User talk:JeffBillman/archive8

Penn Trafford Controversy Heading
Mr Billman,

I am trying to ad information to the Penn Trafford page abut the se tape scandal, but you keep deleting it. I am not sure how this information is not constructive. I am from the area and a member of the 2003 graduating class. That sex tape is something that is still talked about frequently today here. Every graduating class since then tries to top these achievements. If you take it off then you are just removing important info about the school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.115.85 (talk) 00:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I deleted information about this incident once. Prior to that, somebody kept adding the word "gateway" to the article for no apparent reason.  In any case, you are welcome to make contributions to this article if the information you are contributing can be found in some notable source... say the Greensburg Tribune-Review, which almost certainly would have something on this incident. -- JeffBillman (talk) 03:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
For the barnstar. I appreciate it. Red thoreau (talk Redthoreau 17:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

3RR
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Tiptoety talk 17:41, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the warning. Could you point me to my error, please?  I'm not sure where I'm in an edit war... However, I have been trying to diffuse one at LeBron James. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, that is the article I am talking about. Please understand that jumping in to the edit war does not help to difuse it but only adds to the edit war itself. The best way to difuse the issue is to start a conversation on the talk page and encourage users per their talk page to take part in that conversation. Please understand I am aware you have not violated 3RR, but I am simply warning all the users involved that continuing to edit war can result in a block. Cheers, Tiptoety  talk 17:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, got it. I made one edit to that page wherein I tried to call for sources without reverting the info.  Seeing that the dispute was more heated than I initially thought, I have since moved on to talk pages.  Thanks again for your help. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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Source?
Would you please attempt to answer my question at Talk:Ridgemont High School (Ohio)? Thanks. Nyttend (talk) 12:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Shawnee U.R.B.
To Mr. JeffBillman, Hello. I am a member of the Shawnee URB and have studied the history of my people for many years. I am contacting you about the usesage of the word claims in your article. I would like to know where you have gotten your information and I would also like to teach you what I know of my people. I can explain where my people come from and where the were in the past. If you are willing to talk to me it would be greatfully taken. We may be able to teach each other a little something. Thank you for your time, Rain Crow My email is xxxx@xxxx.xxx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.67.28 (talk) 02:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, there is much to discuss! I am sending e-mail shortly... -- JeffBillman (talk) 07:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks!
Thank you for the barnstar; I'm still new to the wikipedia process so it's good to know I'm doing things right :) Rhebus (talk) 07:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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James Dobson
I've done a good bit of work on the article. I would appreciate it if you took a look at it and my comments about it on the article talk page and provided your input. Thanks! Jclemens (talk) 04:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Mahoning County?
That's it? This: http://archive.wkbn.com/firstnews/history/2004-02-24/1100pm/xindex.htm is your reference?

OK, before I go offending people (including you), let me explain. I, too, am a Salem native, and--I must admit--the idea of my city being in two counties seems preposterous. However, I have very close relationships with the (present and former) county commissioners in Columbiana County, and can tell you unequivocally that Salem is NOT part of Mahoning County. I'm very sorry to prolong this discussion, and I hope you are not offended.

I know that this is mind-boggling and can confuse people (the page's history is testament to that), but it seems as if the difficulty almost stems from semantics. The Mahoning County GIS map--though glossy and helpful at first glance--does not clearly prove either of our points, as their legend denotes "city" and "village" boundaries in almost identical colors. That link has been removed from the citation, and I regret that I mistakenly cited it in the first place. However, Salem's own City Hall apparently deals with this question so frequently that they took it upon themselves to directly address it in their "F.A.Q.s (frequently asked questions)" page, which I have included as the appropriate citation. Wal-Mart seems to be a bit of a red herring, which is unfortunate.

I hope that the City of Salem's official stand on the situation will be the final word in our edits to this article, and when they change their official facts, then--of course--we should amend the entry accordingly. I hope that you will agree.

One other thing: I think that it was a bit uncalled for that you chastised my edits publicly--and somewhat sarcastically--in your edit summary. That could and should have been directed to me personally in a discussion (not as a sort of cruel fait accompli) on my talk page. Please contact me on my talk page with any further communication.

Thanks!--BFDhD (talk) 19:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi there, fellow Salemite!


 * No offense taken at all, but more importantly I'm sorry if you are offended. Your source for removing Mahoning County seemed a bit arbitrary, and in fact did not (as you note) demonstrate that Salem is not in Mahoning County.  Rather than chastise you, I was intending to draw your attention to an easily overlooked speck on the map in extreme southwestern Green Township.  I myself had to zoom in several levels to really see it.  There, I noticed that the Mahoning County GIS map does show that Salem has annexed a small plot of land (probably only amounting to a few acres) in Green Twp, Mahoning County.  My edit summary was intended to communicate this in as few words as possible; I apologize that in the process I apparently sacrificed an amicable tone.


