User talk:Jeeny/Achive 1

Hi
Thanks for the smile. I also hope you are well. The Behnam 14:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

final 3
The final 3 will be Zach, Danielle, and Dick won't it. Seth71 17:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup. I don't like any of them. Who do you want to win? - Jeeny Talk 03:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Westwood, Ohio
Hi, no I only helped with a technical isse of formattting at that page. How are you? Long time no talk. Are you feeling better about the project? --Kevin Murray 15:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Mission Hill edits
Jeeny,

I noticed after I had added some info to the history section of the Mission Hill article that you had made some substaintial edits. I changed it back (which, after thinking about it, may not be very polite), but only with the goal of understanding why your edits were made. Let me explain. I made the edits to the History section to put it into a sort of timeline and not jump all over the place. Then I added some new information about streets I've uncovered in my research. Can you explain why you removed these additions/edits? Thanks!

- Steven —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.181.27 (talk) 04:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, saw your message on the IP page. Am adding anything citable (sp?) now. However, what about the rearranging? Is that okay? It made much better sense to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snathaniel (talk • contribs) 04:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

zach
I'd like to see zach win. Wonder if dick knows that the jury hates him more than zach. I think zach would beat dick in final 3. Seth71 20:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Out of the three, I too would like to see Zach win. The Donatos are miserable baby brats. - Jeeny Talk 20:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Zach won round 1 of final hoh in case you didn't know.Seth71 20:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I did peak at Joker's just to see. Hope he wins the next one too. - Jeeny Talk 21:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

LGBT
Hi, I simply reverted your removal of the LGBT tag at Pederasty, as we get hit all the time with all kinds of random attacks, but then I noticed that you edited likewise at Pederasty in the renaissance. The manifestations discussed in those articles largely involve adolescent youths and young men. If they were crimes at the time it is because all same-sex relations were, and people who did engage in these relations construed them as the desire of an older male for an adolescent. It has nothing to do with the criminal behavior of today in which adults make sexual use of children, often violently. And as you will see, the people involved in these relationships are the very same who are being claimed as the forefathers of the lgbt movement (such as Leonardo, Michelangelo, etc). I will post this at Talk:Pederasty in the Renaissance, kindly answer there. Haiduc 02:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand, but to add that banner to include adults having sex with children as OK is not a good message to send. The LGBT community has it tough as it is. This makes others think of the whole lot as a perversion. Which it is not. But the line should be drawn with adults having sex with children is OK. History, yes. But don't add the project to include NAMBLA, pederasty or pedophilia. It sends the LGBT community back in time to when it was a "sin" and crime. Adults having sex with children is a crime. - Jeeny Talk 02:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Treating it based upon "criminality" is not only muddled by the location under discussion, but also by time. Consider - if we are to remove the tag based upon the criminality of the act/way under discussion, then we will have to remove it from many articles, as many LGBT 'ways' are illegal in some countries - to quote you on pedophilia/pederasty, they consider the whole lot "perversion."  As for time, I believe Haiduc's explanation to be sufficient.  One crime yesterday, not today.  Another crime today, perhaps not tomorrow.


 * Hence, we shouldn't treat the tagging based upon our personal POVs of "perversion" or non-worldwide (and POV) notions of "criminality," but rather the tag should be applied based upon the nature of the act. Pederasty is a same-sex sexual relationship, and so it is part of LGBT.


 * On a more speculative note (meaning I don't feel like digging up discussion about it from the internet), it may also be a goal of some parts of the LGBT community to legalize pederasty, arguing that 'consent makes it OK'. Perhaps their case will include something like, "It has nothing to do with the criminal behavior of today in which adults make sexual use of children, often violently," to use a fitting example readily available to me on this page.  Let them fly their flag at their front until they are defeated.  The Behnam 03:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess it's that "I don't like it". Anything to do with messing with adolescences, especially children by adults-- whether male, female, homosexual, heterosexual-- is wrong in my book. I don't like the fact that they are using the homosexuality of two consenting adults, both of age of consent to be the same as an adult having sex with a child. Such as NAMBLA is trying to do. Will men who have sex with pre-pubescent girls be next? Will that be accepted one day too? Where does one draw the line? Ahh. Well, I draw the line at children. Two adults can do as they please. Do not mess with children in adult ways. :/ Children experimenting with one another is different and normal. Also a statement made by the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) "adopted a "Position Statement Regarding NAMBLA" saying GLAAD "deplores the North American Man Boy Love Association's (NAMBLA) goals, which include advocacy for sex between adult men and boys and the removal of legal protections for children. These goals constitute a form of child abuse and are repugnant to GLAAD." Also in 1994 the Board of Directors of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF) adopted a resolution on NAMBLA that said: "NGLTF condemns all abuse of minors, both sexual and any other kind, perpetrated by adults. Accordingly, NGLTF condemns the organizational goals of NAMBLA and any other such organization." BTW, Hi Behnam. :) - Jeeny Talk 03:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Jeeny! I completely agree with you about drawing the line, personally. As far as the banner, I think that the fact that you've found an example of discussion relating pederasty to the modern LGBT movement is itself a point in support for keeping the LGBT tag, as within their own community they are debating the legitimacy of pederasty.  Hah, the debate sort of reminds of theology, which is strange, though they lack an equivalent to the Bible (might make moral judgments more difficult/arbitrary).  So, to set out some rough criteria for the tagging, we have (1)relation between LGBT movement and the 'act' as seen from reliable sources, and (2)the nature of the 'act' as related to LGBT itself (related to L,G,B, or T by RS).


