings now live in Tulsa while my Mom chose to remain in Sou. Cal. while my grandpa's attempts to claim official American Indian descent to obtain some legal compensations and financial repatriations failed in the 1970's. But his work experience in the marines helped him complete his education to land a good paying job and receive veterans' health benefits as well. I oughta be more French than Cherokee Indian, but in a racially troubled country with such divisions between the majority and the minority "people of color", the issues of race and culture affects me since I don't really know much American Indian stuff except I studied the history and know some Cherokee language words. + 71.102.36.5 (talk) 12:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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11 September planes
THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY HIJACKED PLANES ON 911 THEY WERE BY FACT U.S. MILLTARY PLANES —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bs91rp (talk • contribs) 09:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah and they were piloted by Gary Powers, Amelia Earhart, Hanna Reitsche, and Elvis.--jeanne (talk) 13:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Papal names
After John Paul I & John Paul II, I had hoped the current Pope Benedict XVI, would've chosen the name George Ringo. GoodDay (talk) 19:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It don't come easy (the Papal ring)--jeanne (talk) 19:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe the new Pope is George Harrison in disguise, My Sweet Lord-oh no that was about Krishna oops.wrong religion.--jeanne (talk) 19:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll have to look closer at the top Photograph on Benedict's article. GoodDay (talk) 19:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Brian Epstein should have had the Beatles wear full Papal regalia instead of those silly little whore suits they wore.--jeanne (talk) 19:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't wanna even begin to guess at what Epstein would've preferred. GoodDay (talk) 19:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually we have to thank Epstein for taking a chance, most people wouldnt have invested a penny in an unknown quantity such as The Beatles back in 1962.--jeanne (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very true. GoodDay (talk) 19:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Bet you can't guess who the song Sexy Sadie is REALLY about?--jeanne (talk) 08:09, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Marahisah Yogi?? GoodDay (talk) 16:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. Anyone has to be better than him-even Pope Alexander VI Borgia.--jeanne (talk) 17:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Halloween and Lee Harvey Oswald
Boo; I was gonna dress up as the Invisible Man, but I can't seem to find my costume. GoodDay (talk) 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've found him for you here:The Invisible Man.--jeanne (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * EEK. GoodDay (talk) 14:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a compliment. Oswald had far more sex appeal than JFK-and certainly more than Jack Ruby!That photo of him smirking at the reporters.mmm.--jeanne (talk) 14:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do the bad guys always get the gals. GoodDay (talk) 14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Bad? Why do you call him bad? You don't think he pulled the trigger at Dallas do ya?--jeanne (talk) 15:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It was the person behind the grassy knoll (my guess is Officer Tippett). GoodDay (talk) 15:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that's one I've never heard before, but it makes sense. How could Tippet have assumed Oswald was Kennedy's assassin when he was miles from the shooting, but because he matched the vague description put out (white man in his twenties, 5'9 tall)- Not too many in Dallas who could've matched that description, right?-he stopped him! It could well be that you've solved the crime of the 20th century!--jeanne (talk) 18:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the capture of Oswald was a little too easy. GoodDay (talk) 18:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They weren't meant to take him alive. Do you know what I think happened. Oswald was meant to disappear forever which would have led to the belief that he'd been working on behalf of Castro. Look at the fake trail they prepared beforehand: The handing out of the Hands Off of Cuba leaflets, trip to Embassy in Mexico, shooting at Walker, etc. It was all a fake trail which would have been an excuse for US to invade Cuba.They killed many birds with one stone. Got rid of John, got rid of baby brother Bobby (JR and Bobby, remember Dallas?), LBJ gets to sit in the driver's seat, they get their slaughterhouse, they get Cuba back, and so on. Tippet could well have been another Patsy. I never thought of him. Go check out the Oswald talk page. I just commented on the section Allegedly. There are a lot of peoplwe who think Oswald did it. No way, Jose.--jeanne (talk) 18:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (see my page); it's possible the butler did it. GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 19:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Bertha of Hereford

 * Jeanne, I have replied on the article's discussion page. --Doug (talk) 15:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The Use of Allegedly
Hi, I was just reading the new posts on the LHO talk page. The new multi-thousand words posts (I don't think I need to say by who) are hilarious. That guy has so many facts wrong, I can't count them all. And he uses an argument I've heard a lot that goes something like this: Oswald did a bunch of things that no innocent person would do, therefore the only conclusion is that he was the lone assassin of JFK and there was no conspiracy and the Warren Report was right about everything. And did you notice that he has unlimited time to spew bile on the talk page, but none to work on improving the article?

On the one hand, I'd like to spend the time to answer him back, but on the other hand, why bother? Let me say that you have an excellent grasp of why the timeline for Oswald to have been on the 6th floor doesn't work. The official "reconstructions" do not take into account the time he would have needed to extract himself from the sniper's nest, hide the rifle, and make it to the lunchroom. The Warren Report's conclusions on Oswald's movements before the assassination are even more at odds with the facts. If I can ever find the time, I'd like to make these articles a little more square with reality. Joegoodfriend (talk) 07:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you Joegoodfriend. Our fellow editor has added another sarcasm-laced diatribe which I have replied to whilst remaining within the bounds of civility. I'm sure you noticed how he laughed at my mention of the lack of fingerprints on the window frame and sill. A lawyer would have leapt on that like my cat at a mouse. As for the time frame, well the clock does not slow down for anyone, especially one who is obviously agitated- after all one would be slightly nervous after shooting dead the most powerful man on the planet- yet in roughly 90 seconds he managed to wipe the rifle completely clean of prints, negotiate over the boxes, sprint across the room, carefully hide the rifle, and walk down 4 flights of stairs, then appear calm and breathing normally in the lunchroom. So calm, in fact, that neither Officer Baker nor Roy Truly thought anything amiss in his demeanor. 90 seconds. As for JD Tippet, now that makes me laugh. If Oswald's behaviour was so normal 90 seconds after allegedly killing JFK, why would he attract attention to himself, hours later, miles away, by unusual behaviour-not to mention he did match the description put out on the police radio white man in his twenties .Seeing as white men in that age bracket were such rare sights in Dallas, it was only logical that Tippet stop him. Oh, and our fellow editor excuses the presence of Ruby during the fateful transfer, Ruby was known to the cops. Yeah, as a pimp and petty criminal, not to be regarded as a security risk during the transfer of the most important prisoner in the world at that time. Then there's the magical bullet that performed such miraculous feats.Sorry, had Oswald been allowed to live long enough to go to trial, the best lawyer in America would have taken the case and got him off.Our fellow editor needs to realise that before sneering at other people. Oh and here's a little jewel for you. When I mentioned Oswald's ability to learn Russian as a sign of mental aptitude he dismissed it with even imbeciles can learn a foreign language. I tell you.--jeanne (talk) 08:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Fav films
There was something very attractive about Evy's wanting attention (the suit was eye catching, too); at least until she started playing with knives & scissors. I luv an obssesive gal (albeit, minus the murderous traits). By the way, did ya recognized Garver's maid? GoodDay (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Evelyn's little whore suit is actually known as lounging pyjamas.--jeanne (talk) 17:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wowsers; like her style. GoodDay (talk) 17:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about Birdie? Why who is she? I liked her. She had a small part but she was funny. ""This is another time, sugar"".--jeanne (talk) 05:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, Birdie. The actress who played her, latter played Anna Huxtable on The Cosby Show. PS- What's the other movie, ya speakin' of? GoodDay (talk) 14:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm talkin about Platoon,with Bunny, Elias, Sgt.Barnes, Sgt. O'Neill, etc. "Stay, out of this Elias, this ain't your show" -Brilliant line.--jeanne (talk) 17:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I yes, Staff Sergeant Barnes. I wonder who was tougher, him or Animal Mother of Full Metal Jacket fame. GoodDay (talk) 22:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, Hartman drove Pvt. Lawerence (alias Pyle) over the edge, with disasterious results for both. The blanket party helped too. GoodDay (talk) 14:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Best thing about Hartman? the actor Emery was infact a Marine drill sargeant. GoodDay (talk) 14:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * DG & Sarah will return. GoodDay (talk) 14:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

