User talk:Jeff G./Archives/2008/October

my postings
OK, so the femme jay thing was funny. and I should have been messing around in the sandbox. Although I did change it back immediately, I do apologize.

However, it IS true that MJ is #2 in most demographics, and if I must cite that to include it in his obviously biased wikipedia entry, then I will. I believe it is worth mentioning. All local ratings for radio shows should be listed, especially if they are a major market morning show. This is just like the billboard single charts that shows their top position. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.13.21 (talk) 02:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly where can one find that ranking? Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 06:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Dracula
I'm new here. I actually just started about 15 minutes ago. I edited the article Dracula. I didn't put a reference down at first and I got a message telling me to put down a reference to where I got my info. I did and then you sent me a message telling me something about vandalism. How can I fix that problem and put the reference down the right way?--VampireKen (talk) 06:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly what is "Arrow In The Head News:Dracula:Undead"? Where can one find it?  Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 06:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

as it appears to be unconstructive
why it appears to you unconstructive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.182.53 (talk) 07:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If you have a source for what you appear to claim as the meaning of the name "Abraham", please cite that source. Also, misspellings of "Understand" and misuse of it in place of "Understood" are not encyclopedic.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 07:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

be carefull!
The vast majority of Cedunited's edits were ok! I checked them already. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 18:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem! I had to act fast because you are editing really fast!! Cedunited is a sockpuppet but in its last edits it only tried to convert infoboxes. All other edits it made are already reverted. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I fixed my remaining reverts of Cedunited.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Editing Thalía page
Hello Jeff,

Pardon for my mistake. I have put the sources for both the Biography and Artistic section of Thalia's page below the article page. Both info came from many Mexican magazines and Philippine newspapers. Please look at the Biography Source and Artistic Sources section below. Please correct how I did it if you think I made a mistake in doing so. Thank you. Rocksky (talk) 23:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe later.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 23:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi
You left a message with me. I was undoing someone's deletion of a whole section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jyngyr (talk • contribs) 00:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Huggle had a race condition.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 00:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

"Sockpuppet" Issue
Just to let you know, I was not attacking anyone. If stating facts and points are attacking, God help us all.

--Rrindie126 (talk) 02:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It looked like an attack to me.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 02:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Your warning re Pomona New Community
I see you left a warning for User:mdslazas for his removing my PROD from Pomona New Community. Actually, he's allowed to do that, though he ought to explain his reason. (He wasn't allowed to remove my original CSD, and I warned him for that, but then I changed my mind because the rules for CSD seem inconsistent and I wasn't sure they apply to a program like that.) I'll just replace it with an AfD. &#8212;Largo Plazo (talk) 03:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll try harder not to remove PRODs. You may also want to consider that User:mdslazas is probably the "Matthew Slazas" mentioned in the article, a WP:COI.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 03:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Your warning to User:Kay Sieverding about an edit to Talk:Pro se legal representation in the United States
I would like to know why you reverted this edit. What about it caused you concern to the point you felt it should be reverted? It was, and appears to me to be, a reasonable comment in response to the post above it. Reversion of talk page posts, particularly a relatively sensible one in the middle of an ongoing and current conversation between several editors, does not really seem to be the best use of Huggle. I'll look forward to your response and will watch your talk page. Thanks. Risker (talk) 04:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree. We have been working hard to get Kay to participate meaningfully and that reversion was not at all helpful. ++Lar: t/c 04:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I restored and commented upon it at Talk:Pro se legal representation in the United States. 04:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow that comment. ++Lar: t/c 05:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The only reason I deleted Kay's comment from that page was that the comment was in the middle of a URL. I put it back on that page in a different place with what I hoped was an adequate explanation.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 05:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Huggle rocks!
Heya! Just a note; I reverted this reversion of yours, as that user is legitimately seeking a namechange. Don't worry, I'm keeping an eye on it. :) Just thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  04:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't notice which page it was.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 04:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration
Dear Jeff G.,

What makes you think my edit to this article was vandalism? As I maintained, the edit I reverted was added as vandalism by User:Farcaster, who stalked me through my user contributions list.

99.165.237.233 (talk) 05:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You deleted an image that depicts the results of the topic of the article. I call that vandalism.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 05:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Jeff, that answer is non-responsive. "The Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration" has a virtually unlimited number of results.  Using your logic anything from whatever motivation grounded in any circumstances whatsoever would be appropriate matter for the lede, and you would call removing it vandalism.  Jeff, are you attempting to harass me?  99.165.237.233 (talk) 05:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 05:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Jeff, you have had 2½ hours to investigate my claims of vandalism having occurred, and have not responded. However, I appreciate your work elsewhere at stopping vandalism.  So here  is the diff that provoked User:Farcaster to stalk me through following my prior entries in my user contribution list to find an article I was editing and deprecated the article by:


 * Creating a counterfeit chart disguised as legitimate content:
 * Through having its creation date forged
 * Through inserting it at first with a caption with inappropriate informality and then removing it.


 * And if there were any doubt that he actually committed the act I described in my capsule summary of his behavior, in the chart he proceeded to parade the traits I had criticized or suspected in his prior behavior:
 * Lack of context
 * Inappropriate emotional appeal.
 * Electioneering.


 * He further paraded his defiance by placing the phony chart in the lede and where it was irrelevant to the content there.


