User talk:Jerryk50

I hereby resign from submitting to wikipedia. It's been many years since I've been involved. It's sad when I read about subjects so near and dear to me full of false information. I cannot speak for every article, but the few I've submitted into, are now corrupt. The zeal to purge new research is resulting in a form of low quality "McDonalds Information", that is perpetuating false data from 20 years ago. There seems to be a generation of editors bent on removing everything of substance. I once thought that Wikipedia would become the newest greatest encyclopedia. Alas. . it is now only a medium for misinformation.

I wish you all well. . . But I'm going back to my local Community Public Library. Jerry Katrencik Jerryk50 (talk) 02:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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- Learning as I go. . Jerryk50 (talk) 23:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Cutlery
Hey Jerry, Great work on the switchblade and terminology articles! I'm trying to start a project to work on all the cutlery related articles, to get them cohesive, sourced, etc and protected from the anti-knife coalition. If you want to participate, let it be known here:--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Jerry, I'm an old time collector myself. Been at it over 30 years. I'm a Martial Artist, Marine, Admin on the largest Custom Knife Forum, a Knifemaker's Guild Member, and have been a Wiki editor for 2 years. Your article had nothing wrong factually, just the style it was written in was non-encyclopedic and more like an essay, personally, I liked it. ADDITIONALLY IT WAS UNREFERENCED. If you want to restore it, I suggest you get some references in there, don't refer to the pictures directly in the text and write it from a more neutral point of view.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 13:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Continued from my talk page
request for more detailed editing requirements. I see where you have posted generic editors flags, but you do not edit, and you do not specify details of error. Under first paragraph in Gravity knives. you say neutrality is disputed, but everything stated is common factual knowledge at Atlanta blade show.
 * Jerry, common knowledge, by whom? You and me? Maybe...maybe 100 other knife enthusiasists or military collectors.  This encyclopedia is for the whole world to see, and I'll tell you, based on comments I've seen on other articles, most people know absolutely nothing about this hobby of ours.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Please specify what you think is biased, Secondly, under mechanical, you flag "tone", Again, the paragraph is a clinical statement of facts, explaining illustration, in the best U.S.Government patent illustration format, no redundancy, no "I" or "We". I am not quite sure what you are flagging as a weasel word, but I beg you, rewrite it, don't purge it.
 * I did rewrite some of it and you put it back the way it was.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

If you can reference it, then it must be a copyright violation and removed.
 * I don't know what you're talking about, are you trying to be sarcastic or did you leave out a word or two?

Please note, Wikipedia is not just plagerism, lack of 100% reference is not justification for purging stuff.
 * It most certainly can be removed if there is no source.

There WILL be new never before published info found.
 * And it is not supposed to be placed here without a source.

For Example, A knife, sold at a trade show as a gravity knife, is flat bed scanned image, so we know it exists as a fact.is no longer for sale in the US. taken off the market because it is an inertia knife. Cannot be called a true gravity knife by AKTI, Is and all of this has never been published in a book, HOW do you reference it?
 * Under wikis guidelines you cannot see the link above, it constitutes original research.

How do you tell people there are types of flick knives, very rare, other than the hollywood/McDonalds archtypical example. I have read the statement "no new research" and disagree that it is research. I believe it to be current common knowledge, So I declare, the very fact of a photo, makes it proof of existence, Is the verification required by Wikipedia.
 * I disagree. I'm sure Wiki's policy disagrees with this as well.

Next, under legal, the editor flag "tone", I ask you what is the correct whay(sic) to write in long hand, that there is a difference in opinion between collectors and lawyers without using examples of biased statements, and displaying them in opposition.
 * Write in a more passive voice, Jerry, this is an encyclopedia, not a Blog.

Finally, the flag, "neutrality of factual accuracy is disputed or biased," i say to this, How can the knife I am holding in my hand, be a disputed fact, or I ask what specifically is biased.
 * "Most recognizable" is factually disputed and biased. I would think of 5 or 6 other gravity knives before the German one, especially the knives I carried as a teenager.It's all in the wording.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

If a statement that the planet pluto is no longer a planet is only held by american astronomers, is that a biased statement ?
 * It is to every other astronomer who does not hold that POV. We're talking about knives, here, not planets.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I have been following your edits concerning knives, and did not change anything, because I did not want to "own" an article. But in your efforts to make the article conform to Wiki-standards, you purge info instead of rewriting it, that is not editing.
 * It most certainly is if there's no inline citations.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

In switchblades, you removed the line, "the first switchblade may be lost to history, or hiding in a museum of renaissance armor" I conceded and left that true statement out, ( even though I could have referenced quote taken from the ben meyers book, )
 * Jerry, if you can reference the quote, by all means reference it. I'll even help with the formatting.  That's been my point from the beginning.  I liked what you wrote, but did not like it's tone, it's nonencyclopedic...perfect for a magazine article, just not here is all.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

and you removed the fig.A, Fig.B references to the image, (which Wiki does not specifically prohibit.) Are you going to purge this type of patent illustration format from OTF knives, and Pantographic knife ?
 * Probably when I get to them, it's sloppy writing for this format.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Likewise, hidden release scale opening double action folding knives, that also can be opened manually is merely a type of button mechanism, not a third type of switchblade, and you can't list them all.
 * Well get in there and source it.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

and why do you think its okay to make a point of fixing (adding Knives) to Kershaw, on a long list of american shops and think it's okay to list Frank (F.LLi.Beltrame) and AGA Campolin, but you delete Lucio Dibon (custom work, biggest known stiletto museum), and not mention AKC Beltrame or AB Colletarie, who also make stilettos.
 * Because I'm not a deletionist, Kershaw was going to be deleted so I fixed it. I'm actually surprised these articles have stayed under the radar for so long as is.  I want to fix them and get them up to Featured article status.  I'm looking forward to your help as you're obviously very knowledgeable.  As for the other makers...if they do not even show up on a google search they will not be considered notable by a neutral third party.  If mentioned in a book or article, cite the source.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

lost reply
I just replyed to this, under user talk, with my IP number, but I lost it I'm having trouble finding all the correct talk pages, running out of time today, Jerryk50 (talk) 19:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Jerry, it's cool..I'll work with you, don't feel rushed or pressured, there's no deadline. We can fix this.  You have a great start, it just needs some polish.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 19:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I added no commercial links to the Switchblade article and no "clickable links", someone else must have done that and you're confused. I added the reference to the Greg Walker book and properly formatted yours. An editor made an edit after I did, removing a link that was there before I ever touched it.

I know, when I first started I found it frustrating, myself. Don't think of it as what "everyone knows", but what's been published. Go through your old knife references...pool that information together and that's how you write a great article.

You did a great job on Switchblade and I improved where I could, cut what was opinion, and added more sources, and plan on a few more. You're obviously a great source of information on knives, and I want to see more from you.

Google seems to be the litmus test for notability. It has nothing to do with selling on the internet, although I will concede the first 100 or so hits usually are "sale links". I think it sucks, but I don't make these rules. If AKTI says that...why not write "According to the American Knife and tool Institute, this is the most recognizable..." then cite where they state that?--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 20:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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