User talk:Jenova20/Archive 8

Talkback
I like to keep things all on one page... :) --Yellow1996 (talk) 01:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Ey!
ey, i'm the guy you reverted 5 edits from rivertone's page. So, what's happening boy! you send an Irish cat, & my gift of words you removed? do you put it under vandalisation? aye, you remember last time you helped anyone on street? no? don't you think it's time check the streets regularly? your London street needs you. try building some of cameroon's policies, what will you achieve sending this 'rivertorch' with picture of irish cat? oh man, i think you've got nice place to wander around. so, utilize it. not all people are that lucky as you. you've got whole world around you, if you just change to a more freindly way in real world. hope for the best. that's all i wanted to say. the choice is yours. & hey, don't hesitate at all. life isn't about not doing wrong. say hello to dad & mom from my side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.16.157 (talk) 00:43, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry but i tend to revert insults and vandalism when i see them. I can see this is causing a problem for you as i have removed your hard work. Please message me in English in future so i can better know if i should keep your messages or delete them as nonsense. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 08:20, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

looks like you're too busy in homosexual activity to recognise a english written para. when are you going to become a parent? you smooch your boyfriend or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.17.82 (talk) 10:15, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * No, i've got time to try again! We've stopped the "homosexual activity" so i can go to work for the time being. And unfortunately we have tried but cannot conceive, so that only leaves adoption or surrogacy if one of us doesn't eventually get pregnant.
 * Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 10:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.22.52 (talk) 23:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

if you had time sometime, see the video, & then do watch the comments. they are so amazing comments out there, that they sould be awarded best comments in single video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nmqBvWeFl4


 * The comments are certainly better than her singing. If she can't sing for shit then why record herself failing and post it on YouTube? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you ask me. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 23:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

yeah, that's why all those comments deserves to be there. now, the new comments are not very extreme, but the old one's were amazing(1 day old) from right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.22.134 (talk) 13:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * What do you mean when you say the comments deserve to be there? I'm not saying they don't. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 13:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

that's why i said "yeah". i didn't said "no", either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.29.14 (talk) 14:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I misread then. No biggie ツ Jenova 20  (email) 14:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

so, would you like to tell me why do you transformed yourself from male to gay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.18.197 (talk) 00:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Transformed? There's no trade off between the two. It is possible to be both ツ Jenova 20  (email) 20:15, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

not at all! a real man is always atracted to a woman &nothing else. he's very eager to shwo "only a female" how manly he is, & prove himself! satisfying a lady is the only verification & proof that you're a man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.17.203 (talk) 02:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow, are you actually talking about this as fact? Because of course it is fact that straight people only have straight kids...Gay people only have gay kids...Etc
 * I'm more worried that you think women exist only to please men and that you have to prove how manly you are to them...If your aim was a 1950s attitude you succeeded!
 * I dread to think how you go about "proving" your manliness to them =P ツ Jenova 20  (email) 08:22, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

you have a good ability to turn topics, but that doesn't make you a man, besides, i don't see a women as an "item" so, i'll just say, you also knew that i do not think that way, just for the sake of turning your talk, you wrote that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.19.11 (talk) 19:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


 * No, i don't know you at all. That is the point of anonymous trolls. They're anonymous. Now if you wish to discuss your misunderstandings of sexuality more then i have to assume based on our previous correspondence that: (A:) You have no qualifications in the field. (B:) Have a lot of spare time. (C:) Seemingly enjoy talking to other random gay men on the internet, while trying to steer the conversation to girls every so often (You know, to ensure your masculinity, etc).
 * I could speculate a lot more than that but choose not to. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 08:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Formal request
You are hereby requested to never edit my user talk page again. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 15:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Fine with me. The discussion can take place at Talk:Homosexuality without any more additions to your talk page. I'd reread those policies i pointed out though since you are at 3 reverts in just 5 hours. And if you don't want to be templated, then don't edit war even after i warned you about it. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 15:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest you not worry about what other users are doing and focus on writing the encyclopedia. On the other hand, if you're planning on being a dickhead admin, you're well on your way. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 16:04, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