 * I am removing this vandalism, and I think if you respect your vandalism patrol enough not to let it be hijacked by the spiteful, childish behavior of certain individuals, you will place a vandalism warning on User:Farcaster's page.


 * 99.165.237.233 (talk) 08:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Recent deaths
When an editor adds someone's death to an article with absolutely no explanation and no sources, don't do something like this - just revert it as the vandalism it is and move on. If it turns out to be true, a good editor will eventually add the information. I understand that it might have been confusing because the editing was going so fast, but the principle still holds. Graham 87 09:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tip.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 09:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

On Vandalizing your Page
I hope you realize that as soon as you block this IP address, I'll just change it or get on one of the other 50 computers in this room and keep going. You brought this on yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.252.40.102 (talk) 17:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I hope you realize that your efforts will probably be fruitless, given that the University of South Carolina probably uses network address translation.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Well done

 * Thank you very much!  — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem, its just the fruit of your labour :). ''' Blooded Edge   Sign/Talk 17:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Do you know who that person who vandalized my talkpage is? Fclass (talk) 20:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, just its contributions.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 11:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Turkey
In my revision I have provided a neutral point of view, for both secularism and conservatism present in Turkey, all entered with reliable sources. For doing this action, this user reverts it by giving a reason of me being an 'Islamist' - is that a valid reason to revert my neutral revision?Mohsin (talk) 17:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * What reversion are you writing about? Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:14, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * My revision: in comparision to this:  I have provided information for both secularism and conservatism present in Turkey with reliable sources, but is reverted as accuse me of an Islamist for that, which is idiotic. Currently it is continuously being reverted, please help. Thanks! Mohsin (talk) 17:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, please add any comments on the reversion on the article talk page, thanks. Mohsin (talk) 14:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have re-edited my version of the section, please add your comments on the Talk Page, whether you are in favor of my revision (hopefully), or the other after reviewing it, Thanks! Mohsin (talk) 19:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit
I have reverted back the edit to bi. The entry was a reference to an album and a group - both articles recently deleted as non-notable self-advertisement. Or perhaps I am missing something. 62.64.205.212 (talk) 10:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the notification.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Revert to my talk page
Thanks. I think either User:Doug s has gone off the rails slightly or the account's been compromised. William Avery (talk) 11:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I suppose time will tell.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Reverting
Sorry man. Won't happen again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pheonex (talk • contribs) 20:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

But I was just showing him a page I found... Pheonex (talk) 21:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You have no other way of communicating with him?   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

SEE EDIT SUMMARY
Hi. Please see the edit summary on the signature you just reverted and I'll say to you as well that you should include a shared IP clause at the bottom of your warnings to shared IP's. Thanks. It should be clear that what I did is for clarity and not vandalism after reading the summary. 96.5.66.240 (talk) 21:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC) AKA 45Factoid44 (talk) 21:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC) <-THEY'RE BOTH ME DUDE. SIGNING IS NOT VANDALISM!!


 * Thanks for the advice, please tell Gurch, my recent warnings use his wording in huggle.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Thank you. 45Factoid44 (talk) 21:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Possible Vandal
Could you please look at this? Please contact me on my talk page. Thank You for your help. entertainU (talk) 22:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅, thanks for the tip!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

CSD and AfD
If an article is a clear candidate for speedy deletion, it's okay to just tag it for speedy deletion again if it gets recreated, which is not uncommon. You should send articles on to AfD if they were prodded and contested, but for CSD articles, we just keep deletin' 'em... and block the creators if they recreate them too many times. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the tip!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Cinterion Wireless Modules
I got rid of the copyvio in Cinterion Wireless Modules and added some references. You may want to revisit Articles for deletion/Cinterion Wireless Modules. -- Eastmain (talk) 23:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅  — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 23:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Compass
Hi Jeff, Somebody needs to fix the Compass page, I think the reference links are broken which throws up an ugly error. uXuf (talk) 23:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅  — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 00:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Not vandalism
On Sabri Çakir I thought he died yesterday. —Preceding unsigned comments added by 98.25.128.247 (talk) 00:26-28, 10 October 2008
 * Please cite reliable sources. Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 00:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I will. But I think the vandalism charge was undeserved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.128.247 (talk) 00:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You are entitled to your opinion. The other three people who posted to your user talk page do not appear to share it.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 10:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

EWB-Palestine
Hi Jeff, this the first time i use this site, i don't understand how to make it standard setting for the information i post for EWB-PAlestine

any help —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amer Rabayah (talk • contribs) 14:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Please don't bite the newbies
I noticed the message you recently left to. Please remember: do not bite the newcomers. If you see someone make a common mistake, try to politely point out what they did wrong and how to correct it.

