User talk:Jeeny/Archive 7

So unfair
I'm really angry now. I just don't think that anyone is listening to what I'm saying and it makes me so angry when things are unfair. I mean is it just me or is it really the case that every time anyone tries to submit some polite and well documented criticism it gets shut down? Both of the threads on dbm and deecee were just archived and no-one has answered my concerns. Am I overreacting? This really pisses me off! What on earth is going on? I'm furious because I think I'm being ignored!-- futurebird (talk) 17:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No you are not overreacting. I understand why you feel that way. I'm angry too. Very angry...and because I'm so angry I think I have to step back, it takes me away from contributing to the "encyclopedia". I understand how you feel very well. I don't have an answer for you though. I'm too pessimistic right now about this "project" and see a lot of what is "wrong", and little of what is "right". I've become very disillusioned. I think this place is going in the wrong direction. The policy makers, and especially many of the enforcers need to be replaced. I don't know. It's like a little country that is destined to fall because of no checks and balances. It's more like a fascist regime, than anything else. It is very difficult to detach my emotions when under such dictatorship. Therefore I can not concentrate on the "encyclopedia" aspect of it, but the politics. There is a cabal, dear FB, and it is very frustrating and stifles productivity, reason and good will. :/ I don't know what to do or what else to say. ~Jeeny (talk) 19:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. I sent out a few little notes to express what I was seeing in all of this. I'll be surprised if I get a response. But, at least, I feel a little less crazy. Thanks. -- futurebird (talk) 21:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

...I don't think it is a cabal, more like just a lot of complacency and sticking to the same script over and over of who is good and who is bad and who needs to be banned and who can be excused. People just get stuck in a rut and they don't notice when things are changing. What really got to me was the fact that just because I supported some (not all) of deeceevoices edits I get lumped in to a group of people who are all called trolls. I'm not a troll, I don't think I deserve to be called one, it really ticks me off. -- futurebird (talk) 21:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes that is sad and unfair that you and others are labeled as such. I'm so sorry, and understand your frustration and anger. It is a huge part of the problem. That, and the double-standards create this type of atmosphere. Sadly, I know there is a cabal, in that, there are "secret" meeting places. They are on IRC, and other "off Wiki" places where only certain people are allowed to go, where one needs to be invited and given a password for access. I haven't been to those places, but I've actually been invited to one, but only for discussion of a despute in article space. It's very reasonable to conclude that there is such a place to discuss the community secretly. Also to confirm that there is one, I've received a private email telling me so (well, not that they actually call themselves the CABAL, lol but some do.), from an admin (that I didn't know, nor worked with before, nor since), who said if I repeat that there was some off wiki talk about a certain editor, s/he would deny ever saying it. Truth. ~Jeeny (talk) 21:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I for one, am on the same page as both of you and frankly it is sickening. The only thing you get in return for such honest reporting is snide rhetoric and blind cheer leading without any type of deep consideration. More of a shunning from the start. It would be far fetched to think that you're entitled to a line for line dialogue where all concerns are addressed accordingly, devoid of any bias. It is strategic imo and a method of control. To overcome such apparent unfair play is to remain persistent and extremely logical, while supporting each statement with well documented evidence and witnesses. After that, if you are still shunned then obviously, as alluded to, that reflects more on the flawed wiki systems and wikipedia's administrative body then yourself, since your intentions are good and you went through the necessary steps. As Jeeny said, and I concur, that I too am a bit pessimistic, though not at all ruffled anymore because the more such things are exposed, the more laughable (as opposed to threatening) it becomes.

And Thanx for the heads up Jeeny.Taharqa (talk) 03:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree. I will try to be a like a slow steemroller of calm rationality. Word. futurebird (talk) 03:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

RfC procedure
Hello, an RfC procedure has been opened regarding the behavior of User:Dbachmann, here:. Please feel free to contribute if you wish. Ramdrake (talk) 22:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Put on a happy face


has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. You got mail too. - Rjd0060 (talk) 23:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Taking another look, that looks like the Wal-Mart face, doesn't it? Rjd0060 (talk) 23:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, do you see it bouncing or winking?--Ramdrake (talk) 23:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LMAO! Thank you! Now you both have me smiling. :D ~Jeeny (talk) 00:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I laughed at Ramdrake there too. I guess that means it is working! - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, it worked! :) Ramdrake can be funny... after all he's really me...according to some people. :p ~Jeeny (talk) 00:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandal version
If you can convince me that this is vandalism instead of a content dispute, I would be happy to do so, and I will change the level of protection to semi instead of full. · jersyko   talk  00:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Jeeny, how about we discuss/debate edits rather than editors? --222.155.47.162 (talk) 00:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, right. Pretend all you want. I hope this admin is smart enough to see this BS of yours. ~Jeeny (talk) 00:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * FYI. · jersyko   talk  00:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :) ~Jeeny (talk) 00:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again
I don't think I can see what I'm typing anymore. Thanks for the correction. BTW, ironically did I ever tell you that French-speaking Quebecers have at times been referring to themselves as les nègres blancs d'Amérique? The thought just surfaced back sometime today. Food for thought. :) Well, good evening and take care!--Ramdrake (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Some "upper middle class" whites in Boston use the term "Canadians" for black people. I never understood the connection, or if it was just some silly racist "code". lol. Maybe that's where it came from? ~Jeeny (talk) 01:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * In the case you're relating that's also a euphemism. A lot of former American slaves escaped slavery by fleeing north to Canada and Boston was a bit of a waystation for getting into Canada. The expression I was referring to above is strictly used in Quebec by Quebecers (there's even a book by that name!), to the extent that I don't recall seeing this expression translated into English.--Ramdrake (talk) 01:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe it's the euphemism. I was half-joking about the connection. :0 I lived in Boston for a long time. I have memories of Canadian coins. We could use them in Boston with no problem, but when I moved to Ohio, stores refuse to accept them. Now that the US dollar is below the Canadian dollar I wonder why they still refuse the coins. ~Jeeny (talk) 01:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Ohioans haven't looked up the exchange rate in awhile???? :)--Ramdrake (talk) 01:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I told a clerk about the rates a few days ago. She was so upset that someone gave her some rolls of quarters with mostly Canadian ones, and that she has to open every one to separate them. I told her they were worth more than she thought! I don't think she appreciated it though. lol. ~Jeeny (talk) 01:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Notice
Please note Requests for comment/Raul654. You may or may not want to certify the basis for or endorse that dispute. I am contacting you due to your disapproval of Raul654's actions reported at WP:3RRV. ~ UBeR (talk) 06:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've spent the last few hours researching this and have commented on the talk page. I still have a couple of quick things to check on first though. I'm just an observer, and was not involved in the dispute, and since this is serious I want to make sure where of if I should sign. Although I most surely see bad practice I'm not sure now if that counts. ~Jeeny (talk) 07:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you do indeed see misuse of administrative power, as I do, you should not let it go unchecked. ~ UBeR (talk) 08:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeeny, look at it more closely. Look at the history of Obedium's talk page.  Obedium has been warned before for similar things.  That editor is trying to game the system.  Misleading edit summaries and introducing deliberate factual errors is a lethal combo, and it is vandalism.  Also note that this is a very tense article; not as tense as R&I because it receives more attention from the wider community but tense! Brusegadi (talk) 10:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

