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Thank you. Jeremy (talk) 22:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


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Chicago 'L'
Your point regarding CTA 'L' lines names is well taken. I'll have to research in the Tribune or Sun-Times archives and see when all the re-routings, name changes, and color coding occurred. Going out of town, will get back to it in a few days. Thanks for the welcome and kind words. Edzotti 19:04, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

HELP! I'm confused...
About a month ago, after some time not being able to access the internet, I discovered that my artical about Les Voyaqeurs Inc. (a program run by my uncle) had been deleted by Kungfuadam this past June. I asked why the article was deleted, and he said it was an advertisement and copyright violation of this site: http://blogs.aviation.ca/index.php/steve.php/2006/06/16/ukn_regains_her_balance I recieved permission from this blogger to use any pictures or content (which I did not do). I told Kungfuadam that and he basically just blew me off. In addition, I did not use any copyrighted images in my article. I linked to the homepage of the program, but that was all. I can live with my article being deleted for an advertisement or whatever. I can rewrite it when it gets more publicity and I have something to back it up with. I'm fine with that, I just want to know why I was infringing on a copyright. I'm sorry for bothering you, and I would greatly appreciate your help. Thank you. (The article title is "Les Voyageurs Inc." Newman2007 22:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Re: HELP! I'm confused...
Thank you for getting back to me and explaining everything that happened. I would appreciate it if you could undelete the article "Les Voyageurs Inc.". I will try to improve it by getting input from some others familiar with the program. Since the program does enter other countries I think it is valid. If it is proposed for deletion again, then I will learn my lesson and wait until it gets more national publicity. Thanks again for your help. Newman2007 03:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Galatasaray article
On the page of Galatasaray i saw a mistake but i cannot revert it becauce the page is under protection, in the Managerial area Yılmaz Gökdel was the manager in 1974-1975 season could you fix this?

http://www.webaslan.com/kulup/antrenor.php this is the official site of Galatasaray here it says that Gokdel is coach for the 74-75 season :)

Johnny200 21 September 2006 (UTC)

A small conflict
Hello JeremyA, im sorry for my english first, only speak in spanish, and im newbie on Wikipedia. I see a edit in this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Shapplin On "Biography" a anonymous user (201.230.109.5) insert: "It is a pity and shame that the reputable WIKIPEDIA allows that a simple promotion text (see the homepage of the singer) is published as a biography, and this without any critical comment: Emma is one of those strange modern phenomenas: that some people can have a tremendous success without having any adequate talent but only the proper marketing. The voice: uneven, pushed in the high registers,unstable,without any colouring etc.etc. The singing without a proper technique, short of breath, without a sense of phrasing, without true expression, etc. simply utterly boring (and without microphone and amplifier a totally lost voice/case), a "Paris Hilton" of singing." I respect some this opinion, but also i believe that he express his personal opinion and a sarcastic humor when comparing with Paris Hilton. You can help to solve this conflict? PD: i have a fansite and i receive this message also there with same IP; I did not obtain answer when i write (probably to false email).

Thank you Best regards

Thank you
We haven't met, Jeremy, but you have amended incorrect entries on the Tapton School, Sheffield Wiki page and I am grateful to you for this. I teach at the school and will be keeping an eye on it, with you or for you. I apologise if this style of communication is incorrect or beyond Wiki etiquette, but I have too much on at the moment to read all the stuff about it. I log in as 'ATeacher' and my edits will be in line with good taste, since most of the rubbish the pupils put on is non-etiquette and often non-PC, too. I note that the pupils who add scurrilous edits usually have no user name. If it is possible to exclude them from the process, it would be nice to know how, though I suppose that would contravene the idea of a free encyclopaedia. I welcome any comment you may have, but appreciate that you probably have better things to do. Thanks, best wishes, ATeacher.

