User talk:Jerem43/Archive 6

Reassess Corn dog
Care to reassess Corn dog? One small step for F&D Geoff (talk) 14:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

June 2008
Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content, as you did to Korean cuisine. Blank pages are harmful to Wikipedia because they have a tendency to confuse readers. If it is a duplicate article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If the page has been vandalised, please revert it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please edit the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy for how to proceed. Badagnani (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content, as you did to Korean cuisine. Blank pages are harmful to Wikipedia because they have a tendency to confuse readers. If it is a duplicate article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If the page has been vandalised, please revert it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please edit the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy for how to proceed. Badagnani (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Your attempt at retaliation for my report of your three-r violation is a thinly veiled attempt to make me look like the bad guy. Won't work. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 20:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I will second that this was not blanking, blanking has a completely different definition than removal of inappropriate tags. Especially when there seems to be an effort on Wikipedia to stop the excessive use of different tags as they are disruptive to both editors and readers.--Chef Tanner (talk) 22:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Could you help?
The article Burger King legal issues is undergoing a featured article review and I would like some assistance in insuring the Burger King Corporation v. Hungry Jack's Pty Limited ([2001] NSWCA 187) is properly cited and factually correct. Searching through the WP:AUSLAW project I came across your page.

Your user page says you are a law student in Australia, thus you have a serious leg up on me in the area. Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

The FAC discussion is here

Thank you for your time, --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 19:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw that mentioned on the Australian law WikiProject talk page. I think you've got the facts essentially right there, but the section's a little weak on the actual legal significance there, it could do with a little clarification. It's actually quite an interesting case so I'm putting together a draft article on it, which shouldn't take too long, and then I'll work on the summary section. --bainer (talk) 02:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

‎Tabil
I have speedily deleted your notice on ‎Tabil per CSD A3. If you wish to request that an article be created, please visit WP:RA. Cheers, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 20:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you and Please?
Hey, thanks for reassessing Odwalla. Do you have any suggestions I could work with and/or do you want to help? Any help would be much appreciated! Intothewoods29 (talk) 15:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Shoulda checked there :p Intothewoods29 (talk) 16:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. Sorry to bother you, but could you look over Odwalla again. I think hope I'm getting close to GA, but it'd be nice to have another opinion. I think I've addressed all of the comments you left on the page. Thanks. :) Intothewoods29 (talk) 17:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi again again. Thanks for putting Odwalla up for peer review. I noticed you had a few comments on how I could improve the article? Any criticism would help! Gracias. Intothewoods29 (talk) 18:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

TenderCrisp
I'm saving myself for the TC Bacon Cheddar Ranch.  young  american (wtf?) 17:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Withdrawing FAC
The Burger King legal issues was archived only four days ago, and has seen only two edits in the interim. The typical period to prepare for a new FAC is at least two weeks. I had a look at the article to see if it appeared ready; because I easily identified a number of issues that should be dealt with, I'm going to withdraw it to allow more time to better prepare, so that the article will have a better chance at success next time. I suggest that you ask User:Epbr123 to run through and check on all issues after you finish, but at least, I noted the following:


 * I saw quotes italicized. See WP:ITALICS.
 * I saw inconsistent use of italics in the citations. Periodicals, newspapers, journals are italicized, websites etc. are not.
 * Inconsistent date formatting throughout the citations, some have wikilinked dates, others have raw unformatted ISO dates. Please be sure to use a consistent date format, and view the article both logged in and logged out to make sure all date formats are consistent either way.  See WP:MOSDATE. Because different citation templates handle formatting in different ways, it may take some fiddling.
 * Attention to WP:MOS needed.
 * Page numbers are needed on book sources.
 * Curly quotes shouldn't be used (switch to regular quotes).
 * I'm not certain what the case citations are at the top of each section or if that is standard formatting.
 * Attention to punctuation on image captions needed per WP:MOS.
 * In the Animal welfare section, text should not be sandwiched between images, see WP:MOS.