well, it is definitely ferch in modern Welsh, it is the treiglad meddal of merch, meaning daughter, but the spelling wasn't standardised until relatively late, so i imagine you could well find verch in older documents Ehrenkater (talk) 20:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Kalifornia?. You have the advantage, I've never seens that movie. GoodDay (talk) 13:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, someday I'll see Nicolson's latest. I'll never forget Jack as Randall Patrick McMurphy. GoodDay (talk) 16:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Bernard de Neufmarché
Can I suggest you add a footnote citing where you got his mother's name from? Just to be safe: genealogical information is sometimes the least reliable kind at Wikipedia. Thanks! Srnec (talk) 03:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I added that citation you requested. I had spelled Ada's name incorrectly as Hugelville, when it's actually Heugelville. I have also added Gruffydd's wife's name with a citation. Smec, you are absolutely right about genealogical information being unreliable. Look at the confusion over Edith of Mercia and Edith Swan-neck. Some genealogical sites on Internet list them as being the seme person!--jeanne (talk) 06:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Lee Harvey Oswald
Hi Jeanne! I've been following the discussion on Lee Harvey Oswald with interest. I honestly don't know enough details to make a comment on the talk page, but I do remember watching the 1986 LWT television trial. My abiding memory was the excellent case put forward by the defence and my genuine surprise at the guilty verdict, or should I say, the verdict that he acted alone. Other than that programme I have not taken too close an interest in the subject so could not argue with any confidence what happened that day in Dallas. As`for the Warren report, they may have got it right, who knows. On the other hand, I don't believe they would ever have come to any other conclusion as it would have opened up a very large can of worms. Titch Tucker (talk) 07:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The Warren report couldn't come to any other conclusion other than the verdict that Oswald acted alone. To have done otherwise, would most definitely have opened a can of worms. And worms who could not afford to be seen in the light of day. I personally saw on live tv Jack Ruby firing the pistol at Lee Harvey Oswald's stomach, and even though I was but a small child, I can remember thinking in my childish way that the whole thing seemed like a television drama, that it wasn't real at all. It seemed so set-up, surreal. Titch, check out the killing of Oswald on YouTube, now look at the expression in Oswald's eyes as they look towards Ruby, seconds before he's killed. Doesn't everything look pre-planned to you. Watch the cops and see how Oswald has no frontal protection at all.--jeanne (talk) 08:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I was only four when it happened, so I imagine I had more important things on my mind. :) I do agree the protection, or rather lack of protection was startling. They were either the most incompetent law enforcement officers in the US or as you say, there was more to it than that. Titch Tucker (talk) 09:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * They admit having received threats on Oswald'd life the morning of the transfer, yet they proceeded to inform everybody the exact time he'd be transferred and they left him completely exposed. He should have been led out a side entrance away from public eyes, without giving advance notice to the press. Oh, they had an ambulance on hand. Wonder how hard staff tried to save Oswald's life? Ruby's shot did not kill him instantly.--jeanne (talk) 09:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was as young as you when it happened. They had only one network (NBC) which had a live feed from Dallas during the transfer. I was watching it with my family. I can still remember my heart beating fast as soon as Oswald appeared-as though I felt something was about to happen! I remember my mother saying to my dad that now we'll never know the truth. Speaking of live cameras, don't you think it odd that Kennedy's motorcade was not filmed by a local channel? Had Zapruder not been there with his movie camera we would not have any footage of the assassination. I personally think the killer was standing behind the freeway sign or on the Grassy Knoll.--jeanne (talk) 09:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, it is rather odd there was no local channels covering it. Has there ever been an explanation for that? Your dad was probably right, nobody will know for certain what happened that day and even if there was concrete evidence pointing at a second shooter being at the scene it will I'm afraid be long gone by now. Titch Tucker (talk) 10:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and what's more, anyone who was possibly connected with the assassination is likely dead by now or soon to be. I lived in Texas for two years, Titch, and you do hear some strange tales regarding that fateful day in November. You realise just how long ago it was when you see those clips on YouTube-all the reporters wearing hats and the primitive camera equipment. 1963. The 1960s had not properly arrived yet. The USA was still in a 1950s mindset.In fact, the 1960s didn't influence all Americans. Up until the end of the decade, there were lots of American guys with short hair and women with knee-length skirts. They listened to Burt Bacharach and Pat Boone not the Stones and Beatles. Remember the two groups in Platoon?--jeanne (talk) 13:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This sounds like something you have been interested in for a long time Jeanne. I presume you have a number of books on it? If you like, why don't you point a book out for me and I'll have a read. Titch Tucker (talk) 13:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

--jeanne (talk) 17:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Acadian, I am and women dressed in black
I haven't seen those movie. Yep, I'm Acadian -though I don't speak french. I've a mixture of British (English, Welsh, Scottish) & Irish, French & Afrikan (at least, those are the groups I know of). GoodDay (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, you've got a mix of everything in you.--jeanne (talk) 18:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm a colorful guy; giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 19:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I need to add more colour to my wardrobe as for the past 30 years I've been dressing primarily in black. Long before the Goths made it fashionable--jeanne (talk) 06:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Women dressed in black, has always been attractive. There's something mysterious & peaceful about it. GoodDay (talk) 14:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Mysterious, I can understand, as well as dramatic and glamourous, but how is dressing in black peaceful?Please explain.--jeanne (talk) 14:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Black has always had a calming influence on me. I'm a night-time person. GoodDay (talk) 16:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I used to be a night-owl until my first child was born. Children have the habit of changing one's life-style. Yeah, I used to love staying up all night, listening to the radio- My parents always complained about the high electricity bill LOL.--jeanne (talk) 10:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That gal J.Clisson, was out for revenge, wowsers. Night owls: I find the atmosphere is clearer at night. To the best of my knowledge, I've no children. GoodDay (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * To the best of your knowledge GD? Haven't you been keeping track! :) Titch Tucker (talk) 14:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No phone calls from angry females, is good sign there's no little GD's around. GoodDay (talk) 15:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Become a famous rock star and see how many angry females come out of nowhere, babes in arms, palms open wide.--jeanne (talk) 18:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * With knives & scissors (Draper style)? no thanks. GoodDay (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, GoodDay, you could be a famous rock star or disc jockey by the name of Dave Garver! For that matter, you could even be Barack Obama!--jeanne (talk) 10:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not the latter (for sure), I'd have chosen Bill Richardson for the vice presidency; not another old guy with foreign policy experience. GoodDay (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So, if you're not the latter, does that mean you are a rock star (can I have your autograph?) or a disc jockey named Dave Garver (play Misty for me).--jeanne (talk) 07:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I ain't no rock star or DJ. If ya look up the word boring in a dictionary, I just might be mentioned among the definitions. GoodDay (talk) 16:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You BORING? No way, Jose. You are one of the funniest people on Wikipedia.--jeanne (talk) 17:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just a Groucho wannabe. GoodDay (talk) 17:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Kalifornia dreamin'/California nightmare
Someday I'll come across that movie. Ever wonder how Sirhan new RFK was heading towards the kitchen? spooky stuff. GoodDay (talk) 17:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's right. I never considered that. Also, nobody ever talks about him. Like he's been completely forgotten. Oh, what do you think about those Orthodox monks going berserk in Jerusalem?--jeanne (talk) 18:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh another thing, I think you should know that I have been referred to as the California nightmare.--jeanne (talk) 18:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that was a nickname of yours; sorry. GoodDay (talk) 18:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah, bestowed on me by anyone who has known me well.--jeanne (talk) 19:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Obama-mania
Nope, Obama won't be walking across the Potomac. I had hoped he would've chosen Bill Richardson for Veep; but instead (like GW Bush before him) he chose an old white guy, with foreign policy experience. I am grateful, that the 2008 election concluded with a clear victor (remember the Florida incident in 2000 & the Ohio complaints in 2004); it was getting tiresome listening to the Democrats crying foul. GoodDay (talk) 15:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * GoodDay, tell me honestly what you think of Michelle Obama.--jeanne (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * After her husband leaves the White House (in 2013 or 2017); it wouldn't surprise me if she got into elective office herself. GoodDay (talk) 15:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You like her?--jeanne (talk) 15:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Does anyone wonder what will happen if he is a complete disaster? I don't think he will be, if I were American I would have voted for him. But if he is a failure, do you think it will put back equal rights for blacks? If he is a disaster I wonder how long it will be till another black man is voted president. Titch Tucker (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ps: Sorry for butting in. Titch Tucker (talk) 15:32, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Michell Obama, Cindy McCain & Sarah Palin; I found them all to be attractive. GoodDay (talk) 15:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Titch, the blacks will judge him more harshly than the whites. He's only a president with limited powers, not a miracle-worker.--jeanne (talk) 15:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * GoodDay, how do you find Jeanne de Clisson eh?--jeanne (talk) 15:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See above, in the Acadian, I am section. GoodDay (talk) 15:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

re: thank you
Ha, it's my pleasure ;-) I'm just pottering around trying to look useful. Annatto (talk) 19:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

White House stress
Well, Bush's hair is more grey. Nixon appeared very haggard by 1974. Clinton though, never aged much, in appearance. Reagan always dyed his hair. GoodDay (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

British Isles
That's the best I can do (delivering penances). Afterall, I am an atheist. GoodDay (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

2013
I'm currently in a dispute over the date of the US Presidential Inauguration. There's always something, eh? GoodDay (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm still defending my anti-lone-assassin theory over at the LHO talk page. How can so many people trust the government?--jeanne (talk) 20:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm currently being nosey listening in to other peoples conversations. Titch Tucker (talk) 20:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Titch, you are always welcome at my party. As Rene from Aqua says to Barbie, "Jump in"!--jeanne (talk) 20:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll bring the Duff beer. Titch Tucker (talk) 20:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No need to do that. Just your company will do!--jeanne (talk) 05:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Things have been settled at that article concerning the Inaugural Date. GoodDay (talk) 16:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

