User talk:JeffreyW75

Hi Jeff, I noticed your comment on the Sandbox about the instructions there not being clear. You're right. of course, but then the Sandbox is basically just a page that anyone can play with to try out techniques rather than being a full-blown "how-to" guide - half the time the "instructions" on there are missing anyway (because someone has ignored the request to leave the header alone and not delete it). The links below might be more helpful, particularly "How to edit a page":


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There are much more detailed help pages on things like creating Wikitext or formatting tables, mostly these are in the "Help" namespace, for instance Help:Wikitext or Help:Table.

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Reply: Thanks, I created this (and other photos) myself with a camera. I indicated this in the file information I uploaded, but don't quite understand how to indicate the license status otherwise.

Christian
Hi, sorry we're butting heads on Christian - I'll try to explain what's going on as far as my reversion. My main concern is that the article is full of what is called original research, that is, people just type whatever sounds about right to them. Any sources are added after the fact, in an attempt to provide legitimacy. Sometimes this is done because the person wants to make the article accurate, which is a wonderful motive to have, however, what seems accurate to one person may not seem that way to another. This is why Wikipedia has a saying that may sound somewhat jarring: "Verifiability, not truth". It means that our goal isn't to be "right", since it will be impossible for everyone to reach consensus on what is "right". Rather, we focus on accurately reporting what reliable sources are saying.

In other words, if you have a reliable source that actually uses your definition of Christian, great, then submit it. The BBC source isn't great, but it's what we have. But don't write a definition and then add a source to it if the source doesn't use that definition. When I asked for a source, I was hoping you'd rise to the challenge and find a better source than the BBC, because this article really needs one. Otherwise it's just different people writing what "sounds about right" to them, and they will inevitably end up in conflict. I'll readily admit the article, along with many others in the Christianity project, has lots of original research and I try to whittle it down when I can... but let's not add more original research to it, ok?

Also, about the examples thing. The description of Trinitarianism is not meant as examples, it uses as broad terms as possible in an attempt to describe the entire movement, since the vast majority of Trinitarians belong to Catholiorthodotestantism. Putting JW as an example of non-Trinitarianism places undue emphasis on them as being representatives of all non-Trinitarians, over others such as Oneness Pentecostal, Christadelphians, Unitarians, Latter-day Saints, etc... to list Jehovah's Witnesses all by themselves would be equivalent to listing Methodists all by themselves instead of using the blanket term "Protestants". I hope statistically and theologically you can see that JW does not represent the breadth of non-Trinitarianism. If there was 1-3 "isms" that covered most of non-Trinitarianism I'd be fine with using it, but thus far I can't think of one... at least the phrase "nontrinitarians" IS linked, so the user can click it to see a comprehensive list (same as with Protestantism).

-- Joren (talk) 06:14, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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Request for help at Christianity
Hi Jeffrey,

I noticed your involvement at Christian and you appear to be a welcome fair-minded contributor. Recently I presented a case for adding a qualifier (the word generally) in the opening sentence to identify that not all Christians are strictly monotheistic and so the present exclusive wording would be both insensitive, inaccurate, and likely founded in POV. I seem to have a counter-contributor who at past articles has made it almost impossible for me to find consensus with the other contributors. The discussions always turn out TLDNR. I have offered to remove myself from the discussion so as not to drag the discussion down, but I would be appreciative if you would look at the discussion and I will leave it to you to do the right thing by the principle raised. If nothing, I would appreciate your honest feedback as to whether I am in fact pushing an agenda as I am accused of doing. I am not stupid enough to believe what my opponents say about me, but neither am I naive enough to figure I am always in the right.-- Canad iandy  talk  06:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Candiandy, I agree. I think too many people have come to wikipedia with their limited understanding of christianity and the diversity of views, and have instead made the article into something palatable with their limited views, either intentionally or just out of years of learning and not asking. If they want a religious article that agrees with their views, they should create it on a religious website, not wikipedia. I'm all for making this article in wikipedia as inclusive as possible. Enough of the narrow viewpoints.

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I guess I don't understand what you are saying. I took the photograph myself at a public museum, and I'm not asserting any copyright over the photograph. I don't know how to put that any more clearly in my description, as it already says that. JeffreyW75 (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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