That is a very quick glance. When a FAC comes back too soon, it can be discouraging to reviewers to have to tackle it again. If you will take some time to address some of these basics, and then ask Epbr123 to run through after you've done this, the article should fare better when it's ready for re-nomination.

It might also be productive to get a thorough peer review, inviting editors who expressed concerns at the FAC and the GAR, and locating other volunteers per the tips at WP:FCDW/March 17, 2008, to participate in a peer review. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 06:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Removal of referenced paragraph in Leonard P. Zakim Bunker Hill Memorial Bridge article
Why do you say it's not relevant? Have you not heard of the play involved? - Denimadept (talk) 20:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoa, my apologies! I didn't mean to get under your skin like that.  Okay, so you're aware. :-D  - Denimadept (talk) 20:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm much less aware of it than you are. Calling it the "Bill Buckner" bridge would be, shall we say, obscure to most people. - Denimadept (talk) 21:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Herb & spice stubs
Hi Jerem43, yeah, I think the three templates and one combined category is probably good enough to pass, and it's been long enough without any comments against that, so I've closed the discussion on it (I probably should have waited for someone else not involved in the discussion to do so, but we both seem to agree on the best combination of templates and category, and no-one else has objected). So three templates all linked to the one stub category can be made - you can either do that yourself or I can do it if you prefer (let me know on my user talk page). Cheers, Grutness...wha?  00:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure - I'll get onto it later today. Grutness...wha?  01:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done - check for details. Feel free to change the icons I used on the templates - you could probably find better ones than the ones I used. Grutness...wha?  02:14, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: McDonald's products (international)
Awesome! Good job. I'll remove the tag. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 01:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment
It's okay, you can restore it where you think it will fit. Badagnani (talk) 04:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did that--you can place it where you like. Badagnani (talk) 05:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Puzzled
I just saw your comment on Wikiproject Wine about Food and Drink article standards and am puzzled. Bureaucrats have nothing to do with content (nor do admins) Standards are set by individual Wikiprojects (or the Manual of Style) by consensus of editors. Bureaucrats only deal with promoting/demoting admins and bots and with changing usernames. Rmhermen (talk) 18:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Your bot request
I've left a question for you at Bot requests/Archive 22. --Jeremyb (talk) 01:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There's been a little confusion as to whether this will be a one time run or a regular delivery. Please see Bots/Requests for approval/Jeremybot and leave a comment there or on the BOTREQ or on my talk page.  Thanks. Jeremyb (talk) 06:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just wondering if you saw my musing yesterday over at the BOTREQ on the spamlist. (btw, I saw Tanner-Christopher's note below; feel free to poke for general newsletter deliveries too)
 * Also, I was including people that transclude a relevant UBX as well. Is that overkill? Do you think it would cause any problems?  I should have a full list of recipients complete with reason(s) why each is getting it ready soon. --Jeremyb (talk) 21:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Userbox moves
You wrote: Hello Will, I have recently moved several of the user boxes you created to the main space from your user page. You did a great job in their creation and I just wanted to make using them easier. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 18:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

First, thanks for the compliments. Secondly, which userboxes did you or are you planning on moving? I have been around here for a while, and watched the rise and fall and rerise of userboxes over that time. At one point (and it might have changed since consensus sometimes changes over time), it was the standard to place userboxes you create within your own userspace. This is a practice that I particularly like, because, while they aren't rocket science to create, making good looking boxes does take time and patience. Keeping it within my userspace is about the only way that I get credit for my efforts (sure, the edit history could be viewed, but how many people regularly do that?).

Then, there is another reason I would like to keep them where they are. I make my userboxes cross-wiki compatible to the other projects on which I am active. If suddenly they are moved out of my user space, then that can break my other cross-wiki templates that rely upon things being in certain, set locations.

Fourthly, I happen to like the colors and photos I picked. If they are moved into regular space, it is far more likely that other people will tweak with them. I'm all for folks copying the userboxes into their own user space and tweaking the colors to orange and heliotrope if they like, but I don't want that suddenly appearing on my user page. This is one of the main reasons why userboxes were moved to user space in the first place. Too much conflict and duplicated boxes only varying in color and/or image.