American monarchist?
I thought ya'll were extinct. GoodDay (talk) 22:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Extinct? All the loyalists moved up to Canada! :) --Cameron* 13:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean like the dinosaur? Or dodo bird? Or male chauvinists?--jeanne (talk) 05:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no loyalist ancestry but I do have lots of Royalists in my family tree. I personally prefer the Stuarts to the Hanovers, the Stuart royals had so much glamour and elàn (obviously inherited from Mary, Queen of Scots) whereas the Hanoverians were so cloddish. Caroline of Anspach, however was said to have been a rather shrewd woman.--jeanne (talk) 13:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Melisende of Arsuf
Hey, nice article on Melisende, but do you have any more information about the sources? It would be better to have fuller references, with authors, publication date, etc. Adam Bishop (talk) 06:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I see...I have seen the Medieval Lands site before, now that I look at it. I'm not sure why they use random manuscripts of the Lignages when there is a perfectly good modern edition (Lignages d'Outremer by Marie-Adélaïde Nielen, Académie des inscriptions et belles lettres, 2003). A lot of their other sources are badly out of date too, but that's true for just about every crusades website (even Wikipedia). I'll see what I can do. Adam Bishop (talk) 08:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's possible the research was done at an earlier time, prior to the release of the Nielen edition. I believe those manuscripts are to be found at the Vatican Library. I wish I could locate more info on Melisende's parents. Her father Guy never held the Lordship of Arsuf, her brother Jean was the first Lord. But I haven't been able to discover in which year he was created Lord. Wikipedia gives 1163 as the date of his birth. That would make him roughly 10 years older than Melisende. Seeing as her last son Guy was born c.1215, she could't have been born before 1170. I'd give her a date between 1171-1175.--jeanne (talk) 08:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Victoria's paternity
We have indeed conversed before...while you were relatively new, I think! Eww, Sir John Conroy! I have no doubt that her father was the Duke of Kent. What did you mean by callous attitude towards Ireland? Where did you get that from? You may wish to read this. I quote "Queen Victoria fell in love with Ireland" and "In response to what came to be called the Irish Potato Famine (An Gorta Mór - Irish for "The Great Famine"), the Queen personally donated 2,000 pounds sterling to the starving Irish people." Only later in life did she refuse to visit Ireland but that was a response to the rudeness of a small group of people. Well, those are my views anyway... Best, --Cameron* 13:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was hoping you'd say John Conroy was likely her father. It's not a prurient interest which propels me toward that viewpoint but rather my Irish ethnic pride. Yes, I believe we chatted on the Elizabeth I talk page when I questioned the possibility of her having had an illegitimate daughter by Seymour. Once again, that was not prurient curiousity but the desire to discover possible descendants of Anne Boleyn. Romantic perhaps, prurient no.--jeanne (talk) 13:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose we'll never know. I'm guessing, collecting DNA from Queen Victoria's & John Conroy's remains wouldn't be possible. Is it possible to convince the Royals & the Conroys of today, to have DNA tests? interesting. GoodDay (talk) 16:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually they have had DNA test in the past. Something to do with Anastasia if I remember correctly. --Cameron* 18:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * True. I think also, even if it was proven Victoria was actually Conroy's daughter. I doubt Parliament would depose Elizabeth II or alter the current line of succession. GoodDay (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, can you imagine all the Royals giving DNA tests? Me thinks it may lead to some kind of constitutional crisis. It would be fun though to find out who sired who. Titch Tucker (talk) 16:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed. GoodDay (talk) 16:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be funny if it were discovered Titch, GoodDay and I all shared the same DNA. Now whaddaya say about that? Kissin' cousins indeed!--jeanne (talk) 17:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, we are related. Your mother & my mother, are/were both mothers. GoodDay (talk) 17:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * HI COUSIN! When's the next family reunion?--jeanne (talk) 17:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've no clue. Nobody ever informs me of such events. GoodDay (talk) 17:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if it's alright with you guys we'll have the party here on my talk page. We must not forget to invite my fervent admirer Dunlavin. He's taking his own sweet time revving his engines.--jeanne (talk) 17:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Cameron, they did DNA tests on the remains of the Tsar Nicholas II and his family in the 1990s. They matched with the DNA of Prince Philip, who is the closest living relative of the murdered Romanovs. Two of the children were not found in the grave, Tsarevich Alexis and Maria. In the beginning it was rumoured that Tatiana had escaped. Then the story was changed to Anastasia. Anyway, I never believed in the Anastasia tale. (Neither did Mick Jagger, considering he wrote Anastasia screamed in vain).Joking aside, Tatiana was said to have been rescued by a soldier. A pity it didnt happen that way. They were a beautiful family, the best-looking of all European royals.--jeanne (talk) 19:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Better looking than our own beautiful royals? Never! ;p --Cameron* 19:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Prince Philip isn't bad-looking and he's the closest living relative to the Tsar and his family. Tatiana was georgeous-in fact, I named my daughter after her.--jeanne (talk) 07:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The Queen is certainly gorgeous. And then there's Beatrice, Zara and Eugenie, who are all soo beautiful! Harry and William are also two fine looking young chaps! :) --Cameron* 16:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, come on folks, break it up. They may be reading this, you wouldn't want to embarass them. :) Titch Tucker (talk) 16:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Good, might remind them about my knighthood! :) --Cameron* 20:04, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Prince William is very nice-looking, actually. Charles isn't bad. Titch, how would any of the Royals end up on my talk page? Sounds like Twilight Zone or a novel by Kafka. Jeanne Boleyn is being watched-by everyone, including G.W.Bush, the CIA, Tony Blair, the Russians, Japanese industrialists, the fashion police and the British Royal Family. (Jeanne is becoming like this painting by Munch The Scream)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--jeanne (talk) 09:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Pipelinks
Here's a couple of examples: [Republic of Ireland|Ireland], [Governor of Alaska|Alaska Governor] etc. GoodDay (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Whaaaaaaaat?--jeanne (talk) 18:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, they look like this Ireland & Alaska Governor. -- GoodDay (talk) 18:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been working on the Bobby Lennox article were I've been pipelinking (is that a word?) quite a lot. I learn something new almost every day here. Titch Tucker (talk) 18:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know the orgin of the word, but it's a slinky idea. For example Robert Lennox. -- GoodDay (talk) 18:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What does it mean as far as wikipedia articles are concerned?--jeanne (talk) 18:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK now Ive figured it out.A kind of redirect.--jeanne (talk) 18:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The article Dublin, is an example of where pipelinking has helped defused (or infused) frustrations over the name 'Republic of Ireland'. GoodDay (talk) 18:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)



Uncultured Yank

 * This is for those enlightened, sophisticated, trendsetting people out there (I shant mention names) who consider me, by dint of having been conceived and born in the backward, feudal state of California, to be nothing other than an uncultured Yank-at this point, apologies are due to Zack Thompson who was wounded in the War of Northern Aggression and would turn over in his grave if he heard his great-great-granddaughter called a YANK. Anyroad, I consider these to be valid cultures, worthy of anything the continent of my forefathers and foremothers has produced over the last two millenium: Surf culture (radical man), Lowriders (bajito y sauvecito), and the Hell's Angels MC. Ok, anyone out there (and I do mean you DG) got a problem with my heritage?--jeanne (talk) 07:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I've returned (everybody please, hold your applause). Luv the photo. GoodDay (talk) 20:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I put it there especially for Dunlavin, just so he can see how hard I am TRYING to become cultured.--jeanne (talk) 20:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My god! Is that a beer your drinking! How uncultured can you get! sniff. We Europeans don't do that sort of thing. ;) Titch Tucker (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey dude, you tellin me that beer-drinkin aint cultured, cool, and sophisticated? And there I was, like, tryin to totally soak up European culture. Maaaaaan, what a drag.--jeanne (talk) 06:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

