User talk:JerryGraf

First thing wiki is always from supposed to be from a NPOV, secondly wiki itself is not a reliable source to be used for citations according to it's own policies, another site you used did not state everything you said it did. It doesn't matter if you took years to add it. If it is not added in the proper form, and in a NPOV it will be deleted everytime.Rogue Gremlin 23:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL
Sir: Your assertions are baseless. Please challenge any (any) specific point, and I'll be happy to reconsider. Otherwise go back to your job at PEI, and leave this alone.

Also the stuff you added does not belong on Hugh Hefners page, part of it might could go on Playboy Enterprises page(without assumptions and personal POV, since his daughter runs PEI and not Hugh Hefner, and I already told you wiki itself cannot be used for a proper citation, since it can be editted by anyone.Rogue Gremlin 19:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC) Sir: I'm trying to take you seriously. I provide citations and references for every claim I've made. You've provided none, for any. I'm bored to tears of your unsourced claim regarding internal citations, and I'm growing impatient with your continual, and unsupported characterizations of my POV. Try dealing with the text, not with me.

If you look at the talk page for Hugh Hefner I too agree with both Dysepsion and Rogue. What you are trying to input belongs on Playboy Enterprises but not Hugh Hefner's page and so I deleted it. Feel free to add it to PEI page. But it does not belong there. Rogue is also correct that Wikipedia cannot be used as a citation no matter how much you think it can. So I will point out to you what it says at the top of Hugh's talkpage as well as being placed all over wiki "This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or if there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard."Posah-tai-vo 03:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also if you check PEI records you will see Christie Hefner is both, Chairman of the Board and CEO since 1981. Not Hugh Hefner, He is still the Editor in chief of Playboy Magazine and Chief Creative Officer thats it.Posah-tai-vo 03:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Can no one deal with the text?? I'll be happy to change the links (which you call citations) on Club Jenna and Spice Digital Networks in order to satisfy the (still unsourced) wish that I not use Wikipedia links. Does anyone argue that CJ and SJ are NOT owned by PEI. Please. This is nothing but a red herring. Second, to suggest that what I've posted is either controversial or potentially libelous is absurd. Once again, please comment on the text, not me. Finally if YOU check PEI records you will see that HMH is the controlling shareholder, and per my citation, the TOP listed executive at the corporate web site.

JerryGraf 05:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

As you have been told by me and 2 others, What you are trying to add has to do with Playboy Enterprises, not Hugh Hefner as his daughter has been running PEI for the last 26 years. If you want to try and add it try there. But it will always be deleted here. Try adding something of value about Hugh Hefner. Not to mention PEI does not try to hide from all the companies it owns. But your comments are about PEI not Hugh Hefner, since he does not run PEI and is not even on the board of directors. Yes he is a coroporate officer and his name is at the top because he is the FOUNDER he is NOT the top executive, his titles are Editor in Chief, and Chief Creative Officer, neither of which are involved with the day to day operations of PEI. His daughter is the TOP executive and has been for over 20 years. So add it to PEI with proper citations and i wont delete it, but add it here and I will.Rogue Gremlin 15:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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