So, while I appreciate the sentiment and the reason for the move, I'd rather than you keep them where they were, and make copies if you'd like to make changes.

In fact, I noticed that you renamed the WP:HERBS one from WP to TF. While that may be technically more accurate, I plan to revert that change. I care less about the correctness of the name and more about the fact that the userbox grew an extra line taller and now messes up the careful alignment of my userbox page. I'll probably tweak the wording a bit, but I will definitely shorten it. This would be a perfect example of a situation where it might make more sense to fork the design into two different userboxes... one fully and properly named, and one with a shorter (possibly less correct) name that fits on a page better with other boxes.

Most of all, I I want to thank you for talking about this rather than doing a silent edit and leaving me wondering once I noticed it. :-) Have a great week! -- Will scrlt  ( Talk ) 08:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Food and Drink
I'm busy, I'm also frustrated. I need a couple months off to take care of my new job and I think I need to coach someone, perhaps not just you, but maybe a couple others, on what I do for the project newsletter, and where I get the news for the Food Portal and such. As you have taken a huge step in taking on issues with the project, I was hoping i could show you what I do with these things so that in case I can't keep up with these items, I can call on you to help me. What do you think?--Chef Tanner (talk) 07:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Fuddruckers discussion
Since you deemed the discussion to be unworthy of inclusion on your page, but apparently decided it was appropriate to have it on mine(!), where it definitely doesn't belong, I'm moving it to the Fuddruckers talk page. See you there! CapnZapp (talk) 23:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Burger King
Does Wikipedia have a similar article to McDonald's products (international) in Burger King related topics? Because I want to insert a picture of a Korean local item if there has one.--Caspian blue (talk) 14:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm of course, willing to translate the BK Korean menu into English. As you know, the situation and my belief on editors there are quite changed as time goes by. People grow. :) --Caspian blue (talk) 15:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Original, authentic, traditional
Hi, and thanks for your contributions to WikiProject Food and drink/Original, authentic, and traditional. I was just wondering why you added the note about transclusion and changed the header formatting. Thanks, --Macrakis (talk) 15:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Odwalla GAN
um... I think I've addressed all of the problems that have come up on the peer review of Odwalla, so is it good enough to be a GA, or is there something else I need to do? I think it fulfils the criteria, but then again I wrote it. Thanks. Intothewoods29 (talk) 15:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I think I've done everything for the GAN of Odwalla. Thanks. Intothewoods29 (talk) 15:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Vegetable oils
Just wondering why you removed the category from the Vegetable oil template. Waitak (talk) 18:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. I'm only seeing the food template category in the docs page. Am I missing something, or is Category:Vegetable oils missing? Waitak (talk) 22:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Template category
Hi again. I've reverted your recent edits to the above because this is what I'm currently seeing. Hope you can sort it out. Sardanaphalus (talk) 00:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC) PS The image linked above will be deleted automatically in a few days' time.

Stalker
Hey Jerem43. Based on your ANI report, I've watchlisted your userpage to help out. Also let me know if you want me to remove the obscene comment in the edit history. Sorry you've had to put up with this crap. — Satori Son 13:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Fresh Mex
Do you have a citation for that? Here's a trademark registration for the word mark "Fresh Mex" by itself. --Amble (talk) 08:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Argh. How annoying, sorry about the link.  I suppose the best anyone can do is give the registration number and a link to the search form?  I believe that "typed drawing" or "standard character mark" actually means the opposite: it indicates that the "drawing" is submitted in plain type, and the claim is the word or phrase itself, rather than any particular graphical presentation or logo. ,  --Amble (talk) 15:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

food safety - plagiarism
Sorry about that. I still thought that if text was cut and pasted from another web site that the material should be in quotes. It isn't really referenced to the page, but a word-for-word copy. Anyhow you're right about copyright. Bob98133 (talk) 17:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Aye
Though terrified of the world beyond the capacity for rational thought, I am here, again. --IvoShandor (talk) 08:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I did, but I think it's a sign that we're going out of business. ;-)--IvoShandor (talk) 08:26, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:KFC archiving
Hi,