European Union and the Euro
I know that various right wing nationalists in Europe, not least England, are anti-EU, as are a few old-style socialists, but I'm surprised that you, as an American, take such a hard line approach on the subject. Presumably you would let the peoples of Europe decide for themselves? The EU has helped bring democracy and prosperity to the continent, and the euro has helped remove currency exchange difficulties. We now have the same currency all over western and southern Europe, and it is not a problem; if anything it is an advantage. Millbanks (talk) 23:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC) 23:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Millbanks, you are forgetting that I'm an American who has been living in Italy for over 15 years continuously. Most people here in Sicily are right-wing, and extrememly anti-EU and anti-Euro, considering how the prices here immediatly doubled upon the imposition of the stupid, useless currency. Especially in the food and clothing sector, both of which I am rather fond as are virtually 100% of the Italians! The crime, especially rape and drunk-driving, has also tripled since certain countries were granted entry into the club. As a long-time European resident, Europe's concerns have therefore become my concerns, my Stars and Stripes passport notwithstanding.--jeanne (talk) 06:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The currency is not useless. I use it every day, except for when I have to visit the UK, which I do as rarely as possible. If people don't like the EU, they can vote to leave it, either by referenda, if given the chance, or by electing politicians. Incidentally, our friends in the UK never had a chance to vote on being in a so-called "United" Kingdom. Millbanks (talk) 11:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason that I hate the EU is because it wants to erode all the diversity each nation has to offer and make everyone a bland, uniform single entity. Rather like a drab, grey council housing estate.--jeanne (talk) 11:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, after centuries of warfare and division, Europe now has peace and prosperity. I'm not sure who in the EU has the plans you decribe; I doubt if you are either. Getting back to the euro, it is indeed a most useful currency. I've used it in Greece, Germany, France and Italy as well as Ireland. I am not surcharged for using my credit card or cash machines, as I would be if I were to visit the north of Ireland.Millbanks (talk) 22:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I remember seeing a part about an Euro MP, on Spitting Image. -- GoodDay (talk) 17:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't Millbanks (talk) 22:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Funny how such a "democratic" institution isn't elected by the common people, hold secret ballots and are not answerable to anyone. When we get the referendum, chances are, we will leave the EU entirely. --Cameron* 20:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The European Parliament is elected. I'm not sure who "we" are. I hope you're British, not Irish. I would shed no tears if the UK were to leave the EU. It would further weaken Ireland's links with Britain, and leave you to the joys of British life (the class system, congestion, antagonism, rudeness, incompetence, complacency..... warm beer and old maids bicycling to holy communion through the mist) Millbanks (talk) 22:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ireland has a class system as well. One street, on either side of a given neighbourhood, can make the difference between middle-class and working-class (example:Raheny and Artane in Dublin).--jeanne (talk) 22:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I rather think Ray Davies somes up England much better in the Kinks song Waterloo Sunset, dirty old river must you keep rolling, rollng into the night. I've some lovely memories of walking along the Thames, near Cheyne Walk, and shopping at Biba's on Kensington High Street in 1975, with Cockney Rebel singing on the radio, and everyone wearing the enormous flares. In 1979, I travelled all over England on my own, and also went up to Scotland. Everyone treated me well. I also remember when in 1980, I lived in Lewes, with it's preserved medieval buildings and one particularly delightful pub, I think it was called The Swan, where I could go in alone and chat to the locals. In Ireland, it was uncomfortable to go inside a pub alone. Here in Italy the men swarm around like flies if a female goes to a locale on her own. I would prefer old ladies on bicycles any day to what we've got now thanks to the bleak, Orwellian EU-rape, child-stealing, robbery, high prices, poor quality of merchandise, and wonderful, rich diversity pre-EU Europe had to offer replaced by Soviet-style monotony. Even the EU flag is horrible. EU needs to fade away like a bad nightmare.--jeanne (talk) 08:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Glad you liked England; my memories are different. Of course if you hate the EU you have three choices: leave it; stay and put up with it; or vote it out through the democratic process. Yes, it's true that places are becoming more similar, and tourists here, often American, complain that Ireland is losing some of its character. We watch DVDs, American, British and Aussie soaps, have computers, drink wine, eat burgers and enjoy Budweiser. But that is not because of the EU. In any event we still have our own specific characteristics and way of life, as do the English, Italians, Greeks, Germans, etc. And EU regulationss, good or bad, will only have a limited effect on that. Come to think of it, though, aren't Budweiser, burgers, etc American? And don't the Americans wish to spread their culture to less enlightened folks? You've succeeded to a great degree, even though difficult people like the French resent it. Millbanks (talk) 08:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I admit that there are three things I miss about America:The central heating system, Saturday Night Live, and all the Mexican reastaurants (Ahhh, when I was visited Texas in 2006, I gorged on Mexican food!!!!!)--jeanne (talk) 09:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The French have always resented American imposition on French culture. My mother's paternal grandmother was a French woman from Louisiana. The people there considered to call themselves French decades after Louisiana became an American state. My grandfather was always known as a Frenchman because of his mother, who had never set foot in France, yet she spoke fluent French, had French customs, a French name, a French mentality. My aunt knew her personally and said she always called herself French and not American! And then you have the Quebecois in Canada. The French are probably the most fiercely nationalistic nation on the planet. I wonder why they don't insist that their national football players learn the French national anthem. Do you not recall how pathetic the French team looked alongside the Italians during the 2006 World Cup when all the Italian players were singing Italy's anthem, while the French just stared blankly ahead during The Marseillaise. Only the French supporters were heard singing. Disgraceful.--jeanne (talk) 09:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * As a son of a Frenchmen who came to America over 40 yrs. ago and became a naturalized US citizen, I can agree on your comments about the French people. The strong sense of nationalism does appear chauvinistic to others, but what about American patriots like the ones on Fox News channel treated France as if it was the worst country on earth? I understand what France has been through in the 20th century, being devastated by two world wars and their decline as a superpower in the 1950s & 60s like the wars in Algeria, Indochina and the Suez canal, and the 1968 anti-DeGaulle regime protest strikes in Paris turned into the worst rioting since the French Revolution of 1789. The Americans used to be very welcomed in my Dad's home town of St. Omer in the Nord/Pas-de-Calais, the region facing Belgium and England (the Channel is about 40 miles apart) has some oldtimers like my grandparents whom vividly remembered the brutal Nazi occupation and my grandpa was in the Free french resistance, stayed in exile in England for 2 years and returned after the D-day invasion for his countrymen to fight off Nazi troops. France doesn't like war, they been defeated alot and problems with their historic neighbors is worthless and pity (esp. the Napoleonic era, Franco-Prussian wars, World War I and the Nuclear struggle in the cold war); therefore their response to the U.S. occupation of Iraq was heavily opposed and nearly threatened what's said to be our "oldest alliance" agreement going back to French military aid in the American revolution when they also fought the British. I'm sure the French love to preserve their culture alike any nationality, in fact the majority of French people don't want to be "bombarded" with American pop culture, some of it they love and adapted, but other things they can do without or didn't want at the first place. Also I agree (unfortunately) the immigration problem in France is acutely worse, they had race riots in Oct. 2005 throughout its urban centers where large numbers of poor immigrants (and 2nd/3rd-generation youth) of Northern African descent felt unwelcomed and victims of police brutality, racial violence by Nazi-like skinheads, or right-wing political hatred. France needs to check themselves on where their country is heading to, they are part of the European Union and have elected Nicolas Sarkozy who promised to introduce a "reaganomic" style of economics into the country's notably social welfare oriented government, that tells me what France's priorities are: free health care for all citizens vs. spending for a non-realistic "world war 3". + 71.102.36.5 (talk) 11:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Being Irish
On Sarah's Discussion page, you state that, "being Irish is like being pregnant, you're either Irish or you're not". A very strange statement. Where does this leave the Scots Irish, Ian Paisley, the Anglo-Irish, London Irish, Bill Clinton (a former Irish American of the Year), Chris de Burgh, Rosanna Davison, etc., etc., etc.? I know plenty of people who are part Irish and are happy to be so and describe themselves as that. I've never met anyone part pregnant. Millbanks (talk) 08:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Living in Glasgow, I do know some Scots who consider themselves Irish, even with only Irish grandparents. One guy, a good friend of mine, will tell you he's Irish and he's never even been there. Of course, I tell him he's just strange, but can I force him to feel Scottish? Glasgow is a strange city, and that comes from a Glaswegian. Titch Tucker (talk) 09:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said, quite strange. Some will say they are British first, others Irish, and most I think, like me will say they are Scottish. We sure are a mixed up city. Millbanks, what would most Irish people say to my Irish (Scottish) friend? Would they accept him as Irish or would they tell him he was having a laugh. Titch Tucker (talk) 09:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Titch, remember Alex, my Glaswegian boyfriend-of-two weeks? Well, all of his friends from Glasgow were of Irish ancestry, although he was a Scots Catholic. A bit pregnant is a joke Millbanks. Once you're pregnant, that's it, degrees of pregnancy aren't relevent. As for being Irish, it's about genetics that I'm referring to. A Californian like me who supports monarchy has the same Irish genetic make-up as a Sinn Fein supporter from the Falls Road. Politics and genetics are not mutually inclusive.--jeanne (talk) 09:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Your right Jeanne that politics and genetics are not mutually exclusive. What I joke with my friend about is the fact he calls himself Irish and he's always been only a 45 minute flight from Ireland, and still not been there. He's the same age as me so has had plenty of time to do so. I'm not too sure how seriously he actually thinks he's Irish. It could be more to do with the fact he supports Celtic, like me. Titch Tucker (talk) 10:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps he's afraid he'll encounter someone like my fervent admirer Dunlavin Green (see above) and be told that he's a Benign Colonial avoiding reality by claiming Irish ancestry LOL. Oops, I meant to say exclusive. tanx.--jeanne (talk) 10:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Barack & Diana
Being a republican, I never was a fan of Diana (particular after the Bulimia stuff). But, at the moment, the way Obama is being treated, ya'd think he was gonna walk across the Potomac. The papparazi won't be able to harrass him, as much as they did Diana (considering the Secret Service protection). But overhall, yeah the same media fixation is there. GoodDay (talk) 14:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he will become the male Diana, his photo will be everywhere, he already has songs written about him. Michelle will be an outspoken, controversial First Lady, a bit like Betty Ford.--jeanne (talk) 19:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * At least Obama will have real powers & duties. As for the paparazzi? I hope Harry can KO one of them someday, as they're an annoying group. That gang should've been locked up for harassment decades ago. I thought they went too far when they photoed Willima relieving himself behind some bushes. GoodDay (talk) 20:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Prince William relieved himself behind some bushes?? What on earth have the Royal family come to! They should have arrested the dirty blighter. Titch Tucker (talk) 07:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually Diana appeared to have had a love/hate relationship with the paparazzi, whereas Jackie Kennedy really detested them. The latter was far more private and reserved than Diana. Could you imagine Jackie appearing on the Johnny Carson Show, and talking openly about JFK's love affairs?--jeanne (talk) 11:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * (res to Titch) It was when William was a little brat. (res to Jeanne) Jackie O, what a charmer she was (they say) - everybody loved her, but Jack. Heeeeeere's Jackie.. not; correct, she'd never speak of such things. GoodDay (talk) 16:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ive got a really tacky scenario in my head. As Johnny calls out: Heeeeeeeeere's Jackie, she walks onstage in her pink, blood-stained suit. Talk about vulgarity. No way, Jose, would she have ever descended to that level of crassness. She was definitely not a let it all hang out person. GoodDay, Titch, that's an old 1960s expression regarding honesty, it has nought to do with indecent exposure-ha--jeanne (talk) 06:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Power Outages, Dreams, and Marilyn Manson
I'd been sidelined since yesterday evening. GoodDay (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what a drag. Titch tells me it's snowing where you are. Better snow than depressing, ugly rain.--jeanne (talk) 18:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I love rain, well, more than snow, especially when it gets all that slushy way. Titch Tucker (talk) 18:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If I dream of The French Revolution, will you dream of the Wat Tyler rebellion of 1381?--jeanne (talk) 18:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Those sneaky Royals. :( Titch Tucker (talk) 18:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