lol, amazing man! one more support for you from my side, Nathan Johnson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.17.203 (talk) 01:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Audi V8
THe article is a GA nominee. I initially had reviewed the article, but since the article involves some technicalities, it would be helpful if you further review this article as you have a better expertise on dealing with the subject. Suri 100 (talk) 05:44, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't make a good reviewer, although i am flattered by you saying i have "expertise" at this =D Woo hoo! I'm useful again!
 * I'll take a look through the article, but the best thing to do is work on the GA Review and the issues it bought up Here. I'll see what i can do to help though. Thanks and good luck Suri 100! ツ Jenova 20  (email) 08:16, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks =)
Thanks for having a look at the New Brighton Tower article, I worked hard on that! Cheers, ツStacey (talk) 09:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * No worries, i've only made a few minor changes. If i spot anything else i'll help out where i can. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 09:18, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * At the moment I am trying to get photos.. I don't suppose you know much about commons? I haven't got a clue on copyright issues... ツStacey (talk) 11:18, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you need more than 3 images in that article? It's only small at the moment. Dave's a better person to ask anyway. He taught me. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 14:10, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Concensus
You wrote "Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus." See here:WP is NOT a democracy. Consensus is not required. We editors are pretty much free to edit as we wish and see the need. We do not have to agree with mergers et al. Have a great day.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 22:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Since you don't appear to have, i'll read what you just quoted to me.
 * "Wikipedia is not an experiment in democracy or any other political system. Its primary (though not exclusive) means of decision making and conflict resolution is editing and discussion leading to consensus".
 * That's WP is NOT a democracy for you.
 * Now on the reason i templated you, that article you unmerged is a rebadged Fiat Ducato as is the Peugeot Boxer. In this situation the articles are merged to avoid 3 identical articles, just as the Eurovans and countless other vehicles (Berlingo and Partner are another example).
 * So please familiarise yourself with a few of our basic policies on those templates, it's definitely useful to know.
 * Thanks and have a nice day ツ Jenova 20  (email) 08:26, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Re: Infobox engines appear duplicated
Hi. I removed them from the infobox, in order for the template to have a similar layout to the Infobox automobile template documentation, which does not recommend including valve numbers, power levels or commercial designations of the engines there. (Also the letter "L", instead of "-litre".) It's true that it now shows the three diesel engines with the same description and, following the same conventions, it should be corrected to display only one. The more detailed information about the engines is found in the engines section, located a little below within the article, which can easily be accessed from the table of contents. I think that all the infoboxes should generally use the same layout and the reference for that is the template documentation. Regards, BaboneCar (talk) 11:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The L- thing instead of Litre was a recommendation from one of the Peer Reviews. I've had about two of them and there is links to them on the talk page of the article. I've used multiple articles to craft the infobox, which is probably where the differences have come from. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 11:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Your userboxen confuse me
You are economically left, socially libertarian, anti-religion... and support the Tories???? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * They made the best case economically and logically at the last election so yeah, and I'm happy with the changes on the whole. Why vote Labour who refused me the right to get married and don't know how to run an economy? The Conservatives can do both and David Cameron is dragging the neanderthals in the party out of the last century. I suppose the only other option was the Lib Dems who want to give an amnesty to possibly a few million illegal immigrants. Lunatics.
 * I'm not a die hard supporter, I'll decide on the basis of who makes the best case on the way to election time. So far Labour are making spending commitments they can't afford (again) and refusing an EU referendum (as are the Lib Dems), so it looks like I'll be rewarding David Cameron and his equal marriage bill with my vote in 2 years.
 * Sorry about the wall of text ツ Jenova 20  (email) 19:00, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Doctor Who Nightmare In Silver title card.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Doctor Who Nightmare In Silver title card.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. (ESkog)(Talk) 15:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