I've reverted you recent archiving here. Firstly, I've been trying to keep the maximum size of the archives at around 32k for readability. Secondly, there's no need to split them by date - so long as they're chronological, it doesn't really matter exactly where the divide is. Lastly, you changed the very sensible talkarchivenav into three separate templates - that isn't really necessary. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Reply on Peer Review
I will take a look again, but it will take me a few days, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

PR The Burger King in hot water
Yeah, I'd be glad to, I'll try to get to it before the weekend is over. Maybe give it a copy edit if you want, compile some points, do something. :-)--IvoShandor (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that's spiffy. Show me a link to yon video game you speak of. --IvoShandor (talk) 13:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Two words: Bad ass. Also, lol, but isn't it "intended" to bring about the end of the world. Sorry for the nitpick. ;-) It's truly funny either way. --IvoShandor (talk) 13:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha! I still haven't really gone over your article, I haven't been doing much around here since my return. --IvoShandor (talk) 12:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wilbur Hardee
Re: your message: That's fine. I'm glad that you took the time to salvage the article. Unfortunately, you are not likely to receive any communication from Footlight Guy as that is a sockpuppet of the long-term vandal MascotGuy. That's why I reverted all his edits on sight. It's a long, complex story, but most of it covered in the link. If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 03:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Re your message: It doesn't surprise me it was a copy and paste job. Mascot Guy's content additions do not tend to be very creative in the sense of writing his own stuff. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Rodeo Cheeseburger
I see that the above sandwich has jumped in price to $1.49 in my area. Do you know if that is due to some sort of improvement or just a run-o'-the-mill price jump?  young  american (wtf?) 12:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer on the sandwich (Ohio region, BTW) and I had warned the guy for the same article. I had misread the UTM time and thought it was from a few hours ago. I removed my warning from his page.  young  american  (wtf?) 12:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Boston Red Sox
I appreciate your recent cleanup work at Boston Red Sox. However, several of your changes were additions of leading zeroes on batting averages. If you look at WP:MOS, you'll see that "performance averages in sports" are specifically exempted from the normal formatting rule for numbers between -1 and 1. Matchups 02:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw the comment, but wasn't sure what it referred to. I figured that it was something the script had improved & you would complete, not that the script had messed something up. Matchups 03:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Newp
I was just protecting some articles that had excessive vandalism and trying to fix some really bad edits. Probably will be a few weeks until you see me on again in earnest. I'm helping a friend move next weekend, then competing in a couple culinary competitions the next two weekends. My weekdays are shot for extracurricular stuff as my schedule is jam packed.--Chef Tanner (talk) 02:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Fresh Mex restaurants
An article that you have been involved in editing, List of Fresh Mex restaurants, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/List of Fresh Mex restaurants. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 03:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Removing Dick Gjonola's info...
Yes, Dick is my uncle but in this I was just stating a fact. A very pertinent one. He was the actor that played the burger king for years in the national tv ads. He is retired now and this is not promoting. I had a picture of him so i posted it.

Jgjonola (talk) 02:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Natick Collection
Just a quick note to say it doesn't appear to be vandalism you are reverting. That puts you in violation of WP:3RR. Toddst1 (talk) 22:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Dude, you can't give a final warning saying "Don't do this again, or I'll report you," and then instantly report that person to AIV. Tan   &#124;   39  16:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Ask Restaurants Ltd.
A tag has been placed on Ask Restaurants Ltd., requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. ÆÅM «(fætsøn!) 09:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Appropriate content
My issue is that saying they sell desserts isn't enough. Saying they sell cheese isn't enough. It's not a deli, it's one of LA's premier gourmet food stores. They sell Humboldt Fog and lemon bars that get write ups. I haven't cherry picked articles, I didn't even add the one from the New York Times travel section that says Joan's is the author's "favorite eatery in LA".

And I'm not clear on why I can't say they sell artisan cheeses.