 * Anyway, if someone else hasn't already done it, you may need to go back to some articles and reconsider your removal of the banner. Regards,  The Behnam 04:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Let them put it back, I'm not. Pfft. I agree with your theology analogy, and hate that if it looks as I'm participating in that way. I commented on the Project page. We'll see. I personally know gay people who deplore this. I know that's not RS. I've been fighting enough, now to get in on this subject may be going a little too far. HAH! lol. :) Children and animals cannot give consent, even if they happen to like it, dammit! LOL. - Jeeny Talk 04:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, "Pfft." Another lasting treasure given to us by those white nationalists, right? Also, I wasn't referring to you with the "theology" but rather to the debate within the LGBT itself - it seems like they are attempting to formulate "orthodox" LGBT-ism and refute heretical doctrines :-p.  BTW I've sent you an email as well.  Cheers,  The Behnam 04:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, yes about the Pfft. It's so funny. I did get your email, and there was a bunch I wanted to say and got sidetracked. You helped prove to me that older is not always wiser. ;) I'll answer tomorrow, as it's bedtime for me. You take care. :) - Jeeny Talk 04:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am glad that tempers have simmered down. And I do want to point out a common fallacy in the comments above: pederasty IS legal in most countries, but it is regulated in that teenagers are subject to an age of consent, and they are protected from having people in authority over them exercise that power to sexual advantage. But other than that, a sixteen year old in many American states and European countries can enter into a relationship with a man in his twenties or thirties, say, and it is perfectly legal. Whether it is also ethical I think depends on the individual situation. There was once an editor here, a teenager, who related to me he was in such a relationship, legal in all respects, and was being pressed by his adult lover to consent to anal sex. He refused, and found out later that his "lover" was HIV poz. Anyway, I think I am overstepping the bounds of what we are supposed to be doing here. Regards, Haiduc 13:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeeny, your reply above seems to indicate that you are editing Wikipedia based on politics and ideology, rather than on a basis of facts. Surely you can see the inherent danger to the project of editing in that way. It is a matter of complete indifference to me what people think if they see the LGBT tag on any number of articles. Having the tag on an article does not mean that the LGBT community at large, or even the LGBT community on Wikipedia endorses the content or ideas espoused in an article. It simply means that the article--for whatever the reason--falls within the scope of our project. I note that you are not a member of our project, so would ask that you not remove our tags without first seeing if we are agreeable to that action. Cheers, Jeffpw 06:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Of interest to you
I've warned Jeffpw for his attacks upon you. He promptly removed the warning as "trash", which IMO does not show good faith.

Hopefully the message got across anyway (despite the attitude), and we won't see any further conduct violations from this user. Just giving you a heads up. Regards, The Behnam 14:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Behnam, I am under no obligation here to either assume good faith or show it. As an experienced user, I would think you would know that AGF is not a core policy, but merely a guideline (and one which I consider asinine).

Further, I quite clearly stated that I found Jeeny´s edits in removing so many project tags to be borderline vandalism. I know of no policy which requires me to bend over backwards to someone I think is violating policies regarding either vandalism or WP:Point. It seems to me that a bit more clear headed thinking and a bit less knee jerk reacting on both your parts is what is called for. Have a nice day and happy editing! Jeffpw 14:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been blocked before for comments considered personal attacks so it is policy, part of AGF. I was reported by a self proclaimed racist, for ironically and correctly calling him a racist. Anyway, you are correct, it may have been a "knee jerk" reaction but I call it being bold. It was not my attempt at vandalism at all, nor was it in bad faith. In fact, I don't agree with the NPA policy because there are nincompoops, idiots, and bigots in this community. I don't mind being called names, for which I know are not true, especially. lol. All's well on my end. Also just because I don't belong to a project does not mean I'm not allowed to edit pages belonging to a so-called project. But, I will stop removing the project tags. nincompoop 18:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments, Jeeny. I realize now I over-reacted in my comments. It's just that we have had many people (obvious vandals) either add tags (to Pedophile, for instance) or remove them out of malice. I'm also under a great deal of stress at the moment, with my partner in the hospital fighting AIDS related lymphoma. This has obviously had a detrimental impact on my editing style. I don't offer that as an excuse, but rather as an explanation for my out of character behavior towards you. Please accept my apology. Jeffpw 06:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and I'm very sorry for what you are going through with your partner. :( I'm sorry, and will send good vibes your and his way. I understand how it can affect one's behavior/comments and do very much relate. I understand about the vandals also. I accept your apology, and I offer one to you. I'm sorry for my knee jerk reactions. Please take care of yourself and your partner. Best wishes. - Jeeny Talk 06:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Quick question
Hi Jeeny,

I don't consider myself to be so much of a newbie to Wikipedia, but on the same token there are quite a few areas I am fairly unfamilar with in this strange, fresh territory. I did notice that you seem like an intelligent person that doesn't take life too seriously, so I was hoping you might be able to offer your assistance. I'm currently debating with someone whom I feel is only continuing to do so just for the sake of the fight; it's my intent to end this quickly and move on. Would you be able to direct me to a good moderator who is likely capable of observing both sides and thus bringing the debate to a quick resolution? Please let me know, if you have the time.