RFC on LGBT rights in Africa
Some time ago you participated in a dispute resolution discussion at Dispute resolution noticeboard/Archive 53. I have just opened an RFC on the same content issues at Talk:LGBT rights under international law. —Psychonaut (talk) 12:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Coalition for Marriage edits
Hi,

You really need to take a step back from the C4M page, as it is clear that your edits are not independent and that you have a vested interest against said topic. We should be seeking to include all encyclopaedic content and so your deletions of good edits which provide more information and are properly referenced need to stop - otherwise this platform is not providing objective and correct information - its one core aim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RackinRibs (talk • contribs) 16:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Where to start?


 * First things first, if i see another threat on my talk page from you I will attempt to have you blocked.
 * Secondly you should to type " ~ " at the end of a message to sign your name.
 * Now, if you read the article history you will see that i added the majority of that referenced information and have attempted to stop others deleting it on many occasions, including the most recent.
 * Read WP:AGF and WP:Personal Attack, which you have failed to adhere to in that message above.
 * You do not own the article. just as i do not. Disputes are better solved through a consensus and i found your recent edit to be highly controversial. Such a thing is allowed on Wikipedia and not solved by threatening another editor, but instead by discussion.
 * Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 16:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

There was no threat in my message. Just a request that you allow information that you might disagree with. Many thanks for accepting revisions. I'm sure we can work together to improve the page in the long term. RackinRibs (talk) 16:44, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

C4M
You shouldn't threaten me with a block. I made two correct edits. Cranmer's blog is not a criticism of C4M so is not relevant. And those polls do not show clear support for same-sex marriage, but more slim support or a split as I added. Your edits are obviously biased. Please remember this is an encyclopaedic entry. Crayfishvictoria (talk) 15:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You are currently attempting to edit war over your removal of content. I did not place that section under the criticism header but did revert your blatant deletion of it. If you wish to reclarify the poll results as different from what the citations say then please provide a reference. Your opinion does not count as factual evidence. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 15:53, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

The poll provides evidence of slim support, not clear support as you added. Crayfishvictoria (talk) 15:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * 54 versus 45 is not a "clear split" as you wrote, it is a majority, slim or not, and in some polls quite big. The old wording of "general support" is still accurate in respect to this. The references are pretty clear on this so please revert yourself and restore the paragraph you deleted. You have created WP:Original Research and the sources do not support your wording change which is clearly biased. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email)

August 2013
Your recent editing history at Coalition for Marriage shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Alexf(talk) 12:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Futurama Friend!
I remember you gave me a (V)(V)... wouldn't you have a Bender over there? Can you teach me how to do it? Also, when I visit Old Havana I am planning to take a picture of a graffiti of the best robot ever ( which is Bender of course), and add it to his article. Thanks in advance!  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  14:27, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's my Bender =P
 * If you do take a photo of the Bender graffiti then let me know so i can see it as i'd be very interested.
 * Thanks and have a nice day ツ Jenova 20  (email) 14:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hehehe nice joke :P. I will let you know as soon as I have taken the picture :D. So I guess you don't have a funny Bender made with symbols? Don't worry, it's ok! See you around :D

PS:By the way, I've just finished to watch 6th Season. And... I love The Simpsons too!!  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  14:42, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I grew out of the Simpsons years ago personally, and i'm very disappointed that Futurama has been cancelled again ( is this the second or third time? ). I could try and make a Bender but i didn't actually make the Zoidberg, just copied it. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 15:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * They cancelled Futurama again ZOMG... They don't know what they are doing.  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:06, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * No they don't. At least Futurama is funny, the Simpsons got old years ago. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 08:21, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * My favourite Simpsons' episode is when U2 appears :)  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  12:28, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Strange enough, I could have probably guessed that =P ツ Jenova 20  (email) 15:28, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Yup, I mean.. it's not the best episode but my fav band is there, so I like it :P. The best part? When U2 staff kicks Homer's butt :P  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  15:39, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Precious
  gay village

