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Baffling CSD nomination
Why did you nominate Jeanne Hallock for CSD, especially under A7 of all criteria? She was an Olympian which satisfies notability requirements. The article clearly shows the importance of the subject. I am baffled by this one. Go  Phightins  !  02:12, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't seem to be a notable Olympian - it says specifically she didn't receive any medals. That's my take on it, maybe an admin would find differently.  But under no circumstances are you allowed to remove a CSD tag from an article you created. The tag says "If this article does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice, but do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself." -- Jethro   B  03:10, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't create the article. By the way see WP:OLYMPICS. Go   Phightins  !  03:12, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know about that Wikiproject, but I'm not that interested in joining. -- Jethro  B  03:14, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it was supposed to be WP:NOLYMPICS. Go   Phightins  !  03:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK thanks, my mistake then. -- Jethro  B  03:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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icl chemicals
Hello, I've noticed you've undone the changes i made to the ICL Chemicals articles. the specific information given in that paragraph is wrong and incorrect, since the deal with UNICEF never materialized and it was cancelled in an early stage. hence, the information given is wrong and should be deleted or at the very least omitted and corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngilboa76 (talk • contribs) 07:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You did not provide a reason in the edit summary though, so I reverted. Please show me a reference that says it was cancelled, otherwise I can't know for sure this is true. -- Jethro   B  22:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Biden-Bibi relationship
re: RS on Biden/Netanyahu relationship: Wikipedia RS policies doesn't mention any restrictions on op-eds. Please state reasons why The Daily Beast is not considered RS acc. to those rules. They are part of Newsweek and are represented by recognized journalists. They are not self-published and are not considered a tabloid to my knowledge. The Biden statement has been questioned by more than just this piece. Please Google netanyahu biden 39 years 1973 if you wish to see more. The "family friends" comment is merely your conjecture - this could be asked about the author of any RS article. Tochnit9 (talk) 20:52, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Peter Beinart wrote an op-ed for the daily beast, that piece was an op-ed and his questioning of a statement doesn't make it a fact or even notable amongst others. Indeed, his views have stirred great controversy, and have been rejected by many people.  He wasn't writing an article, he wrote an op-ed - an opinion piece.  See more info at RS. -- Jethro   B  20:57, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You've just gone and reinserted an opinion piece as a fact without consensus. I highly recommend that you remove it for now. -- Jethro   B  20:59, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

re: op-ed / fact / notable

There is a fine distinction here.

What makes this notable is partly dependent on the genuine notability of a detail of the Vice President's nationally televised statement which raised eyebrows of people having a familiarity with the timeline of the Prime Minister's life.

The fact that I'm presenting here is merely that the accuracy of the statement has been questioned and not a declaration of whether the statement was right or wrong.

The reason for the raised eyebrows is the following: Bibi Netanyahu was unknown even to average Israelis before his brother Yoni was killed at Entebbe and was still largely unknown before he entered politics in the early 1980s.

It is theoretically possible for Biden or anyone else in the world to have met Netanyahu back in 1973, so one merely has to examine other sections of this wiki page and do the math to conclude one of the following: 1) A young US politician met an unknown Israeli student in Boston or in Israel in 1973 2) He had a slip of the tongue as to the exact number of years due to his being in office for 39 years 3) He exaggerated the number

No one is doubting that Biden has known Netanyahu for a significant number of years. However, if the "question" part of the content is removed then the "39 years" part sans any qualification would be misleading and a gross sacrifice of content quality for a debatable adherence to form and WP rules.

re: Beinart / great controversy

I am familiar with Beinarts's controversial views and harbor no love for his opinions in general. If Joe Isuzu had made the same statements they would be no less valid due to the points mentioned above :-). I merely quoted this publication over any other precisely since I thought it would fit most with Wikipedia's policies. There have been a spate of similar comments on the web before and after the one from TDB appeared.  If you like, I could reference the following critique of the "39" figure reported about Rupert Murdoch instead: Biden attacked in Murdoch's Twitter storm

