User talk:Jfoend

Concern regarding Draft:Saicalculator
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Proposed deletion of Saicalculator


The article Saicalculator has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Likely not notable.. all sources appear to self-published/authored by the developer of the product themselves. Page was moved from draftspace by initial author after gaming autoconfrmed requirements by making pointless edits to user page."

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 18:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I am rather inclined to speedily delete the article as promotional, but I have decided to move it back to draft space to provide an opportunity for improvement. Wikipedia is not a medium for promoting, advertising, or publicising anything. However, if you continue to do things like making multiple pointless edits in order to get autoconfirmed, you will be blocked from editing. Wikipedia is not a game where players are welcome to try to find ways of evading the effects of the rules if they can. JBW (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I see that while I was composing that message another administrator took a slightly different view, and deleted the page. Probably just as well, as it prevented further waste of time on something which was virtually certain to end up deleted anyway, as it looks to me as though it doesn't come anywhere near to satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines. You should have a look at those guidelines before trying to create any more articles.
 * My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. JBW (talk) 19:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Answer to the deletion
Well, It is True that "Page was moved from draftspace by initial author after gaming autoconfrmed requirements by making pointless edits to user page."

In order to be confirmed, I have made grammar corrections in Turkish Vikipedi. However, It did not affect English wikipedia which I have an draft article about a non-profit website. Then I did spuriously edited my user page which may be unsuitable. (I did not want to repeat all my effort)

I do accept that what I have done to my user page is wrong. On the other hand, I believe that the article that I have written about the website is not unsuitable for Wikipedia. I have already read the notability guideline and I could not find any problems with the article. The article clearly gives information and promotes nothing. If you look at the webpage that I have written about, It does not make any money from users.

Jfoend (talk) 19:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The "article" contained four "references": a link to the WHOIS record for the domain, and three links to pages hosted at the subject's site. The text of the article basically said that the site exists and provided a description of what it literally contains. There was no indication of importance whatsoever, let alone notability based on reliable sources. I stand by my decision to speedily delete it via WP:CSD. -- Kinu t/c 20:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The deletion was not because the page didn't give information, nor because it promoted anything, so both of those are irrelevant, whether true or not. AS for whether the web site gets money from users, that is never relevant: not a single one of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines makes any distinction whatever between commercial and non-commercial subjects. As for your having read the notability guidelines, you must have seriously misunderstood them, because all but one of the references you provided were on the web site of the organisation itself, and the other one was merely a "Whois" listing of the registration of the domain name of that web site: it did not even mention the calculator, let alone give substantial coverage of it. I find it difficult to see how anyone who has read the notability guidelines can imagine those references establish notability. JBW (talk) 22:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Can I at least get the content of the article? Jfoend (talk) 19:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Would you like me to email it to you? If so, do you want the wikimarkup as seen when you edit the page, just the bare text, or an html copy of the page as it would display on the screen? JBW (talk) 20:36, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you send all versions if possible? Thank you sincerely. Jfoend (talk) 22:19, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have not got the mail yet. If it will be hard otherwise, you can send one of 3 versions. Jfoend (talk) 19:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)