Thank you, colourful WTT graduate who likes pink, for quality articles such as Citroën C3 Picasso and other cars, for projects such as Birmingham Gay Village, for being "constantly dismayed ..." and collecting evil creatures with love, for editor retention, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That's very generous of you =D
 * It's been quite a while since i've got any awards, and this is my most valuable yet! Thank you very much and have a nice weekend! ツ Jenova 20  (email) 16:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to that club, a colourful mix of people! Look for Birmingham on my talk ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You like Birmingham topics? Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 19:54, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I heard that concert when I thought a friend who lives there was banned. He took the picture (which appeared in the SignPost) and wasn't banned (I learned that arbs can change their votes, didn't know that, new to arbcom). Then the music sounded as cheerful as the composer intended, after all, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Your Talk page tabs
Hi, I love the tabs at the top of your Talk page. Is it OK to copy it for my own talk page or is that 'out-of-line'? Cheers Melbourne3163 (talk) 22:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I already stole them from Reaper Eternal so go for it =P
 * They require a few more pages than it seems. I think they are:


 * User:Jenova20/Colourbar add1 to the end of that article title/ add 2/ add 3/add 4/add 5
 * Good luck ツ Jenova 20  (email) 22:56, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for the kitten! You can have one too! No one needs reasons for kittens! I'm glad you appreciate my work on the reference desk. I'd like to do more in the article space, but so far I haven't run into an article (or lack of an article) that has pushed me into putting work into it.

K ati e R (talk) 14:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC) 


 * Well, i've got quite a few in progress listed on my userpage, although i'm not sure if any would interest you or if you wanted to collaborate on one together? Thanks very much for the Kitty ツ Jenova 20  (email) 15:20, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Your user page
Hi Jenove. I have taken the liberty of reposting some of your content from User:Jenova20/Criticism of the Daily Mail and Mail Online at my own collection User:John/Is the Daily Mail a reliable source?. I hope that's ok and of course you are welcome to copy any of my content. --John (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's a lot of work you've done! I'll take a look through. Is that for an essay or a future article titled "Is the Daily Mail a reliable source"? Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 18:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Good question. Probably it will remain a user page for now, but I might use some of them on the Daily Mail article; I'm sort of dubious about User:Collect's claim that the Guardian and the Mail are successfully sued equally frequently and am awaiting some evidence to that effect. It may also come in handy if we need to hold an RfC to underline the community's acceptance that the Mail is an unsafe source for BLPs, something that it has become apparent we may need to have. --John (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I remember hearing something about it somewhere once been on a list of unreliable sources (or something to that effect) but I can't remember exactly. I'm watching the Daily Mail and Mail Online pages anyway. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 17:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Check the PCC site itself for numbers of complaints. In 2012, over 12,000 complaints were lodged. Of these in only 101 was the Code breached. Looking at June 2013, for example, there were fewer than 61 separate complaints against the DM. None were found to be a breach of standards by the PCC. Daily Telegraph 34 - no breach. Virtually every major paper is in the list ... and no breaches were adjudicated by the PCC. "The Sun" did have one case where remedial action was taken. In May 2013, only one case was "adjudicated upheld" - against the "South Wales Argus". Similar numbers for other months. I used "separate cases" as sometimes 20 complaints were made for the same article -- the Daily Mail is the only paper to attract "mass complaints" for trivial stuff like a "2 Day Diet" which was complained about etc. No sign of breaches of the Code, nor any of defamation that I could find. Yo are welcome to do the stats -- the Telegraph and Sun have comparable actual figures to the DM, and the Guardian has up to 1/2 the complaints. In point of simple fact, almost all of the complaints verge on the ludicrous :(. To assert the DM has an unusual number of libel losses does not compute.  Even The Times lost to Lance Armstrong.  Collect (talk) 18:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The PCC refused to do anything about the Stephen Gately column from Jan Moir, which was clearly not appropriate or acceptable. Is that a good example of the PCC doing its job when complaints are given? Hardly the best example you could have given Collect. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 19:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You seem intent on using anecdotal evidence where solid official evidence contradicts your claims. Cheers. Collect (talk) 20:46, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Some PCC statistics here