So the choice is either include all the Biden information or none. I would prefer to show all and let the readers decide for themselves. Tochnit9 (talk) 21:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If a politican said that 2 + 2 = 5, and only some controversial guy writing an op-ed questioned this, it wouldn't be up to us to decide otherwise and do our own investigative work. That's WP:OR. Unless reliable, published sources state it has been questioned enough, there isn't any reason to include it.
 * And that last link you showed says it has been questioned by "bloggers." Blogs aren't RS. -- Jethro   B  22:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I am interested in enhancing the quality of Wikipedia by presenting accurate information. Here the Vice President stated an incredible number without further details. I have written to the VP at http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact-vp to gain clarification. (If I do get a meaningful response, I wouldn't include the info in the WP page due to OR policies but would use such a response to inform my judgement about the non-OR edits). Until more evidence of 39 years is shown, I strongly feel that my edit should be left intact. The article as is doesn't reflect consensus on this debated issue and I don't agree with your interpretation of the definition of RS as I stated above. Even if you were correct on this interpretation I would advise following Ignore_all_rules in order to protect the article's accuracy (2 + 2 = 5 hardly improves the article) and either include the entire content about Biden/Bibi or none of it. Tochnit9 (talk) 17:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * But while 2+2 doesn't equal 5, this is all just speculation by a few people (you referenced, specifically, 1 person), and is not necessarily false. We can't doubt the statements of every person just because someone else on the Internet said "No, it can't be! Look!" -- Jethro  B  22:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Your Rejection of My Wikipedia Article, 10/11/12
Hi Jethro,

This is Cee Anders. I was shocked to see my article rejected again after I'd spent several WHOLE DAYS, on and off the chat line to fix every single in-line citation issue cited in the article's original rejection, a week prior to your citing the exact same issues over which it was originally rejected, in your rejection notice. It doesn't seem logical tome that anyone would go through the trouble of resubmitting an edited Wiki article WITHOUT incorporating suggested edit changes. In the 9/27/12 rejection of my article,I was told that those were the only edit issues left to resolve. There was no mention of any rule that headlines could not be all-caps. Headline capitalization is kind of a stretch to use as Wiki article rejection rationale anyway, isn't it?

Most importantly, I checked the history of my last edit submissions after getting your rejection notice.

'The edited version I submitted with footnotes after the original 9/27/12 rejection was NOT the one you seem to have reviewed, for some reason (?), even though I submitted it with the help of the HELP line. Can you clarify to me why this is the case?'' '''

I am beyond frustrated.

Please helpBold text. I had changed the password at one point as well, but that change does not seem to have registered, either. I notice my password is still set as a temporary one. It shouldn't be.

Neither should it be this difficult to get a simple bio about a cultural icon approved. Wow.

Cee Anders 21:20, 18 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cee Anders (talk • contribs)
 * Relax, take a deep breath. I'm here to help. Firstly, I know which version I've rejected - and looking back at it, I agree completely with rejecting it.  There are too many references missing and there's a lot of unverified information. Consider the 1st paragraph in the section "MAGNET MEDIA GROUP AND MAGNET MEDIA PRODUCTIONS," the entire section "filmogrophy," 7/8 paragraphs in the section "bio," the entire section "TRANSITION FROM GERMAN FILM AND TELEVISION TO THE US FILM INDUSTRY."  Etc.


 * All information on Wikipedia must be reliably referenced and verifiable. There are too many paragraphs or sentences left without references.


 * Furthermore, there are too many words being bolded in the article. We generally avoid bolding words unless there's some specific purpose, and we don't bold words just to emphasize a point, as that would be our own point we're emphasizing.  I'd sugggest removing all the bold, except for the title, and changing all the titles of the sections to lowercase, which would match how Wikipedia artucles are structured.