Your posting here was a bit extreme. I also noted that you began warning this new editor earlier with a Level 2 template and not a Level 1. This is a new editor who needs assistance -- he clearly does not understand how Wikipedia works. I am willing to work with him. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 14:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but my warnings were the second and third for this editor. WikiDan61 gave this editor its first warning.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * WikiDan61 posted a Speedy Delete tag, which has nothing to do with vandalism. The editor was not engaged in any vandalism prior to your arrival, so the Level 2 warning against someone with no vandalism history was a little extreme. But it really doesn't matter now, since I worked with the editor to clean up the article and get him up to speed on our policies. Thanks. Ecoleetage (talk) 19:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Apologies about my Max's Kansas City debacle!
To state the obvious, I'm still preeeeeetty new to editing -- especially anything to do with pictures -- and made several changes to the Max's Kansas City article when I should've done them as one. I'd just like to help clean up the article so it better meets Wikipedia standards. I'll take a bit more care with my edits and uploads in the future. - — khappy (talk&#124;contribs) 13:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I accept your apology. An Edit Summary would have helped me understand the deletion I reverted.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 04:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Please help clean up Hurricane Ike
You have recently edited Hurricane Ike. There was a recent bad anti-vandal edit that needs significant work to repair. See Talk:Hurricane Ike if you want to help. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  20:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the invitation, but it appears the need has passed.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 03:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Graham Fitch
Why are you sourcing unproven allegations? Slanderous material without evidence is a good way to get Wikipedia sued. If there's a court case, that's different. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It looked sourced, it was supported by the source, and I was relying on this edit.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 15:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Turkey Religion

 * Please vote at the Religion (2) section of Talk Page of the article Turkey, viewing Version 1 (my re-edited version for a neutral prospective) and Version 2, and decide which is the preferred version for the Religion section of Turkey at the below of the page, Agree or Disagree for Version 1, Thank you!!! Mohsin (talk) 15:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅, thanks for the pointer.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 16:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Golden Eaglez
You tagged Golden Eaglez for speedy deletion under G7. However, I can't see where the user requested deletion. Could you look at it please? thanks. Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 21:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The article was written by Paarty30 per its history. That same user wrote "On October 12th, 2008, the founder/captain of the Golden Eaglez, Chris Paart, resigned from his spot on the team. Along with his departure came the removal of the official Golden Eaglez website. He attempted to remove the wikipedia page as well but was denied by several bots, and instead placed a quote on the head of the page in large bold letter which pretty much says it all." in this edit.  I'm not sure he's accurate about the bots, but his intent is clear.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I've gone though the history and he is the only major contributor (anyone else was just fixing apostrophes etc.) ~ User:Ameliorate!  (with the !) (talk) 06:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 06:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Tim Taylor (character)
Please do not reverrt my edits, I mentioned in my talk page that the event I referred to did actually happen. 130.220.79.178 (talk) 03:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That information is useless without a source. And the sentence should begin "Tim", not "He", so it no longer sounds like Wilson killed himself.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 03:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism report on User:Jtnt
You got this guy blocked indefinitely. Seems neither you nor the blocking admin noticed that he did not post any spam after a final warning. My second final warning based on an earlier spam I reverted may have been misleading. Dicklyon (talk) 03:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * My concern was his autobiography (since deleted).   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 03:54, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That's not vandalism. Was he even warned about it? Dicklyon (talk) 04:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * When I tried to warn him about it, huggle decided to report him to AIV instead. I do find it hard to believe that he never saw the warnings.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 04:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ??? Huggle? I see no evidence of warning, and YOU reported him to aiv.  No matter, it'll get sorted out. Dicklyon (talk) 04:39, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Huggle reported him to AIV on my behalf in this edit. By the time I thought about whether that had been the correct course of action, he had already been blocked and his page had already been deleted.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 04:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see, Huggle is a tool. Dicklyon (talk) 04:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Andor29
I've undone the block. Two things: why is A7 being used as justification, and why did you not tell the user specifically why you were templating him? Explaining that he should be using might have helped. Regardless, I put it back on WP:AIV, if some other admin wants to nail it they can go ahead. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The articles fail to assert their own importance, and fail to include any references. I asked him for references, and he ignored me.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 06:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * A7 is for an article about a person, organization, or web content. As WP:CSD states:
 * Non-criteria - Failure to assert importance but not an A7 category. There is no consensus to speedily delete articles of types not specifically listed in A7 under that criterion.
 * -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps I should PROD them, then? Please also note that  was in the templates I put on the pages.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 06:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Go ahead, just note that within reason any editor can remove PRODs at will. You might want to just AfD the whole lot, which would at least set a precedent as well, making it mandatory to go to WP:DRV before recreation. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅, please see Articles for deletion/1991–1992 United States network television schedule (late night). Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 07:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
I notice that you tagged the page 1993–1994 United States network television schedule (late night) for speedy deletion with the reason "an article about a real person, an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject". While that's a valid reason for speedy deletion in general, this page does not qualify for speedy deletion under that criterion because television schedules do not currently come under this criterion. If you still want the page to be deleted, please consider tagging it with a speedy deletion template which does apply, redirecting it to another page, or using the WP:PROD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 10:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I notice that you tagged the page 1992–1993 United States network television schedule (late night) for speedy deletion with the reason "it was previously deleted via a deletion discussion, is substantially identical to the deleted version, and any changes do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted". While that's a valid reason for speedy deletion in general, this page does not qualify for speedy deletion under that criterion because you have not identified the previous deletion discussion. If you still want the page to be deleted, please consider tagging it with a speedy deletion template which does apply, redirecting it to another page, or using the WP:PROD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 10:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I notice that you tagged the page 1991–1992 United States network television schedule (late night) for speedy deletion with the reason "it was previously deleted via a deletion discussion, is substantially identical to the deleted version, and any changes do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted". While that's a valid reason for speedy deletion in general, this page does not qualify for speedy deletion under that criterion because you have not identified the previous deletion discussion. If you still want the page to be deleted, please consider tagging it with a speedy deletion template which does apply, redirecting it to another page, or using the WP:PROD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 10:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Jeff, I think your Huggle use was too fast and I reverted your changes related to online chat. Hope that is fine with you? - 83.254.214.192 (talk) 10:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think your use of the past tense in the word "moved" was disingenuous.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Which edit do you refer to? - 83.254.214.192 (talk) 18:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You wrote "Moved last sentence to Online discussion where it seams to fit better" in your Edit Summary for this edit at 10:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC), while the move was not actually completed until a minute later in this edit.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, have a nice day. - 83.254.214.192 (talk) 23:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