One night, I dreamt I was a muffler. I woke up exhausted. GoodDay (talk) 18:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm out of ideas. I might be having a brain drain. GoodDay (talk) 17:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, you are today, just the way I was yesterday, totally WIPED OUT.--jeanne (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As you can tell on my UserPage, I've backed away from ENG/SCOT/NI/WAL related articles. Also, I'm still in Matt's penalty box. GoodDay (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Who's Matt?--jeanne (talk) 18:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's Matt Lewis; but I don't hold a grudge against him. Overall he's cool; I just pressed his wrong buttons, when I suggested Wikipedia would've been better off if England, Scotland, Northern Ireland & Wales were each independant. GoodDay (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You've got a DARK side? Oh my God, don't tell me you belong in this music video on YouTube: Marilyn Manson The Boy That You Love is the Man That You Fear. Eekk, that's a scary video. All those trailors in the middle of the desert. Go over on YouTube and check it out.--jeanne (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The part of me which faces away from the sun (depending on my angle), is my dark side. On overcasted days, I'm more normal. PS- Manson on YT, I may check later (sheepishly, I'm not big on heavy-metal). GoodDay (talk) 18:25, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, did I tell you I bunked down for a night in a heavy metal star's house? No, really, I did. It was over twenty years ago. Titch Tucker (talk) 18:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Who who who? Come on you can tell me, I shall not tell a soul (It wasn't Ritchie Blackmore by any chance?--jeanne (talk) 18:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, should I tell you, taptaptap. The group just brought out their first album in about ten years and are on a world tour. Oh, yeah, there are two brothers in the group. Can you guess Jeanne? Titch Tucker (talk) 18:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Van Halen? But they are hard rock, not really heavy metal.Besides, they are American, not British. Judas Priest?--jeanne (talk) 18:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * They are neither American or British, though a couple of the band were born there. Alright Jeanne, I'll tell you which band it was, it was ACDC. Titch Tucker (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, it was when you lived in New Zealand? I hear it's a beautiful country, The scenery is similar to the Scottish Highlands. I've been to Scotland,. Edinburgh is one of my favourite cities, and the Highlands' scenery left me breathless. I stayed near the Eilean Donan Castle. Georgeous.--jeanne (talk) 18:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, New Zealand is very similar to Scotland. In fact when I came back here I moved from Edinburgh to Glasgow. It took a little longer than 45 minutes. Titch Tucker (talk) 18:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, nobody commented on my muffler joke. GoodDay (talk) 19:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I did laugh GD. I must dream of mufflers every night. Titch Tucker (talk) 19:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's an oldie, but a goldie: 'Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas, I'll never know'. GoodDay (talk) 19:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe. I'm racking my brain trying to remember who first told that joke, any ideas GD? I'm sure I saw some old footage recently of a comedian telling it. Titch Tucker (talk) 19:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * (Outdent): It was Groucho Marx, Mr. Wise Guy, himself. GoodDay (talk) 19:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha, old Groucho, the guy who's the spitting image of you, or vice versa. I think your pulling our leg on that one. Titch Tucker (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Minus the painted mustache & eyebrows, of course. GoodDay (talk) 19:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ive got a fab idea. Why don't you guys both upload your photos to your user pages. That way I can decide which one of you to dream about (Like the painting)--jeanne (talk) 19:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, alright. I don't look like Groucho (I'm just a Groucho wannabe). Here's my true appearance: shoulder length brown hair, with mustache & ocassionaly a beard; with sprinkles of grey. Oval shaped small glasses & slighty long nose. GoodDay (talk) 19:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Dreams are best left to the imagination Jeanne. If I put my picture on my user page all the wiki women would try and track me down. I would never get any peace. Oops, I've got my head stuck in the door, gotta go. :) Titch Tucker (talk) 19:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Dream lover

 * It's not fair. You've both seen my photos, now let me see yours. I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours, hee hee hee hee (BTW, I used to play that game as a child, as soon as the boy showed me his, I'd run away without showin a thing!)--jeanne (talk) 05:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I am waiting.....--jeanne (talk) 18:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * But, I already described myself. My 2nd cousin says I look like George Fox; not sure if that's a good comparison. GoodDay (talk) 18:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)




 * Picture G.Fox, with his hair comb'd straigt back & wah-la, it's me. GoodDay (talk) 19:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My friends say I look like my father, not sure if that helps. Titch Tucker (talk) 19:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * GD, who in hell is G. Fox? Titch, is your dad Sean Connery? If so ,I'm ready to rock and roll with ya.--jeanne (talk) 06:11, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * George Fox is the fella. GoodDay (talk) 16:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Way hey, dude, you ain't bad-lookin if you look like him. But, you still cannot compete with my dream lover (see photo at bottom of my page)--jeanne (talk) 17:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please tell me, ya never went out with him. He looks like the type of fellow, who gets all the gals & frustrates us guys over how he does it. PS- thanks for the compliment. GoodDay (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, he wanted to marry me, but seeing as I did not wish to live happily ever after in a men's hotel in Brighton, England, I turned him down (and I've been regretting it ever since, sigh....)--jeanne (talk) 17:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * He looks like a 'junkie' (I'm assuming you never went out with him). GoodDay (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) By the way Jeanne. If you really care (or did care) for this guy; then I apologies for the 'farting/junkie' comments. If ya wish, I'll delete them. GoodDay (talk) 01:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You need not delete anything GD. But for the record, he was neither a junkie nor my boyfriend. Just a friend who was rather fond of me. The English would call him a wally.--jeanne (talk) 05:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 15:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Modern Celts

 * Yes, the Cornish are a Celtic nation. But it doesn't follow that the English are Celtic too. The English are Angles and Saxons (from northern Germany) and Jutes (from Jutland, now Denmark). For example, the English in Essex (the East Saxons) would have no Cornish in them at all. The Normans now make up part of the English. The were from Normandy, but before that, from Denmark - hense being called the north men. The Cornish were often known as the West Welsh, and are closely related to the Welsh and the Bretons linguisticaly. Hello cousin! Daicaregos (talk) 11:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got maternal Cornish ancestry, which is why I commented. Did the Saxons, Angles, Jutes bring women with them or marry native Britons?--jeanne (talk) 14:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * To use the word 'marry' may be a little too romantic, and implies that there may have been some element of agreement. Some DNA research has implied that there is a significant proportion of (pre-Anglo-Saxon) British blood in the English. However, other research, for example here has confirmed the ethnic cleansing/genocide of the people who lived in what is now known as England before the Anglo-Saxons arrived. Also, the folk tales of Arthur winning significant battles against the Saxons coincide chronologically with the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles notes of large numbers of people returning from Britain, so I assume that they would have been men, women and children and all Anglo-Saxon. There is a Welsh poem of exquisite, heartbreaking pathos, called Canu Heledd (Heledd's song) and the original here, particularly 'Stafell Gynddylan' (Cynddylan's hall). It tells of her brother's murder and the destruction of his home. This, and other things, lead me towards the genocide theory, however nice it would be to believe that the Anglo-Saxons walked hand in hand with the people whose land it was before they arrived. So, to your original question, I think the balance of probabilities leads me to believe that if the genetic research showing British blood in the English is correct, it is because the Saxons murdered British men and took British women as their 'wives'. Yours, Daicaregos (talk) 21:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Marry was a euphemism for ravage, but I'm sure marriages of a sort did occur, at least families were formed between invading Saxons and their British women. The report you linked proved my assumption, that is to say, English Y-chromosome DNA is Saxon whereas English mtDNA is closely related to the Welsh. Most dark eyes in England, (among the people who are not descended from recent immigrants), occur in the west while in the north and east, blue eyes are dominant. I need to point out an example which accords with this. Look at the four members of the Beatles. Three out of four had dark eyes, one (Ringo) has blue. All four were born in Liverpool, with varying portions of Irish and Welsh ancestry reported for George (Irish mother, mainly Welsh father) and John (mostly Welsh, perhaps 1/4 Irish), Paul has about 50% Irish ancestry, yet Ringo is, reportedly, of mainly English ancestry, and he's got the blue eyes.--jeanne (talk) 09:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Paul's gotta have Scottish in him. The Mc in McCartney is the sure evidence. GoodDay (talk) 17:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * He does, of course. He's also got Manx ancestry. Lennon also had Scottish blood on his mother's side. The Stanley's were Welsh and Scottish.--jeanne (talk) 17:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keith Richards has Welsh ancestry on his dad's side and French Huguenot on his mother's.--jeanne (talk) 18:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Bonsoir, mes amies. Just wanted to tell you I have French Huguenot from my Dad's side (sometimes you just gotta share!!), Daicaregos (talk).