Here's a pull quote from the Burger King article's intro:

"The Burger King menu has evolved from a basic offering of burgers, fries, sodas and milkshakes in 1954 to a larger, more diverse set of offerings that includes several variations of chicken, fish, salads and breakfast. The Whopper, a sandwich that has since become Burger King's signature product, was the first major addition to the menu by Mr. McLamore in 1957. Not all introductions have had the success of the Whopper"

Or from Odwalla's intro:

"Odwalla's range of products includes juices, smoothies, dairy-free soy milk, and similar organic beverages, as well as several flavors of energy bars, known as food bars, and bottled spring water."

And that's from those article's INTROS.

I appreciate the suggestions on refs. But there again I haven't wanted to mess with them much because there are too many. This is the result of my having been challenged on every word.

I would just ask other editors to assume good faith, and if someone has a question about whether a term is accurate or too much like ad copy, maybe let me know or bring it up on the talk page. I haven't wanted to edit war, so I've mostly left the article alone. I haven't fixed the refs, because I would like to include them in a more sensible fashion (ie. fewer and where needed). But if everything is going to be questioned then I'm citing every word.

So that's why I'm a little frustrated, despite my understanding that your efforts are in good faith and meant to be helpful.

In my opinion:

"Joan's has a full service cheese counter stocked with artisan cheeses. There's also a dessert bar with cupcakes, cookies and an assortment of chocolates and dessert bars, and a prepared food counter where gourmet sandwiches are offered along with other prepared foods, salads and snacks. An assortment of dry goods and refrigerated products are also offered."

Is entirely appropriate. "Full service restaurant" does not equal "breakfast lunch and dinner service". Selling cheeses isn't the same as having a staffed cheese counter with the finest domestic and imported cheeses. Artisan cheese and deli cheese aren't the same thing.

So that's my take, but I don't want to argue over it endlessly, I'm just letting you know how I see it. And if you're determined to keep that content out then so be it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Ohhhh who did I annoy?
Do tell, I do like when someone gets sensitive for no reason.--Chef Tanner (talk) 21:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of WPH&S
I have nominated for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you.  MBisanz  talk 21:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

"Vandalism"
I dispute your belief that my edits on Long John Silver's were vandalism. If I was vandalizing the page, I would have blanked the entire page without an edit summary. Also, my edits would only be a violation of WP:3RR if I were to make a third revert within these 24 hours. I provided a reason for my changes, so that is sufficient to prove that I'm not vandalizing. Since you think I'm vandalizing, could you cite a policy to prove I was vandalizing?. — Mythdon ( talk  •  contribs ) 05:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