Thanks. --ArmsHeldOut 23:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi there, thank you... but....ummm...I have the same problem and have yet to figure out a way. Perhaps WP:RfC? I do sympathize with you. I find it ironic, not about you, but that you come to me for advice about such things, as I am considered emotional and not very good at suppressing my feelings about certain issues, and editors. :( Or, maybe you should ask User:The Behnam, as he is very knowledgable re: policy and is good at remaining cool when the situation gets heated. He's helped me many times. Good luck! :) - Jeeny Talk 01:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Nothing wrong with conveying a little emotion once in a while I think. It shows that you actually care how any particular subject matter you edit is perceived, which is admirable, to me at least. I can't say that I've gone through dozens of user profiles, but a good few of the ones I've come across so far don't paint such nice people portraits. Personally, I don't think there is a need for arrogance, name calling (gotta love the nerdy terminology people come up with these days), indifference or denial (when it's clear you're dead wrong). You seem to lack all of the above characteristics, are competent in what you try to do and seem to maintain a good sense of humor. Coming to you for help was a no-brainer really. Does that make any sense? BTW, I'll look into the reference you made pertaining to RfC. Thanks again. --ArmsHeldOut 03:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Awww, you are welcome. I'm sorry I couldn't help you more. I so hope you find what you need to help your situation. Thank you again. I'm glad you appreciate humor, I think it is helpful, but some don't like it, as if this is a corporation where one gets paid and you have to dress up. This is my hobby, where I wear T-shirts and jeans, and hobbies should be fun! LOL. :) Although, even hobbies can be frustrating at times. I already have paid employment (with many rules as I work for the state, yikes.) in that I have to keep up appearances, and convey a certain demeaner of professionalism. I've also finished schooling. :) But that doesn't mean that I know everything, of course. I meant that I'm not in school and shouldn't have to report to the principal or dean. Learning is for life. I enjoy it!- Jeeny Talk 04:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I think even in a large corporation, you have to relax and find the humor in things. Never forget the time I came into work wearing a pair of shorts one summer in 2002. My direct manager didn't know what to make of me. He thought I was gonna go postal or something like [a character] Michael Douglas [portayed] in .. some film I can't recall at this very moment (sorry). =) And don't get me started on the wonderful "merits" of outsourcing.  Such a nice feeling when you're dealing with people in the workplace from overseas who have absolutely no clue whatsoever as to what the heck you're talking about or anything about the whole infrastructure of your company in general.  Seriously, you've gotta laugh at the "good times".  lol Makes the day go by that much quicker. On a side note, I hate to break this to you, but ... your old principal  .. actually runs Wikipedia from the inside out.  In January, all registered users have to report to him on a weekly basis for assignment and evaluation.  Just a heads up.  lol --ArmsHeldOut 06:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, I work for a small corporation, but it is overseen by the state. We laugh all the time, we have to, to stay sane. And I sometimes am able to work my humor with the clients. Most appreciate it. :) I know the film your speaking of with Micheal Douglas, I think it's called Falling Down. Right? Anyway, I laugh every day, mostly at myself. :) LOL. Hey, whachu takin' bout, Willis? Where is this information that we have to report in January? Whaaa! Say it's not true. - Jeeny Talk 06:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

If I say it's not true you won't hear me anyhow. =)~ Don't feel bad. I'm sure your old principal wasn't as bad as the one I had to contend with as a youngin.  Picture a very stern Nun draped in dark navy blue with no hair, which she concealed by wearing a horrible tighly curled, greyish-blonde wig.  Pretty isn't it?  So sexy. And yeah .. that was it!  Good find.  I'll see if I can have your routine visits with the principal reduced to once every other week. --ArmsHeldOut 06:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, thanks. But can you reduce it to once a year? - Jeeny Talk 08:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

My sincere apologies
I would normally never delete content from a user page .... though I hope you will understand why I thought you might want that down sooner rather than later ...... LonelyBeacon 08:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No don't apologize. I appreciate it. He's a lost soul. It's sad really. - Jeeny Talk 08:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