David Duke
Why did you remove truth from the David Duke article. are you a racist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.1.229 (talk) 18:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I am not. There is no room for such hatred at Wikipedia.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

That was not vandalism on Chase Utley.
Explanation requested. Faethon Ghost (talk) 02:26, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It was unsourced. You wrote "He helped the Phillies reach the 2008 NLCS." in this edit.  How did he do that, exactly?  Did his fielding, his personal best 33 home runs in the regular season, or his personal best 104 runs in the regular season help the most?    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 02:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not every bad edit is vandalism. Be a little more discerning. Dicklyon (talk) 04:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 04:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have explained it in more detail how he helped them get to the playoffs. Please feel free to add citations and improve the initial edit instead of reverting the edit and shouting vandalism. Faethon Ghost (talk) 23:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Rawr chlorene
I didn't mean to delete the page. My sister got a hold of my computer while I was doing things. I'll make sure it doesn't happen again. Rawr chlorene (talk) 22:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please logout when you are done using your computer. Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Smallville IMDb Message Board
Hello. Thanks for the newpages patrol! Regarding Smallville IMDb Message Board which you tagged for speedy deletion as a repost, I just wanted to drop by to tell you that CSD G4 only applies to pages previously deleted after discussion, at an XfD forum such as at AfD. It does not apply to pages that were only previously speedy deleted, as this article was. Note also that even when an article was previously deleted on the merits, G4 is only applicable where the reposted article is substantially identical to the deleted version and any changes in the recreated page do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted. Cheers. Terrillja (talk) 05:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that info.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your reversion to California Proposition 8 (2008)

 * Thanks for the notice, I replied there.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 19:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Eli Mattson reverts
I wanted to thank you for reverting edits by Elimattsonfan on the Eli Mattson page. A reliable person seems to have started this page and Elimattsonfan has been messing with it on and off since then. I and several others have posted legitimate edits and I notice others have reverted her posts also. She has changed mine several times. I run a fansite for Eli which is endorsed by him and his family. Anything I post is accurate unless I simply make a mistake. Her fansite is awful and innacurate and she has even started a website using Eli's name which she should not be doing - she was not given that right. I was reading up on blocking users but this is all so confusing as I am new to Wikipedia. Btw my fansite is myspace.com/fansofelimattson Wikiexpander (talk) 06:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, the level 4 warning I put on Elimattsonfan's user talk page seems to have sufficed for now.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Energy Savings Income Fund
Can you stop telling me not to edit this page? I'm not violating NPOV when the public and media consensus of the company is that it is a scam company, merely correcting a page that is so generous in its wording that I have to believe it was started by OESC or some other subsidiary internally. By the way, in deleting my edits, you also reverted a paragraph in the 'Info' section that was cited to the Toronto Star. So back off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.201.151 (talk) 20:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "leading me to label the company's buying opportunities as as scam" in this edit is blatantly your point of view. Please document your allegations on the talk page before putting them on the article page.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 20:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

That was a typo, I reverted the edit to "leading many to believe" before it was subsequently reversed. Can I continue now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.201.151 (talk) 20:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Who are these "many"? Also, if you are in fact The Thought-Fox, as you claimed in this edit, please login.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 20:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Many are the citations I was going to provide, though I admittedly should've been using the sandbox. Can I get on that now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.201.151 (talk) 20:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. Are you in fact The Thought-Fox?  Please sign your posts and use Edit Summaries.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Jeff, thanks for being quick to revert edits, particularly ones that are blatant vandalism, but the one you reverted of mine shouldn't have been changed. ~Jonathan (talk) 22:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:MOS.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hai!
Awesome job workin' at WP:AIV! Keep up the great work! :) Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  00:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, MoP!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 00:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem! :) Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  00:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

This is not vandalism - it is a valid entry properly cited.
On December 21, 1997, Barack Obama wrote a short review of William Ayers’ book A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court, which had recently been published by Beacon Press.


 * Perhaps if you actually cited the Chicago Tribune review and the Zomblog documenting it, your contribution would be more acceptable.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 00:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

jon balcourt
i undid wrong information. the composer on this page is not dead, someone vandalized his page... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.70 (talk) 01:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 01:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
for reverting the vandalism to my user talk. Double Blue (Talk) 01:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 02:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Long Beach Motor Inn Removal
You placed my wiki page on the Long Beach Motor Inn on the deletion list before I was able to finish it. Please give us writers a small amount of time, especially us new people, so we may cite our references before proposing deletion. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomblights00 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Pleave give us new page patrollers well-formed, referenced articles on notable topics. Also, please sign your posts and Edit Summaries.  Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 02:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notice.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 04:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed your error on Joan Collins as well. The mudlark person looks to be a newer user that was trying to wikilink a movie title appropriately, and took several tries to do it.  You used "rollback + huggle" to remove their good faith non-vandalistic edits (it took mudlark several attempts to wikilink correctly).  Perhaps instead of an impersonal (and incorrect) vandal warning, you could've helped the user find a resource for wikilinking properly, which he/she did successfully (eventually?).  Thanks for removing the warning from my IP talkpage. 75.161.233.85 (talk) 04:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Blair
Don't be too quick to bandy about the term "vandalism". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deal_(2003_film)#Cast