 * Not only the British Isles' "home nations" came from different peoples before the Anglo-Saxon invasion and settlement, France is another example and Normandy is now one of the regions of France. For thousands of years, many tribes and empires ruled parts of or the whole of France, there are the Celtic Gauls where the term "Gallic" as many French people call themselves originated, then came a West Germanic tribe: the "Franks" founded the kingdom with the namesake after the departure of the Romans who gave France its' Latin-based language, Christianity (Roman Catholic church) and many of the French cultural values or traits shared by Italians, Spaniards and other "Latin" peoples. For anyone to know about their ethnic/national background, they should learn about their country's histories or they don't know what they are talking about. + 71.102.36.5 (talk) 11:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The four knights and Thomas Becket

 * Ahhh, ya gotta luv music British Invasion. Ya know Jeanne, you & I may live forever; do ya think there's a chance of it? Ha ha ha. GoodDay (talk) 18:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do you think I, with 75% Irish and 1/8th French ancestry am an Anglophone? It was the music mainly, along with the literature, films and history, of course, but the music ahhh, I am so glad I was old enough to remember the first time I saw The Stones on tv in 1964 and my dad making fun of them. I think they sang Tell Me.--jeanne (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way; do ya recognize that "...live forever' line...? GoodDay (talk) 18:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It sounds like a Freddy Mercury line.--jeanne (talk) 18:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's from the 1968 movie 'The Lion in Winter'. GoodDay (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I love that film. Peter O'Toole was always one of my favourite actors. Ever see Becket?He played Henry II in that film as well.--jeanne (talk) 18:22, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe so: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?. I got a kick out of Blackadder's homage of that scene. GoodDay (talk) 18:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Becket was really Norman not Saxon as the film shows him to have been.--jeanne (talk) 18:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. GoodDay (talk) 19:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * GD, can you name the four knights who murdered Becket?--jeanne (talk) 10:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, haven't a clue. PS: (from Rock's page) Who's Adrian Konaeur? GoodDay (talk) 16:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * GOOD MORNING VIETNAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--jeanne (talk) 18:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The knights who murdered Becket were: Richard le Breton, William de Tracy, Reginald FitzUrse, and Hugh de Moreville. Now you can sleep tonight.--jeanne (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh, the Robin Williams scream. As for the knights, they really took things deliberately, eh? GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Anything to please their King. Passing the buck goes back to pre-historic times,alas.--jeanne (talk) 19:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A bit of trivia. Lillie Langtry was a descendant of Richard le Breton. Obviously pleasing Kings ran in the family!--jeanne (talk) 19:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Langtry survived her encounters with Edward VII? GoodDay (talk) 19:34, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not? Didn't I survive my encounter with Titch?--jeanne (talk) 19:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll have to let Titch respond. GoodDay (talk) 19:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Where is he?--jeanne (talk) 19:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Signed out, I'm guessing. GoodDay (talk) 20:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Here I am. What? Where? Who? Which encounter did you survive, Jeanne? There have been so many. Titch Tucker (talk) 21:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The one I dreamt about last night. I warned you not to allow yourself to get caught in one of my dreams. My dreams make Franz Kafka novels seem like Little Women in comparison. Now you shall need to change your user name from Titch Tucker to Josef K.--jeanne (talk) 08:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Fade Out, Fade In
Yep, I'll be making sporadic visits on Wikipedia, over the next 2 days. PS- I call her squirmin' herman. 16:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The GD returns: My abolishment vote is ready, for when Canada has its referendum. GoodDay (talk) 15:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Good work

 * Thank you very much.--jeanne (talk) 11:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Congrats on the Barnstar. Well deserved, Jeanne. Titch Tucker (talk) 23:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Titch, I see you've got one as well.--jeanne (talk) 07:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * As a self-proclaimed republican, I applaud your Barnstar. GoodDay (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * GD, I really think that deep down, you are a monarchist like me.God Save The Queen.--jeanne (talk) 10:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The GD returns: Nope, my abolishment vote is ready, whenever Canada has its Referendum on the monarchy/republican matter. GoodDay (talk) 15:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

They're back...
Hi, Jeanne! As you've probably already noticed, some users have started adding sweet romance-novel-like sentences and irrelevant images to Catherine of Aragon. What can we do about it? Surtsicna (talk) 11:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I haven't even noticed changes of Anne Boleyn articles! Please be persistant and don't let them ruin the article that's so close to FA status. I will help you as much as I can. By the way, have you noticed who is making those edits? Hellothereimchloe. I can't believe she is back again... Surtsicna (talk) 16:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

It's very amusing you get so worked up about this, this isnt even a proper encyclopedia, and most people dont even take it seriously coz its so biast and unreliable. The amount of bias on here is disgusting. Oooh wow an article is thought good of by anonymous people on the interenet that isnt even a proper historical orginazation, big deal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellothereimchloe (talk • contribs) 17:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Guns
Hi Jeanne - thanks for the note on my page. Just want to clear up something that you may have misconstrued from Prussian's remarks. I completely agree that gun control in America will not work and likely would be counter-productive. However, we in Canada can learn from America's experience here in that in a choice between allowing handguns more generally or not, we opt for the latter. And we are far safer in Canada in general in part as a result. So, in the choice between protecting your family by a) arming your home or b) creating a community which is less violent we in Canada have gone towards b). Canada Jack (talk) 15:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree that creating a safe community is far preferable to a home with guns, especially a home which contains children and teenagers. I lived in Texas for two years with my mother and there wasn't a single gun in our house, although my dad owned two when we lived in California. The amount of guns in private homes in Texas is staggering. I used to see 12 year old boys strolling past the house with shotguns to hunt squirrels in the woods! On the other hand, houses in Texas only get robbed while the owners are AWAY. Here, in Italy, people are robbed and attacked in their own homes by armed criminals. I hate guns but they are a necessity in America, especially for women living on their own.--jeanne (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Saw your note about the war of independence and 1812. And I agree with you on that, though as I pointed out on Prussian's page an armed citizenry today would be of little use against a modern army. Gun ownership in Iraq is near-universal, but that did nothing to stop Saddam Hussein's dictatorship, not did it do anything to stop the American invasion (and there were good numbers of people there who opposed it.) And we see insurgents using other methods to attack Americans. Indeed, when faced with insurgents taking shots at Americans, what do Americans typically do? They call in air strikes. Not much anyone with a rifle can do about that.

But, since I am a Canadian, I must point out that the "defence" you speak of during the War of 1812 must be remembered within the context - Britain had no intentions to actually take over the country, rather they were far more focussed on dealing with a certain Frenchman back in Europe. Britain spanked America for its attempt to take over Canada, something, I must note with pride, was in large part repelled by Canadian irregulars. Armed irregulars! Since America was successfully repelled, we consider that we won that war, though Americans like to point out they got Britain to cease seizing sailors etc. so it was a "draw." Right. That's like saying you tried to take over someone's house because their dog crapped on your lawn and when you were successfully repelled and the dog has since died anyway, you "won" that one. By the end of the War of 1812, Britain didn't need to impress sailors, so it was a non-issue. Canada Jack (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You cannot fault the French (not to mention Andrew Jackson!) at The Battle of New Orleans-pure heroism! I don't mean to play the history teacher but the Frenchman you speak of was actually Corsican. Corsica did-and still does, belong to France but the people are of Italian ethnicity. I have some French-Canadian ancestry myself, I'm a descendant of some of the fist French men and women who settled Montreal. The French and Indian War interested me in school. I thought it a pity the French lost Canada.--jeanne (talk) 18:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Gun control in America, won't work. IMHO, they should eliminate the bullets & that way people can keep their guns, without hassle. GoodDay (talk) 18:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If they had implemented that back in 1963, Oswald couldn't have been made a patsy and there would be no magic bullet. I suppose Oswald could have shot Kennedy with a water pistol containing poisoned water or else lobbed a grenade at the motorcade. Oh, there's a song title for ya GoodDay. You and Titch, get to work on it. How's this for a start?: Grenade at the motorcade/Marxist Ex-Marine, from a a window unseen/tosses a grenade at the motorcade/On that day, history was made/Plans were carefully laid, to kill the most powerful man in the land with a grenade at the motorcade. The lyrics need to be coupled with a fast-driving punk beat. Go on guys get to work on the song. I've started it now you two finish it!--jeanne (talk) 08:42, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's like this, Lee; 'better you then me. GoodDay (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Lee, hee hee hee! Oui Oui Lee. Better you than me Oh Lee, hee hee hee Can't you see, the real shooters will get off scot free, sorry Lee, better you than me--jeanne (talk) 15:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Luv it. GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay... Corsican. One thing that fascinates me is how different North America would have been if France won in 1759 (it's called the Seven Year's War, here by the way). Because, arguably, America's road to 1776 would have gone much differently, as some of the taxes raised were to defray cost for that war (and which were more unpalatable once the French threat was gone) and, indeed, the rights won by the French in Quebec which, among other things, recognized the Catholic fact, were one of the rallying cries for Independence.
 * You really know a lot about early American history. What fascinates me is the fact that many countries' national heroes were not ethnically of the respective nations. Apart from Napoleon being a Corsican and yet a French national hero, we have Catherine The Great (German not Russian), Cleopatra (Greek not Egyptian), Sissi (Elizabeth of Bavaria was German not Austrian), Wellington (Irish born), Eamonn De Valera (US- born with Spanish-Cuban father). Even people associated with a nation's history such as Mary, Queen of Scots was in actuality only 1/64th Scottish. She was mainly French. Many people don't realise that.--jeanne (talk) 07:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying to change the subject here from Guns to ones' genealogy (LoL), but most Americans like myself have German, English, Irish and Dutch ancestry, and with my father's side in northern France under periods of different rulers: I may have Prussian, Austrian, Spaniard, Italian and Scandinavian (Danish Viking) ancestry in my own genes somewhere. My Father's maternal grandmother was Flemish from a village that was historically part of Flanders, the Netherlands and the Belgian provinces, not far from Calais and Dunkerque (Dunkirk) where the majority language was West Flemish (similar to Dutch) until the early 20th century. I'm somewhat curious about if I have Jewish or Romani (Gypsy), possibly African (as in "black") American, and somewhat Asiatic or Siberian ancestry deep down in my own DNA, since a large percentage of French people's genes came from Southern Europe or North Africa; and from my North American Indian ancestors who arrived through the Bering strait Ice-shelf connected Asia with the Americas (Alaska and the Aleutian islands) around 20 to 50,000 years ago. + 71.102.36.5 (talk) 11:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Political tunes
I've alwasy liked the Cleveland songs, too. GoodDay (talk) 15:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Terrorist attacks in Bombay

 * I strongly condemn the terrorist attacks which are still occurring in Bombay as I write this. I offer my deepest condolences to the families of the dead and injured.--jeanne (talk) 13:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Ottawa drama
Finally, some political drama in the capital of Canada. GoodDay (talk) 15:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Say what?--jeanne (talk) 08:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that would make for an interesiting American anthem. As for Ottawa? the Liberals & NDP & BQ are prepared to defeat the Conservative minority government. Afterwards, the Liberals & NDP are prepared to form a Coalition government, which will be supported by the BQ (a seperatisst party). The proposed Prime Minister (Stephane Dion), will already be a lame duck, as he's due to resign as Liberal party leader in May 2009. For further info, see the CBC new website & the 40th Canadian Parliament. -- GoodDay (talk) 19:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Mad monarchs
Hi Jeanne. You may already know of it, but I found this website www.madmonarchs.nl that may come in useful for some of your articles. Titch Tucker (talk) 08:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Titch. And Filippo Maria was described as TIMID? Perhaps timidity manifested itself differently in the 15th century?!LOL. Anyway, thanks again for your help.--jeanne (talk) 09:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Blimp
The Blimp comments at my talk-page was hilarious. GoodDay (talk) 20:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. GoodDay (talk) 18:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I never realised before but blimps look like suppositories.--jeanne (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Those are big suppositories. GoodDay (talk) 19:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Never used them, definately won't now! "shudder" Titch Tucker (talk) 03:13, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember that line spoken by McKenzie Phillips in the film from the 1970s (I forget the name) in which she starred with Sally Kellerman: Beat it, blimp to the guy in the car who was trying to pick her up.--jeanne (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Typical. Women are allowed to be choosey & men are not. If a gal doesn't like a guy (who likes her), no fuss. But, if a guy doesn't like a gal (who likes him), he's labeled a j-rk. GoodDay (talk) 16:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess all the men I've ever known have been jerks.... sigh........Never did get the chance to say Beat it, blimp to a guy.--jeanne (talk) 17:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The name of the film in which McKenzie uses the line, Beat it, blimp, is Rafferty and the Gold Dust Twins. It was a really funny film. Have you ever seen it, GoodDay?--jeanne (talk) 07:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. Mckenzie Phillips, I have seen though. She starred on the TV sitcom One day at a time. Also, she's a Papa's girl. GoodDay (talk) 17:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * She was also in American Graffiti. Remember the sulky girl who rode around with Paul Le Mat.--jeanne (talk) 17:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Bianca
Ciao! As for Caterina's image, I would add it only if finding an image of Bianca Riario first... even myself was deceived and thought it was Bianca's image for long! Thanks and good work. --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 13:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ciao, thank you for the compliment. You're right about the image of Caterina. People might presume it's Bianca. If I can find an image of Bianca, I'll add Caterina as well. Grazie per il suo aiuto.--jeanne (talk) 14:53, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Foreign language refs
Hi Jeanne, I got a message from Rockpocket to say that English language refs are preferred but not required. WP:NONENG Titch Tucker (talk) 22:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I came across this page. I don't know if you need it, but these are wikipedians who volunteer to translate Italian into English. Titch Tucker (talk) 17:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

NowCommons: Image:Fashion 1979.jpg
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Computer problems

 * I am experiencing a problem with my computer, so shall not be editing at Wikipedia for a short period of time. --jeanne (talk) 10:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * Ho ho ho, thanks & a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you Jeanne.PS- happy to see your computer has been repaired. GoodDay (talk) 19:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was completely hosed. My son had downloaded a bad programme that totally blocked Internet. I had to have my computer re-formatted. As I said, it was hosed. I was really pissed off as I had an article I needed to edit.--jeanne (talk) 19:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the ending of your Holidays template. GoodDay (talk) 20:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Christmas Greetings, Jeanne. Hope you have a good Christmas too. xxx. Millbanks (talk) 09:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Titch is taking a Wiki-break for the Holidays. He'll return in January 2009. GoodDay (talk) 15:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Nay! Titch would never say that to a pretty gal. GoodDay (talk) 16:25, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 16:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just nobody go skiing in Whistler, British Columbia, it can be dangerous. GoodDay (talk) 16:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Have a Merry Christmas yourself, all the best. — Realist  2  16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I visited British Columbia in 1972. Vancouver and Victoria Island. Scenery was magnificent, but Vancouver seemed a bit dull to a Los Angeles girl such as myself.--jeanne (talk) 16:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Jumpers, I've only left PEI thrice in my lifetime. The largest city I've ever seen in memory, is Moncton, New Brunswick. I've been to Toronto, Ontario when 2-yrs, so I can't remember that trip. GoodDay (talk) 17:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Whaaaaat? Where in 'ell is Moncton, New Brunswick? Never heard of it.--jeanne (talk) 17:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's around. GoodDay (talk) 17:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I believe you, but where is it, GD? What's the night life like? And the club scene? It's probably verrry cold and I would have to wear snow boots, gloves, a hat, plus a heavy wool coat over my sexy little black dress? Hmmmmm--jeanne (talk) 17:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not certain of the social scene, as I was there for only 2-hrs. But it is cold & as for the black dress; grrrrrr. The Moncton article may give ya some more info. GoodDay (talk) 17:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * PS: It's in eastern Canada, not far from Montreal. -- GoodDay (talk) 17:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That sexy black dress might not be advisable in a place with a name like Moncton. It sounds like a huge seminary to me. Have all the men there taken vows of celibacy?--jeanne (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I suspect it's a wild place. Now, if it were named Monkton, hmmm. GoodDay (talk) 17:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course it's a wild place with all those monks, priests and seminarians. Ever hear of this pious gentleman of the cloth?--jeanne (talk) 19:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, he truly was a Holy? Father. I wonder if he's got living descendants. GoodDay (talk) 23:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, ME!!!!!!Ha ha ha ha ha--jeanne (talk) 05:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, through his daughter Lucrezia Borgia, he does have lots of descendants. One of those happens to be Brooke Shields. The famous US Civil War general Pierre G.T. Beauregard was another. Many noble Italian and French families descend from Lucrezia.--jeanne (talk) 07:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In his time, Pope Alexander VI truly loved his female people. GoodDay (talk) 14:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Keith Richards

 * Today is Keith Richards' 65th birthday. Happy Birthday, Keith!--jeanne (talk) 05:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 65 & counting. ...tell me a story 'bout, how you adore me.... GoodDay (talk) 17:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's also Jean Pronovost's birthday & woul've been the Georgia Beach's birthday. GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * and live in the shadow, hate in the shadow, love in the shadow...Great song, especially Keith's backup vocals.--jeanne (talk) 13:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Or I need a love to keep me happy and Hey babe, what's in your eyes, I saw them flashing like airplane lights--jeanne (talk) 13:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, the Stones are cool. Sure wish Bill Wyman would come back, he's 72 & still performing. GoodDay (talk) 17:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Bill actually looks much younger than the other Stones. You should read his autobiography Stone Alone. It's really good and describes his life in South London during the war- air raids, bombs falling in his neighbourhood, etc..--jeanne (talk) 08:44, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wowsers, with such & nerve racking entry into the world, he sure turned out a really laid back base player. He sure could play'er in 19th nervous breakdown. GoodDay (talk) 16:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He was great on Shattered as well.--jeanne (talk) 16:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Taddea Visconti
Ciao! Like with Bianca Riario, I have a bit edited your good article for Taddea Visconti. There were just some wikication stuff (such as bulleting rules, categories, not using birth/death dates of people already having articles in Wikipedia), but I also removed some stuff which would be better suited in other articles. I also reduced the adjectives used for Bernabò Visconti, as most sources (especially not recent Italian ones) are probably copying each from an other since old times, when he received "bad advertisement" as an enemy of the Catholic church. If you use the "show differences" instrument in the "History" page of the article you can watch all the changes I made. Ciao and good work! --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 10:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ciao! Thanks for your gentle words. The only suggestion I can give you after I read your articles (see my recent edits at Lucrezia Landriani), is not to "divagare" by putting in them much stuff about children, relatives, successors etc of the entry's titular, which usually have separate articles in which you can add details about their life. By the way, you are very happy to live near Etna! I live in Turin since last May, which lately is boring me with its dull climate. Ciao and good work from... --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 10:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't take this the wrong way...
But Why do you describe your self in the third person perspective in the caption below the photos of you?Celtic Muffin&amp;Co. (talk) 17:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know really, just an old habit of mine. And I didn't take it the wrong way. Cheers.--jeanne (talk) 08:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

1960s in fashions
I read your extensive articles on old fashions and was amazed at the pixs you have included. Some of these I don't recall ever seeing before. Pix of "girl" in 1936 was so pretty! I found the one of me with bellbottoms ("typical teenager"). I sent the link to big sis and she found some more pixs I hadn't discovered. She was amazed with the amount of work you did on these articles and was quite impressed! She forwarded it to little sis, who also has been checking it out.

--DASTEV (talk) 22:36, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello, glad you liked the photos. Thank God, my computer is back in action. Had to have the whole thing reformatted.--jeanne (talk) 08:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad you got the message, as this is the first time I've used this. That was a bummer you had to reformat. Normally, a good virus scan will remove them. Bet your son got in big trouble! I will write you later abt show I saw on History channel about the LA/Venice Underground! It surprised me and I'm sure it will you too.