EmperorVelocicaptor
I live in Pittsburgh. I am old (60+). I have used other user names. I have made at least 5,000 entries in Wikipedia. I am never "angry" anymore, because old people do not become angry. I infuriated someone by placing an image of Adolf Hitler on THE talk page of Velocicaptor. Someone placed a permanent block on poor old Velocicaptor so I became EmperorVelocicaptor. Thank goodness that I was able to continue as EmperorVelocicaptor. I had created Portec Rail Products, Inc. and was taking photographs associated with that article. I first tuned in to Wikipedia in 2004. One of my earliest transmissions to Wikipedia was on the article Gag rule. Also One-drop rule. I avoid the political articles because editors change them enormously. When I placed the word mulatto into African American, I thought that it might evoke a response from someone. I am a Navy veteran who served aboard the USS Hissem (DE-400) and the USS Forrestal (CV-59) between 1959 and 1966. EmperorVelocicaptor 10:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Blockade of Africa is probably the first page that I started. I have started others, though, mostly biographies.  I have used IP addresses to begin articles, but that practice has been stopped and cannot be employed, now.  TOODLE-OOH!EmperorVelocicaptor 15:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks and
Thanks for the e-hug. All hugs welcome, except from students;-) Had a wikiwar last week with an unpleasant person, but he appears to have finally disappeared. Bellagio99 13:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * More e-hugs to you. I'm glad your nemesis has disappeared, hopefully for good. :) I have a few I'd wish you'd help disappear.... but I digress. ;p Happy Jeeny's Day! lol ((hug)) - Jeeny Talk 00:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Happy Jeeny's Day!
Thank you. Jeeny 00:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Dick
If you really agree with the comment you put on that talk page, you can vote to delete. I imagine that I am going to take a lot of heat for nominating that page. I cant wait! LOL - Rjd0060 01:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What a load of crap. LOL. See you there. :) - Jeeny Talk 01:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! - Rjd0060 01:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You are crackin' me up! - Rjd0060 01:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm a nincompoop. LOL. Glad to make you laugh. It's good therapy. ;P - Jeeny Talk 01:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I have made a few replies on some peoples comments on the AfD page. You might want to check it out. - Rjd0060 15:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I cant believe it
Daniele Donato. Jeez o petes. I already AfD'd it. But tell me, does that page look familiar at all? How about the fact it is an EXACT COPY of her bio on the BB8 page. If you care to reply, please do it on my page. - Rjd0060 15:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats fine. I actually started to redirect it myself, but then I thought that if I just AfD'd it, and it was deleted, then recreated, then I could just Speedy it.  But thats find.  If your redirect gets removed, then we will go from there.  Thanks.  - Rjd0060 20:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Officially Speechless
Big Brother 8 (US)/America's Player. Already AfD'd it. Now, I really didnt think that I could be bold and redirect this. Am I wrong? Please reply on my page. - Rjd0060 02:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Im not asking you to do anything. Just telling you that that page is out there! - Rjd0060 02:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow.
Looks like you have been busy! (I am talking about all the AfD stuff). I was thinking though, do you think it would have been better to just wait for the AfD discussions to be closed? I am sure that the pages would have been deleted if the admin is smart at all. I say this because I think if the pages are recreated, then it would be easier to get rid of them. You know, because if a page gets an AfD discussion, and is deleted, but somebody recreates the page, then it usually qualifies for Speedy Deletion. Just a thought. What do you think? - Rjd0060 15:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't qualify for speedy if there's a new reason for the article's existence. Wryspy 07:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Dick
I had a feeling somebody would try to bring that page back. Thanks for taking care of it so quickly. - Rjd0060 02:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Dick Donato
Will not revert.... started to, then reconsidered. Juppiter 02:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. - Jeeny Talk 02:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it's incorrect to remove content before the current AfD is done. You have to let people see what they're discussing. And how can there be an AfD when there's no AfD notice on the article? That is grounds for speedy close. Wryspy 07:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Changing Articles for deletion/Common outcomes just because it contradicted your side of an argument is not a good idea. Wryspy 09:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC) Your remark about its original addition without consensus is a good one, but it still comes across as a conflict of interest when you didn't fix that until it was convenient for you. And "Spelling bee winners: Winners of well known national spelling bees (like Scripps or CanSpell) are notable." has been in that article for a long time. Big Brother winners are more famous than national spelling bee winners. Wryspy 09:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wrong, spelling bees are NATIONAL. There's a difference. US Big Brother is not national. This is an encyclopedia. Not a fan site. - Jeeny Talk 09:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * People from the entire nation tried out for Big Brother. That's no less national than those spelling bees. The final spelling bee takes place in a single location with far less national coverage. Wryspy 09:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This is silly. We both need to leave it along entirely and let an admin rule on that mess of an AfD. Good night. Wryspy 09:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree it is VERY silly. See the archives on the guidelines. There was no mention of reality TV winners. One person added it a couple of weeks ago, went un-noticed. That does not mean it's a guideline, especialy when added with no consenses. Wiki is where anyONE can edit a page, as this person obviously did. It was not convenient for me, as I noticed it was sneaky to add that to a guideline. I looked it up first. sigh. This place is a joke if it has more Pokeman, Xbox games and Reality Tv winners begin to outnumber real educational subjects. Also spelling bees are on merit, not by scouting out bartenders and wannabe models/actors. Good night to you too. :) I should have been long asleep by now. lol - Jeeny Talk 09:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
I just wanted to say thanks for helping with the whole Dick Donato thing. That was just one of the things that really bugged me for some reason. Mission accomplished! - Rjd0060 22:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Or is it? I just noticed this.  Not sure if you knew already. WP:DRV.  Do you know a lot about these DRV's?  Like what are the chances that we will have to do the whole discussion again? - Rjd0060 22:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh crap. Sigh. It's my fault. Sorry. I know nothing about DRVs. I guess I'll learn though. Oh well. I guess we will have to do it over again. But now we have more experience. lol I don't know if I have the energy. Anyway. Survivor begins tonight. Whoo hoo!- Jeeny Talk 22:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've never been much of a survivor fan. Dont worry about the DRV though.  It happens to the best of us?  lol  Hopefully it sticks and doesnt come back.  Go and endorse the deletion! (...for the sake of NPOV, dont endorse if you dont want to) lol.  Thanks. - Rjd0060 23:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Survivor/Big Brother winner notability
If the Dick Donato article gets restored, whichever of you relist it for AfD would probably be more effective if you tackle the issue rather than the individual article. I recommend listing all non-notable Big Brother and Survivor winners as a single AfD. You should save yourselves a lot of trouble in the long run by dealing with them all at once instead of one at a time. You'd also establish a more clearcut precedent than a single article's deletion could achieve. That precedent can be used to make subsequent related AfDs go much more smoothly. Travislangley 00:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I agree that all should be included. I just don't know how to do that...... yet. - Jeeny Talk 00:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You can find the information at Articles_for_deletion. Take your time and make sure you feel comfortable with the procedure. After what happened with the previous AfD, people will probably be looking for any sign that this wasn't done carefully. You can manage this. Just don't rush it. You'll be fine. Travislangley 01:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

