User talk:Jeffactually

Welcome!
I'm going to add one link: to our conflict of interest policy. Many of your changes to the article were reverted for lack of references (see Verifiability); I have added a few, but the article desperately needs more, so if you know of any news stories that Google is not showing me, please add them, especially if they support things like the writing history.

Once more, welcome here and thanks for the effort to update the article; I hope you will stick around and contribute lots more :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia editing and it's all very overwhelming... I suppose I should start by declaring a Conflict of Interest? I'm actually Jeff Penalty, and I made some minor (but factual and unbiased) edits to the page about me. I've never wanted to cause a stir by editing my own page, but it always bummed me out that in all the years after Backstage Passport was released no one updated the language from "will be released" to "was released." :) And I thought that the release of "Backstage Passport 2" and my work on "The Hepatitis Bathtub and Other Stories" were objectively worthy of inclusion on the page. I have gone back and added a few sources for some of the information I provided. (I don't know how to verify that I drummed with The Dollyrots other than YouTube videos? And Kingston Film Fest used to have a page confirming the "Best Music Doc" award but they've taken it down, so all that's left online to prove that claim are Facebook posts made by NOFX or Fat Wreck Chords...). The page also used to include several places where my writing had appeared, but that seems to have recently been deleted due to a lack of sources. Other than Skepchick.org I don't think any of my articles are still available online, but I have archived some of them on my personal website: www.jeffalulis.com. But I assumed that using a personal website as a source might be against the rules? Anyway, if I made a faux pas by editing my own page I apologize, I definitely tried to tread very lightly and carefully. If I can be of assistance to someone objective who can edit the page instead of me, I would love to help make sure that all the information it includes is accurate (which, from the looks of things, it currently is). Thanks in advance for your patience! Jeffactually (talk) 09:12, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Jeff, I kind of suspected from the name. Thanks for the sources you added! I couldn't find the film award. Do you have the now-dead URL for the Kingston Film Fest by any chance? It may have been archived at the Wayback Machine (parameters archiveurl= and archivedate= in the citation templates :-)). The Helpme template didn't work, presumably because it's in the section header, so I'm going to ping a wiser editor than myself: . He was actually the one who took out those other sentences about your writing. What would be needed for things like "has written frequently for X, Y, and Z" is a 3rd-party article saying basically that. Is there any such article floating around? Failing that, I did find Rolling Stone mentioning you as one of 4 or 5 "well-known punk writers", or something like that - that's not marvellous but it's an impressive source so if Drmies agrees, I'll at least put that in. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:33, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Not wiser, and what Yngvadottir says is correct: we need third-party sources not just to verify that something actually happened (a link to an article could do that, I suppose), but more importantly to attest to its importance. The basic idea is this: something isn't relevant unless it's been written about, crudely speaking. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:59, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sure I will bungle the formatting and make a mess, but here's the dead link for Kingston: http://kingstonfilmfestival.org/2015-award-winners/ Here's a link to an article I wrote that was published in the Utne Reader: http://www.utne.com/arts/forget-pepsi-pass-the-moxie-original-elixir.aspx Here's a wayback machine link to one of my Swindle articles, I can dig up others if necessary: https://web.archive.org/web/20061215102035/http://www.swindlemagazine.com/issueicons/Pettibon.php Here's one of the pieces I wrote for Skepchick: http://skepchick.org/2011/04/guest-post-jeff-penalty-surly-amys-birthday/ Wayback isn't helping much with my Hurley articles...I wrote a piece for them about a Dead Kennedys show in Mexico City and I did an interview with Jack Grisham from TSOL for them if you guys know of any way to dig that kind of thing out of the internet's history. The Jack Grisham interview is posted on my personal site, don't know if that counts, but in case it helps: http://www.jeffalulis.com/2015/03/you-think-youre-punk-you-dont-know-jack.html Is there anything else I can provide or help with? And I never saw that Rolling Stone mention, do you have a link? Thanks!!Jeffactually (talk) 17:34, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was unsuccessful prying that Kingston award page out of the archives, but I did find Fat Wreck Chords announcing it, so what the heck. I also added the Rolling Stone mention, but your blog confirms that it was in connection with the upcoming book, so I made no claims based on it. I saw the article on Moxie and liked it :-) Unfortunately, in other cases where someone frequently writes newspaper and magazine articles, I've seen the sentences supported by just references to example articles get stripped out. If any third-party source mentions in passing that you've been doing this, then I think we could get away with it. If you can find one, ping Drmies again the way I did, because it's a sentence he deleted that we would be restoring. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:54, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Help me!
I had previously gotten help from Yngvadottir when inquiring about edits to a page about myself: the "Jeff Penalty" page. Hoping he can help again! It appears that the page was last edited a while back, and it mentions that I wrote NOFX's biography, saying that it is "to be published by DaCapo Press." Now that the book is out, I thought it might be worth editing the page to say "which was published by DaCapo Press on April 12th, 2016." (And if it seems worthy of inclusion: the book hit number 9 on the New York Times Best Sellers list for paperback nonfiction, and number 3 on their monthly "celebrities" list.) I didn't want to violate any rules by editing the page myself, so I'm just posting the info here since it may go unnoticed otherwise. Amazon and DaCapo Press's website can both confirm the publication date of the book, and the New York Times has archived its best seller lists, so all of that info is verifiable. Please let me know if you need help tracking down links or if any other info about myself or the book would help. Thanks!

Jeffactually (talk) 05:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I've updated the line with the publication date. I'm trying to find some sources for the book's ranking to include them in the article, I should have some time later in the day to do so. I'm leaving the ((help me)) template up, maybe there are others that can offer help. Have a good one! Marjoleinkl (talk) 11:30, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi again Jeff— has added both pieces of information now, so I've canceled out the help template :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 14:37, 14 September 2016 (UTC)