User talk:Jeni/Archives/2011/September

All caps for regional directions on UK road signs
They need to be reduced from ALL CAPS to some other case per MOS:CAPS, full stop. As I explained before, US road signs use Title Case for directions, yet on Wikipedia, we have to conform to the MOS, which does not allow Title Case in that instance. Now, SOUTH WALES is not a direction, but a place, just like Southern California is a place, but there is no exception in the MOS to allow "SOUTH WALES" just because that is how it is rendered on the road sign, just as there is no exception to allow us to use "US 131 North" even though that is how it is rendered on the road sign here. In both cases, contrary to the road sign, the correct way to type it out on Wikipedia, per the Manual of Style would be "South Wales" and "US 131 north".  Imzadi 1979  →   17:37, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * South Wales is a place, SOUTH WALES is a direction. As I said, the regional directions are sourced as they are and your changes cause confusion. Please stop being disruptive and taking us round in circles for years on end. Jeni  ( talk ) 17:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Read MOS:CAPS. Here, I'll copy it for you here:
 * "Regions that are proper nouns, including widely known expressions such as Southern California, start with a capital letter. Follow the same convention for related forms: a person from the Southern United States is a Southerner."


 * "Directions (north, southwest, etc.) are not proper nouns and do not start with a capital letter. The same is true for their related forms: someone might call a road that leads north a northern road, compared to the Great North Road."


 * "If you are not sure whether a region has attained proper-noun status, assume it has not."


 * "Most adjectives derived from proper nouns should be capitalised, e.g.: 'the English people', 'the London commuter belt', but 'cheshire cheese', 'french polish'."
 * Sorry, no exception there for what you propose. Looking at WP:ALLCAPS, which is a subsection a little bit down that page, you'd read: "Avoid writing with all capitals. Reduce them to one of the other title cases." Still no exception  Imzadi 1979   →   17:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)