 * Hope this helps. -- Jethro  B  22:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, thank you! -- Jethro  B  04:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

"Twitter removes French anti-Semitic tweets"
Did you see this? Seems worth a mention on the Twitter page at this point. Khazar2 (talk) 15:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've seen it, yes. I haven't yet created an article for the Twitter hashtag though, so I can't add it. When such an article is created, I'll insert it.  But yeah, this is major, and I think this definitely makes the hashtag specifically notable. -- Jethro   B  18:24, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

A little help
Here and here--Sonntagsbraten (talk) 23:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Ashkenazi Jews
As you have participated in previous discussion, I would like to hear your opinion about the current situation on the talk page, specially because in my opinion there is a direct attempt to create a POV there.--Tritomex (talk) 13:41, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not in my realm. For now, I assume good faith on part of all editors, but will participate in the discussion where it's appropriate with my responses. -- Jethro   B  14:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

AfC Backlog drive
Hi Jethro B, don't worry too much about your 'fail' for Andrew Govender. It just means you get one less 'point' towards your final score. You're absolutely right to move the article to mainspace (he's won a major modelling competition) and you correctly notified the author. However, it looked like you hadn't done a basic clean-up and added any clean-up templates (or the WP Biography tempate on the Talk page). If you don't want to spend time adding categories, place the template at the bottom of the article. Hope that helps. Best of luck for your other edits! Sionk (talk) 02:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh all right. Next time I'll make sure to do that. Thank you! -- Jethro   B  02:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

May I ask you why
you failed my review of Charles Scott? Thanks. Go  Phightins  !  02:11, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Tone seemed fine to me. Feel free to remove my fail, I don't have strong feelings on it. -- Jethro  B  02:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Palestine
Hi Jethro,

Thanks for your edit summary - I did mean to do that and I admit that my edit summary was shorthand speak aimed at those who had been involved before so I should have been more clear. It would be great if you were able to self revert.

FYI the shorthand was re the discussion at Talk:Palestine and Supreme's removal of the map here which I responded to by removing the Golan as requested.

Oncenawhile (talk) 23:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I apologize for the mistake, I did not get that from the edit summary but now that you've confirmed you meant this, I've self-reverted (just look at some other recent edits there, where a person wrote the wrong edit summary but then corrected himself). --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  23:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

CVU on IRC
Hi ! This is just to let you know that the Counter-Vandalism Unit has a presence on IRC and we'd love you to join us! You can get to the channel with the following link:

(Use the blue link to open the #wikipedia-cvu channel in your current IRC client (if you have one) or use the green link for a handy IRC web-client!)

If you'd like to find out more about Wikipedia on IRC then check out the IRC page on meta or contact me on my talk-page. Please also extend this invitation to any active CVU/CVUA members you know as IRC is a great way to communicate and coordinate! Thanks, I hope to see you there soon!  Alex J Fox  (Talk)(Contribs) 00:35, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  00:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Einstein et al
re:"non-existent ref, tried finding it online but no reliable sources" @Zionist political violence. These might help; see New Palestine Party; Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed and http://users.physics.harvard.edu/~wilson/NYTimes1948.html. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 06:28, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You know what they say - all Google searches give good results. But some give better results than others.


 * Self-reverted. Thanks for notifying me about this (although 1st ref, Wikisource, may not be best one. Why Harvard Physics gives a rat's buttocks about this is beyond me, although perhaps they're just compiling stuff from Einstein's life, but can't argue against reputability there). --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  06:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * This is one of those very rare occasions where randomness outperformed the google search algorithm because I just happened to remember that this letter exists. I guess there are probably better sources out there. Maybe the Einstein archive have it, perhaps there is a scan out there somewhere or a secondary source that covered it. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 07:07, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Please watch this article
Here--Sonntagsbraten (talk) 11:30, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I already have, but please be aware of WP:CANVASSING. This type of stuff could get you in trouble. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  18:27, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Message from Professortimithy
I know what you're trying to do. You're trying to F with all my contributions and try to get me banned because you have a political agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professortimithy (talk • contribs) 11:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Professortimithy, I'm not sure what interactions prompted this accusation, but you should take a look at our policy on assuming good faith before imputing motives. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 16:59, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Professor, I don't have any political agenda regarding toilet seats, or whether we should write that a person's nickname was "Dick." I only have the interests of Wikipedia in mind. So when you make unacceptable BLP violations, or make reverts without even explaining them and being reverted multiple times by other editors, there is something seriously not right going on here.  --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  18:25, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Z Space page - upgrading references?
Hi Jethro B:

Thanks for taking a look at the Z Space page. I'd be glad to improve the references in whatever way you recommend. However, I am puzzled. The Z Space entry currently has 11 references, including several references to the region's leading newspaper, The San Francisco Chronicle, and its website (www.sfgate.com.) By contrast, the current Wikipedia page for another leading Bay Area theatre company, Berkeley Repertory Theatre, is documented only by three references to the theatre's own website, followed by one local magazine article. Yet there isn't any notation on the Berkeley Rep's page about sourcing issues.

