User talk:Jethwarp/Archive 4

Bouncing wiki logo
Hi, Jethwarp. I just noticed there's a bouncing wikiball here (+ alternative version here). Those are files on Commons, and widely used; I should think you can put one of them on your userpage quite safely, if you're missing the friendly bounce. ;-) Bishonen &#124; talk 22:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC).


 * Hey!!! Thanks a lot for the above info - Bishonen. Jethwarp (talk) 04:36, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hehe, love the explosion! Bishonen &#124; talk 10:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC).

Rajput chiefs
Hi, we do not categorise people by caste, so the Rajput chiefs cat that you are currently adding should not even exist. See User:Sitush/Common for some background. Ta. - Sitush (talk) 09:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Dear Sitush, In fact I was also confused as there are two categories Category:Rajput chiefs and Category:Rajput rulers. I think there may be lot of editors who will be confused, so it is better that Category it self is deleted. Thanks. Jethwarp (talk) 09:54, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Makardhwaja
An article that you have been involved in editing, Makardhwaja, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. ScitDei talk 11:55, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

DelRev
I appreciate your suggestion at the del rev for Hindu-Jain.  DGG ( talk ) 19:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Ohh!! Thanks for above message. Have a nice day!!! Jethwarp (talk) 03:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Pashupati seal
Pashupati seal Does not shows seated ithyphallic. It shows animals surrounding a human. All of 24 tirthankararas are associated with 1 animal. example Lord Mahavir is associated with Lion, Pasarvnath with snake, Rishab with Bull, Shantinath with Deer. The striking feature is that, there is deer below the seat of human (Exactly this is the way jains put one animal as a symbol below the seat of their Tirthankaras). All tirthankars are nude but not ithyphallic like shiva.I saw the similarity hence i disseminated my knowledge of history. I think it is good to have others point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.204.213.43 (talk) 00:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC) Jainism teaches tolerance to other religions but it also teaches to stand for truth. Hinduism and Jainism both originated from Indus civilization and both are as old as history can go. So, how can one say that there cannot be (or must not be) any Jain idol or picture in Indus valley? how can one say that there cannot be roots of Jainism in Indian history/Indus valley? Yes, Pashupati is one of the names of shiva. Hinduism is very popular in India. Can any one tell me if, Hindus place a small icon of animal under the seat/throne of Shiva exactly like this in picture?

As far as the name " pashupati seal is concerned, it was given by a british archaeologist. Probably because Hinduism was very popular and Shiva rides on bull. Also because pashupati is one of the names of shiva. But, this is a modern nomenclature, there is no such name as 'pashupati seal' in brahmi language. It is not the name written on the picture. Therefore i am sharing my knowledge of history. dissemination of knowledge is not a crime...why my posts are deleted with bias? Yes I have been to Kathmandu Pashupati Nath temple and i have seen the idol of shiva. It is different !Dr Prashanna Jain Gotani (talk) 00:41, 17 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Prashanna Jain Gotani (talk • contribs)


 * I've had the same post. We can only reflect what souces that meet our criteria at WP:RS say, and of course this is the English language wiki so we use English names. I've reverted your edits as the sources don't meet our criteria at WP:RS - but right now we have at least 3 articles that mention this, all saying slightly different things. We also need to be careful not to state disputed material as fact. Dougweller (talk) 06:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Doughweller, I have added back word ithyphallic which is a fact and added back other relibale sources. Also there is some POV pushing by Jainism POV pushers - which need to checked. I work on neutral POV and would be thankful if you can add some relibale sources to what I have added - but deleting word ithyphallic makes no sense. Thanks!! Jethwarp (talk) 06:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I have explained in my edit summaries why Gregor Maehle and Manohar Laxman Varadpande (a clearly reliable source for theater, but not for prehistory) fail our criteria at WP:RS. They really should not be used, we should be using qualified academics. Do I really have to raise this at WP:RSN? As for ithyphallic, although a number of sources state this as fact, others are not quite sure, eg "Shaivism in Ancient India: From the Earliest Times to C.A.D. 300" Ishwar Chandra Tyagi - 1982 - ?Snippet view - "The bull was a sacred animal which is clear from the short-horned bull and the humped bull on the various seals from ... Marshall's identification of the deity of the figure with Shiva- Pashupati or a prototype of Shiva raises a problem when ... He himself admits, 'whether the god is intended to be ithyphallic or not is doubtful." This says "appears to be". This has a list of questions that have been raised, including gender, whether he/she is in a yoga stance, whether there are 3 heads, and whether ithyphallic or not. Then there is Flood who I am guessing is the original source for probably "The Saiva Traditions"G Flood - The Blackwell Companion to Hinduism, ... The famous “Pasupati” seal shows a seated, perhaps ithyphallic". Note also about the horns - some suggest this is a headdress. NPOV means we don't state something as fact that is questions, and that we show all significant views. I've raised the whole issue of this seal at the Wikiproject India talk page. Dougweller (talk) 10:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion
Obviously Dundas is not a reliable source, you must share your opinion here Talk:Jainism and Hinduism. Also have a look at Criticism of Jainism, there was discussion and few edits recently. Bladesmulti (talk) 20:30, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi . Thanks for info. Actually I was traveling hence off-wiki. However, I have made my views clear at WP:RSN today-- Jethwarp (talk) 09:27, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