Ateacher 29 September 2006 BST

Excellent work
You've worked your rear off to a ridiculous extent, specifically on 'L' related articles. In recognition of this, I hereby issue you an Emperor Joshua A. Norton I ten dollar note. Don't spend it all in one place! And again, great work. I'll have to take you out to Harold's Chicken Shack for lunch sometime. :-P —BorgHunter (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Rotherham election results
Hi - I was just looking at your Image:RotherhamGraph.png, and realised that for '24 and '29, it reverses the Labour and Tory results. Is there any chance of fixing this? thanks, Warofdreams talk 00:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Great - many thanks for the speedy response. Warofdreams talk 00:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Use of your Image
Hi I am not sure if I understand the correct use of your images that you have posted on the Chicago Beaches. I was just wanted to doublecheck if it was alright to use an image of your (the montrose harbor beach image) in a photocollage for a competition that I am entering. I live in California and have am not capable of traveling to take images myself so I have to rely on internet images. Thank you for your time and I do hope to be able to use your great image. have a great day, Albert I am not sure how this "talk page" works but if you could send me an email with a response that would be great thanks again

Waterview Tower
I am writing to question the deletion of a section I added to this web entry. The specific passage that was deleted was:

"Condo Hotels are a relatively new form of ownership structure, allowing unit owners to place their rooms into a rental program that the hotel managment company operates. UNITE HERE Local 1, a union representing Chicago hotel workers, has created a website that addresses the Shangri-La hotel, and raises various issues that investors may be interested in, including: the ability of Shangri-La to compete in a more crowded luxury hotel environment, information about operating costs, the possibility of appreciation of condominium hotel units, and the labor history of Shangri-La hotels and resorts."

I also included a link to the described website. You deleted both of my additions, and left a message stating that the website link was partisan, and Wikipedia should not be used to advance any agenda of the labor union who wrote it.

I believe this is a double standard. No where does my comment impugn the developer, the tower, or condo hotels. It simply says that there is a website that discusses the Shangri-La hotel; a website that is immaculately footnoted, objective, and has been recognized by the National Association of Condo Hotel Owners as being a helpful resource. It is intended as an aid to potential buyers of units.

In addition, the present article includes a link to the sales website of the developer, who is clearly not objective. It also provides a link to the Condo Hotel Center, based in Miami. This center is run by a broker of Condo hotels, and is a commercial enterprise that makes no attempt at objectivity. For example, it describes Shangri-La as having "remarkable properties, all in ideal locations, [that] exceed the expectations and satisfy the needs of both business executives and leisure travelers."

The "Eye on Shangri-La" website is entirely relevant to this development, and if you do not allow it to be mentioned on Wikipedia, then you should remove the obviously slanted links to the developer and the condo hotel center. An alternate accomodation would be to explain how the comment can be changed so that objectivity is preserved in your mind. Thank you in advance for your consideration. You may contact me at info@eyeonshangri-la.org.

12.121.32.204 22:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Frank Lloyd Wright External Links Policy?
What is the criteria for inclusion of an external link in the Frank Lloyd Wright article? There are a number of comprehensive sites that predate Wikipedia. Possibly include only web sites for Frank Lloyd Wright building organizations, but that would eliminate some valuable sites. Or you might consider categorizing the external links to make it clear which sites are official and which are enthusiast or other web sites? Thanks. - David Sides (david at sidesways.com, www.exploringart.net)

Looks like a bunch of links were added back to the article. Wikipedia is certainly fascinating to watch! —David October 31, 2006 at 22:46:53 UTC

Once more, Sheffield Tramway
Hi Jeremy. thought I'd give you some good news. I've been once again around Sheffield looking for remnants of the tramway. Three things worth your while!
 * Brightside depot: the depot used to be next to a pub (the Bridge Inn) below the railway viaduct. I've found the piece of land on which it stood and found rather pityful remants; walls and the gateway. The land is for sale (so it has been for the ast 20 years) and is overgrown.
 * An overhead wire pole stands in the middle reservation on Prince of Wales Road in Manor approximately 400 yards from Manor Top. I was driving to Centertainment and the missus spotted it on our way down!
 * Nether Edge depot on Machon Bank Road is used a car garage and (Wacko) Jacksons corner-market. The piece of land between the shed and the road used to be a petrol station but is now the garage's car park. I would suppose (but cannot source it) that part of this land would be the depot's stables.