"Some of the results here – that The Sun and The Mail would be far in the lead in terms of number of complaints, for example, and that the The Sport would be full of breaches – are to be expected." -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:24, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

However, the percentage of complaints upheld by the PPC isn't a good measure to judge newspapers. For instance, there's the fact that:

Three newspaper editors are represented on the Commission: those of The Sunday Telegraph, The Sunday Mirror and The Mail on Sunday – coincidentally the three papers least likely to have complaints upheld against them in adjudication. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:28, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The number of complaints is a valid measure, but the number of cases upheld is not; only a miniscule number of complaints actually are upheld (in the region of one percent), often due to sufficient 'remedial action' being offered (i.e. typically a postage-stamp sized retraction buried within the paper). -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Chairman of the PCC’s Editor’s Code of Practise Committee and Daily Mail Editor, Paul Dacre, has promised to fully investigate complaints about a Daily Mail article he personally approved."PCC’s Paul Dacre to ‘fully investigate’ Daily Mail story he completely approved of" News Thump

Also, there's the matter of illegal news-gathering techniques to consider.

In 2006 the Information Commissioner named the Daily Mail among newspapers which had dealt with a firm of private investigators involved in the illegal trade of personal information. The report, What Price Privacy Now?, said the Mail had used the firm the most - with 952 transactions by 58 journalists.
 * Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre 'never approved hacking' BBC News, 18 July 2011 -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Top offenders identified in Operation Motorman. For the full list see: "What Price Privacy Now? p.9
 * Daily Mail 952/58
 * Sunday People 802/50
 * Daily Mirror 681/45
 * Mail on Sunday 266/33
 * News of the World 182/19
 * Sunday Mirror 143/25


 * Best Magazine 134/20
 * Evening Standard 130/1
 * The Observer 103/4
 * Daily Sport 62/4
 * Sunday Times 52/7
 * The People 37/19


 * Daily Express 36/7
 * Weekend Magazine (Daily Mail) 30/4
 * Sunday Express 29/8
 * The Sun 24/4
 * Closer Magazine 22/5
 * Sunday Sport 15/1


 * (Number of transactions positively identified/Number of journalists or clients using services.)

Further reading: Nick Davies (2009) Flat Earth News: An Award-winning Reporter Exposes Falsehood, Distortion and Propaganda in the Global Media p.273 -- Hillbillyholiday talk 03:03, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * And what does the "invasion of privacy" issue have to do with whether it is generally a "reliable source" per WP:RS? OORC, The Guardian is in competition with other newspapers, and, as such, is a teensy bit likely to dislike them.   AFAICT from PCC data etc., there is no reason to believe the DM is unreliable as a source, only that for some reason it attracts multiple unfounded complaints over many articles -- which rather shows the dislike some have for it more than it shows unreliability per WP requirements.  And his book ranks an astounding 805,738 at Amazon .  Which the ever-reliable Guardian calls "best-selling" of course    Collect (talk) 08:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."
 * Does the Mail have a reputation for "fact-checking and accuracy"? Or do they in fact have a reputation for racism (even the BNP think the Mail are insanely racist!), religious intolerance, homophobia, bullshit cancer scare-stories, etc, etc... How many times have their actions ruined someone's life?
 * Amazing how much "anecdotal" evidence seems to be out there. You don't think that the illegal gathering of personal information is a problem? It's harassment, stalking and further evidence that this news group in particular is almost completely amoral. Time and time again, they have demonstrated that they simply do not care about the truth, so why should they be used in an encyclopedia? -- Hillbillyholiday talk 09:28, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The PCC is a joke, as has been amply demonstrated above. I already mentioned that Paul Dacre sits on the committee! (As does Geordie Greig of The Mail on Sunday)-- Hillbillyholiday talk 09:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Zero breaches after hundreds of complaints = a reasonable expectation that the source is reliable. The BNP;'s opinion is worth bupkis.   That you dislike the PCC is of no import at all -- what we have here is simply "ODONTLIKETHEDAILYMAIL THEREFOREITMUSTBE BANNED"  which fails any test found in WP:RS for sure.  Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:08, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * "Did the PCC fail when it came to phone hacking?" Media Standards Trust (Answer: Yes)
 * "Leveson Inquiry: PCC investigation 'was whitewash'" BBC News
 * "Press Complaints Commission to close in wake of phone-hacking scandal" Guardian