BB9
The big brother 9 page has been deleted. Are you watching the Ohio State vs. Michigan game. Seth71 (talk) 17:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw a commercial the other night promoting BB for people to fill out applications. I think this is a good sign that the "rumors" are true. So, the article will be back when it is officiallly announced. No I'm not watching the game. I'm only mostly interested in sports when the Red Sox are playing and winning. Although sometimes a football or tennis game might accidently catch my intrest and I may watch, with no prior interest in a team or player. ~Jeeny (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Ohio
You know you are more than likely the only person in ohio that didn't watch that game. Seth71 (talk) 18:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * lol, what else is new? I'm not a real Ohioian, I've just been visiting for a long time. Oh, BTW, my alma mater is UC, if I remember correctly they are rivals. :p - Jeeny (talk) 19:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Then why do you live in ohio then? Seth71 (talk) 20:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a long boring story. But, I am seriously considering moving back home. - Jeeny (talk) 21:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Back home to BWHASTON..lol - Rjd0060 (talk) 23:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's the Nooyawka's pronounciation. It's BAWSTIN. Like the vowel in bought (But only if you pronounce it with a Boston accent. Law/baw/caw...rhymms). lol. try out this test- Jeeny (talk) 00:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've sent you the e-male with the results, Rjd0060 (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
No time to get into it all. But just thanks. :) deeceevoice (talk) 00:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and I'm jealous you're going to NYC, even if it's not this weekend. Have a happy Thanksgiving whereever you celebrate it. :) - Jeeny (talk) 00:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The Holocaust failure to achieve good article status
Quoted from the talk page: ''4. Neutral point of view?: Though in general, the article is an exemplar of neutrality, I do see some obviously troubling spots. The first paragraph of Jewish resistance sounds like it's trying to defend Jews from accusations of apathy. This may just be a product of bad writing in an attempt to define what really constituted resistance, but it doesn't read neutrally. But in general, the article is really great at giving fair treatment to subjects covered. However, the other half of neutrality is giving space for the representation of all significant views. Sadly, the denial of the Holocaust is a significant view in terms of the amount of published news and source material devoted to it. Obviously, there is not enough space in this article to deal with all the quackery associated with this subject, but a small mention of the existence of deniers, and a simple link is necessary in order to represent all views and achieve good neutrality. ''Alatari (talk) 09:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The article's lead-in still fails to represent the controversy over the definition of the term itself Alatari (talk) 09:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see that. Plus it's difficult for me to take you seriously when you said because you were engaged to a Jewish woman you should not be accused of anti-Semitism. That sets off a red-flag in my opinion. Heck, Malcolm X dated many white woman. - Jeeny (talk) 10:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Too many people play the racism card and fail to acknowledge WP:FAITH on the Holocaust page. You don't know me, you don't know my skin colour, my religion or my ethnic group. Assuming I'm an anti-semite because I want the typical view of inclusion of Roma and Slavs in the lead-in is a failure of logic on your part.  It's called attacking the messenger not the message logical fallacy or "Ad-Hominem" fallacy of thought.  I told of my sitting at Seder to try and avoid exactly what you are about to do.  Dating is not the same as a 6 year committed relationship where she and I shared the same bed.  And BTW, Malcom X had red hair and freckles denoting his 'white' ethnic ancestry.  His early violent racial messages are blamed by many 'black' people on his white heritage. Alatari (talk) 10:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But that's exactly what you did. If you left your personal disclaimer/experience of once being engaged to a Jewish girl, which you said meant you were not anti-Semitic out of your argument, I wouldn't have thought twice about your objections. I don't know if you are or not anti-Semitic, and couldn't care less. Like I said, only THAT part triggered my red flag. You started it. lol. - Jeeny (talk) 23:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll remove that comment then if you think it's in poor taste. I was trying to avoid being called anti-Semite by Slrubenstein.  He jumps right into that if you review the talk page. Alatari (talk) 23:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you what want. Just remember WP:RS, NPOV, and especially WP:V. I'll share with you with you some of my personal feelings ... I have sympathy for the Palestinians, but that doesn't make me anti-Semitic. Although, some may think so. Though, I don't care what others think, because I know it in my heart. But, the Holocaust will always be, to me anyway, about the six-million Jews exterminated by the Nazis as their Final Solution. That's what the reliable sources say too. I know there were others, and believe they deserve some mention, which is in the article already. Again, it's not what you believe, nor I, to be true or not, but what the sources say. BTW, Slrubenstein is one of my favorite editors. I think he's smart as a whip, funny and just. I respect him very much, in fact I kinda love him. :p That is my opinion/feelings. - Jeeny (talk) 00:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If Merriam-Webster didn't state European Civilians mostly Jews I would probably tuck tail and give up but they aren't the only major source defining as non-Jews. Read upwards in the talk at DNA-Denis's sources and do some more searches.  I've spent hours reading definition after definition.  Enterprise is on.  Bye. Oh I took that quiz.  I'm a PostModernist 95% which puts me in the Relativist campAlatari (talk) 00:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, the dictionary is not a good place for gathering reliable sources. Just a thought, and opinion. Re: the test. I can take it tomorrow and have different results. It's a for-fun test only, something like horoscopes. ;) - Jeeny (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually ignoring the most popular reference material (i.e. dictionarys) is a severe violation of WP:NPOV. My results for the test never varied on the first choice. Alatari (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It may be a "popular reference" to look up a definintion of a "word". Scholarly sources are much more sound, because they go into much detail and have been reviewed in peer-reviewed journals. This is an encyclopedia, and the Holocaust is a very complex subject. Excluding a dictionary definition in no way violates NPOV. Look up the word "dictionary" in a dictionary, and then look up the word "encyclopedia". This may help you understand what I'm saying. - Jeeny (talk) 18:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Guess we'll see about that. Moved this to the talk page. Alatari (talk) 19:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Jeeny, your post above caught my eye. While 6 million Jews did die in the Holocaust (among them many in my family), 9 million in total were exterminated. The Holocaust has come to be the word which defines the entire Nazi attempt to dominate the world's culture. Roma homosexuals and others of different faiths were also mercilessly persecuted. To deny their inclusion as Holocaust victims is to actually dilute the power of the tragedy. Just my opinion and sorry for butting in. Jeffpw (talk) 15:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeff, I know that very well. I'm not saying they should not be included in the article, because they are included, the last I looked anyway. It's the sourcing is all I'm saying, and to avoid undue weight. Right now everyone wants a little piece, and I do understand, and they should have it. I don't know how to proceed in this article. Maybe I should leave it alone? Someone adds homosexuals, another dismisses that but adds another group, and so on. While I do agree that all should be covered, the Holocaust is best known as the execution of Jews, and others. - Jeeny (talk) 06:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