New food article
Hi, if you get a chance could you take a look at Papa Cantella's Sausages? It's a new article and it seems to be a creation of a COI. It seems kind of notable to me, but I'd like an expert pair of eyes to take a look and see what does and doesn't belong in the article. There's a long product list for example. Also, tags seem to get removed... I'm watching it so I'll see what you fix, if anything. Thanks. 05:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your extensive work fixing up that article. It was instructive to me to watch.ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:18, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Advice not related to WP
Jeremy, I've got a food planning question. I've been elected to a leadership position in my yacht club which requires me to plan the monthly dinners for 2009. I'm trying to figure out how to predict the eating habits of the group in terms of how much of each item people are likely to consume when they have uncontrolled self-service choices such as family-style or buffet. For example how much meat will they typically take, and then will they take more in total if presented with multiple meat options? Are there studies on this? In the past I have put out ridiculous amounts of food so that we can't possible run out, but it is wasteful, and in light of the recent economy, I'm trying to cut costs. Generally, I plan for about 8 oz of meat per person and about 4 oz of each side dish, plus a bread and dessert. Any feedback would be appreciated, here or by email. Thanks! --Kevin Murray (talk) 19:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Georgian cuisine
If you want to continue this cuisine renaming madness, at least call the main article (not just the redirect!) "Georgian cuisine", without "(country)". Who is going to look for the "Cuisine of Georgia" or "Georgian cuisine" under the ludicrous name "Georgian (country) cuisine"? Its enough that we have to live with "Georgia (country)", but "Georgian (country)" is really much too much. And it is totally ungrammatical, on top of everything. I hope you agree and will move the main article to plain "Georgian cuisine". --Zlerman (talk) 07:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all it is not madness, it reflects the naming standards as set forth in the policies of Wikipedia. Second I screwed up on the naming, I was going to fix that shortly. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 07:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! It will be a great improvement. Don't take offense: I used "madness" jokingly, not personally. Still, between you and me and the gatepost, it is a kind of madness (again not personal: system-wide). What are we going to do about all the articles that are called "Demographics of ..." and similar constructions, where the adjectival form simply does not fit? Regards, --Zlerman (talk) 07:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, according to the naming standards for country specific articles, if the article is solely about the country the naming convention is Subject of Country, while it the subject is about a topic with origins in the country but now extends beyond the geographical area of that country the naming convention is Country topic. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 07:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to alert you that there is now a problem with Asian cuisine (and European cuisine) templates: please see Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan (and other red links) in the Asian cuisine template as it appears in the respective cuisine articles. Can you fix it, please? Thanks. --Zlerman (talk) 07:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Philippino cuisine
Er, "Philippino" is a grave misspelling. It's supposed to be "Filipino". Also, which of the two adjectival forms of the Philippines should be used: "Filipino" or "Philippine"? The naming conventions you follow does not say. --seav (talk) 11:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Request to move article Cuisine of Bangladesh incomplete
You recently filed a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves to move the page Cuisine of Bangladesh to a different title - however your proposal is either incomplete or has been contested as being controversial. As a result, it has been moved to the incomplete and contested proposals section. Requests that remain incomplete after five days will be removed.

Please make sure you have completed all three of the following:


 * 1) Added    at the top of the talk page of the page you want moved, replacing "NewName" with the new name for the article.  This creates the required template for you there.
 * 2) Added a place for discussion at the bottom of the talk page of the page you want to be moved. This can easily be accomplished by adding  NewName  to the bottom of the page, which will automatically create a discussion section there.
 * 3) Added  PageName  to the top of today's section here.

If you need any further guidance, please leave a message at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves or contact me on my talk page. - JPG-GR (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Dominican cuisine
Hello, Jerem43.

The article is in fact about the cuisine of the D.R. It does not concern itself with Dominican American or other diasporic Dominican cuisine, if that's what you meant. SamEV (talk) 20:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there a force field that stops all Dominican cuisine and its influences at the Haitian border? Do Dominican diaspora stop eating the foods and dishes of their homeland once they leave? Do traditional Dominican restaurants not exist outside the country? Are there no bodegas that specialize in Dominican cuisine outside the country?