I'm not trying to cause difficulties for the Berkeley Rep page, which is an accurate entry for a renowned institution. But in assembling the Z Space entry, I did look at local peer institutions to see how they are presented on Wikipedia. I tried to create a Z Space entry that was a bit more fully documented than the entries for its peers.

Could you provide me with a few specific passages in the Z Space entry for which the sourcing currently isn't sufficient? I can then get to work on it.

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by AuthorTally (talk • contribs) 00:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * One such example is "During World War II, the building was converted into military use, making airplane parts. The building's interior was transformed into the Project Artaud Theatre in 1971."
 * However, I'd recommend discussing this with User:Ritchie333, who disagreed with me in accepting the AfC nomination. He may know more about it. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  00:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. I reworked the sourcing on the American Can section, adding in both a San Francisco architectural history book and a detailed article from Dance magazine about the rise and fall of the Artaud Theater. Hope that helps. I improved the sourcing in several other places, too. And I will check with Ritchie333. Let me know if there's anywhere else that needs attention. Once it's up to standards, could you or Ritchie333 remove the tags? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AuthorTally (talk • contribs) 06:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jethro B: The citations on the Z Space entry have been upgraded considerably since you flagged them earlier this month. These now total 15 citations, including a Z Space case study prepared by the Yale School of Drama (one of the leading U.S. universities, renowned for its drama department), as well as multiple articles from the San Francisco Chronicle, (the main newspaper in one of the largest U.S. urban regions), an article from Dance maagazine (respected in its field), and several arts blogs written by respected theater critics whose work has been published previously in mainstream publications (thereby passing the relevant Wikipedia reliability test.) There are three citations from the Z Space website, all of which concern basic facts. I believe that in those limited instances, self-published material is deemed acceptable under the Wikipedia reliability standards.

Thanks again for the nudge to establish reliability as fully as possible. I see that users Koavf and Derek R Bullamore, both of whom are utterly unknown to me, have also been helping get the citations in order. If this now passes muster, could you remove the reliability tag? I think it has served its purpose.

Also, I've tried to do the tildes properly this time, so that my signature appears properly at the bottom of the page. Sorry to have bungled it before.

AuthorTally (talk) 23:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Great work. I've removed the tag. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  23:02, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Palestinian template
I removed it because when I click on it, it asked me whether I wanted to start a template of that name. And the "V" and "T" links on the displayed template were red. What's going on? Can you link me to it? Tony  (talk)  03:11, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's very odd. It displays perfectly normal for me. Does this link work? It looks like this:

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 * I've come across this discussion by mere coincidence. The template's name parameter (which is used to make the V/T/E links) was deprecated and different from the actual name of the template (I assume due to a recent move), I've fixed that now, and it should work. Yazan (talk) 05:47, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, the link you provided, Jethro, gets me there, with Blue V-T-E. But above (and in the articles) it displays with red V and T, and when you click on the blue E to edit, it says "Creating Template:Palestinian terrorist attacks in the 2000s". Can it be fixed? Tony   (talk)  05:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, in the articles (they use the transcluded template) all the links work. Above, Jethro copy/pasted the old deprecated code for the template (instead of transcluding it) which is why it doesn't link properly. Fixed too. Yazan (talk) 06:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yazun's change has made the template work. Thanks Yazun! I'm going to put it back in some articles now, and the rest later, unless you get to it before me (it seems you have a script that can do the same action to many articles). --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  06:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Palistine
Your right, that sentence could be misunderstood. Good thing you caught that. I used a similar wording elsewhere that I just fixed. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:43, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was trying to think of some other wording, but couldn't think of any. If you feel that this is imperative for people to know, feel free to offer a suggestion to me, I'll self-revert, and put in your suggestion (just better this way so you don't technically break 1RR, even though you have my seal of approval). --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  00:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Strange behavior at Kidnapping and murder of Nissim Toledano
Hi, thanks for your note. Something is misbehaving on that page. If you go to the page history and step through one diff at a time, you will see that I removed the category "Israeli torture victims" (which is what I intended). But the diff you provided showed me removing different text. When I reverted myself, it actually did remove the other text (instead of putting it back)! Clearly a system malfunction. Hopefully the article is now in an intended state. Zerotalk 02:43, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow that is weird! OK, I'm looking at the article as it is now, and the category isn't in it, while the "part of" item is still in. So I guess it's good now.  That is very strange, sorry for the confusion! --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  02:45, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thank you, that's very nice of you! Jayjg <small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 20:07, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