History of Africa
Hi, Jeeny ;) Long time no comment. Just wanted to drop by, say whassup and see if I could enlist ur help in the History of Africa page. Me and T are already busy at work. i've kinda run into a roadblock regarding periodizin African history. Holla back when u can. Also, need any JSTOR articles? ONE  Scott Free (talk) 18:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Scott! I'll take a look in a bit. I don't know if I have much to offer, but am interested in seeing the article. Thanks again, for the offer of JSTOR, I'll let you know if I need anything. - Jeeny (talk) 18:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Huh? Vandalism?
It looks more to me like he merely tried to expand the page. I don't know anything about that actor, so I can't say anything was inaccuartely added or not. My Talk page, please. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I get it. He didn't expand the article; he's the one who shrank it! Okay then. If you're replying to this, my talk page awaits. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 00:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

stressed out already
I've only been in this class at school for 2 days and I have to have a report in by next friday over thanksgiving break I have to read about 12 stories, and it only gets worse. The class is English 11. I just had to complain to someone so I guess lucky you. I also have a question. I remember that you used to have a couple of pictures of yourself on your user page and I just wanted to know if your last name is breedlove or if your realated to anyone with that last name because you look a lot like my conceptual physics teacher mrs. breedlove. Seth71 (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you ever read The Da Vinci Code Seth71 (talk) 19:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing racism?
You sure you got the right IP address? I think I know what racism is whithout checking wikipedia, nor would I have a need to add anything to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.251.171 (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Check out the "Diff" link I left on your IP page with the notice. It's the same IP. So someone from your IP number made that edit. If it wasn't you, then consider creating an account so as to avoid confusion in the future. - Jeeny (talk) 05:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, -- Rjd0060 (talk) 19:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Hope you have a good one. :) Always, - Jeeny (talk) 19:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

He beat me to it. Happy Thanksgiving Jeeny! I hope you have fun with whatever you decide to do today.Taharqa (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Bah! Humbug! Thanksgiving is just another occasion to talk turkey! Happy Thanksgiving! Anyway!--Ramdrake (talk) 22:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, Ramdrake you are a Canadian, so don't know what you're talking about. LOL. I don't like eating turkey that much. Thanksgiving should be only celebrated in Boston/Plymouth, and I ain't there no more. So yea, bah humbug! :( Also, why did Bush pardon only "white" ones? Is that a subtle hint? - Jeeny (talk) 22:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I never did understand that Presidential pardon of one turkey. It's kind of like a poultry version of Sophie's Choice, if you think about it. Perhaps Kucinich will institute a general turkey pardon if he manages to get elected. Jeffpw (talk) 22:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * lol. Me neither, only to eat one at dinner today. What a joke. But in all fairness I think he pardoned two this year, but they were white, Christan heterosexual ones. :/ - Jeeny (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Happy Thanksgiving! Hope ur enjoying this day with loved ones. I'm working my way to my first double bi-pass, lol. Take care and thnx for all ur work :)  Scott Free (talk) 02:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Happy Thanksgiving Jeeny! Glad to see you here on Wikipedia! How was Thanksgiving for you? Good for me :)  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  05:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey there! Thank you! It was great for me. I'm glad it was for you too. :) Big Brother will be back in February, huh? - Jeeny (talk) 05:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks, sweetie, for reverting that guy. Don't know what was up with that. I'm glad you were watching. Lots of love (both wiki and real). Jeffpw (talk) 19:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: John Roman Baker
Sorry. I'm on vandal patrol. It appeared to be spam/vandalism at first glance in my tool because the changes added "Gay", "Homosexual", and "Sweetshop" and an outside link in the same edit. --ZacBowlingtalk 19:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied on my talk page. :-) --ZacBowlingtalk 20:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks for your work. - Jeeny (talk) 20:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Da Vinci Code
First off you called it Bleedlove, her name is Breedlove. Secondly have you ever read The Da Vinci Code or seen the movie. The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You called that kid a f*ckhead!!!! HA HA HA HA I would have called him something else, but it's a little bad and I don't know what the situation is with him. F*ckhead just caught my eye. The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

That kid hayden's been blocked for sockpuppeting you know. The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You don't hate me and everything I stand for I hope and I hope you don't think I'm a f*ckhead.......Do you? The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry you had to see that. I know Hayden is "blocked" but that is him, and he keeps coming back. It's a long story. I don't normally call people that in real life, but rather than waste my time typing exactly what I think of him, would take too much effort, more than he deserves.


 * Anyway, no I have not read the Da Vinci Code, even though it's been on my list for a long time. Also, I do not think you are a f*ckhead at all, and especially do not hate you. :) You're stuffed huh? Good time? - Jeeny (talk) 19:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it was good. The Da Vinci Code book is good the movie ain't, it's on Ebert & Roepers worse movies of 2006 list. It's about the Priory of Sion the group that is supposed to be protecting the bloodline of Jesus. You have heard that people think Jesus had a child with a woman named Mary Magdalene right. The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 20:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know what it's about by reading the reviews. Especially that Mary Magdalene was Jesus' wife. Interesting. Is that one of the books you needed to read for your English class? What are the other "stories" you said you need to read for your class? - Jeeny (talk) 20:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

No I just know the story. We have to read out of this big book we call the Penguin cause it has a penguin at the bottom of it snd we're reading a book called Winesburg, Ohio and another book called A Call to Conscience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seth71 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh I see. The Penguin is the symbol of the publisher Penguin Books, or is it the Penguin Classics? Also, is the book "A Call to Conscience", about a collection of speeches by MLK? - Jeeny (talk) 23:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yup that's what they both are, but the penguin is a big orange book with the penguin on it. It says prentice hall and yes A Call To Conscience is about MLK The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 23:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Tell me if this is too sexual for an 18 year old. I think she looks like a f*ckin slut The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 23:32, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I think it is. But watch your language, young man! tsk tsk. :p ) PS: That is Hayden commenting to you on your user page. - Jeeny (talk) 00:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I've been editing her page and it's very unreliable. The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 23:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Who was eliminated from the amazing race. I decided to watch the american music awards instead. The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 23:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The married lesbian ministers. - Jeeny (talk) 00:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

This is the most hilarious picture ever and I hope you feel the same too. [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seth71 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!" (did you see that YouTube video?) Yeah, it's funny and sad at the same time. - Jeeny (talk) 00:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Really Hayden, your right he did come back. sorry for ther language that is just how I feel towards her she's. Hulk Hogan's daughter I hate just like I hate Britney paris eric and dick. The very stuffed Seth71 (talk) 01:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's ok. You're right. The more people who don't watch, buy the tabloids, or their shows, then maybe they'll all go away. I can only wish. :) Still stuffed, huh? - Jeeny (talk) 01:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Scumbucket
Hayden is moved to one "special" group home to another in NZ, that's why he comes back again and again. He's lonely. - Jeeny (talk) 02:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean I don't understand. Seth71 (talk) 02:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He's a "special" needs person. Sometimes he needs to spend his time in halfway houses because he is such a bad person. - Jeeny (talk) 02:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you know this. Seth71 (talk) 02:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just know. I even know what he looks like, and he isn't that bad looking either. It's a shame. What a waste of humanity. - Jeeny (talk) 02:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