I hpoe you are still keen on the subject and you'll appreciate the random information. It'll be properly worded and put into the article. Regards, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Good work! When you started the tramway article I did some research on the Nether Edge depot, overlaying old maps on Google Earth, and I came to the same conclusions (from what I remember). There used to be poles at Millhouses and at the bottom of Cemetery Road, but I think that both of these are gone now. I've not done much Sheffield-related editing for a while—I have been concentrating on the 'L', however I recently bought a copy of S. Batty's "Rail Centres: Sheffield", so I have some railway related stuff that I want to add. —JeremyA 03:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I also have the book, it's the one with a class 50 and 141 on the front right? Good shot of Sheaf House may I say. Yes the book has much information that I've used for our series of station articles. I'd keep an eye on Lewiskinner and Tudorminstrel, both keen to participate but maybe lack the discipline I too lack when I'm working on something head down. There is a definite need to prevent the creating of a hundred or so tra mstops articles which offer little to the reader. I'll be off to Firth Park where the unsourced and unsigned contributor recons there are large remnants of the Corporation Tramway, rails and poles the article says. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Article grading
Eyup Jeremy, since it seems your side of the world is awake, I'll take the oportunity to ask your opinion. I would like to submit Sheffield Tramway and Sheffield Supertram for grading, I recon we're not far from Good Article status. What do you recon? Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 21:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Not only still awake, but still at work. I'll give the articles a thorough read when I get home and let you know what I think. —JeremyA 00:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. As a disclaimer I would say that I have not had much experience with the article grading system yet. I agree that they are close to GA, but I'd say that at the moment both articles are probably in the B-grade. I am willing to help if you want to push them to GA. Here are some specific thoughts:


 * Sheffield Supertram
 * The introduction could do with some work. I think that the first paragraph is OK, but it gets a bit lost after that. Maybe the 2nd paragraph could be a new section called Routes or something like that.
 * The rest of the article focuses very much on the technical aspects of the system (the Technical data section is over ⅔ of the total article length). Manchester Metrolink (for example), although not as extensive and article, has more on day-to-day aspects of the system.
 * There are no citations. I don't think that it will get graded as a GA without an effort to source all of the major facts.
 * I am tempted to suggest removing the tram stop list from the article all together—I think that you and I agree that there is no need for articles on individual trams stops. That being the case, what does the list add that is not already shown in the system map. If you think that the list should be kept, I would suggest revising to a format more like that at Red Line (Chicago Transit Authority). Something like:


 * Sheffield Tramway
 * I think that this is closer to being a GA, but again more citations are needed. We could probably also do with more information about the day-to-day aspects of the system (do we know how many routes there were, what the fare structure was (presumably it changed considerably over the years), how fares were collected, frequency/hours of operation?). I also wonder whether your & my bias towards archaeology has led to there being too much emphasis on the depots.

—JeremyA 02:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Jeremy for your advice. Oups, I didn't know you were at work (don't know I didn't see it that way... Day -> work, makes sence).
 * Concerning supertram I think we both agree something needs to be done as far as stops are concerned, i tried last night to put the stop list into a network section so it would blend in. Not very easy, the thing's a pure block of links and is fairly wide. I don't thinkhowever that it should be removed, so long as more than just stops can feature in the table or they'd beno necessity in keeping it. I'm working on citations for Supertram which will more than likely come in the form page sourcing than tinternet pages. I think the day-to-day functioning is comprised in the technical data section, with the tram stop and depot sections but probably needs to be renamed so that the technical data section is smaller. At least for Supertram, fares are explained, hope you noticed my old South Yorkshire Supertram ticket... yes, I was young travelling with mummy and my cheap concessionary ticket ;). what I tried to do is purposely lead away form the day-to-day information which is hard to source and add more immuable information that cannot be contested, but needs sourcing (one of my bad points. Shame, a very good £4.95 spent that was).


