User talk:Jecherub

November 2020
Hello, I'm Kerry Raymond. I noticed that you recently removed content from Riverview, Queensland without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Kerry (talk) 10:56, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kerry. I'm Jungeun. Thank you for your message but I still want to remove that part as I thought the sentence I deleted was too negative about Riverview.

Our family has been living in Riverview for about 8 years so far. It's nice, quite and beautiful place.

There are a lot of retired people live in here. It could cause the high rate. Also I found out none of other Ipswich suburbs have the unemployment rate in the explanation on Wikipedia.

I thought adding the rate was not necessary.

We love Riverview a lot. All our neighbours are lovely.

We don't want people think that unemployment lazy hopelesses are everywhere here as it is not true.

If you agree with me can you please edit it again? Jecherub (talk) 05:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, Jercherub! Wikipedia is subject to the Neutral Point of View policy. What this means is that we don't express an opinion. We provide facts and people are free to make up their own minds. So when it comes to a suburb, we neither seek to praise it nor to put it down. Personally I did not add this information about the unemployment rate to the Riverview article, but equally it is correctly reported from the 2016 census and apropriately cited, so there isn't an obvious justification to remove it. A quick look shows unusual levels of unemployment is reported in other Ipswich suburb articles e.g Dinmore, Queensland and Leichhardt, Queensland. It's not a statistic present in all suburb articles, but then if a suburb has a "normal" level of unemployment, it's not exactly an interesting statistic to report. If you look at the census data, you will see the population is 3,037 people, but the employment data (and hence the unemployment percentage) is based only on the "989 people who reported being in the labour force in the week before Census night". The retired people (along with school-aged children) would be in the 2,000 people who were not in the labour force and therefore not in the unemployment data. It would appear (unless the residents of Riverview lied on the census) that the figure quoted was indeed the unemployment rate in 2016 (of course it may have changed since then). But back to my comment about not expressing an opinion, the Wikipedia article makes no comment about unemployed people being lazy and hopeless; it is how you chose to interpret that statistic (i.e. it's your opinion). Another people might see that same statement about the unemployment data as saying here is not enough work available in the area and that it is sad that so many people of Riverview are seeking work but unable to find it. The census makes no comment as to the reasons for the unemployment either. You say that Riverview is a nice place. Why don't you add factual content to the Wikipedia article that demonstrates this. While you can't write "it's a nice place, we have nice neighbours" (that's opinion), you can write about its parks and other amenities (you can find its parks here for citation purposes, the community groups such Rotary, Girl Guides, sporting clubs that meet there, etc. You could add some more photos showing a street of houses, a park, etc. A quick look at Google maps suggests there are parks, sportsfields, and a Romanian Orthodox church (not every suburb has one of them, does it have some interesting history?)! The article has the basic facts about the schools but most school websites have annual reports and that often contain interesting information about (say) a special music program at their school, or whatever. Kerry (talk) 04:57, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please let me know if you need advice on how to add content or photos etc. For copyright reasons, you generally need to go out and take your own photos of things. If you want to get my attention, write your message here with the following as part of it as this notifies me you are wanting to talk to me. Kerry (talk) 05:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)