You've met him in person. Is he old aged. That's what I feel like you're making him out to be. Why does he say sheila on my talk page is he calling me sheila or brooke hogan sheila. Seth71 (talk) 02:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No I haven't but seen his webpage. He isn't old aged. He's in his twenties. Sheila is slang for girl. - Jeeny (talk) 02:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Your question to Warlordjohncarter regaring his name
You may wish to look it up in Edgar Rice Burroughs' "Barsoom" series (A Princess of Mars, Warlrod of Mars, etc.). :)--Ramdrake (talk) 11:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - Jeeny (talk) 22:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Franz Boas
Can you check because i think it is Jabowery who has violated 3RR by reverting a fourth time in a 24 hr. period. If he complained, he knows about the 3RR rule and doesn't need a wrning. Note: he is a self-confessed Stormfront activist. Slrubenstein  |  Talk 12:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That note was on your user page, I just moved it to your talk page. I had a tough night with Hayden again. - Jeeny (talk) 22:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear about hayden. Yes, I saw you moved this guy's message, thanks; you would think he knows how to leav emessages .. I think he doen't care enough. Slrubenstein   |  Talk 22:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he may have been sneaky by putting it on your user page so you wouldn't get the yellow/orange bar. - Jeeny (talk) 22:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

RFC discussion of User:RodentofDeath
A request for comments has been filed concerning the conduct of. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Requests for comment/RodentofDeath. -- edg ☺ ☭ 15:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

VP Question
Do you only have the problem with the Wiki website? - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean the font style? I don't think so. I'm on IE right now. Let me open FF and check on other sites. BRB. - Jeeny (talk) 01:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. The reason I ask, is because you can change the Firefox "skin"...they call them "themes", and you can see them here.  Changing the theme could correct your problem. - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

(ec)Ok, yes it's FireFox and not just Wikipedia, and I have no idea how to change the font. I messed around with some buttons, but it seems I need to know CSS to change anything. :( OMG, I'm going blind again, and just adjusted my monitor too thinking it would help, but nope). I did try the skins, and don't like them either. I want to change the font to what IE uses. What font is this, Times? I think I want Ariel? Going to change to IE now. brb 01:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Might want to let them know on the VP that you don't require their assistance, and either I can try and help, or you can use the ref desk.. Anyhow, in firefox, change the font: click  Tools > Options > Content (it is a tab) > Fonts & Colors (adjust accordingly) . - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll do that. But I just found the font changer thingy and did change it, but it still looks the same. OOPS, Amazing Race is on. be back after. Thanks for helping! - Jeeny (talk) 01:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

African American neighborhoods
Can you take a look at this and give me some feedback? Thanks! futurebird (talk) 03:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, but where is Roxbury? Kidding. I'll help after I calm down. (at least I have feelings, which makes me human rather than a power hungry jerk) - Jeeny (talk) 04:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Only warning
Given your recent personal attacks as noted in your previous warning, and your incivility and trolling in your response on my arbitration questions pages, I'm going to give you a final warning about incivility and personal attacks. If you continue, you will be blocked without any further warning. I strongly recommend you take a break, relax, and step back from Wikipedia; it obviously evokes strong feelings in you, and an inability to control your actions, which is not welcome here. &rArr;  SWAT Jester    Son of the Defender  05:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OH no, this is wrong. If you are so sensitive perhaps you should take a break, relax and step down from Wikipedia. You don't know what "obviously evokes strong feelings" in me whatsoever! It's the hypocrisy, the huge egos, the power hungry, and abuse of power that does that. You just made my blood boil again. You are trolling, as you said you know what evokes strong feelings, I think you are trying to provoke me. And you have succeeded. Do not be condescending to me. How dare you...your ego is not welcome here. - Jeeny (talk) 05:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Honeybunch, I have been noticing your edit summaries, too. While I have no problem with you telling an indef blocked user to "fuck off" or calling him a moron, others obviously do. You're just back from a block which stressed not only you but those who care about you. Some fights are not worth it, even if you think you're right. Swatjester may be blunt, but he is just enforcing policy. Let's tone things down a bit, huh? With love from your wikifriend, Jeffpw (talk) 06:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeff, that's not it. I asked him questions on his ArbCom and he called me a troll. And I called him on it. Blunt? that is poor judgement. This fight is worth it because he is running for a trusted position, and called me a troll and condesended to me that I'm not fit. How else am I supposed to feel? - Jeeny (talk) 06:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a place for you to fight. Please listen to Jeffpw, and just calm down.  &rArr;   SWAT Jester    Son of the Defender  06:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not fighting with you. You can't seem to handle tough questions. Maybe you need to look inside and see what really motivates you. Please stay off my page. You just make it worse. Please do that, if you have any dignity. - Jeeny (talk) 06:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Why would you need to insinuate I have no dignity? These are exactly the kinds of incivil comments that are not welcome here. This is your last warning. &rArr;   SWAT Jester    Son of the Defender  06:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * SWATJester, how many times have you said "last warning"? Several.  It is hard to AGF on your edits if it appears you are still trying to provoke something. - Rjd0060 (talk) 06:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I said if you HAD any dignity, not that you didn't. And now what am I supposed to think, after I asked you to not post to me. Please back off, SWATjester. Not looking good for you to continue provoking me. Oh, and telling me to "calm down" is condesending and provoking. Both, are incivil, to me, anyway. - Jeeny (talk) 06:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not trying to provoke you, please do not accuse me of that. I'm simply warning you to stop the personal attacks and incivility, as evidenced in depth on the AN/I thread. If you are taking my neutral words as condescending and provoking, when I'm trying to offer you good advice, that is your problem, and signifies that you are overly emotionally invested in Wikipedia. I strongly suggest you take a break if you are getting this riled up. &rArr;  SWAT Jester    Son of the Defender  06:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, you've disrespected me. Do not warn me of anything that you are not guilty of yourself. Stop exaggerating, "in depth on the AN/I thread"? I don't agree. The depths have not been touched. You are using "evidence" that is flawed and from a known indef blocked troll who has been stalking me, and I think you know that, and the longer you go about, the more convinced I become. I'm not the one trying to gain more "power". Think of that. - Jeeny (talk) 07:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

This might help
Wikipedia is, at times, a stressful and chaotic place. Here, have a sip of tea, and take a moment to relax. . - Rjd0060 (talk) 06:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I don't drink coffee. lol. :) It's a drug, one I don't need right now. ;) - Jeeny (talk) 07:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It does look like coffee, but it is supposed to be tea. Thats what the commons said anyways.   - Rjd0060 (talk) 07:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. Thanks! I think tea has more caffeine than coffee though. Or, maybe it's green-tea without caffeine, and I just can't see the color because I adjusted my monitor earlier. lol. Thanks honey. - Jeeny (talk) 07:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

How can I help? I feel quite bad for you getting reprimanded, when it was me being the asshole. --222.155.46.142 (talk) 09:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Response is on your talk page...well on this one IP above. - Jeeny (talk) 10:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It's due to an sudden and unfounded desertion of belief systems and values. There's no continuity or consistency in anything anymore. The weight of much of the blame can be placed upon television and the media. Shows such as Californication and the channel MTV have alot to answer for. On a cultural note, there's never been a successful multiracial society in history. Ancient Egypt fell in the past, Europe had a holocaust and now the Middle East is in tatters. I really believe in keeping my Apples with Apples and Pears with Pears. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.56.109 (talk • contribs) 06:18, November 26, 2007

And there may be 4,000,000 people in NZ and 60,000,000 sheep, but that does not mean sexual relationships between the two are inevitable.
 * Oh shut up, you don't know what you're talking about. Well, I do agree with you in some areas. I don't watch MTV, never have, but I do watch TV but I am not an idiot, and do not believe everything I hear or see. The multiracial society you speak of continues to this day and was one of, and is, the most successful. It's the going back into little cubby holes that is the problem. Just like they did in ancient Egypt (that's why it failed). The Europeans greed and need to conquer and suppress "savages" towards those who did not think, believe or behave as they thought they should.... is the problem. It's the same thing all over again. History repeats itself, you know. Excuse me, I have a difficult time expressing what I mean in printed words on a computer. (my mind is much faster than my fingers) It is so easy to misinterpret things that way...no facial expressions, no body language, no tone of voice to help convey a message is frustrating...for me. Mixed fruit is tasty. Except I don't like those toxic fake cherries. PS, you're being an asshole again. - Jeeny (talk) 10:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You should have drank the tea.... - Rjd0060 (talk) 16:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Not an Administrator
I'm not a Wikipedia Administrator so am unable to change the titles to any of the articles - any Administrators here who can change the following titles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Plantard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Plantard

to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Plantard-de-Saint-Clair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Plantard-de-Saint-Clair

Can any Administrator here do this? Make me an Administrator and I will do this for myself without having to ask anybodyWfgh66 (talk) 13:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, perhaps you should post here or here. - Jeeny (talk) 13:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Try WP:RM. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Block (2)
(note being written, will be posted shortly) FT2 (Talk 15:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC) )
 * You do not know what you are doing. The policy states blocks are not punitive. Protect my usepage instead of extending a frikken block. Can't take critism? Stop me from posting to this page, dimwits. What is the matter with these "admins", they don't even understand "policy". How did the community elect them? - Jeeny (talk) 15:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Now written: FT2 (Talk 15:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Background
Barely 4 weeks ago I reviewed from outside a week's block ("Section break and outside view") where you dived into personal attack, and concluded:


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 * "Jeeny breached the bright line rule WP:3RR which is there to dampen and curtail revert warring no manner whether right or wrong and replace it by dispute resolution. She responded to declination by making the following personal attacks.

"Accordingly I concur with the block, and in the circumstances and, given the previous record of blocks for harassment, incivility that had already been escalated somewhat past the minimal 24 hours (even ignoring the Phil Sandifer block as he has requested), I concur that a week's block is an appropriate use of judgement."
 * }

Your block
I have now blocked you for 2 weeks, for this comment containing the following personal attacks and incivilities:


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"...Was poor widdle SWATjester on IRC crying again? The one with the big name, and little confidence? [...] Phil is an asshole, and so is SWATjester. Power hungry peons hoping for some recognition, because they can't get it in the "real world". Too bad they don't realize it. Kinda sad. Thanks for the time out, and the PUNISHMENT! Too bad that a site like this cannot take the criticism of it's power-players. [...] the all powerful Jimbo, porno, Wales will be rich on the fruits of your labor. OMG, you are retired!?? WTH? I want nothing to do with this Nazi regime, any longer. Thanks for helping show just how stupid Americans are. - Jeeny (talk) 14:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)"
 * }

The block length was based upon your past and repeated track record of attack, incivility and the like. You have been blocked almost every few weeks for breach of civility and personal attack policies, and yet continue (see above also). Blocking your access is a legitimate means to prevent you attacking other users and damaging the project's editorial environment for the next two weeks.

This was not "against" you. It is a statement that you cannot use personal attacks and insults of this kind, or incivility, on Wikipedia. That is a communal decision, neutral and applicable to both of us, which we all agree to be bound by so long as we choose to stay.

Policy and conduct
In light of the above and the previous history, I am in a position where I feel it necessary to spell out where I see you as being, and the stance the community takes on personal attacks.

The protective use of blocks, and the damage caused by such conduct not being inhibited, is emphasized and re-emphasized in policy pages. For example see the following summaries:

I would not like to see any of these applied, but you need to know patience is running low and these are the options the community has sanctioned when patience expires. The above are the guidelines which I and any other admin refer to, in deciding whether protecting Wikipedia, its articles, its discussions and editorial environment, is necessary.

Please do ask me if you need help understanding any policy matter, or have a question, but do not continue editing in conflict with policy, even if you are sure your activity is okay, when in fact you have been clearly told by multiple users that it really isn't. FT2 (Talk 15:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Since you have had your page protected due to insults while being blocked for insults, you may make your case through e-mail: unblock-en-l at lists.wikimedia.org


 * If you use that address to act in an abusing way, then we can remove your ability to send e-mail from this account, so please talk to our volunteers with respect. See WP:APPEAL for more information. 1 != 2  16:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Enough with the extensions, already. El_C 22:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Did you notice that ...
... a user deleted this from your page?

" Looks like I'll be blocked soon, for questioning those in power and running for office. And I thought this was an encyclopedia. 12:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC) See, what did I tell you. Do not question authority! They are just kids, pretending to be adults. Kids, always question authority, always! And do not trust Wikipedia for your homework, this is not an encyclopedia, but a resource. Check the references at the bottom of every page before you believe what you read. 14:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)"

I was going to restore it because the deletion was without justification, but I noticed you've been there since. I just wanted to make sure you knew. deeceevoice (talk) 11:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, I removed it and forgot an edit summary ...well, on purpose. It's poorly written anyway. Now you have it on the page again. lmao. Oh well. - Jeeny (talk) 11:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Unblock with proviso
The blocking admin has agreed to unblock you if you agree to mentorship, with me being your mentor. How do you feel about it? We know one another well, and I think we trust each other, too. If we go forward with this, we'll have to make some agreement about edit summaries, etc. I fully understand how you have been trolled by a banned user, but feel we can approach it in a more positive way. Want to share your thoughts on this compromise idea? Jeffpw (talk) 20:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, but can I call you names? I'm kiddin' ;p I know my edit summaries are bad, and turned off my tick box, so I'm not so compelled to leave one in the heat of the moment. I know this is wrong and/or lazy on my part, but my edit summaries where used to get attention, rather than go to AN/I for an IP that kept changing by the hour. Yeah, well I got attention alright. Not the good kind, though. My fault, yes. How does mentorship work? Do I have to report to you before I edit articles that are controversial? Which admin? There were a few of them. Also, how did you know this? How long does "mentorship" last? Am I asking too many questions? - Jeeny (talk) 21:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * hey honey! It's still being discussed on ANI, but I have discussed this with Swatjester privately, and he is in agreement about unblocking you with mentorship. Haemo has also said he will help out. Have you read WP:MENTOR? That might be a good starting point.