List of Ghost in the Shell chapters
People seem to believe it is not a sister article to Ghost in the Shell and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. So can i just make the article? Both ghost in the Shell and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex are notable.Lucia Black (talk) 23:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. You need to show that an article for the chapters itself is notable, rather than including it in one of the ghost in the shell articles. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  23:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I just gave you two articles. At least Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. It was already in the articles, the only thing i want to do is make a spin-off.Lucia Black (talk) 23:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It still needs to be notable though for a spin-off. Maybe bring it up at the talk page of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and ask others for their input. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  23:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It is also a list article.Lucia Black (talk) 00:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, my suggestion is to ask people from that article by using the talk page for the article. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  00:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I just dont understand your reasoning if you keep treating it as if it wasnt a spin off/list article to two articles that are notable.Lucia Black (talk) 00:09, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because one article is notable doesn't mean that a spin-off of it would be. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  00:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * a list article too. That combined with spin off is the key feature.Lucia Black (talk) 00:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what exactly you're saying... If you think it's notable, ask some of the people on the talk page for the article about Ghosts in the shell, they'll be much more familiar with it. I don't really have anything to add. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  00:22, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * did you know list articles have a different criteria?.Lucia Black (talk) 00:25, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Let me just give you an example List of Soul Eater chapters. This is a featured list and is made up of mainly first party sources and is a spin off to Soul Eater.Lucia Black (talk) 00:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's enough. I rejected the nomination, you asked some questions and I responded. If you want to see what others have to say, go on that article's talk page or resubmit it.  I don't have anything to add, and commenting here isn't going to change that. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  00:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Let us be civil. I do it because i willfind am endless cycle.Lucia Black (talk) 00:38, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Social BPM
Hello!

The Wikipedia idea is about to die.

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/23/is_wikipedia_going_commercial/

Your old fashioned bureaucratic editing language herited from the last century might be useful to tell about the Mormons but not to carry innovative ideas.

On one hand one is not allowed to copy excerpts from books or articles. On the other hand one needs to respect existing sources. Innovation killed.

What do you think would have been Moise's reaction if Wikipedia would have asked him to document his sources to write the 10 commandments?

My sources here for Social BPM are wisdom, knowledge, experience, existing articles, and INSPIRATION.

If it helps I can enter INSPIRATION in the sources.

Social BPM is a powerful concept that could be useful for many applications.

If I manage to deliver an european concept of Social Media avoiding the pitfalls of Facebook with suicides and turmoil will you approve my article?

I will not change one word now. I can wait until Wikipedia goes commercial.

Best Regards

Cheffounet (talk) 02:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

(I am not saying that the reviewers are the problem, only the policies and procedures) - non scalable model
 * People have been saying that "Wikipedia is about to die" for a long time so you can probably guess how likely that is going to happen. It is also probably not going commercial, as editors here are generally against paid editing of any kind.
 * No, you're not allowed to copy verbatim what is copyrighted in other sources. You need to be able to put things in your own words.  That's not stifling innovation, it encourages it.  Also, it keeps Wikipedia from being sued for copyright infringement.
 * Also, reliable sources cited in your current article (like this one do not even mention Social BPM. This scholarly article does not seem to state how many times it has been cited, meaning that its impact cannot be assessed. Many other sources are blogs or slideshows.  Wikipedia does not allow articles on the basis of individuals' subjective experience, knowledge, wisdom, or inspiration.  These do not provide a source of verifiability that everyone can access, which is what an online encyclopedia like this one seeks to provide.  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 02:33, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Great response Jethro, I wasn't even planning on responding here, but you hit it on the mark. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  03:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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The editor with conspiracy theories has deleted your contributions at the talk page"Capitalismojo (talk) 03:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There's no point edit-warring over it, I filed a report at WP:ANI and I'll see what happens. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro  B  03:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