 * And yes, it was a shock to me as well when I first learned of it on that very article two years ago. Of course we Salemites learned in school all about how Perry Township was carved out of the South Range, and how the now-extant City of Salem was formed from Perry Twp.; and having learned this history, we can point with pride at our odd little notch of Columbiana County.  (No sarcasm intended.)  However, this quick history lesson-- and its summary reflected in the FAQ you cited-- doesn't address how Salem has in this decade annexed additional land outside Perry Twp; and, indeed, outside Columbiana County.  By analogy, we can say that Youngstown is in Mahoning County and be factually correct, but this doesn't address the parts of Liberty Township in Trumbull County that Youngstown annexed a few years ago.  I'll agree that a better source needs to be included if we are to state that Salem is in parts of Mahoning County, but I don't think we should rely solely on the City Hall FAQ as it's not meant to be that technical a source.  Oh, and go Quakers! ;-) -- JeffBillman (talk) 21:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey JeffBillman,
 * (Looks skyward) I'm so sorry about the Salem census figures.  I was looking at the 44460 ZIP code, as you presumed, and that would explain why almost all of the numbers were different!  (I thought it was really strange as I made the edits, but now I can see why.)  --That's what I get for editing with my proverbial eyes closed, I guess. . . .  Anyway, good catch!  In other news, Bert Dawson's office informs me that one can obtain a new Columbiana County map from them for only $2 . . . I know it won't necessarily solve the Mahoning/Columbiana county issue, but it might be nice to have the map on our page.  Also, Nancy Milliken's office has had some very interesting things to say, too . . . but more on that later.  Have a happy day!--BFDhD (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Dola
Thanks for the comment :-) I never heard of the place until I was going through the now-deleted List of ZIP Codes in Ohio, creating stubs on all communities statewide with post offices, since Dola has one. The next time I was home, I spoke with a member of my church (in her 70s) who grew up in the Belle Center area and who has lived here for the last 10+ years, and she hadn't any idea of its existence.  I knew where it was for the flight simply because I make careful use of the Ohio Atlas & Gazetteer, and because the pilot (my brother) was willing to take a little detour.  Nyttend (talk) 02:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Edit of John Freshwater's page
Jeff, I assume by your edit you are a secular progressive interested in having only your POV on Wikipedia and anywhere else. If I am wrong, prove it by allowing any sourced information on John Freshwater's site. Gkeithmcdonald Gkeithmcdonald (talk) 22:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Greetings, Keith! You added the following edit to the article on John Freshwater:

 John Freshwater had multiple disagreements with his superiors at the Mount Vernon City School District. Disagreements ranged from his views on evolution, intelligent design, and sharing of his Christian beliefs during school, as well as keeping a Bible on his desk. In 2008 he was accused of "branding" a student's arm with a cross as part of a class demonstration on electrostatic electricity. The students were not forced to participate, the mark lasted less than a week. The only evidence of the "branding" is a picture from the boy's parents who later sued the school and Freshwater, the school was aware of the accusation but did not consider it worth investigating at the time. That is why experts were unable to confirm anything other than it "looked like a burn".

The school later confronted Freshwater about his conduct, and Freshwater agreed to refrain from a repeat of these actions, except that he refused to remove the Bible from his desk. The school board then voted to dismiss Freshwater.


 * The primary problem with this edit is that it's unsourced: In other words, you provided no indication where you got this info so that it may be reviewed fairly.  Because there is no source for this, a secondary problem arises in that the edit appears to be a defense of Freshwater, thus promoting a particular POV (namely Freshwater's) in the article.  Thanks for your question.  If I can be of assistance, please don't hesitate to ask. -- JeffBillman (talk) 04:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Lordstown production
I reverted the previous addition because it was unsourced, and in a time like now I was imagining that no models were being produced or about to be produced, so any unreferenced statement that "_____ is produced at Lordstown" I thought plainly wrong. Thanks for finding the source to trump everything else :-) Nyttend (talk) 19:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Cleveland Browns
I will check it out. It's such a poor article to begin with and every few months this debate about the move to Baltimore comes up. Mostly I've been seeing not so much vandalism as speculation and commentary, like it's some kind of poorly written blog. ::: sigh ::: --JonRidinger (talk) 04:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

John Freshwater
Jeff, As I suspected, you refused to committ that properly sourced information contradicting your POV would unmolested/unedited by you. Because of this type of activity, Wikipedia is not a "Free Enclyclopedia" it is a secular progressive blog. Shame on you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gkeithmcdonald (talk • contribs) 13:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, sir, what you intended me to do. If you have this sourced info that contradicts my POV as you say, by all means add it!  You need not wait on me to do anything.  What is in the article at present is no less than what I know on the matter; I am withholding nothing.  If you need help citing sources, by all means I'll be happy to help.  What I cannot do, however, is read your mind.  Warmest regards, JeffBillman (talk) 15:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Paper township
I'm going to revert the tag for now. I know that the paper township exists outside of Ohio but I can't find anything on it at the moment. There is a township called Ladoga in Wisconsin which is literally just a sign saying "Ladoga". It's so small that there isn't a Wikipedia article on it but I know there was once something there besides just a sign because there is a East Ladoga Cemetary (which was annexed into the city of Fond du Lac at some point). I apologize for not commenting on the talk page. I meant to but just got into my disamming thing and lost track of it. I'll take the tag off and see what I can find. --User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 02:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the pointer! I will do that. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)