Tony Blair was born in Scotland and spent his early years there. That is a matter of fact and public record. 202.130.159.184 (talk) 04:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * My edit had nothing to do with where Tony Blair was born. Looking at it more closely I find your spelling more correct for this purpose.  Sorry.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 04:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

User Talk:Matthew Yeager
thanks  Matthew  Yeager  05:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It would be nice if I knew why you were thanking me. :)   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 05:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * revert on my talk page.  Matthew  Yeager  06:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * In that case, you're welcome!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism on Metroid

 * Simply put, I put in my reason for doing it the 2nd time around, which was considered vandalism. Which makes no sense, thank you. Bother to read the summary, that'd be nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.179.232 (talk) 05:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the second warning, I didn't read your edit summary closely enough.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Citation
Hi Jeff G. -

I didn't mean to remove content; I used a template incorrectly. Where do I read how to typeset an offset quotation? Feketekave (talk) 05:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I fixed it - see this edit.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

T-Pain edit
Hi Jeff. -

What did i do? It was at the grammys so i put wrote that it was in the Grammys, what's the problem?? (talk) 22:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, people usually change captions at the same exact time as they change images.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

User:DinoAvdic
Here you reported a user to AIV despite the fact that his edits were not vandalism. Please take greater care when reverting, warning and reporting others. لenna vecia  22:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, please see above.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Revert
You reverted me on Talk:Breast cancer here, I hope you saw the previous jibberish by this anon contributor. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I was only looking at that anon's edit and your wholesale revert of it. There were some germs of opinion and advice in it, and out of respect I thought it best to keep the paragraph and trash the fumbling, especially on a talk page.  I think that anon's actions to date have been more fumbling than vandalism, so I don't think WP:RBI applies to that anon.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

PCupdates - Response
Hi there JEFF, VASCO here again,

Thanks for your reply/technical info, i can perfectly understand that point of view, now i will "defend" myself:

I tend to update regularly on footballer infoboxes and storylines. Since the spanish league has only 1 more round to go in this month, i opted to insert the final date of the month. Anyways, rest assured, stats will be TOTALLY updated by the end of each season.

Regarding the statement "...if I can't trust your dates, how can I trust the rest of the information in those edits?" i fail to see the relation, because i did not present any storyline bit further than the day i, the person in the article and pretty much the rest of the planet were in (the 20th October 2008) and, i stress it again (never enough), all of my storyline info is always well-intended and 100% reliable (even when not referenced, which occurs when i can not find anything online to back my edits up).

Keep up the good work, sorry for any misunderstandings,

From PORTUGAL, VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 17:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * PLEASE don't use any date past the current date for pcupdate and ntupdate. Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism? J'ACCUSE!!!
Hi there JEFF, this is VASCO from PORTUGAL,

I have been an editor for almost 2 years (on the 22nd i will have my "WIKI-birthday") and, after having my share of reverted vandalism (a gigantic one i might add) and other issues, i decided to revert to my anonymous user account (217.129.67.28), also deciding to act like an anonymous philantropist, letting my deeds speak for itself, that being why i almost never write an edit summary anymore. Is it WRONG? I do not think so...

Speaking of which: You reverted two of my edits, this(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Guayre) and this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Canella), saying that the latter had been VANDALIZED by me? I urge you, my fellow user, to check this article's edit summary and also my story of editing (i repeat, user nº 217.129.67.28) to see how much i have tried, edit summaries or not, to improve the site.

Could your message be a misunderstading due to the fact i am anonymous (i had to log in to leave you this message, but work almost entirely logged out)? I hope so...

From Portugal, regards and a nice week,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 01:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Vasco, and thank you for posting here. Regarding the first edit, Template:Football player infobox AKA Template:Infobox Football biography says in plaintext:
 * "Senior club appearances and goals
 * counted for the domestic league only and
 * correct as of ."
 * You wrote "pcupdate = 31 October 2008", which was in the future when it was still "20 October 2008 (UTC)". I disputed that as factually impossible, and therefore a type of vandalism.  Regarding the second edit, you did the same thing but with wikilinks, in that you wrote "pcupdate = October 31, 2008" (I added the nowiki tags).  Such dates should be when the editor last verified the information (that date or a date in the recent past), not some date in the future.  I would have done the same for a logged-in user.  I stand by my warnings - you should not be misrepresenting current information as correct for 11 days into the future, or for any positive number of days into the future for that matter.  And if I can't trust your dates, how can I trust the rest of the information in those edits?    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 10:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

He did the same to me a second ago just because I removed an unnessacary citiaion needed tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.249.95.247 (talk) 11:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Why was that "citiaion(sic) needed tag" "unnessacary(sic)"? Why did you remove it without explanation?  Please check your spelling, sign your posts, use Edit Summaries, and create an account.  Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 16:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Original Barnstar.png
Why is this image Vandalism? Mjroots (talk) 18:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The image itself (on Commons) isn't vandalism. I considered whatever  added to its image description page on English Wikipedia at or just before 17:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC) to be vandalism, and so did the deleting admin  30 minutes later.  Please see this log for details.  Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not "reverting"
I'm just taking out Tennisexpert and Hjensen sponsoring on Rafa Nadal's article. Korlzor (talk) 17:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please discuss that on Talk:Rafael Nadal, not here. Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You've no idea what are you talking about. Check this long discussion already, 99% of the people wanted the non-sponsored style, got consensus and they're ignoring it at their own. Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tennis#Tournament_names . Korlzor (talk) 19:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry. If you had mentioned Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis as the reason for your "taking out" in your Edit Summary, I would have understood.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 19:06, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi
I think is a very plausible redirection. In my country, when people speak English they often refer to Him as "The Impostor". Do you live in an Arab country? --Againme (talk) 17:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, sorry, on further review I have withdrawn my addition to The Impostor.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, man.--Againme (talk) 21:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 19:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Deprod of Music from Salem
I have removed the prod tag from Music from Salem, which you proposed for deletion, because the article has now been referenced. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. Thanks! Unusual? Quite TalkQu  20:38, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notification. The references and external links are welcome.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert
Thanks for the revert on the Teine-ku, Sapporo article. It is appreciated. Chris (talk) 20:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Nmwelsh
I think that the Nmwelsh article may be about a notable company after all. Please see http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-17344732_ITM -- Eastmain (talk) 21:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You should mention that to the deleting admin, if you haven't already.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy removal
Just to let you know, I removed your speedy because it is not about a real person. I am reinstating the merge, have a nice day. &mdash; neuro(talk) 19:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't realize that db-bio doesn't apply to fictional people. Thanks for reinstating the merge.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 20:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

"Attack"
The other "contributor" did not add anything to the page, merely vandalized it. I removed the offending statement. Jim Steele (talk) 20:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

You reverted the statement after I deleted it. Do you want it to remain? Jim Steele (talk) 20:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I guess not.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 20:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Scaruffi's music reviews
Hi Jeff, consensus at WP:ALBUM has developed to the point where Scaruffi now seems to be deprecated as a source in the infobox, although he seems OK in the body of articles. Hasn't had wide publicity yet, and edit summaries would help! Just a heads up. -- Rodhull andemu  21:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Problem is that it isn't actual policy and still open to consensus on individual articles; however, that the parent project regards him as no longer usable is highly persuasive. Another minefield.... -- Rodhull andemu  21:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Mariah Wilkins
Hello Jeff. I noted that you tagged this article for speedy deletion almost a week ago. The author apparently removed the tag very quickly and I just saw the article. I re-tagged it and left a note on the author's talk page. As a "newbie", feel free to let me know if anything was done incorrectly. Thanks! Jim  JimVC3 (talk) 22:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It appears to have been done correctly enough to get the article deleted, thanks!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Nagendrapsingh
Why my page is being deleted and why is the incorrect page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamish_MacDonald still up? Nagendrapsingh (talk) 22:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're writing about. The article should be moved from Hamish MacDonald to Hamish McDonald, with all of its edit history intact, as soon as Hamish McDonald is deleted.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll do that now. -- Rodhull andemu  22:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * & ✅ -- Rodhull andemu  22:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but would you please finish the job and move Talk:Hamish MacDonald to Talk:Hamish McDonald? Thanks again!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, it should have moved at the same time as the article, but done now. -- Rodhull andemu  23:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Great!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

76.234.141.85
Thank you for reverting my edits. I am deeply ashamed for what I have done and have now seen the light. 76.234.141.85 (talk) 23:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid your actions speak louder than your words.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 00:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the edit to the Jimmy Hill section
Hi.

Why did you change my edit?

I understand the wiki policy regarding questionable links, but with all due respect, the link I added was entirely relevant to the wiki page (that being, I added a link to Jimmy Hill's official Sonichu website).

I apologise for the earlier edit to your talk page, I wasn't entirely sure of the correct procedure. I think I've worked it out now though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.56.250 (talk) 01:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has a rule against new and IP-based editors adding URLs containing "'\b110mb\.com\b'". See User:XLinkBot for details.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 01:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I can see that, and thanks for also pointing it out. But given Mr. Hill is the creator of this cartoon character, and that he has decided to host his webspace with a free domain, should it not be accepted that the link to his latest venture's Official website is relevant to the information? I myself am a massive fan of Sonichu, and it only seems right that given the prospective take-off of his burgeoning character, that he is fully accredited for it on the most popular reference point on the web, Wikipedia.

Thanks for the speedy reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.56.250 (talk) 01:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Beyonce
It is not vandalism. I put a source to which it says she formally wanted to change her name. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiCheckee (talk • contribs) 02:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * What source, exactly?   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 02:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

 * You're welcome!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 02:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism at large
Hi there JEFF, VASCO here,

Now, i "give you" something far more important than a mere PCUPDATE to worry about, and the only reason i am asking for your help is i dont know how to block vandals and, even if i could, would not be able to.

There was a user, more like an "unuser" called PARARUBBAS, whose MODUS OPERANDI consisted in the following: removing brackets and gluing sentences (most needed for article display) but, much much much worse, he removed LINKS and REFERENCES just because!!! Here is a list of his "contributions": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pararubbas

He was thoroughly warned by me, including in what i presume is his mother tongue, as his mine (Portuguese), and also by 2 users that greatly helped me in this one: SATORI SON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Satori_Son) and BANRAY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BanRay), and several warnings resulted in several blockings (here is his talk page, so you can see what attention he paid us http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pararubbas).

He changed IP address on a couple of times, either that or someone else had the same way of "contributing", "they" were also warned, and now returned, as "user" 92.2.200.217. First thing he did, on CARLOS CARNEIRO (Portuguese footballer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Carneiro), was remove links, refs, gluing sentences and removing brackets. Another striking coincidence is that all these different IPs work 100% on PORTUGUESE FOOTBALL, so it's bound to be PARARUBBAS.

All in all, i would highly appreciate if this "user" could be permanently banned, or at least a great great deal amount of time, even though i know he has ways of resolving the block, but at least i hope we (the good users and collaborators, anonymous or not) can give them (the vandals, the stupid contributors) a hard time.

Thank you very much in advance, from PORTUGAL, have a pleasant week,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see User talk:92.2.200.217 and SOCK.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 03:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Must be doing something right...
...to get this. Keep up the good work! =D -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Huggle has really helped me with my cluebat speed. :)   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 05:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
The Herald and News article page shouldn't be deleted. It should be expanded and developed. But I'm not going to do it until I'm confident I won't be wasting my time. (JoeTimko (talk) 21:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC))


 * Please see my reply at Talk:Herald and News.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

My edit to sex offender.
From what I was recently told, any registered sex offender in Illinois is forbidden to live or be within 1.5 miles of any place where people under 18 congregate. As far as I know, that includes but is not limited to all sub college level schools, parks, playgrounds, and daycare centers. Eborsisk (talk) 22:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Is that info from a reliable source? Can we verify it?  Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 00:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello
I've found a way round the partial ellipses.--Stereotyper (talk) 16:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Dr Acula
How can I include in the article how they are significant? They are a fairly well-known band and they deserve a page. Could you help me out with this? I would link to the page but I think it already got deleted. Help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ripka (talk • contribs) 15:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Is that info from a reliable source? Can we verify it?  Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 15:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

re: 68.45.253.51's warning level
Initally, I thought it was appropriate considering he had already vandalized the Sonic page twice. While maybe it was harsh and I should've started with the level 2 warning, his further edits of undoing my reverts and nonsense on the talk pages for myself and Thingg seem to suggest he wasn't here to contribute constructively anyway. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 16:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You could have started with a (probably appropriate in this case) or a  for a less blatant case.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 16:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Pittsburgh Climate
Pittsburgh's climate is clearly not Humid Suptropical. I have never seen a source that claimed that. If one could be found... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.26.76 (talk) 17:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see User talk:DavidWS for more information on the climatic classification of Pittsburgh. Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Bill Van Gundy
This article contains an assertion of notability, and as such, is not a candidate for speedy deletion. If you feel that it should be deleted (and I think you could make a reasonable case, if not an ironclad one), then it should go to PROD or AFD instead. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your opinion. I PRODded it instead.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Weirton West Virginia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weirton,_West_Virginia

You deleted the whole history of a city. This doesn't make any sense. Please leave the history there.


 * Where did the history come from? Is it from a reliable source?  Can we verify it?  Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) history it self, 2) yes it is available in the Mary H. Weir public Library., 3) you can verify it 3442 Main Street, Weirton, WV 26062,(304) 797-8510, You're Welcome.


 * I found an online reference, as follows: Published since 2004-10-26.
 * I have added it to the article.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 16:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Your note
In what way do you think this recent edit, fully explained on the Talk page, is unconstructive? NoCal100 (talk) 17:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You failed to mention the talk page or a source in your Edit Summary or in the text.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I was responding, perhaps too harshly, to a personal attack made against me in the previous edit summary (which also made no mention of the Talk page) Do you agree that the edit is constructive, then? If so, please undo your revert. NoCal100 (talk) 18:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The PLO appears to have amongst its membership many living persons. Per WP:BLP, we editors have to be very careful to verifiably source any negative allegations about it before placing them in its article.  In the case of the information I reverted, even after a careful reading of Talk:Palestine Liberation Organization, I didn't see sufficient sourcing, so I went further.  Here are some sources I used to justify the reversion of myself that I am about to do:, many of the sources on Dawson's Field hijackings, and many of the sources on Ma'alot massacre.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * come on. This has nothing whatsoever to do with BLP, no individual was named. It's ok to make a bad call once in a while, and then revert it. NoCal100 (talk) 19:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Jeff, I am an I/P editor dealing with Israeli Palestinian issues, a very difficult area. It requires slow patient work, and a lot of reading before one edits. In an AN/I case, where NoCal popped up, I happened to correct his confusion of 'flaunt' with 'flout'. From that day, he stalks pages I customarily edit, and reverts without intelligent reason mostly, quite consistently. I think your original revert correct. As I said, I had posted a request for comment on my proposed edit in Feb 2008, waited patiently for several months, and no one objected. As soon as I made my edit, within minutes NoCal reverted it. He knows nothing of the subject.
 * That the PLO has affiliates (the better word) rather than members, was true. There was a huge rift in that organization, with many groups, while affiliated, acting against Arafat, who became the head of that organization. Many used, as with, notoriously, the Ma'alot massacre of May 1974, a terrorist attack to undermine the PLO's head (in the same year the UN officially recognized the PLO), Arafat. In the article, acts undertaken, independently of the PLO's head and deliberative bodies by splinter groups, formerly affiliated, but forming a 'rejectionist front' in the PLO, are all attributed to the PLO, while this crucial factional infighting between Arafat's PLO and the rejectionists is ignored. It thus makes out that Arafat's PLO is responsible for acts of terrorism performed by his dissident adversaries. Every act of terrorism should be specifically assigned to the group that undertook it, and not generically to the PLO, unless the act was specifically condoned, approved or helped by the PLO. This is a matter of being historically NPOV, precise, and consistent with the books on the subject, and not using these articles to create misleading and superficial impressions.
 * I apologize for the length. I'm in no hurry to revert. Indeed I have withdrawn, as often, when I find a page is about to be troubled by editors who do not appear to understand the complexities, but who hunt round for controversial pages before informing themselves about the topic. This is obviously not your case, since I see both your first edit and second edit were in good faith. No harm done. In the long run, three or four years, these appalling pages will be improved. I should add that the PLO did engage in acts of terrorism, but not many of those frivolously attributed to them by people who don't read serious historical literature dealing with the period and that organization. Regards Nishidani (talk) 20:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Which acts of terrorism did the PLO engage in, that are not currently documented in the article? Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 21:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

MSN TV
hello, the page MSN TV needs fixing, it needs to revert back a ways before the spot where I tried to fix it, much vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by Copyrightthieveswillpay (talk) 18:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks like you got there before I did, good job!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 18:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Islam and Sikhism
Hi Jef

Kindly read the discussion page and you will notice that I am simply restoring the article which was there (yesterday) prior to the vandalism/additions/deletions of October 29th 2008 by User Talk: 90.196.3.37 alias User Talk: 117.96.174.218. All these changes were made without any discussion. Several editors have requested this user to prove/discuss his points in the discussion page first but he did not listen and this user has made several changes/additions without any discussion/consensus on October 29th 2008. Please see: So I sincerely believe that you mistook my edits, please reply otherwise I would simply restore This Version which was there on October 28th 2008 and by this way this IP will get another opportunity to discuss his reason behind all these major edits. Regards..--Irek Biernat (talk) 18:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit 1,
 * Edit 2
 * Edit 3
 * Edit 4
 * Edit 5
 * Edit 6


 * I agree with you, and I'm sorry for mistaking your edit. Please see User talk:90.196.3.37, User talk:117.96.174.218, and this edit.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 19:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your edit

 * You're welcome!   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

My recent edits on Breakout
Hey, I didn't anything wrong, look at the page, I was correcting wrong edits that a user made.--200.216.63.82 (talk) 22:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "On November 18, 2008 Cyrus released" cannot possibly be true, that date is in the future.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 22:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh My God! So sorry about this, I didn't see that, I thought that you was talking about the tracklisting, that was wrong.

Sorry again.--200.216.63.82 (talk) 23:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I accept your apology.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 23:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank You, I will pay more attention in the next time, I swear.200.216.63.82 (talk) 23:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Anon user at 152.53.13.94
Hey there. A revert you made showed up in my watchlist, that led me to see that you appear to be reverting-without-comment every edit made by the anonymous user at. While that user is clearly new and unaware of the finer aspects of Wikipedia, their edits appear to be in good faith. Some of them might even qualify as encyclopedic. I think you're doing the community a disservice by coming down so hard on an apparently well-meaning newcomer. I know vandalism fighting is a never-ending battle, and I appreciate the work you and others do on that front, but Wikipedia needs newcomers to thrive. WP:BITE, and all. Eh? — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 00:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * 2 was unsourced. 3 cannot be described as anything other than vandalism.  4 was signed.  We don't sign articles, as we don't own them.  Also, this "newbie" has 151 edits and has been editing here longer than I have.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 00:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Edits from a shared IP address can generally be assumed to be from multiple people. An IP address isn't a user.  You can't point to edit history for an IP address and claim anything about a particular user working from that IP address.  ·  Signing article edits is improper, and a common newbie mistake; failure to cite sources is also a problem; however, neither are vandalism.  Vandalism is strictly defined as deliberately making non-constructive edits.  Reverting an entire edit, and threatening a ban for vandalism, because somebody put their initials in the edit, is also improper.  Likewise, unsourced edits are not vandalism.  I think you're being very quick to call all edits from this IP address vandalism.  That troubles me.  — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 03:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Misspelling?
What misspelling? --Againme (talk) 17:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please stop creating implausible redirects. Thanks!    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

It's just the title of a book... If somebody searchs for it not knowing the author, it can be helpful, don't you think so?--Againme (talk) 17:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please don't forget to provide an edit summary.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again. I do it almost every time. Oh, you mean my edits in your own talk page, sorry fot that. But I think the main issue here is you did not answer my question regarding titles of books.--Againme (talk) 17:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, Wikipedia has a search capability for finding an author based on a book title. Were the titles of those books the main subjects of the articles you redirected them to?  Sorry, I don't have access to the deleted content.  "A girl who spreads light" could be any girl, and "A story writer on the crucifix" could be any writer.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought administrators had to read things before deleting them...--Againme (talk) 17:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * They do.  read A girl who spreads light before deleting and also read A story writer on the crucifix before deleting.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the info.--Againme (talk) 15:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

vandalism? reverted?
went to wikipedia, say that I had a message? clicked and received, "The recent edit you made to Andy Milonakis constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you.  — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 21:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)"

not me!

have a blessed day - RMargulski