LOL - "I filed a report at WP:ANI and I'll see what happens." "I think that Vexorg's behavior should be looked into." --- I couldn't care less 'what happens' and I couldn't care less if sad people with nothing better to do "look into my behavior"

The reason I reverted your edits on the talk page is because I don't think any one editor should decide what can and cannot be discussed on a talk page. I am perfectly happy that Wikipedia editors have a diverse range of political views, but when it comes to individual editors proclaiming divine right to censor and stifle discussions then I an not happy.

By all means edit and police actual articles along stricter guidelines, but once you start policiing tlak pages you step over the line and into the realm of self appointed censor. when you then take this to ANI you make yourself look even worse

Capitalismojo (talk says: "The editor with conspiracy theories" - This is just a reta5rdwed comment. Wikpiedia is FULL of conspiracy theories. Remember Wikipiedia works upon verifiability not truth [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability,_not_truth so any thery can make it into Wikipedia provided it has notability and a source deemed as reliable.

I can only suggest you re-evalaute what your agenda is regarding editing Wikipedia Vexorg (talk) 06:07, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As I explained to you, uninvolved editors or admins can hat a discussion that violate policy if they feel it's necessary. I welcome your opinion, but you can't just post rants on talk pages solely based on your personal opinion. We're not a forum. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  06:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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i saw your user page, and it thanks you for "your collaboration on the death Yasser Arafat"...hmmm.....not sure i would go around publicizing that. Soosim (talk) 06:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Finally someone realizes. All this time, I was trying to drop a hint to the Palestinian Authority about who was responsible, but they just keep buying this polonium story! --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  15:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Milestones Trust
Please could you tell me why you have declined my submission for an article about Milestones Trust: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AndreaL84&diff=next&oldid=519318594

In your response you note:

This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.

However, I am forced to disagree.

Firstly the guidelines on the notability of organisations and companies state that the organisation (in this case a charitable organisation) must be the subjeect of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. All of the sources I have cited are these. For example a local newspaper which obviously entirely indpendent of the organisation and talks in depth in the article cited about Milestones Trust and it's history. Other independent and reliable sources I have cited include:

CQC- the governing body for care homes in the UK, hardly biased towards one organisation Third Sector- an independent website and magazine covering the whole of the third sector in the UK The Bristol Post, as noted above Guy Salmon Land Rover - an independent retailer Carehome.co.uk, an independent website which contains CQC reports

You have asked that I improve referecing and cite more sources, however, almost every sentence is sourced. What more can I do?

I note that we have a competitor listed on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Trust and I would like to ask what they have done differently to us that allows them to be listed?

Any constructive comments for improvement would be welcomed.

Yours despairingly

Andrea — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaL84 (talk • contribs) 09:22, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Firstly, it's not the best thing to be making an article just because you have a competitor. But your submission has been rejected many times, as I'm a bit busy you may want to ask the person before me who rejected it, but here's what I can tell you. Firstly, an entire passage in the "history" section is completely unreferenced.  References 3, 4, 10, 11, and 15 don't even show up as proper references, and you need to format them correctly (see WP:REFB).  Secondly, there are quite a few links to The Milestones Trust in this article, despite it being the company itself.  That's acceptable if you want to write what the company describes themselves as, with proper attribution, but not otherwise. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Jethro   B  15:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Regarding your recent edit. Firstly, I haven't made any comparisons, I am simply reporting what high quality RS have said on the topic per WP:NPOV. You have reverted my latest addition to the article and you must justify your action. your edit summary bears no relation to the source evidence or Wikipedia policy. I would like you to state exactly what issue you have with each and every source that you have removed from the article. Dlv999 (talk) 16:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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