User talk:Jesse997

Question
Regarding your edits &, you are removing information supported by reliable sources, AND you are not providing any reason for doing so. Because you are a new editor, rather than classify you as a vandal and giving you a hard time, we will simply and politely point out to you that information in wikipedia supported by a reliable sources is perfectly acceptable, and if you wish to remove it you a) have to have a good reason and b) you have to communicate the reason. You haven't done this. Please explain. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * BTW: Please note that if you remove it again without communicating a good reason, that edit WILL be classed as vandalism, and you will be treated accordingly. Let me assure you that you really don't want to go down that path. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. I or others will be more than happy to try to assist you. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * the "notable person" was added by the person mentioned and a half assed link was provided that was not recent nor was it relevant, so in hindsight I don't think you should be able to add yourself as notable and that be accepted sorry about not communicating wasn't 100% sure how not even sure if you will see this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.216.25.159 (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Either I don't entirely agree with you, or I don't entirely understand you, or some combination of the two:
 * Why do you say the link was added by the person mentioned?
 * Whether it's recent or not is irrelevant. The point is, is it accurate and reliable and relevant.
 * Why do you say it's not relevant?
 * Yes, the issue of someone asserting that they them-self are notable is problematic, but is not necessarily unacceptable
 * There are a number of ways of communicating - probably in the edit comment is the most effective and with the least effort
 * Yes, I've seen this (!)
 * Please sign your postings with ~
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:41, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about not signing off on the last comment it was written on my phone

the article linked as the resource was written by the same person who is claiming to be notable, if I wrote a piece about myself published it on a website then claimed to be a notable person then I would hope for it to be deleted as well the fact it has lasted this long without anyone looking into it is amazing, the woman is not a notable person from Whyalla I have lived in the town for nearly 30 years and I don't know who she is.
 * You aren't addressing my point. There is a claim supported by a reliable reference. Everything else you're saying is interesting, but not relevant. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

as for her being citizen of the year 2015 if she wants to be mentioned for that then I think that should be in a separate sub heading that also mentions other citizens of the year. thank you,Jesse997 (talk) 13:01, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Again, that's your view and your opinion. She's claiming notability for two reasons, and providing a supporting reliable reference. Yes, a separate section about citizens of the year would be nice, but it has nothing to do with her notability. i.e. You haven't made your case. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

how is a source reliable when you write it yourself? Jesse997 (talk) 13:20, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow! Fair comment. I'll do some homework and get back to you. (At the moment, I'm off to bed.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:32, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

this is a link to an edit on another wiki that was made by a user called Mark Tempany and Alison Hams Jesse997 (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The plot thickens!! Again, I'll get back to you. (I must admit that now that you've swapped from opinion to fact, I'm not finding it so easy to respond.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:32, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but haven't done my homework yet. However, given half a brain and half a minute's thought, "self promotion" is looking much more likely than "reliable source". Never-the-less, before it's removed I'd like someone (anyone) to look for independent source that might support the claim. Conversely, I'm not going to have twisted knickers if someone (anyone) has a justifiable reason, and preferably evidence, to remove it. Thanks for your efforts, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

I was looking further into this and it seems that this was added by a user called AHams which later had a link added  and also to her name, although the links to personal webpages were removed the info stayed, this add  was left with no references or resources only for self promotion if you look it up you will see that it is run by Alison Hams and Mark Tempany can I please remove this now? Jesse997 (talk) 04:08, 18 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid not. I started looking around, and although at first I could only find self-sourced stuff, I came across her "scrap book" which contains plenty of stuff from independent sources. Here's some of the stuff I found:
 * This page adds to her claims to notability. Even though it's pretty clear she wrote it, getting inducted into the Hall of Fame is notable.
 * Here's a page someone else wrote, though it looks like the someone isn't independent of her.
 * We already know about this page.
 * The Stormfront site has some notable stuff in it, including a front-page article from the Whyalla News of 15 October 2015, amongst other things.
 * Then there's another article in the Whyalla News: "Alison's Accolade" by Kate Bilney, 22 January 2015. (BTW, Ms Bilney states "Alison Hams is a well-known figure around Whyalla". Obviously you don't move in the right circles!! ;-) Also BTW: I'd be among the first to say Ms Bilney's work isn't the highest quality journalism I've read ... )
 * Other Whyalls News articles: 2 August 2016, 14 October 2015, etc.
 * A front-page article from the Whyalla News is sufficiently independent of her, and sufficient justification of notability. Add to that the 22 January 2015 article and others, and I don't think there's much doubt about notability supported by independent sources. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)



Hey Pdfpdf I have found a notable person from Whyalla Who is playing soccer in the English premier league could you give me a hand to insert this into the Whyalla Page?Jesse997 (talk) 21:40, 24 September 2017 (UTC)