BB AD
What to do about this? Talk:Big Brother: After Dark. He deleted and I restored, then he deleted again. I am not going to restore it again. What do you think? Agree/Disagree? - Rjd0060 19:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree to restore it without reliable sources added, just like any other content on Wikipedia. That's part of my problem with the reality show contestants having their own pages as not really being notable for an encyclopedia. Also a play-by-play of a TV series that will be most likely forgotten after the show ends is not, IMO, encyclopedic, unless, of course, if they could be backed up with reliable sources. Maybe reading these policies may help you decide. See: Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, also When you wonder what to do. Hope that helps. You are doing a great job BTW. :) - Jeeny Talk 20:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I definitely understand your point but I don't think it should have been done without a consensus, since that information is there by consensus.  I really agree with Ramsquire when "it" (don't know if its he or she LOL) said: "I also agree with Tony, but consensus is evidenced by a) the discussion between the editors on this page and b) the fact that the article went unchanged in basic format for over three months. Nonetheless consensus can change, and in no way does it mean that the previous consensus was right. My only point in bringing up the consensus, is to give a heads up that his edits may be reverted (which they were) and to not edit war if it happened. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 20:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)".  I will just let it go now since you have convinced me lol.  - Rjd0060 21:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Then revert but gain consensus first. Although, by your above quote it seems that consensus was already achieved? IDK. I haven't been watching that page, nor the discussion so I can't really add my view, as I don't have one. lol :) What do you mean I convinced you? About what? ;p  - Jeeny Talk 21:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You convinced me=I meant I am sure you are right, so I will do what you would do, and that's just leave it. As far as consensus already, I am referring to Talk:Big Brother: After Dark.  It was suggested that they be removed and a bunch of people wanted to keep them.  Honestly, I don't care if they get deleted or not, but there was no discussion (actually there was and the result of that discussion was to keep them) and Mr. Gung Ho editor decided to swoop in and delete everything under the identity of "being bold".  That annoyed me.  Maybe I am wrong. - Rjd0060 21:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL @ "Mr. Gung Ho". I've seen his ID before, but can't remember anything. LOL. I think he may be an admin, but that doesn't mean crap. He's a regular editor just like you or me. You're not wrong, especially if Mr Gung Ho was not involved with the discussion or the article. Oh weeeell, I've done the same thing before...kinda. LOL Anyway, go with your gut. Be BOLD, you can't get blocked for that. But, you can get blocked for editwarring, and 3RR. - Jeeny Talk 21:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd rather not get blocked. I'm just going to let it go.  - Rjd0060 22:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I noticed (just skimming through his Talk Archive) that there have been some problems with his behavior including at least one block due to violating some Arbitration Committee ruling. Just a troublemaker I guess. - Rjd0060 23:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bugging you
You are smart though. I just received this mysterious message, and am not quite sure what do do with it. Do you have any idea? User talk:Rjd0060. Weird. - Rjd0060 01:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * lol a smart ass, I am. Well, to be serious, I would ignore it. If you have no idea what it's about, then it is not important. Especailly from an anonymous IP that says s/he had an account before. I've recieved weird messages too, I just delete them if I have no idea what it's about. - Jeeny Talk 02:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually think people just go leave random messages just to see what happens. What a shame I had to bug you just for that.  I don't deserve to edit wikipedia.  lol  TY - Rjd0060 02:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, stop it, buck up. You deserve to edit wikipedia very much so. And, you have not bugged me one bit. :) - Jeeny Talk 02:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was kidding. I do deserve to edit wikipedia, and I like to think that Wikipedia wouldnt be the same without me LOL..  I can be Mr. Gung Ho part 2.  OK.  Just tagged a bunch of pages for CSD, and now waiting for the complaints to come to my user page.  Ahhh, this is fun! - Rjd0060 02:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, there you go, gung ho!! :) - Jeeny Talk 02:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Block
I have blocked you for the personal attack (spoiler tag nazis) and the misleading edit summary (copyediting) you used on The Crying Game. Phil Sandifer 14:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 72 hours? For a snarky edit summary?????? That's way out of line, Phil, even for an admin as arbitrary as you. Jeffpw 16:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

How is that considered preventative? If you looked at the previous civility block it was against a self proclamed racist who now has a community ban from Jimbo himself! Also isn't the block pretty excessive? - Jeeny Talk 20:01, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I fail to see how the edit summary was misleading since is explicitly mentioned the spoilers in question(assuming this is the edit referred to ). Regardless, if a block was warranted it should have been placed by an admin not involved in the content dispute. Admins should not have an extra advantage in a content dispute. (( 1 == 2 ) ? ((' Stop ') : (' Go ')) 06:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I love you
Here's some massive wiki love  at you Jeeny...:) <omg. Someone on this page made some sort of comment about Wikipeida being a better place just because Jeeny is here, I want to agree with that comment. We are the Jeeny (somewhat intoxicated, but we'd still love her anyway) appreciation society and we will, not be silenced!!!!! Start the revolution and displace the fascist oppressor admins!!!! Yey the revolution has begun, first the wiki admins, next the federal government!! Woo ho. Oh no I forgot I'm just commie scum 23:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * LMAO @ <omg. :) I'm quiting this frikken place....again. Oh, BTW, I LOVE YOU TOO! zOMG! Let's have a party here. There's nothing on tv, I'm housebound and bored. :( nincompoop 23:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't quit please.... just rail at the injustice and come back stronger 'cos that's what we decent people do. We love you 'cos we need you, but we need you 'cos we love you.... you keep us straight. email me of you need to, I'm available through the normal wiki procedure....please don't go!!! Alun 23:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was being melodramatically sarcastic and wobbling in self-pity. I'm not going anywhere. Stop begging, it's melodramatic, and unbecoming for us revolutionaries. LOL. poor, poor Jeeny an emotional basketcase nincompoop hypocrite 23:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're from Massachusetts, how come you have a repug gov? As a foreigner I thought you were a dem state, how did your state get Mit Romne+ Now he is a repug candidate for prex...how did that happen in your state? I'm a foreigner, but I'm into Barac Obama, but Hilary is fab as well. All the repugs are awful.I'm so wishing for a dem congrss and prez in 2008.... dreamin' dreamin'.... love Edwards also.....BTW hate Blair.....blah blah....did yu ever get to listen to the Kojo podcastn about Melungians at all? The book was \Kinfolks: Falling Off the Family Tree - The Search for My Melungeon Ancestors.....bit inebriated....sorry if i'm incoherent.......pfft what about the Gena six? Land of the free.....'slong as you're "white" middle class..... whitey'll be first agaist the wlll when the revolution comes pfft. c scum BSc, MSc. 00:18, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * zOMG, you're drunk! Anway, I no longer live in the great state of Mass., I live in Ohio now. But Boston is my home dammit, and I'll forever be a Bostonian!! It's because I no longer live in Boston that it's full of repugs. Obama for Prez! I'm going on a booze run. BRB, lol. - Jeeny Talk 00:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

NO!
I hope you change your mind about leaving. I need your help LOL. Well, don't really need anything but wanted you to see this ordeal I'm in the middle of. If by chance you pop on, see User Talk:Rjd0060 and the replies on his page and the article in question. I'm not sure what happened with ya, but hopefully you do come back. - Rjd0060 23:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * When giving out notices it is best to start with number 1 what ever article and if they continue, escalate to the next number. But....use good sense. Also you are correct that the "hangon" tag does not apply to AfDs, I think, anyway. So just direct them to the AfD page, BUT...do it politely so you don't end up like me. Hope that helps. Jeeny 23:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it wouldn't have mattered too much that I didn't start with 1 because he ended up doing it 2 more times. I see what you are saying though.  To bad, maybe he should go to WikiThearpy "bekwasue da bwullies wont stop botderin him".   Poor baby.  - Rjd0060 00:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It does matter. lol. Even if he is a baby. See again WP:NOT, but first read this WP:OUTLET. Also, I'm old and set in my ways. Punishment only makes me angrier and frustrated (re: my block by an admin that was involved in a content dispute used his powers to punish me like a bad student for saying a dirty word...and for 3 frikken days! talk about bullies. Heck I'm smarter then a 5th grader, and don't need to be punished.) I have a personality that he nor anyone can change. Jeeny 00:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah yeah...You are probably right again! But I know you know how it is..Some issues that really get you going and annoyed.  I  saw that 72 hour block.  Thats outrageous.  Some Most of the sysops are just power tripping people with big heads.  Oh, now do you think I will get blocked?   - Rjd0060 00:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeezes, you better not get blocked for saying that. That would prove Wikipedia really is fascist. See commie scum's rant above in the "I love you" section. LOL. Jeeny 00:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that. Well, we all know wikipedia is a better place because you are here. LOL.  Thats why you are not allowed to quit. - Rjd0060 00:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I've been busy ...
... so I haven't followed what you have been up to/what's happened to you. Now, I know you have every right to be steaming, but it is kind of funny that you got blocked for using the phrase "spoiler tag nazis" in an edit summary. Really. This incident should always be prominent in Wikipedia history. You deserve a purple heart.