 * I am not being a wise ass, these are legitimate questions that you have to ask when dealing with subjects such as this. The fact is that articles that deal with a subject with a particular national origin such as cuisine, language and culture are never confined to their country of origin, that is the reason behind the naming convention. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 21:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So I suppose all the others will be similarly renamed, then.
 * It would have helped if you'd cited the applicable naming convention in your edit summary.
 * And "wise ass"? More like "borderline uncivil" is what I was thinking. But I'm not trying to be a wise ass myself.
 * Thanks for the edit, Jerem. Cheers. SamEV (talk) 22:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Africa/Middle East/Asia topic templates
Hi again. Sorry not to respond to your message more promptly. Unless the problem you've seen has been resolved, can you point me toward an example for each template where the suffix parameter isn't working correctly? (I took a quick look at the code for two of the templates and couldn't see what might be going wrong.) Sardanaphalus (talk) 03:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean. I toyed with Europe topic and Africa topic in the Sandbox and found that both seem to handle or  but the latter adds the space you mention. I'll start looking at all the templates in  to work out how they might all be made consistent. Sardanaphalus (talk) 04:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Africa topic seems the most generalized design, so I've tried amending the other two templates in your message (Middle East topic and Southeast Asia topic) so they behave similarly. However, it looks like these "" will only work with articles named "X of Foo" or articles named "Fooian X" that have "X of Foo" redirects pointing to them, because "Fooian X" can include many variations ("Fooan X", "Fooern X", "Fooic X", etc, etc). I haven't checked the About continent and region topic templates documentation that accompanies these templates, but will try to do so once I've caught up with other loose ends. If the documentation doesn't highlight the need for "X of Foo" names or redirects, I think I'll add it. Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Qâlat Daqqa
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AfD nomination of Qâlat Daqqa
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Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
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Country cuisine standardization
Re you message on my talk page, please let me know where I can help by weighing in with my "support" to balance some "opposes" in the cuisine pages. You may have noticed that I am not too excited about the wholesale change of the cuisines, but if the decision is to standardize, then we need to be consistent and do it completely, not piecemeal. Regards, --Zlerman (talk) 06:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to make sure: I imagine (and hope) that in addition to the "Country cuisine" construction as the main article we are also keeping the "Cuisine of country" construct with redirect. Correct? --Zlerman (talk) 09:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to notify me about the discussion on cuisine article naming. I will weigh in with my thoughts when I get a chance. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As an act of good faith I recommend striking this comment . I don't think it's helpful and may inflame the situation. I don't think you're in the wrong, and I was sorry to see you attacked and criticized for your efforts to improve the encyclopedia. Soliciting input on an issue is a good thing and it's not canvassing. I hope you don't get caught up in the conflict or attacks that distract from good works.ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Good on you (as the Aussies say). The other editor may just be frustrated, don't take it personally (and don't make it personal by hitting back). I think they mean well. Some of the time I don't even think people's arguments have to do with Wikipedia. Best to walk away. Of course, I'm from the New York City school of yell it out and then move on, but that approach has its limitations on Wikipedia.
 * I may come to regret this, but do you have any thoughts on this candies article? :) Is it an excercise in madness? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. I was actually kind of pleased that it seemed to be developing into a useful excercise. Categories have their limitations. Thanks for the encouragement and let me know if you have any suggestions, concerns or criticisms. I was actually just about to link it to the candy article. I suspect inclusion/ exclusion criteria and how candies are categorized will be obstacles, but so far so good. Sorry about all these messages... Take care.ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the mustard-TenderCrisp tip
I'll give it a try next time that I hit BK.  young  american (wtf?) 14:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

RFC proposal
Hi. Just to let you know that I support the RFC proposal that you contacted me about. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Advice needed: alcoholic beverages
We often add "(food)" for disambiguation purposes to various foods/dishes. Similarly "(water)" is added to mineral or bottled water brands. What is the practice with alcoholic beverages? I would like to create an article for oghi (an Armenian vodka distilled from various local fruits or berries), but this title is already taken. What do you suggest I call it? Oghi (drink)? Thanks for your attention. --Zlerman (talk) 15:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Cuisine of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
I think you should add this cuisine to your renaming/moving drive. As far as I can see, the article hardly has any content and certainly does not add anything to what we already have in Cypriot cuisine. My suggestion: rename the article Turkish Cypriot cuisine and redirect it to Cypriot cuisine. This will grate on some sensibilities and you may be able to come up with a more neutral suggestion. I leave it in your capable hands. --Zlerman (talk) 01:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Nouvelle
I agree the capitalization is no good, but the way to move a page is to have an admin actually move it, and keep the redirect--not delete anything. Badagnani (talk) 06:40, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

It's moved now. See Nouvelle cuisine. It's uncontroversial, like Haute cuisine. Badagnani (talk) 06:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah ha!
Happy Holidays friend.

Nice. It's always pleasant to see such things.

Peter: Ray? What did you do Ray?

Ray: It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man. I tried to think of something that could never ever possibly hurt us, we used to roast them, by the fire, at Camp Wokanda. . . (trailing off)

Peter: Ray has gone bye-bye. Egon, what do you have left?

Egon: (Looking at Mr. Stay Puft) I'm sorry Peter, I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought.

That's the best I remember it, I think I am missing some more of Ray's rambling about Mr. Stay-Puft. --IvoShandor (talk) 11:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

File:Stylized-m.png listed for deletion
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Request for mediation on Korean cuisine
Please follow this link Requests for mediation/Korean cuisine to participate in mediation on the issues with the Korean cuisine article.--Chef Tanner (talk) 15:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Joan's on Third
It looks great. I did a few tweaks of my own if you want to have a look. :) Thanks for your efforts. Is this a Christmas present? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:32, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool. Thanks. If the sources say it was a cafe first (after being a caterer, but before offering gourmet goods) please change it back. I did not know that, and just assumed it was simultaneous based on my memory of reading about the history. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

colocation
Hi Jerem, noticed your the last person to discuss on the colocation page - I agree that some of the terms used there are old now - perhaps good to split the article? One resource I'd like to consider addding is this - http://www.easynetconnect.net/Products/Hosting.aspx which is a 360degree "tour" of a colocation centre - might help people understand what they look like these days (the other article on data hotels is from 2006/7)

cheers Rob robert nicholson (talk) 14:15, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Spirits talk page banner
How do you envisage the use of the WikiProject Spirits talk page banner? Instead of the existing WikiProject Food and Drink banner or in addition? --Zlerman (talk) 09:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It is up to the users, I see three options:


 * I can make a composite banner (see the wpfood banner)
 * We can put both, which is permissible because WP:Food is the parent project
 * Editors can just use the Spirit banner alone.


 * I will not try to do anything that will disrupt the process of the development of the project banner, as I learned my lesson in the past with banners. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 09:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The composite banner is too much of a good thing in my view, so I will use either the Spirit banner alone or place it under the Food and Drink banner. Please see Oghi for my latest effort. Is this consistent with your intentions? --Zlerman (talk) 11:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Gallery at Burger King products
Note that having a non-free content rationale is just one of four checks on an image per our policies on non-free content. Specifically, I believe this gallery fails criteria #3a (minimal use) and #8 (significance) of the non-free content criteria. Galleries of non-free content are generally prohibited per Non-free_content. (ESkog)(Talk) 19:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Gallery at Burger King advertising

 * What the above user said. Please do not restore this gallery without explaining first on the talk page how it meets our non-free content policy.  The logos are not even discussed in the text.  An edit summary of "fixed" is also not appropriate. Black Kite 21:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Try reading the sentence I included in the text. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 21:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it says "evolution of the logo" followed by an image gallery. That's not discussion of the actual logos themselves. Previous consensus on logo galleries at non-free content criteria talk has resulted in such galleries being removed unless the actual content of the logos is discussed at length in the article. (In fact, non-free image galleries as a whole are deprecated on Wikipedia except in exceptional circumstances). Black Kite 21:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Try again. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 21:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I appreciate what you're trying to do, but the actual content of the logos still isn't being discussed. All you've effectively added is that "BK had some different logos for its Kid's Club, and here they are". To retain image galleries, the logos themselves, or their design needs to be notable? They can't simply be used for decoration. Black Kite 21:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I didn't just add a simple sentence, I added info about why they were created, local advertising and updated facts. Give me some more time and you will get more data that supports there inclusion. Logos are not just decoration but are an important part of advertising. If you will notice that there are only two logos discussed in all of the articles, the main company logo and the children's advertising programs. With childhood obesity and other issues regarding marketing to children, the subject is notable; including all facets of its advertising is appropriate. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 21:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm good with that - as long as there's a decent reason for including all the images (for example, the first two are pretty much identical bar the text). Black Kite 21:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the logos themselves must be specifically discussed to justify inclusion. Also, some decent sources discussing the logos wouldn't be amiss- you haven't really established why the logos need to be discussed so much. J Milburn (talk) 21:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent point. Did the Kid's Club logos win some awards? Did an advertising magazine criticize them? Were the changes made for publicly known and notable reasons? If we don't have sources to establish this notability, then it doesn't seem like we have any reason to give so much attention to the Kid's Club logos. -Andrew c [talk] 17:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)