 * Very much a researh thing this article's edition has been, i've often wondered if our research hasn't bordered on original research... I haven't finished tying the electric era chapter and this will contain information on the lines and fares, there were forteen lines leaving the city, and if i am correct, operated as through services (Beauchief to Vulcan Road, woodseats to Hillsborough for example). Trivial as it may be, did you know that bus line #53 was created following the withdrawal of the tramway and with the changes made to Granville Road roundabout is exactly as it was back in Autumn 1960? I already have the rolling stock list, but I also have the system history, technological advances and fares (very low), a total of eight pages just for the electric era to synthasise (not plagarise oooh!).


 * what do you recon? Shall I go along these routes, at least little photos are now needed for what is now a well ilustrated theme of articles. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 08:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The original research thing is a difficult question… if you go to an old depot to find out what is still there, photograph it, and report what you found in the article, is that original research? Strictly speaking, yes, but I don't think that that is what the no original research policy is intended to prevent, so I make it a case for WP:IAR (in other words, follow the spirit rather than the letter of the policy). I don't think that each and every fact needs cited, but certainly all of the key points should reference a source.


 * Do you think that Sheffield Supertram should be at Supertram or Stagecoach Supertram? —JeremyA 02:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I like WP:IAR. I think the Supertram article should definitely remain at Sheffield Supertram, Stagecoach Supertram is just a brand name, used to commercialise (if that) services, What It Is is Sheffield Supertram, maybe South Yorkshire Supertram... <b style="color:#000000;">Captain Scarlet</b> <i style="color:#FF0000;">and the Mysterons</i> 18:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It was branded as South Yorkshire Supertram when they were building it—I wasn't sure how long they kept using that name. Since the Leeds Supertram was canceled, it seems to me that disambiguation may be unnecessary and just plain Supertram would do. I found this image on Flickr, and I think that the article might benefit from an interior shot. That photograph is actually appropriately licenced for us to use it—but I wondered if you have anything better?  —JeremyA 18:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced about the renaming, SYS was the brand name from SYSL, say the same name. Stagecoach Supertram is just a label on a poster, not the name of what they do. It's me, I don't believe in brand names, I call cats: cats; like First Group, TransPennineExpress is commercialised as FirstTransPennineExpress, it stil remains TransPennineExpress. For the interior shot, the problem with Flickr is that most photos on it are of low quality, if you need smoething that I help you with and that is on Flickr, I can do it for you. I'll try and sneak in on an non-refurbished tram tomorrow. <b style="color:#000000;">Captain Scarlet</b> <i style="color:#FF0000;">and the Mysterons</i> 18:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Action required
are contributions by User:Lewisskinner, I'd appreciate action be taken as this is likely to lead nowhere other than a probably revert war. <b style="color:#000000;">Captain Scarlet</b> <i style="color:#FF0000;">and the Mysterons</i> 19:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Twikker bikkering
Hi

Thanks for your time looking at 'Twikker'. Obviously I'm delighted with your decision 8-)

Does the article need a 'survived deletion' tag to prevent newcomers recommending it for deletion without checking the previous discussion(s)? Would another recommendation for deletion be appropriate having had two debates to date? The first decision left further deletion requests open, but I'm not sure where the situation stands now.

I have restored the image which, I think, you deleted by mistake when removing the AfD tag. If its removal was deliberate then I apologise for reverting your work and would ask for a reason for its deletion.

I have tried to include the rock climb reference in a less controversial manner. The thing is, if you google 'twikker' then you get mostly the rag mag and the rock climb is the only other source of hits. I've tried to include it this time in the form of a disambiguation which I hope will be agreeable to all parties.

On a personal note, sorry about the.. er.. intense nature of the debate. I'd be open to suggestions as to how to avoid such intensity in future. I felt that I was standing my ground while the article was under attack but evidently this was not always the case.

Ewen 08:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for getting back to me. Appreciated! Ewen 19:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Villa Alegre
I would like to know why you removed an image from the "Provincia de Linares, Chile" and "Villa Alegre, Chile" pages.