 * As to your "reporting" to me about controversial articles, I don't think that's necessary, at least about article edits. I do want to come to an agreement with you about your talk page comments, though. Both in article talk and on user talk pages, it's important to stay cool. If you think you're about to make a snappy retort, take a break, get something to eat or drink, whatever it takes to calm down, then reply in the way you would like to be replied to. Though it's not a whole lot of fun, reading WP:AGF, WP:NPA, and WP:CIV might not be a bad idea.


 * Nobody wants to see you blocked, but everybody wants to be able to edit somewhat peacefully. If someone is bothering you, let's figure out the appropriate channels to take to resolve it in your best interest.


 * I know I haven't answered all your questions, but the situation will probably be clearer later this evening, your time. I have to go to sleep now, but will check things out when I get up. I'll keep an eye on your talk page, too. It's been watchlisted, but I didn't check every change. I will now. Happy to hear your smiling voice (through your typing). Jeffpw (talk) 22:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, good night sleep tight. But I have reservations now, I just skimmed over the Mentor article, and then looked at AN/I and my blood has begun to boil again. I don't know if we can work together, because I have a HUGE problem with SWAT jester. He exaggerates. and not just about me, but when I see him doing it to me and to others, I get damn pissed. I believe he has an attitude problem and in no way should he be in a position of power. He has poor judgment, has poor communication skills, he's immature, is power hungry and spends too much time looking for trouble. (I'm not the only one who thinks this, and I've seen others have commented on it.) I saw this AFTER this incident. My gut was right. We have a personality conflict, at the very least.


 * I would rather sit out my block than have to answer to him, or have anything to do with him. I want him to stay away from me, and promise to never contact me again, by issuing warnings or otherwise. I have no respect for him. (I'm sure the feeling is mutual, but I don't care) I have more confidence in myself that I don't expect, nor need kudos to feel better about myself. He cannot see his own flaws, and that is poor judgment, so I cannot trust him to judge me. Because he is WRONG! He is continuing to say I'm a troll and exaggerates in the extreme, RE: "Jeeny is a clear problem user, NOT a "prolific editor", "continuously stirring up trouble" (bold added), "Obviously the only remaining solution is to let her just personally attack anyone and everyone she feels like" (bold/italics added). "Instead of repeatedly touting about how she's helping the encyclopedia..." (bold/italics added) then he goes on to prove by providing diffs, "...clearly show that she has other things in mind rather than being a worthwhile contributor'..." (italics added to show his language is exaggerating and immature) This is the language he uses, exaggerating away, and being flippant. He has to learn to use his words wisely, correctly and honestly. He doesn't and he doesn't get it either. (Especially since he is running for ArbCom?...sheesh) So, I guess I'll just sit this one out. I will not assume a submissive position where he is involved, so he can get his jollies, or puff out his chest for another medal, or whatever he gets out of this. I cannot assume good faith regarding him one bit. Not after all he's said, done and is doing. And not just to me! Sorry. - Jeeny (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

SJ continues to disparage and humiliate me on AN/I right now. I asked first if that was the right place to post before I posted anything else, (but he doesn't see that), so he berates me for posting in the wrong place. Also AGAIN exaggerating, after Picaroon provided diffs of the gross insulting disruptive stalker IP, returning time and again is ignored by SWATjester (a "person" who is full of self, and self aggrandizing who cannot understand that his ego is bigger than his moral compass!) I have a right to assume bad faith on HIS part when I do not see the goodfaith on his part, and the fact that racist troll gets a free ride, provoking an inflamed situation further? Pa'leeze.

This is not the first time he's done this. If he had one ounce of dignity, he would have stopped posting how horrible a person I am, and what I great "trustful" person he is. But, he still continues to post on the AN/I thread, is smug and condensing to others who call him on it, even other admins, by posting this broad assumption; "...protecting our contributors from a user who self-admittedly refuses to assume good faith..." It is against him and the troll with whom I do not assume good faith -- SWATjester -- not others who have not shown or caused me otherwise. He doesn't get that it's because of his actions and/or inactions, and for his misjudgment by not noticing the troll continuing after providing diffs to support his block warnings? That is extremely poor judgment, lacks ability to see evidence, and this for a future Arbitrator?

Like I said I have been stalked for months by Hayden's IPs, reverted repeated vandalism to articles by this troll, then I get the slap in the face and he lets the troll continue. Look at the diffs Picaroon posted at AN/I of that horrible picture the troll inserted into the Negro article, over and over again. Because it is never okay to call a "moron" a "moron" no matter what? If he had any decentcy of character he would have unblocked me, yet he continues to post on AN/I about how terrible I am? Still refuses to let his ego deflate EVEN when he uses diffs to "prove" what I horrible trouble maker I am, when that troll-vandal is right behind me in those diffs. - Jeeny (talk) 05:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've tagged the latest sockpuppet. - Rjd0060 (talk) 06:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rj. :) - Jeeny (talk) 06:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And I have warned him and placed the matter on ANI. He will probably be banned in short order. Just digesting your replies now, and will reply more fully in a bit. But I am disappointed, to say the least. Jeffpw (talk) 06:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Honey, these comments don't help matters. Part of conflict resolution is knowing when to let go and walk away. That doesn't mean you lost a fight; just that you see no reason to perpetuate it. What happened is history; it can't be undone. It's how we go forward that matters. Please read the core policies about civility and NPA again, and not with a view of how others have broken them, but how you can use them in your own future editing. The goal here is to get you unblocked and back to productive editing ASAP. Not to establish who was wrong or right. Even on your own talk page while you are blocked, civility is paramount. your comments here can hurt the feelings of people who read them (and indeed, Swatjester is practically required to read your page now, since he is involved with the situation). Please think about what you want to see happen, and the best way to achieve that goal. The path you are currently on will not achieve anyting but a bitter editor sitting out a 2 week block and then resuming editing with a chip on her shoulder the size of the General Sherman tree. Jeffpw (talk) 07:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just about to get pissed at you too and then saying but...but..what about what he's doing. I was just about to call the "Whambalance".... But then you go and end with that sentence and the second half made me laugh...again. I love you still, and always. Hope all is well with you and hubby. 07:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed that Swatjester isn't even the one who blocked you. It was User:JzG who has supposedly "retired" yet is still active. Then User:FT2 extended the block. - Rjd0060 (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know. but..you know. - Jeeny (talk) 23:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

blocked
What is it with you and swatjester. (My studies are going good. I'm starting to really hate the penguin.) Seth71 (talk) 23:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Seth, it's complicated and I'd rather not say anymore about that than I have already. SO! I'm glad your studies are going good. But, penquins are so misunderstood! :(p - Jeeny (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Rude?
Since you are blocked, (and I think the above recent comments you left say a lot of positive things about you), looking for a fourth opinion. I received email saying that I was "incredibly rude" in this reply..... Since you're a pro...err.....;) .  YGM also and I'll be awaiting reply. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just got back online. Give me a few minutes. - Jeeny (talk) 01:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. - Rjd0060 (talk) 04:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection requested
I hope you don't mind, but I have requested semi-protect for your talk page, so Hayden cannot continually leave provocative comments for you. I saw your last edit summary and found that a very good way to communicate to the community about him while you are blocked. If for some reason you don't want your page protected, let me know and I will arrange to have it lifted (as of this writing, it has not yet happened). Jeffpw (talk) 11:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Signature
Ummm, question about your signature.... how did you make 'talk' superscript.

Please give me instructions or coding to allow me to make mine this!

Also, please reply on my talk page if posssible.

The Helpful One (Talk) 17:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've taken the liberty to assist this user. - Rjd0060 (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rj, hopefully he knows that he has to have the "Raw signature" box ticked as well. :) - Jeeny (talk) 20:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

block him
it sort of sounds like hayden's harrasing you so why not block him. I hate the penguin because I don't like the stories there about native americans, and have the time I don't know what there talking about. Seth71 (talk) 19:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He's blocked. Seth, what is it you don't understand? Can you post part of the story that you don't understand and I'll try to help you? - Jeeny (talk) 20:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Continuing our discussion
Morning honey. I hope you slept well and are feeling somewhat happier today. I wanted to give you a little tip about WP:AGF. It's not something we can pick and choose about. Even when we disagree with somebody, or think they are making a huge error, we always have to keep in mind that they are probably operating under the belief that they are doing what's best for the project. I know you find that hard to believe about Swatjester, but it is absolutely true. He was warning you because that is his job here, and he saw your edit summaries on his watch list. He was trying to defend the policy, and doing what he felt was best for Wikipedia. I think in your heart you know your edit summaries and the names you used with Hayden were uncivil. Even with trolls we have choices about how we react. We warn. We report. We discuss and achieve consensus on ANI and other pages. We don't have to resort to the kind of behavior that the trolls themselves use. It's all about being civilized.

Please give this some thought, and reply here when you feel like it. you know how much I care about you, and I am sincerely trying to help, here. Jeffpw (talk) 20:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jeff, for protecting my talk page, and your help. I appreciate it very much. I understand the AGF policy as I have read it again and will promise to remain civil and follow the AGF policy to the letter. Also, my respect for SJ has gone up just a tad for posting on your page, and not mine. - PS: Is your previous offer to chat on phone or chatware still open? - Jeeny (talk) 20:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you honey. I really appreciate that. All anybody on Wikipedia wants is for your posts to conform to the policy. And I promise you I will help you as much as is in my power. Believe me, even those regular editors we don't get along with here want what's best for the project. And yes, we can chat anytime on the phone or chatware. If you have Skype, my username is KingCranky (and no jokes about how appropriate it is). Otherwise email me with your number or yahoo name and we can talk that way. Much wikilove to you. Jeffpw (talk) 20:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! What time is it in your part of the woods? Just to get an idea of time differences for the future. I'm not up to chatting right now, but will send you an email later. - Jeeny (talk) 21:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's just after 10 at night here in Amsterdam. I look forward to reading your mail :-D 21:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)Jeffpw (talk)
 * Great, thank you. 6 hours later than mine. You'll be in bed by the time I get around to an email. :) - Jeeny (talk) 21:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have posted to ANI that you have agreed to mentoring and that you will abide by civility and AGF policies. I hope I haven't misunderstood you. I don't think so, but want to reconfirm it. I hope this works out. I have invested a lot of time in trying to arrange this, and several admins have worked hard discussing it, too. Please make me happy I did this, honey! Jeffpw (talk) 21:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you for all your hard work Jeff, it is very appreciated. Hope you're happy! :D - Jeeny (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Since I was the person responsible for the present block, I feel it's best to post my current comment here too, so Jeeny can see it's specific for her and not "avoiding" anything or hidden away anywhere else.

I'm very glad to see the present arrangement proposed. I think a lot of people owe thanks to Jeff for his hard work (thanks Jeff from me too), but ultimately it's Jeeny who will have to make it all work out :)

I also note Jeff's comment on ANI: "[I] would hope that Jeeny can be unblocked, with the proviso that she will be blocked again, and her page immediately protected, if she acts disruptively again." 

The block only existed because some kinds of conduct just aren't okay, not mattering who does them or why. If mentoring means Jeeny doesn't make such comments again, then the block can go pronto :) A lot rides on this, to see if it genuinely does help this cycle of response to end. Just so it's all in the open, I have to do the bit where I say that if the problem recurs then likely so will the block, but you know - I say it really hoping that it won't :)

My own advice and input is much more pragmatic than Jeffs: if there's a problem its genuinely much more effective to say there's a problem, and let others here carry the burden. I've seen that over and over, in real life and here. If two people argue, both are going to look bad, no matter who started it; if one argues and one is civil, everyone can see who's at fault. Jeff'll help, and he's regularly round, if you can hold off commenting till he can step in. Attacks and harassment aren't okay by anyone, to anyone, and if you do manage to let it, this policy will work for you too :)

Keep me posted how it goes if you like, I'd be glad to see it going well. And Jeeny - stay outa controversy and trouble, y'hear? :)

Block lifted provisionally to allow a trial of mentoring on conduct.

FT2 (Talk 22:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * YES SIR! Hear you loud and clear! :) - Jeeny (talk) 22:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeeny, I've extended the semi-protection on your talk page through the holiday season (ending 1 month from about 2 minutes ago), to protect from future sock attacks on your page. It's not perfect, but if any such attacks do come through, please let someone know (I'm usually online from U.S. mid-afternoon through late evening, FT2 is usually online when I'm not with a slight overlap.) and we'll block them. &rArr;   SWAT Jester    Son of the Defender  23:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the page protect, SJ, but I'm still blocked. :/ - Jeeny (talk) 23:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not from where I'm standing :) . FT2 (Talk 23:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, try standing a little bit more to the left, as I get the blue box of death block that my IP is blocked, box, it's blue. lol - Jeeny (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

FT2, it's the autoblock. #704850, I just undid it, see if that works. &rArr;  SWAT Jester    Son of the Defender  23:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that worked. :) - Jeeny (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

here's my suggestion
I plan on watching your talk page very frequently, to make sure that Hayden doesn't post here agin, if the protection is removed (though I would suggest it stay semi-protected for a while). I'm also going to watch your contributions, just as I do with my adoptee, and offer feedback if necessary. I have no concerns about your article edits. You're a solid editor and follow the policies and protocols well. It's just the talk pages that concern me, since you edit in areas where discussion can get heated.

If you get into a situation you think might get out of hand, please message me and allow me to act as your advocate. At least until you feel you can edit without getting angry. I amnot trying to censor you, just trying to make sure that you can make your points according to policy. And the funny thing is: when you stay calm and in policy, the others either fall in line or are exposed as editors who are not acting in good faith. It's win-win for you.