I hope you don't leave - I hope you can just recalibrate and edit strategically. You know, I never thought of people from bean-town as quitters, I mean, you lived with the bambino's curse for so long (of course I am a Yankee's fan, but really, aside from people in Boston, who isn't?). I hope this makes you want to stay ;) Slrubenstein  |  Talk 11:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OMG, he extended my block. I did not try to use another account. WTH?? Jeeny 14:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Honeybunch, he did not extend your block, and it should be lifted by now...the 72 hours expired about 20 minutes ago, by my book. Jeffpw 14:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeff sweety :), he did extend it. When I clicked to try to edit my user page the other day, I notice the pink box saying I was blocked. Then I click on a couple of links and looked (I forget how I did that) and saw that he blocked my IP on the 24th. So now I get a blue screen when trying to edit, with the text I added below. I wish I could find that list to link to. Crap. Jeeny 14:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It isn't a real extension. The autoblocks are always supposed to be undone with the main block ends.  Unfortunately that isn't the case here, but this isn't the way it is supposed to work...  The Behnam 14:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I found the link of IP thingies. Count up 6 from the bottom. Look at the date? Why did he do that? Jeeny 14:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It did it automatically in his name because you clicked a red link or clicked "edit." The autoblock is applied if it thinks that you are trying to edit.  So, I'm guessing that your attempt to edit your user page triggered this.  The Behnam 14:55, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I've gotta go now, but the autoblock has finally been lifted, which is good. I must say, this is one of the worst cases of block abuse and editor mistreatment I've seen here, and I wish I had reacted to it earlier, as I think a simple ANI post could have had you unblocked during the 1st day. Alas, now there will be another illegitimate entry in your block log that will be used to justify even longer blocks. However, it may still be worthwhile to bring this to ANI. If the block is deemed illegitimate, an admin can apply a 1 second block to leave a note in the log that declares the previous block illegitimate. This may be an option worth considering. Take care, The Behnam 14:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Now my computer is acting up. I quit. I am not going through AN/I because it's a bunch of bull and too much work. I have real work to do. Thank anyway. Jeeny 15:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

To be (a Wiki editor) or Not to be (a Wiki editor)
That is the question! User page says taking a break and talk page says you have left. I personally am rooting for the User page and hope you come back (and soon). If you have not really left, well I have some news for you......ITS BAAAAAACKKKK! I am talking about Articles for deletion/Dick Donato (2nd nomination). - Rjd0060 02:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ratsnfratanbats. I'm bi-polar right now lol. I saw it..drats. I'm protesting, kinda, but having a hard time keeping away. lol. I'm going to sleep on this. I'm watching a wonderful program called "The War" on PBS. It's about WWII. As if you care. lol. I think we should take the advice, I can't recall the ID, but it's on my talk page somewhere up there ^^ with a link on how to nominating them all at once. I have not read about though. Maybe that might be the way to go? Jeeny 02:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should nominate all of them? As in every single winner ever?  If so, I will do it.  But since I am not the one who made the first nomination, I cannot add to that nomination.  I can create a new nomination with the rest of them.  I know how to do that.  Just did today...er....or maybe yesterday.  All the days kinda blend in.  So, my question to you is, Should I nominate all of the articles for the winners from seasons 1-7? - Rjd0060 03:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The admin relisted Dick Donato's article. One of you ought to charge in and proceed with checking how to list all of the non-notable winners as one group AfD to make sure this really gets dealt with, quickly before the Donato thing grows much. An admin would then close the relisted Dick Donato AfD because of it being part of a group under more appropriate discussion elsewhere. Travislangley 03:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you Travis. I think that's a good idea, especially since Rjd said he knows how to do it. Every single winner should be listed. Why should they be notable for being on a reality show? (Gosh this program is very interesting. Never before footage. I'm trying to see if I can see my Dad.) I'll respond more tommorrow when my mind is not in another place (WWII) right now. So, when I stop pouting about being a Wikipedian, I support you, Rjd0060. :) Travis, will you help too? What are you're thoughts on this? TIA Jeeny 03:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I would have offered those thoughts Jeeny asked for, but it looks like it's in motion now. So let's see where it goes. Travislangley 06:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