Eguirald 00:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Mark Gasser
Refs to this chap Mark Gasser are being placed here and there by the same guy, and will probably need uprooting asap. roundhouse 18:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Trump Chicago Photos
As an administrator, I will defer to your final opinion. I think multiple current photos in the article and a gallery of past photos is better. However, if you want a photo in the info box you could try something like a change I will try in a few minutes. TonyTheTiger 20:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you using 800 wide screen resolution? I don't know about the wikipedia population, but less than 10% of people who hit my webpage (web tracking stats) have resolutions less than 1024 wide.  I believe that 10% may be a high estimate because the Chicago Public Library uses 800 wide and as a Chicago personality I get a disproportionate number of hits from chipublib.org users.  It seems the feature is formated for 800 wide.  Should we format all pages for 800 wide resolution on wikipedia in your opinion even as it is becoming less and less commonly used?


 * Personally, I believe that in early 2007 when the current photos are obsolete only 1 of the current pics should go into the article gallery and 2 to the commons gallery. However, I believe people interested in learning about the progress on the building would like to see it from both sides and all 3 photos are IMO complementary.  These photos complement the skycam that is on the website.  I personally wish I could see multiple recent photos of many buildings that are under construction. TonyTheTiger 21:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that most pictures will end up in the commons once the building is built. However, one should compare the activity and the depth of this article to other buildings under construction.  There is very significant interest in learning what is going on with the construction of this building.  Pictures by us locals can help the rest of the wikipedia world to conceptualize progress.  I wish I could see photos updated bimonthly on all ongoing construction projects of buildings I care about.  The multiple current photos are for perspective.  The top left photo gives a perspective other pictures (including those in the gallery) do not on the buildings proximity to other important buildings.  The fact that there is so much interest in photographing this structure and posting photos is a measure of the interest in the article topic.  The length of the article already is longer than Trump Tower (New York).  Look at the number of different people participating in the editorial process for this article.  I also post pictures for Joffrey Tower and 108 North State Street.  Neither of those has sufficient interest for a gallery although they are fairly notable structures.  I think the gallery should be limited to 12 or 16 photos at any time and the article should have 2-4 additional current photos at any time to reflect the great interest in the building. TonyTheTiger 02:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You should post a directive on the talk page that the article should be limited to 12 photos and all other photos should be placed in the commons. I will back you up. P.S. I don't know how to add space on the left of the text. TonyTheTiger 00:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Possible mistake when reverting a revision
Hi,

Regarding the edit you made to Camp X, I'd like to point out that, perhaps, you may have accidentally reverted it to the wrong revision. The link added on 18:45, 3 October 2006 seems to be an attempt of spam, as happened many times before (but was reverted) and today on other articles.

—R. A. C. 18:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of History of Sheffield
The article History of Sheffield you nominated as a good article has failed, see Talk:History of Sheffield for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of said article. If you oppose this decision, you may ask for a review. Chrisfow 00:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Photos
A lot of the articles in Wikipedia could do with some photos, but I have so far steered clear of this as it seems rather a minefield. I see that Flickr has plenty of photos of Sheffield (but is short on narrative). Eg this one of the cooling towers. How can I tell from Flickr whether we can use a particular photo? -- roundhouse 15:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You can use the photo of the tower:
 * Image:Tinsley Viaduct and Blackburn Towers 21-04-06.jpg
 * You can also go on the Sheffield Project pagz and request a photo. <b style="color:#000000;">Captain Scarlet</b> <i style="color:#FF0000;">and the Mysterons</i> 15:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Replied to roundhouse on his talk page. —JeremyA 15:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikityke has uploaded quite a few of his own Sheffield photos but not to Commons, and not included on the project page. roundhouse 13:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for backing up my requests for references
Seeing all of your reversions on my watchlist was a strange sight to see at first&mdash;upon further investigation I found that User:Lesliejane had removed by requests for references. How odd. Anyway, thanks again for your attention this matter. Grouse 11:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Millhouses Engine Shed
I'm new to Wikipedia and wondered why you deleted the photos of the shed that I uploaded? Who decides what stays and what criteria are used? Some of my interior pictures are better than the one on the page as it is all black and nothing is visible. Can you please explain?

