User talk:Jeff246gt

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March 2022
Hello, I'm BilCat. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, North American T-28 Trojan, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. BilCat (talk) 03:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello BilCat, the only change I made to the T28 Trojan page was to the surviving aircraft in USA of the T28C model. I happen to own Serial No. 140543, which was not included on the list, it is registered with the FAA under registration No. N80269, which I included in my comments, and it can be verified by simply looking up the N number on the FAA's website.  It is also on display at Wings Over Miami Museum and this can be verified physically.  I made no other changes to the web page. Thank you User Jeff246gt


 * Owning an example of an aircraft type is not necessarily an overall conflict of interest, but to add it to the article as being on museum display you will need to provide a reference that says that. The FAA registration is not going to show that it is on display at the museum, if it is privately owned. See WP:PROVEIT. Is it listed on the museum website? - Ahunt (talk) 16:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The museum has a simple website, www.wingsovermiami.com, it does not state all the aircraft on display, but you can call them and verify that it is there. If you so desire, I can take photos of it on display, but it will be difficult to prove they were taken at the museum. The museum's telephone number is on their website, also many people that have visited the museum have posted photographs of the T-28 on their facebook pages, it is the second most photographed aircraft at the museum, second only to the Grumman F-14 Tomcat, and not by much.  All the aircraft on display at the museum are privately flown flying aircraft with the exception of the F-14 Tomcat which is on loan from the US Navy and not airworthy, the MiG 21 which was donated to the museum and is also not airworthy, and the Hawker Hunter which belongs to South Florida Vintage Warbird Preservation Society, Inc., and is being restored to airworthy condition. User Jeff246gt


 * Thanks for your response. We can't use photos alone as a reference as they don't really prove much and are easily faked, we need an actual, reliable source, as per WP:RS. Most museums have complete lists of their aircraft on display as they help historians and researchers and also attract visitors, but if this one doesn't and no one else has documented it, say in a magazine article or something similar, then we will have to just omit it as "not verifiable". You might suggest to the museum that they compile a list of their aircraft. Many museums have a page for each aircraft that the museum has, including a history of the type and the individual aircraft, with photos, but some have just a simple list on a single page. It's useful to have for reasons like this. - Ahunt (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Your point is well taken, I stated the same in my response. I am unable to control what the museum places on its website, I have suggested that they mention all the aircraft on display as you have suggested, maybe they will in the near future. I suggested you may call them to verify, I did not give you the number to call, it is on their website, they are open Wednesday through Sunday, 10:00 AM through 4:30 PM, they do have a brochure in which photographs of most of the aircraft on display are shown, including N80269. If you would like one of the brochures mailed somewhere, I can do that. I have nothing to gain by this, financially or personally, I just wanted anyone interested in seeing a T28 in person, in our local vicinity, to know where they can see one on display and possibly in flight most weekends. I am well aware that I have no right to place any demands on Wikipedia and that Wikipedia will do what they believe is in their, and the public's best interest. User Jeff246gt


 * Sure, no aspersions on your motives intended! We all want Wikipedia to be as complete as possible, because that way it is most useful to our readers. Unfortunately phoning the museum won't help, as I can't cite a phone call (or an email for that matter). The main requirement to add any content is that it be verifiable, meaning the next person (reader or editor) who comes along and reads the article can check the reference cited, read it (or look it up) and know that the information is verified as accurate. If you have the brochure you can cite that as a reference, as we do accept paper refs here, more difficult as they are to look up remotely. We have some guidance on that at WP:CITE. - Ahunt (talk) 20:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I could scan the brochure, or take photos of it, but I would not know how to make them available. I will also keep pestering the museum to update their website but I believe that the person that had been maintaining it is no longer available and they haven't found a replacement, it is basically volunteer work, we all volunteer to keep the museum going. Now that I think of it, last year I was interviewed on video at the museum for a latin american aviation facebook publication. It is in Spanish and they do mention where it is being filmed, they film the aircraft and interview me next to the aircraft answering questions about it. If I can get you the link to that entity, if they are still around, would that video be sufficient? User Jeff246gt


 * Sure an aviation publication with a video on FB would be fine. Also the pamphlet doesn't have to be on-line, as long as it was actually published and made available somewhere, it can be cited. - Ahunt (talk) 01:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, I just found out it is on Instagram, Hangar 305 | Somos Aviadores, and they didn't post the interview, they just have a couple of videos of the aircraft flying in formation with others over the Everglades and one photo of it with a Yak 52 that is at the museum, but on the museums ramp which is not identifiable as the museum's ramp, I happen to know that it is because that is how we get out of the museum to go to the runway. I'll get a brochure this weekend. User Jeff246gt

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Jeff246gt. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page North American T-28 Trojan, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. BilCat (talk) 03:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)