User talk:Jhelmmac

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Hello, Jhelmmac, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Shalor and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.

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Me Too
Hi! Just wanted to give you a head's up about the article. The topic of Me Too has been controversial on Wikipedia, as people have had long and sometimes heated discussions about what should be in the article, what should be used as sources, and so on. As such, the article has been subjected to sanctions. What this essentially boils down to is that you need to make sure that you're using the strongest possible sourcing and that your writing is as neutral and encyclopedic as possible. If the material is removed, it's important to discuss the reversion on the talk page before attempting to re-add anything.

Offhand the main thing I noted with what you added was that you used the sources WomenSafe.net and Diggit magazine. Be very, very cautious with sourcing, as we can't always guarantee the editorial oversight, neutrality, or accuracy of most sourcing found on the Internet. For example, while WomenSafe doing an important, vital work, we can't guarantee that the people running the newsletter verify every detail before publishing. (This can be especially true for smaller organizations and non-profits, who may not have the money and staff to fully verify everything that is put out.) The same can be said for Diggit magazine. Basically, we need to be able to show where these outlets have been repeatedly cited as a reliable source by an authoritative reliable source, especially academic and scholarly sources. There are also some concerns with tone, specifically that it comes across as a little pro-MTM, although the main sentence that looks to kind of give off this impression is "Communicating similar experiences and "sharing feelings in some form of togetherness" connects people and can lead to "formation of a process of collective action"." I do see where you used quotes, so the main thing to do with claims like this is attribute them to the person making the claim.

I hope this note helps you - I don't want this to discourage you from editing the page, I more just wanted to give you a head's up about this since edits to controversial topics are often scrutinized heavier than they are with other articles. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:33, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

greyed-out Publish button
It at least seems to be a reported bug. See: WP:Village pump (technical)  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 15:11, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Jhelmmac, a way to save your edits would be to switch from VisualEditor to source mode (you can do so following these directions, then scroll down to the bottom of the page and press the publish button (make sure to leave an edit summary!). Your edits will still be there even after switching between modes, as long as you don't exit the page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:10, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Me Too
Hi, I have some notes over your edits at the article with this edit. For the time being I've reverted your changes to the section on the movement in Australia.


 * Your change to the section for Australia is not written from a neutral perspective and is very much written in favor of the Me Too movement. While I share your sentiments, the article should not take a specific stance or viewpoint on the topic. Even if your intentions are good, this would still be seen as biased since it takes a definitive stance on the Me Too movement and Tracey Spicer. Here's what was in the section:
 * In Australia, the movement was brought more attention when Tracey Spicer linked the #MeToo movement to the media industries long silenced issues with sexual assault. As a reporter and journalist, Tracey investigated two long-term offenders in the industry, though her efforts were slowed by Australia’s defamation laws and understaffed newsrooms. In her memoir The Good Girl Stripped Bare, she wrote about her own experiences of sexual harassment in the work place. Using the Me Too movement as inspiration for her own investigation, Spicer is demonstrating how social action can enact real change. Tracey Spicer inspired by the U.S. Time’s Up initiative, started Now Australia, a campaign aimed at helping connect people with legal support and counselling. The #MeToo effect has now expanded beyond Australian media. The Australian Human Rights Commission launched an independent search into workplace sexual harassment that is the first of its kind in the world.
 * Phrases like "long silenced" are inherently non-neutral, since they carry with them a lot of loaded emotions and meanings. It could also be seen as a bit subjective to the reader, since people's ideas of what the term means may differ, as the term is pretty vague. In order to use them you'd have to kind of 'defuse' them by attributing the claims to the person making them, if you're using a term they specifically used.
 * This sentence is also very non-neutral since it's written like an opinion. Just as the term long silenced can be subjective, so too can opinion statements like this.
 * Using the Me Too movement as inspiration for her own investigation, Spicer is demonstrating how social action can enact real change.
 * Essentially this is written as a personal opinion as opposed to stating something along the lines of "Spicer has received praise for her actions and has been appointed as a Member of the Order of Australia "for significant service to the broadcast media as a journalist and television presenter, and as an ambassador for social welfare and charitable groups". The section is also vague at times and needs to be more specific. You should also not use Spicer's first name when writing about her on Wikipedia since it's seen as too informal.
 * Essentially this is written as a personal opinion as opposed to stating something along the lines of "Spicer has received praise for her actions and has been appointed as a Member of the Order of Australia "for significant service to the broadcast media as a journalist and television presenter, and as an ambassador for social welfare and charitable groups". The section is also vague at times and needs to be more specific. You should also not use Spicer's first name when writing about her on Wikipedia since it's seen as too informal.


 * With your edit you removed this information entirely:
 * In Australia, the movement led to the disgrace of Don Burke. It has been hypothesised by The Age that Australia's strict defamation laws make it difficult for more victims to come forward.
 * You should not remove information from an article unless there is good reason to remove it, such as the content having issues such as accuracy or not being up to date. It looks like the Don Burke disgrace was pretty major in Australia, so it should remain in the article.
 * You should not remove information from an article unless there is good reason to remove it, such as the content having issues such as accuracy or not being up to date. It looks like the Don Burke disgrace was pretty major in Australia, so it should remain in the article.

I'd re-write this along these lines:
 * In October 2017 reporter and journalist Tracey Spicer announced on Twitter that she was launching an investigation into reports of sexual harassment by powerful Australian men in the media in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse allegations and the rise in public awareness of the #MeToo movement. Earlier that same year, Spicer had released a memoir, The Good Girl Stripped Bare, where she wrote about her own experiences of sexual harassment in the work place. Spicer later reported that she had received responses from 470 people about people in the industry, including Australian television presenter and producer Don Burke. The extent of the claims against Burke were published by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and The Sydney Morning Herald in a joint investigative piece on 26 November 2017, where it was reported that "One name kept recurring – Don Burke." Spicer, along with Kate McClymont, Lorna Knowles and Alison Branley, won the 2018 Walkley Awards in the print/text journalism and Television/Video Current Affairs Short (less than 20 minutes) categories for their investigation and on Australia Day in 2018, Spicer was appointed as a Member of the Order of Australia "for significant service to the broadcast media as a journalist and television presenter, and as an ambassador for social welfare and charitable groups".  After accepting the award, Spicer stated that "While conditions have improved in the TV business since I initiated legal action against Network Ten, more subtle forms of pregnancy discrimination permeate many workplaces. So, while we have policies and procedures in place, there remains a rump of cultural resistance to the idea of ‘working mothers’.” Later that same year, Spicer and Melinda Schneider launched NOW Australia,  a campaign aimed at helping connect people with legal support and counselling.
 * Since then the #MeToo effect has now expanded beyond Australian media and the Australian Human Rights Commission has launched an independent search into workplace sexual harassment that is the first of its kind in the world.

This gets the same information across, but in a more neutral fashion while also giving enough detail to give a general overview of events. You can definitely use any or all of this, if you want. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 01:40, 29 November 2018 (UTC)