Thanks Laticss

Please take action
I have had this left on my talk page, as i can't find anything on the NPA pages, i require your help and that the appropriate action be taken: diff, i don't particularly like to see that left to my attention. Cheers, <b style="color:#000000;">Captain Scarlet</b> <i style="color:#FF0000;">and the Mysterons</i> 11:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been watching. I almost stepped in after the edit you mention. But you usually do a pretty good job of fighting your corner, so I decided to wait and see. I would suggest a compromise wording would be the way forward. —JeremyA 06:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like to think i usually do indeed. I was obviously annoyed by this message and at the time was going to do nothing else than do the same thing as him, so decided that third party person would be better. I've replied to his message. <b style="color:#000000;">Captain Scarlet</b> <i style="color:#FF0000;">and the Mysterons</i> 11:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

re:the above

 * You are partially correct. It is not so much that I am unaware, more that I disagree.  Having read WP:NPA, I would not say that my comments were an example of this, although unacceptable under WP:CIV.  I was asking the editor to take a more balanced look at the world around him/her and the information sources I'd tried to provide.
 * The arguement was essentially about whether or not a square was part of a city centre gateway. I provided lots of evidence that it would, s/he countered only with (paraphrasing) "that evidence doesn't count", but providing no reasons why, nor evidence to the contrary.
 * Furthermore, following the offending comment from myself, I tried to continue the discussion about the article, whereas s/he tried to continue discussing the alleged personal attack - violating WP:NPA, which states: Frequently, the best way to respond to an isolated personal attack is not to respond at all.
 * Lastly, I note that WP:CIV states Judgmental tone in edit summaries ("fixed sloppy spelling", "snipped rambling crap") are unacceptable. I allowed his/her comment (earlier in the discussion) The Gateway is to the side of Sheaf Square and not part of it. the Gateway is between the station and Sheaf Square but part of neither. You've taken the blurry night picture, you should know. to go unpunished.  Indeed, I totally ignored it per WP:NPA.  Why is s/he unable to do likewise and feels a need to go running to admins screaming "Please take action".  Does this not come under WP:CIV - Calling for bans or blocks?  Does s/he get preferential treatment to me due to his/her longevi  as an editor?   L.J.Skinner WOT?|CONTRIBS 19:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Philip Oakey
I'd be grateful if you could have a look at the many edits made to this page in the last 2 days, which seem to have removed most of the original content (which I preferred). (Seems to be a Human League fan.) roundhouse 16:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Jeremy why is it i get a warning when Littlemovers have there name etc at the end of the article? Mazda Bongo

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Algys Autos Ltd

User: Lmcelhiney
Hey JeremyA,

Thanks for watching my back. I know that this backlash is to be expected, but it always feels like you've been violated to some small degree...

Take care,

Larry

Lmcelhiney 03:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

ThomasCharlesSpalding
please refer to my discussion page. i think i've said why a 'hold on' is appropriate, but i'm also new to wikipedia. i can reference articles done on T. Spalding done (not by me if that is why i'm being wiki-audited), but by other sources. the best reason i could think of is that it may appear i'm biased, because i did an article on him. please give me constructive feedback. just tell me how word things a little different (if thats the problem) and i'll work really hard on making it so. thanks! PlaydoughRevisited 06:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

CHICOTW GAonhold
TonyTheTiger 23:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Petronas/ Sears Tower
I recently edited the Sears Tower Page to say that the tallest building in the world after it is the Petronas Towers. I did see the disclaimer about not changing it from Taipei 101 to the Petronas Towers. The reason I changed this is that the Petronas Towers were credited as the world's tallest building upon their completion by the CTBUH, the group that officially declares the world's tallest building. There is some controversy at to which is higher but according to the number one standard which is the highest architectural point the Petronas Towers beat out the Sears Tower. If you look on the tallest building webpage you will see the four categories that were created by this controversy. This controversy was taken hard by a lot of people from Chicago and I believe the article was originally edited to say that the Sears Tower is taller because the person did not want to accept that the Petronas Towers had taken the title of world's tallest building. I have multiple sources that can back up that the Petronas Towers were the World's Tallest Building including a book published by the CTBUH as well as multiple others. Aausterm 12:33 February 20, 2007

It is wrong.
He should have the advertisement of himself removed.

It is spam who0ring and the super stunt should be removed. It has no place on wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.115.161.98 (talk) 02:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC).