User talk:Jgstokes/Archive 15

Nomination for deletion of Template:List LDS Temple Peru
Template:List LDS Temple Peru has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Editor at Talk:Joseph Smith
You wrote WP:Mormonism and I removed the WP as that made a red link - something I've done before. But I discovered something interesting, List of Christian movements. I wondered why the Latter Day Saint movement wasn't there, and then I read the lead. "A Christian movement is a theological, political, or philosophical interpretation of Christianity that is not generally represented by a specific church, sect, or denomination." Interesting and confusing. Of courses reliable sources use the term, but I can see someone arguing that it isn't a religious movement (the argument about political movements is silly). Doug Weller talk 09:49, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Young men
It should now read those who will turn 12 in the year. As it reads now, one can only see that the age is 12-18, but with new guidelines an 11 year old may be in young men classes, additionally, they may participate as a Deacon at 11 yrs old. 73.3.79.11 (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Area (LDS Church)
I've admired and thank you for your work on the many pages you've worked on and kept up-to-date. For Area (LDS Church) I'm ok with particulars, but it needs to be up-to-date. The Bentonville Mission, for example, has been part of the NA SE area for a few years now, has congregations in 4 states. None of TX is in NA SE. None of AZ is in the NA west area. Nunavut was listed in the wrong area. The entirety of Northern Idaho (many congregations, and covers an area larger than many eastern states) is in the NA West area. I updated boundaries and made it slightly more general as these boundaries change periodically. I only checked and updated the six North American Areas.

How particular should it be? The SW corner of Arkansas is in the NA SW area (neither revisions show it). Is it that important that it be stated as part of the area boundaries. Oklahoma has a congregation and its entire panhandle in the NA Central area. KS has congregations in the NA SE area. It's not the area boundary, but Memphis stake had a congregation in Arkansas last year, but not this year when the Helena branch was dissolved. The same could be true for a Texas stake that periodically tries to have a congregation in De Queen Arkansas. These particular examples don't directly affect whether an area is within the state, but other single-unit locations in another state may. A single stake added to the Nevada Las Vegas Mission moved all congregations and territory in AZ that were part of the NA West area into the NA SW area.

I'm personally ok if you or anyone else add particulars, but it needs to be correct and kept updated. For reference, I've been using https://classic.churchofjesuschrist.org/maps/. Let me know if there's a better source. Because Areas follow mission boundaries, it maybe good to relook at the boundaries after July mission realignments. Realignments can happen any time of the year, but in July (change of mission presidents) is when a larger portion takes place. Just my thoughts. Thanks-Dmm1169 (talk) 13:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Area boundaries seem to coincide with mission boundaries within the area, more than temple district or other boundaries. For example, after the Tulsa Mission office moved to Bentonville, the mission became part of the NA SE area even though it was still in the Oklahoma City Oklahoma Temple district (although a temple is under construction in Bentonville). I haven't found any area boundaries that are different than the missions it covers - other than in geographic areas with no mission coverage (ie. Middle East and North Africa). That being said, the page lists states and territories in Area, or lists temples within an area, but no list mission list within an area. -Dmm1169 (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

IP 2603
I wanted to thank you for upholding the removal, and let you know that they did actually report me on the ANI board. You’ll see the registered name in there. I don’t know if you’ve seen what happened, but it turned into an all out assault over a violation I didn’t even make. It was disheartening and cruel.--CreecregofLife (talk) 10:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure it will help, but I weighed in with my two cents on the discussion in question. The report was out-of-line, and any past misconduct on your end in the past should not have been a germaine consideration for the present issue. The actual violator was the anoymous editor. So I did weigh in. Hopefully it does have some impact. And it was my pleasure to assist in this matter. --Jgstokes (talk) 19:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that the user logged out somewhere in the range to revert me and give the illusion that I'd be the edit warrer. The grudge keeps going CreecregofLife (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Editor of the Week
User:FormalDude submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * I nominate Jgstokes to be Editor of the Week for their perseverance as an editor. They have overcome arduous life-challenges, ones that I cannot fathom the effect they'd have on my ability to contribute to Wikipedia. Despite that, they have continued to donate their time to this project since 2007 with over 10K edits with 58% in mainspace. Their main area of focus is Religion which is an area that is particularly difficult to edit. They are a member of WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement, and List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been greatly enhanced by their input. I am grateful for their stellar writing and honest insight. They are one of the most cooperative editors I have come across. I know this award is normally reserved for more active editors, but I would really like to acknowledge Jgstokes work over the lifetime of Wikipedia.

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Thanks again for your efforts! &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   14:18, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

You are "An extended confirmed user, 15 years 1 month old, with 10,690 edits. Last edited 12 hours ago."
That's what I see on the top of your talk page. It's a script. If you can't find it, let me know. It may be the same one that shows me blocked editors. Or Admins. I've probably got too many because something often stops Twinkle showing up until I refresh. Doug Weller talk 12:07, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * That's odd. I don't see it. What should I do about that? Jgstokes (talk) 19:01, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant I have a script that shows that. Doug Weller  talk 19:12, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * So are you suggesting that you have the script to give me if I want to use it? Or are you just indicating you can see something I can't? Just want to make sure I uderstand you correctly. Jgstokes (talk) 19:15, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Tell you what, I’ll look for the script tomorrow and hopefully give you the link. It’s very useful. Doug Weller  talk 19:17, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The script is User:PleaseStand/User info. –– FormalDude   talk   23:37, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , I tried to create the script in question, but I'm having some issues. Could you look over the page in question and perhaps clue me in on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 23:56, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like it should be working. You do need to bypass your cache too. –– FormalDude   talk   12:54, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It is working. Jgstokes (talk) 04:25, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Avengers RfC
You mind toning down your responses? You made that very personal when I asked you a plain question. I may not be part of the MCU clique, but I'm not green, either. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:52, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Callings in general
It would be fortuitous to start listing callings "in general", such as within area presidencies, temples, or missions. It might require some work (perhaps needing a draft article). I would have them on their own page and include any callings, but still noting "priesthood" or other callings as such. Altanner1991 (talk) 04:50, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:List of general officers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints/August 2022
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 * Hi, may I ask whether you still need this and other copy articles? WP:COPYARTICLE says they should not be kept indefinitely. You can tag them with db-author if you have finished and would like them to be deleted. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:53, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

MOS:LDS change discussion
A change to a provision at MOS:LDS regarding capitalization in titles is currently being discussed at that you might be interested in. Please participate in the discussion there, thanks. --FyzixFighter (talk) 12:54, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello. Sorry to respond so late. I moved in October, so for a while, my time here has been limited to essential updates. I saw the discussion in question and was disappointed by the decision that was made. My understanding thereof is that Wikipedia's policies about naming conventions in reference to incorporates entities such as the Church's established name and the fact that "The" in the name thereof is capitalized in reliable sources should mean that we stick with the conventions relating to those mentions. I wish I understood more fully why the status quo was acceptable for so long, but in recent years we've seen more of these types of discussions leading to outcomes supported by editors who, up until recently, had not been involved in such discussions. Frustrating! I have one or two editors I know of whom I've been able to consult with on problems like these, so I'll try to remember to seek their in advice on this latest situation and see if they know of anything that might help. Thanks. Jgstokes (talk) 08:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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Peace Dove
Happy Holidays. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   20:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kindness and thougt that went into what you shared above. I have greatly enjoyed these 15-some-odd years as Wikipedia editor doing his best to work with many ohers, including you, towards constructive and acceptable resolutions thereunto that will continue to improve Wikipedia content in the years ahead. The world's been a little nuts lately, with so much craziness going down. My prayer for you and yours this season is that you all may be protected in everythig you undertake. Keep up the great work here, and thanks again!-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgstokes (talk • contribs) 07:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)