TY anyways
This is correct BTW, Dayanand did criticized hinduism too, especially the post vedic hinduism, not the vedic or pre vedic though, but still he did it. That's why i had added him to this template, ages ago. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:11, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You should participate here at Criticism of Jainism, now we got Fowler to remove the opinion of Sam Harris, other than that, the page seems to be more about Jainism Vs Hinduism(brahmo samaj vs arya samaj) Vs a no namer opinion, which is simply mess. Bladesmulti (talk) 14:10, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

A note
Articles for deletion/Criticism of Jainism Described there already, that I disagree with Guru Nanak, as his purpose might have been to point out mistakes of Jainism or something, but he's same as the Pope, just letting you know, so this won't become issue in future.. Bladesmulti (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Share your opinions?
These articles:-


 * Articles for deletion/Narayan Sai (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Ramendra Nath
 * Articles_for_deletion/Bihar Buddhiwadi Samaj
 * Articles_for_deletion/Territorial disputes of India and Nepal Bladesmulti (talk) 04:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Rahul jain is disruptive?
Considering that he dictates the pages, for example that Hinduism and Jainism page, he can add just anything he wants yet he would reject if you present him anything and say "go get verification of the source" ? Bladesmulti (talk) 08:33, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Many USERS are aware of his tactics just go thru WT:INB archives 54 & 55. Jethwarp (talk) 09:54, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Merge Surti and Gujarati articles?
First, apologies for taking so long to respond to your comment on my talk page. I got busy and did not notice the message. I have responded at the Gujarati Muslims talk page. Thanks. Peter Chastain (talk) 12:03, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for 1956 Anjar earthquake
 Harrias  talk 01:32, 20 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Harris - for the info. This is first DYK from my 300+ articles. It certainly feels nice to know this. Jethwarp (talk) 08:09, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Criticism of Jainism
Have a look at recent changes. I have removed the BBC link, and replaced with other just now. Bladesmulti (talk) 03:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi!! Bladesmulti, thanks for the info. Finally circus is over. And yeah Happy 2014 in advance. Cheers!! Jethwarp (talk) 17:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Use of copyrighted content on Wikipedia
Hello. The article Criticism of Jainism was listed at the copyright problems board for evaluation for copyright issues. One sentence flagged as unacceptably close to the BBC source is the following:
 * Digambara sect believes that women are inherently himsic (which is best translated as harmful) ...

The BBC source says:
 * Digambaras also believe that women are inherently himsic (which is best translated as harmful)....

This content seems to have been added by you, here:.

This is not a proper use of information from external sources. Please review Copy-paste and especially Close paraphrase. While you're welcome to take information from sources, you need to put it in your own words. I'm afraid all you've done here is add the word "sect" and move an "s" from the end of one word to the end of another.

At this point, I think it is probably sufficient to flag the close paraphrasing in the article and allow it to be rewritten without blanking, but this needs to be attended. If you have copied or closely paraphrased other content, please make sure that it is completely rewritten or presented as explicitly and clearly marked quotations, in accordance with WP:NFC. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:25, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help find a resolution. The thread is "Criticism of Jainism". Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! --MrScorch6200 (t c) 19:50, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Sadabad

 * Sorry, Jaish Chauhan, I had to revert some part of your contributions in Sadabad, India again. Please read WP:NOTADVERTISING. We are not supposed to add names of local shops and other such names. If in any case they are to be named in an article - it should be backed by solid reliable sources. For example K.C. Das Grandsons is a famous sweet shop of Calcutta. It has separate article on it in Wikipedia. Even if we cannot build an article - it should be backed by reliable sources like Newspaper article or other independent sources to be added to Calcutta article. Thanks & Have a nice day!! Jethwarp (talk) 14:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

New cat
You probably are not watching it, so please note Category talk:Indian political leaders imprisioned during the Emergency. - Sitush (talk) 09:42, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Dear Sitush, replied at category talk page. How is your health now. Must be fine. Thanks Jethwarp (talk) 09:46, 4 February 2014 (UTC)