--DASTEV (talk) 22:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, his punishment was that we were without internet for ten days. Ah, Venice. I can still see it in my mind-when it was tacky, run-down and full of hippies and freaks. The rich celebs hadn't yet discovered it. Did I ever tell you I once saw Jim Morrison cycling by me on Pacific Avenue? I was about 8 or 9 at the time.--jeanne (talk) 06:00, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Tony my cat

 * Can anyone guess who I named my cat after?--jeanne (talk) 19:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Xmas
And a happy new year!
 * Like wise! See my edits to your message to me--DASTEV (talk) 01:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Boom Boom's cuz
Wowsers, that's cool. Jumpers, I had tears in my eyes when his #5 was retired by the Habs (as he died earlier that very day). GoodDay (talk) 16:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This is how I came to be related to Bernard, through this lady here: Adrienne Du Vivier. Adrienne was my great-great-great- great-grandmother (on my mother's side).--jeanne (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In Louisiana the name Geoffrion was spelled Joffrion.--jeanne (talk) 16:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ya lucky duck. GoodDay (talk) 17:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops I made a mistake in counting the generations which separate me and this intrepid French pioneer. Adrienne was my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother.I wonder if you and I are related GoodDay? On my French side, I'm not only distantly related to Bernard but also to Celine Dion, Gen.Pierre G.T. Beauregard, and- are you ready for this-Lee Harvey Oswald!!!!!His mother was half French. Now wouldn't ya just love to come to my family reunion? You'd get a singer, a hockey player, a Confederate war hero, and last but not least, an alleged presidential assassin--jeanne (talk) 17:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, the only person with a Wiki article that I'm related to, is Germain Doucet. -- GoodDay (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * From which of his kids are you descended?--jeanne (talk) 17:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Pierre Doucet. GoodDay (talk) 17:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * How much French ancestry do you have at this stage? I'm only 1/8th.--jeanne (talk) 17:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I added a bit of info on the Germain Doucet article.--jeanne (talk) 18:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The buttons
The curly buttons are next to the P button. Sorry, didn't know how to phrase this, without it being funny. GoodDay (talk) 17:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * To the right I see é è and [. How do I hit the curly button?--jeanne (talk) 18:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have any diacritics on my keyboard. I've an hp keyboard. GoodDay (talk) 18:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jeanne. If you ask the question at Reference desk/Computing you should receive an answer pretty sharpish. Titch Tucker (talk) 20:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Titch, I just asked them. Hopefully I'll find out now. I cannot put up warning templates to vandals unless I discover where to find the curlies-LOL--jeanne (talk) 07:42, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I see you got your answer. The world of the curly buttons is all yours now. Vandals beware! Titch Tucker (talk) 13:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I still cannot put a French ancestry userbox on my userpage. I cannot get the hang of it.--jeanne (talk) 13:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
Thank you for the holidays greetings. Hope you have a great Christmas. Maybe in 2009 I'll be able to spend as much time editing articles as I do arguing about them. Joegoodfriend (talk) 04:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

My cat is being ignored

 * GD, Titch haven't you guys got anything to say about my big bad gold cat Tony, whose image is on this page? Sob sob, poor thing is being ignored. sniff sniff.--jeanne (talk) 09:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I used to have a ginger cat, did it's own thing. If you don't feed your dog it will still hang around because it's so faithful and stupid. Don't feed your cat and you won't see it for dust. Titch Tucker (talk) 13:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No Tony loves me to death. He gets jealous when I open a book.--jeanne (talk) 13:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There was once an old woman in Glasgow who had dozens of cats roaming about her house. She passed away in her house and her cats scoffed her for lunch. Next time you see Tony looking at you, think about my little story. ;) Titch Tucker (talk) 13:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * But I thought you loved me, Tony. Tony? Tony?--jeanne (talk) 14:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer canines to felines. GoodDay (talk) 19:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Jeanne, to cut and paste hold down the left mouse button and drag it over the threads you want to archive (the text will turn blue). Release the button and press the right button then click on cut, remembering to save your edit. Go into your archive box, press the right mouse button and click paste then save your edit. If you restrict your page's to 100k you have enough there for 2 archive pages. I think I've explained that properly. Hope you and your family are having a good Christmas. Titch Tucker (talk) 12:16, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My mouse is broken. I have to do everything manually.--jeanne (talk) 15:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ya need a Archiving Bot. That's what I use, as archiving manually was too much effort, for me. GoodDay (talk) 00:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * How do I obtain an archiving bot?--jeanne (talk) 11:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You choose one from Category:Wikipedia archive bots and follow the instructions on the bot's user page. Rockpock  e  t  07:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Lineage from the Filles du roi
I was going to add this to the discussion on King's Daughters, but article discussion pages should be on the merits of the article itself; this is more a discussion of personal genealogy.

Being just less than 1/8 Québecois myself, I have seven ancestors among the filles du roi, and my count is not unusual; most of French Candian descent can claim a much higher number than that. For the record, my ancestors (or ancestresses, I never know for sure): Marguerite LePruvier; Anne Girard; Jeanne Burel; Marie-Louise Frost; Marguerite Jasselin; Anne Rivière; Catherine Senécal; and Catherine Clérice.

I added a new section to the [Daughters of the King for "Notable descendants" and moved M. Geoffrion to it. If we can find more, this is where they would go.

BTW, if you go to the article on Marin Boucher, there is an external link to a page on Celine Dione, Madonna, and others, though each of those two ladies have a GEDCOM file to download, should you keep your genalogy on computer and wish to see what links might exist between you and them (I'm a ninth cousin to each). -- Couillaud (talk) 16:44, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I have read the Boucher article. My Quebec ancestry diverges to Louisiana when my ancestor, who was a great-grandson of this lady Adrienne Du Vivier migrated to Louisiana circa 1750 and married a woman whose parents were both born in France. As I said, I'm only 1/8th French.--jeanne (talk) 10:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, then we still are distantly related, as I also descend from Augustin Hébert and Adrienne Du Vivier (though I was unaware until now that she had her own article here) through their son Leger. It has been said many times that the French Canadians are a very shallow gene pool.


 * My genealogy page: http://home.swbell.net/rockpf/genealogy/    --Couillaud (talk) 14:24, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh hello cousin. I have read your genealogy page. Wow, what a pedigree. Yes, you and I are distantly related. That's true about French-Canadians being a shallow gene pool. When I was younger, I had a friend from Montréal. Everyone thought we were sisters as we looked so much alike apart from her blue eyes (mine are a very dark green). You are related to Celine Dion and Madonna. Are they descendants of Adrienne Du Vivier as well?--jeanne (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as has been shown, the two chanteuses have no descent from Mme. DuVivier, but the GEDCOMs I found for each of them was fairly limited, basically created to show their relation to each other through Marin Boucher. Someday I'll do some research of my own to find how many times over I am related to the two, and perhaps whether or not to the others on the same list (HRC  and I both descend from Gaspard Boucher, and Angelina Jolie, Madonna, and I all descend from Zacharie Cloutier AND Marin Boucher).
 * IIRC, Madonna was not ashamed in any way of her Québecois ancestry, but I think that calling herself "Italian" (especially with her last name) sounded sexier, and it's possible she wasn't fully aware of her mother's heritage (her mother having died when she was five).
 * As far as anti-French prejudice in this country, yes, it has always existed: when I was a kid, we always used to make fun of the French because they thought Jerry Lewis films were high art, and DeGaulle was always an easy target, but the most recent anti-French crusade came in 2003 when they refused to support the invasion of Iraq. Remember, some people wanted to change "French Fries" to "Freedom Fries" (yuck!).  You'd think that prejudice would fade once it was apparent that we were wrong, but some people still can't let go of things.  Just my opinion, but I've never seen any other explanation. --  Couillaud (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I wonder about the ancestry of two other Canadian singers, namely Avril Lavigne and Alanis Morrissette. I never knew Hillary Clinton had Quebecois ancestry, although I was aware that Angelina Jolie did. Isn't she also part Iroquois? As for anti-French feeling in the US, I'm sure it's roots go back much farther than 2003. I remember there was strong anti-French sentiment following the Libyan bombing of 1986 when France refused it's airspace for the US planes--jeanne (talk) 16:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC).


 * 1/8th French? French-Canadian? Acadian? or other French? Since my own father is French with a large Dutch-Flemish base due to his hometown St. Omer, Nord/Pas de Calais is 40 some miles from Belgium, the French Republic is made up of many small ethnic groups and enclaves with their own languages fought to preserve them for over two centuries. For example: Alsace (under German rule many times), Brittany (has a Celtic language), Corsica (an island settled by Italic peoples), Languedoc (the language of "Oc", their version of "yes"), Midi-Pyrennes/Aquitaine (the historic Occitania region), Provence (Provencals), Perpignan (Catalonia), Savoy (Savoyards) and Vasconde (Basque country). The historic French ethnic borders don't follow that of the politically established ones in Walloonia or the southern half of Belgium, Luxembourg, Saarland in Germany, Helvetia in western Switzerland, Aosta valley in northwest Italy, the kingdom of Monaco, the principality of Andorra and parts of Aragon in northern Spain are considered French speaking areas outside France. Of course, the French overseas colonies left a minor legacy in Africa, Asia, the Pacific and Caribbean islands, but for Canada (formerly New France), the French majority province of Quebec managed to hold on to its' ethnolinguistic identity under the British-Canadian government for so long does amaze many predominantly English-speaking (North) Americans. + 71.102.36.5 (talk) 11:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My mother's grandmother was from Louisiana. Her ancestors for the most part immigrated directly to Louisiana from Northern France in the 1700s, but one of her ancestors was a French-Canadian; in fact he was the great-grandson of this lady here: Adrienne Du Vivier, who was my 8th great-grandmother.--jeanne (talk) 15:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Venite Adòremus Dominum

 * Merry Christmas EVERYONE!!!Now the kids want to open their gifts. bye bye--jeanne (talk) 06:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)