 * David Cameron today and Ed Miliband yesterday were in uncommon agreement that it must be ditched. Baroness Buscombe, its chairman, never looked remotely up to the task of holding a newspaper out of control to account. For what, the Baroness plaintively asked, could she do if lied to by senior figures in the press? This is truly pathetic. "Absent, ineffective, lacking in rigour," was Mr Cameron's judgement.


 * "The Press Complaints Commission is another victim of the phone hacking scandal" Economist -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:58, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Thoughts for a new article
I'm thinking about making a new article about films related to hate crime murders called List of Films about Hate Crimes. I was going to divide it into sections. So far I have Black, Asian, Native American, Jewish and LGBT. I am also more than willing to admit that at this time the list is incredibly americentric which is not my intention. Here is the list so far Blacks: Sins of the Father, Attack on Terror, Mississippi Burning, Murder in Mississippi, Neshoba, Blood Done Sign my Name, Two Towns of Jasper and Jasper Texas. Asians: Who Killed Vincent Chin?, Vincent Who? Native Americans: Thunderheart, Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, A Place called Chiapas. Jewish: The People vs. Leo Frank, Betrayed, Talk Radio, Crown Heights, Brooklyn Babylon and for LGBT I have Any Mother's Son, Boy's Don't Cry, The Brandon Teena Story, Anatomy of a Hate Crime, The Laramie Project, The Matthew Shepard Story, Laramie Inside Out, Matt Shepard is my Friend, Soildier's Girl, A Girl Like Me, Clapham Junction and Accesory to Murder. I was hoping you could do two things for me. A) Add some UK films and B) Expand the LGBT section and others if you can. Thanks:)-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 01:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I like that!
 * 2001 Maniacs - people killed for not being from the South in America. Features racism and homophobia also.
 * Nightmare on Elm Street (lol) - youngsters targeted because of what their parents did. Ageism.
 * That's all I can think of atm but I'll look properly at work ツ Jenova 20  (email) 07:27, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Those are not exactly what I was thinking about but I know you and I know you will come up with some great films.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 07:40, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll do better when I'm awake properly. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 07:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Torch Song Trilogy. Rivertorch (talk) 10:46, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Very appropriate =D
 * I'm going to post this at the LGBT Wikiproject page also. Thanks Rivertorch ツ Jenova 20  (email) 10:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
-- benlisquare T•C•E 14:59, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Translated, see WPJAPAN. -- benlisquare T•C•E 11:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia world headquarters
I was told of a possible solution to this problem. More here.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 13:22, 17 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link. I'll check in from time to time. I don't really have ample time to contribute a lot though. Thanks again ツ Jenova 20  (email) 13:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)


 * If you noticed the date, no one has bothered to do anything in months. But I made the proposal, sort of.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)