All set! Articles for deletion/Eddie McGee - Rjd0060 03:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice if you would put your input on both of those AFD's. My lonely "delete" is well....lonely. - Rjd0060 18:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Be calm
The same exact thing has happened to me before. No, it doesn't seem fair, but what can you do? At the end of the day, it is only for 24 hours; please wait it out and be calm.. I have my eyes on you.. :) Taharqa 07:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk page
Hey, I do have a talk page. You can post your compliments there at any time :) a.z. 06:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

African American culture
I was hesitant to sign the article improvement page. Unfortunately, given the nature of Wikipedia, I've found that the less attention an article treating black subject matter receives from the general editing population, the better it may proceed. But done. Thanks for looking me up, and I appreciate your comment. Bless. :) deeceevoice 06:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Oh, I understand. I was just reading your user page, about some of the ignorant messages you recieved from idiots on Wikipedia. I too have had swastikas and other repulsive crap added to my talk page. I also have been blocked before because these sneaky ignorants had the gall to report me, and no one did any investigation. He and others are blocked indef for now... yet now I have a record. Oh well. Sadly, I know they'll be back. I have a love hate relation with this friggen place. There are a ton of them here. :( I feel obligated to stay because of this. Jeeny (talk) 06:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm feelin' ya, Jeeny. But I don't -- on both counts. Mine is a hate-hate relationship, and I don't feel obligated in any way to this hell hole. ;p deeceevoice 06:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * lol. I love you! Jeeny (talk) 06:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Middle Passage
Hi- I'm not quite sure why there was an edit referenced to my IP on Middle Passage. I know I didn't edit it. Could it have been anything due to this computer having a dynamic IP address?

By the way, I do have a Wikipedia user account, please respond to this there, if you see it fit.

Thanks! 68.220.225.136 22:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Your thoughts on me
Hi. The comment by yours saying that "I believe A.Z. is trying very hard to POV in this area" and "A.Z.'s edits are only to these types of articles" is, first of all, in the wrong place. You should have told me about your concerns on my talk page, and you should have tried to explain them, so I would be able to address them, and we would be able to have a healthy conversation about them, so we could perhaps understand each other better.

I don't edit only these types of articles. It would be of no relevance if I did only edit these types of articles. Furthermore, I clearly do not edit only these types of articles, which makes me wonder where from you got that idea. I would like you to explain that to me, and to explain what I did that made you think that I'm trying very hard to POV in any area. I want to help building an encyclopedia with verifiable information on topics covered by reliable sources, and I wish not to fool our readers and not to use various means to manipulate them into thinking that something is true when it isn't. Any mistakes by me in this area are just that, mistakes which I would be happy to learn that I'm making, so I could try to stop making. A.Z. 03:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * See this Jeeny (talk) 03:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I saw it. A.Z. 04:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This may be more acurate; List of minority-opinion scientific theories. Jeeny (talk) 04:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see your point, Jeeny. A.Z. 04:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well to get to the real point, I believe that you may be conducting an experiment. Wikipedia is not a place for that, nor this. Jeeny (talk) 04:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Jeeny, as I said above, I wish to get to the real point. You are not helping. I don't know what is the purpose of any of your three links. Why not write a post explaining what is this experiment that I am conducting? A.Z. 05:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. It's because I'm overwhelmed at the moment, and really need to go to bed. I should have not posted at all until I was ready to answer your question in detail. Sorry. I'll try again when I have more time. Jeeny (talk) 05:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That's OK. Good night. A.Z. 05:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: HI
HI.. You have been awful quiet lately, too. Everything is good. Got a barnstar the other day, for vandal reverts. Thats what I do most of the time. I like to add opinions to AfD's too. Had a couple wierd comments on my page yesterday. Check out User talk:Rjd0060. - Rjd0060 16:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the revert there. It probably isn't smart of these people to vandalize my page, especially since they are vandalizing a barnstar that I received for reverting vandalism.  Maybe thats ironic?  Anyways, I reported him to AIV.  He already had an "only warning" from me because he got away with some stuff without being warned. - Rjd0060 23:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * yw. That's what happens when you mess with fools. lol. You deserve the barnstar! :) Jeeny (talk) 23:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. There is another guy (User talk:Rjd0060) who wants to know when I am going to go through RfA.  - Rjd0060 23:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have read through that, but honestly, I am in no hurry to become an admin.  Whenever it happens, If it happens.  Only time will tell. - Rjd0060 23:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You have email! - Rjd0060 01:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD that may interest you
Have you seen Articles for deletion/List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity? - Rjd0060 22:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I just got an edit conflict 3x! I'll take it as a sign not to sign. :/ I did have that on my watch list a while ago, but took it off. That's what lead on to bigger and more controvercial race topics. I know people were just adding silly words, and not backing them up with sources. sigh. Jeeny (talk) 23:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There are already articles called List of ethnic slurs, List of ethnic group names used as insults, List of regional nicknames, List of religious slurs, so I don't know why we need this one which is listed by ethnicity. Seems pointless to me.  - Rjd0060 23:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. It's over kill, and more trouble than benefit. IMO. I'll try later. Thanks. Jeeny (talk) 23:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)