Ultimately, though, it is up to you. I'll give you all the support you need, but the real work is up to you. As I know you're aware, a lot of eyes are on you at the moment. Let's not give them anything to stare at. Love ya lots, honey, and I look forward to your email. Jeffpw (talk) 23:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, BigDaddy, it's kind of humiliating. But hey. Whatcha gonna do? ;p - Jeeny (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Honeybunch, if I can survive 9 months in The village of the damned, you can survive a meddling yenta who loves ya! Jeffpw (talk) 23:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, whatevah. :) - Jeeny (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

hey
I've been wondering what's been wrong with you. You've been blocked 3 times this month are you doing good? Seth71 (talk) 20:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm fine, I would like to help you with your studies. See my reply above. - Jeeny (talk) 21:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

It's alright. I'm going to pass anyway. It's too complicated to put the computer. Have you seen the thing that I have on my user page. It tells if I'm online or not. I saw it on someone else's page and I copied and pasted it on my page. You want it. Seth71 (talk) 21:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's cool about the online thingy, but it would be confusing for me to use it. I'm always logged in, and it could be showing that I'm online, when I'm away from the computer. So technically I'd show online, but would not be available. Plus, my habits are too irregular at the moment for that to work for me. Thanks for the offer, though! What is the name of the story about the Native Americans? - Jeeny (talk) 21:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

There's about 10 stories. The one that I'm having trouble with the most is a story called "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God." It's about a church sermon when a guy Jonathan Edwards. He pretty much described hell to the congregation and they would all cry scream and prey during the sermon.Seth71 (talk) 21:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

It's crazy what I have to do if I miss a day of school. I you miss a group presentation or a quiz you have to make it up by reading a book and doing a report on it. I've also started on my other report. It's an autobiographical narrative. It's about the time when I broke my wrist back in january. I went through the entire school day with a broken wrist and oh did it hurt. I was in a cast for 2 months and had a splint on for a monthSeth71 (talk) 21:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Woah. What grade are you 10th? And do you go to a Christian school? - Jeeny (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

11th, NO I go to a regular public school. I turn 17 in 3 months my birthday is February 28th. Seth71 (talk) 21:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. How's your wrist now? Those wacky Puritans were very scary, more so than the "savages". I'm from Boston, luckily not of that time though... I would have been burned as a witch. ;p Do you know there is a wiki article on it? You probably do. I haven't read it though for accuracy. - Jeeny (talk) 22:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Butting in, we do have articles on both that sermon and it's author. The sermon is Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.  The author is Jonathan Edwards (theologian).  The sermon article could use a lot of improvement in the area of sourcing and expansion with commentary on the sermon.  My recollection is that the sermon may not be characteristic of Edward's work.  But it certainly is a strongly worded sermon, from my recollection.  GRBerry 21:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

sinners
I've got the jist of the story so I think I'll be alright. my wrist is good. Have you ever seen the movie Four BrothersSeth71 (talk) 22:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, but I think it's very violent, right? And sad. Did you know that I had to wear a full body cast for 9 months?!! Try taking care of a very small child, plus working in that thing, while I only weighed 87lbs, and the cast was 40lbs. lol EEK, ugh, that was an awful time. - Jeeny (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Think that I should start chatting with you through e-mail. Your friend RJD just left me a message a couple of seconds ago and said that I should chat with you through e-mail. Plus you should see the movie. Seth71 (talk) 22:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OK! I just answered a couple of your emails. I'm going to be away from the computer for a few hours I hope - Jeeny (talk) 22:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: Thank you
Its the least I can do. You got a lot of people here for you. - Rjd0060 (talk) 23:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Shhh, they might hear you. I really don't like all this attention and drama. Even though I know I brought it on myself. zOMG! :) - Jeeny (talk) 23:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, they can hear. Its ok.  It is the truth.  I wonder how many people have this page on their watchlist?  I learned that only the Dev's know...  - Rjd0060 (talk) 23:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Spooky, ain't it? Thats interesting about the Dev's. .- Jeeny (talk) 23:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is a bit intriguing, knowing you really cannot do anything privately here. - Rjd0060 (talk) 23:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * zOMG! It's like Big Brother. That is so cool! At least they can't see me while brushing my teeth. Or can they? ;p - Jeeny (talk) 23:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, they probably can!!! And LMAO at your new sig...really fits!  JK - Rjd0060 (talk) 23:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ugh! lmao. Thanks. - Oh no, it's Jeeny (talk) 23:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't edit my user page
Why? I wanted to add this to my tools section Reference generator. - Oh no, it's Jeeny (talk) 04:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Im sure you know, but it is protected until Dec 10. Just go to WP:RFPP and request unprotection, or just request it be downgraded to semi. - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that, now. But I don't know why she did that. It kinda ticks me off too. Oh well. - Oh no, it's Jeeny (talk) 05:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, I saw your comment on SJ page. Heres a "special favor", want me to request unprotection (or semi) for you?  lol  - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, please. Gosh, why is everything so confusing....to me. I'd appreciate it. I got mad at sweet Neranei. I'm sure she meant well, now that I saw entry. I'm going to delete what I wrote on her page. Sheesh. - Oh no, it's Jeeny (talk) 05:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you like it semi-d or just completely unprotected? - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, whichever allows ME to edit it. lol Thanks! - Oh no, it's Jeeny (talk) 05:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Requested downgrade to semi, that way only logged in users (whose accounts are not new can edit). See Requests for page protection. - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess because the system isn't used to unprotection requests for user pages, and is automatically calling your talk page Talk:User:Jeeny, which obviously does not exist. - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, well it's exist now! I asked where I was. lol. Thank you!! - Oh no, it's Jeeny (talk) 05:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, I thought I deserved my very own article page. lol. List of every stupid thing I've ever done, just to educate others. What do you think? :p - Oh no, it's Jeeny (talk) 05:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL!!!!! I'll explain it better, if youre interested.  When adding requests to that it automatically adds the links because I added the requested page (User:Jeeny) in the template like this:  .  So then it automatically formats each link (talk, history, logs) according to what I've entered in the squiggly brackets.  So since it is used to only pages on the mainspace, it just adds Talk: to the pagename...I've confused myself now, and maybe you too. - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyhow, the page is already semi-d.. Rjd0060 (talk) 05:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I should have stayed blocked, I almost lost, well, did, lose my "cool"..again. Thank you so much, honey! - Oh no, it's Jeeny (talk) 05:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem! Feel free to email me anytime when you feel you're getting "hot" (lol, you know opposed to staying cool).  - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LMAO!!!!!!!!! okay, thanks! lmao. God, you have me crying laughing. I even snorted. I'm going to bed. Lack of sleep has not helped. lmao. I'm still laughing. SYL. :) - Oh no, it's Jeeny (talk) 05:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad to be of service! G'nite, *   Maybe this will make you laugh tomorrow . - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Civility, the watchword of Wikipedia
This was rather harsh, Jeeny. The protection of your userpage was entirely my doing, as I was the one who incorrectly formatted the semi-protection request for your talk page in the first place. Please AGF of other users, and don't be so quick to bite those you think have done wrong. In this case, the chain of unfortunate events leading to the full protection began with me, and was motivated by my sincere fondness for you and a desire to help. I'm glad you were able to edit the message before Neranei read it; that was fortunate. The next time might turn out so well. Once again, if you are about to send a bitey reply, message somebody online you trust and have them review it for you, or reply for you. Jeffpw (talk) 09:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)