 * And you may not have noticed. I made a mistake on that link, so you couldn't tell which topic I posted on.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:48, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Personal attack opinion
Thanks for your input on comment on person rather than content. Please read the Wiki guidance that describes that as a personal attack.Patroit22 (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I've read it many times. And i agree with Andy's comment following yours. You didn't get your way in a disagreement on the talk page and struck out, calling the perceived censorship of the information you wish to add a "farce" (an insult to the discussion and every contributor).
 * Saying you are "out of touch" with the rest of the contributors to that discussion would therefore be factually accurate, since you currently have no support for the changes you want.
 * If you want to disagree with that analysis, that's fine, but clearly you need a better argument on the talk page. This is just a distraction from your lack of consensus. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 17:23, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Jenova20 These comment are directed at me and not my comments and appear to be a separate personal attack. What is the basis? Am I am missing something?Patroit22 (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * If you're accusing me of a personal attack now then you need to read that policy. And yes, you are missing something. Read the comments people have made again. Not everything is a personal attack, some of it is constructive criticism. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 18:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

No, this was not accusing you of a personal attack but your posts seem to question whether  comments on contributors rather than contents comply with Wiki standards. Ciao. Patroit22 (talk) 17:55, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Some people don't understand diplomacy. Ciao ツ Jenova 20  (email) 18:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Jenova Comments on another talk page about me trolling are unfounded.Patroit22 (talk) 19:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Where the sun don't shine....
For goodness sake, don't encourage him! (I LOL'd though...) Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  21:48, 23 October 2013 (UTC)


 * For the most part i think he's doing good and his (Sometimes) short fuse is completely understandable. I've seen a lot of IPs and even registered users trying to kick him when he's down (And even bring him down to be able to kick him when he's down) and me being part of Wikiproject Editor Retention, i think that's terrible. I'd rather we slap the trolls upside the head and defend productive users from them, rather than allow the free-for-all that can force good editors away (stress and annoyance, etc).
 * We can encourage users to be productive and assimilate them into this culture, but they need to learn the behavioural norms around here. I had to learn too, and so should they. If they refuse to get along, attempt to bait others, troll, misinterpret, and attack, then they should be dealt with. Some of them get too many chances and more rope to hang themselves than they need.
 * I'm glad you got a laugh from that post, it appears to have unfortunately been taken down... Thanks and have a nice day/night Kim ツ Jenova 20  (email) 23:05, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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Happy Halloween!

 * Thank you very much Dainomite! ツ Jenova 20  (email) 16:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

That's 2

 * Thanks you very much Miss Bono and have a happy halloween! ツ Jenova 20  (email) 19:45, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh you too We don't celebrate it here, but I wish we did. Have an awsome day... or night in the UK. :D  Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  19:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Haven't seen a single trick or treater all night! You jinxed it! That's it! Halloween is cancelled now! No worries, i'll eat the sweets myself ツ Jenova 20  (email) 22:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

User:AfricaTanz is back
It looks like he removed material from Senegal before going on vacation and then restored it on his November 1 return.. I reverted it (and then forgot I had done so, and reverted what turned out to be my own reversion, so now I've re-deleted it again).

Also, this discussion I initiated on his talk page and my follow-up on my talk page in case he decides to address me there when he feels like it. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like you handled it pretty well and with a good explanation. The user has responded by banning you from his/her talk page though...I'll stick the article on my watchlist to keep an eye on it.
 * Thanks for the heads up Largo plaza ツ Jenova 20  (email) 19:16, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN
I suggest you review the above rule. You are not above it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.181 (talk) 13:24, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


 * If you want to delete three quarters of an article then the Burden is on you to prove your point and give good reasoning, not on the person reverting your deleting. Discuss the issue on the talk page rather than constantly reverting people and deleting content or next time i'll be templating your talk page for vandalism. Thanks ツ Jenova 20  (email) 14:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

ANI post for AfricaTanz
See Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. —Largo Plazo (talk) 19:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll be keeping a very close eye on this. Thank you very much Largoplazo ツ Jenova 20  (email) 19:52, 11 November 2013 (UTC)