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Why do you think the Azd tribe still exists today?Yuber(talk) 23:16, 10 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I thought that this tribe still exists in yemen, but I was wrong. Only the family name still exists.Jidan 01:24, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

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I'm warning both you, User:MB, User:ManiF and User:Zmmz. I'm not going pick sides here as there is some truth in everbodies arguments. However your collective actions are damaging the articles. If you truly are intresting in writing a good and objective on al-Khwarizmi you will stop editing and take your differences to talk page and discuss things civily. And please thouroughly read through WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:NOR and stop all the speculations and citing of websites and other encyclopedias. And please do go out to the library and find some books on him and see what the historians have to say on this matter. Cheers, —Ruud 23:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic synchronous Transfer Mode
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Al-Kindī
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 * Please leave the categories alone; if you continue to remove legitimate categories for PoV reasons, you may end up being blocked from editing for a while.
 * No, its not for PoV reasons, its for scientifc reasons. Jidan 18:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

That is nonsense, I'm afraid. There are no "scientific reasons" for removing categories. Your claim in your edit summary was: "Al-kindi was a scientist! Being shia or sunni muslim has no relevance". First, it's relevant to his philosophy, for which he's at least as important. Secondly, dates of birth and death, nationalities, etc., are also irrelevant to being a scientist; why did you only remove the categories that involve his being Sunni (not even the categories that refer to him as a Muslim scientist, etc.)? --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 19:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * At the time of al-kindi, being shia or sunni meant only if you want the caliph to be a descendent of ali or not, its not the shia we know today, which was largely created by the 15th Safavid dynasty to isolate themselves from the sunni ottomans.Anyway, its a minor thing and i will not change it in the future.Jidan 20:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

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Ibn Nadeem
I dont have the book at my personal disposal, but our library has it. If you need me to check on something, it will be a while. I only visit the library once every few months. (for occupational reasons)--Zereshk 02:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * There is also an English translation for the book available, by Bayard Dodge,  (New York, Columbia University Press, 1970.)--Zereshk 02:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Zereshk! I was hoping you might have it as a pdf! I was able to download half of the book by emule, 3 months ago, but the user went offline and never went online again ;-(. I am talking here about the original arabic version. Jidan 03:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Jidan I need your help
al-Khwarizmi article is being continuosly edited to put al-Khwarizmi as Persian, I need you to help me put an end to this. Also, do you know how to end an adminship of a wikipedian? MB 22:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Dont worry, I am having an eye on that! I know enough to prove that he is not persian. And i have non-arab friends that study islamic history and they back me. Jidan 22:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

re: Arabic-English translation
Thanks, I suspected he forgot that one because of the word count. I would still be interested to know what the text at the bottom says, though. Cheers, —Ruud 01:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Arab (Persian-born) seesm like a reasonable compromise and is supported by the sources provided so far. I'm not allowed to use my admin powers to interfere here. I will be contacting two professors in the history of mathematics (oen who specializes in islamic mathematics) soon to hear what they have to say about this. Cheers, —Ruud 01:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

my 2nd propoposal
Hi, have you had time to read my second proposal for the introduciton yet (Talk:Al-Khwarizmi). It sasy he was of Persian encestry (which you don't dispute, right?) but lived in the Arab culture, which seems to be the core of the problem. Zmmz reluctantly accepted it, so please consider it. Cheer, —Ruud 11:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Whats the problem with Zora's version? Its introduction is very open and very unbiased. Saying that he was born in baghdad or khwarzim, indicates he may be arab,persian, or turk. And do you think the turks will accept the "persian ancestory" part? I dont think so! Thats why I think Zora's version is the most "open" and same time informative version! Jidan 11:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think Zora's version is fine but that's exaclty how it was before this dispute started (User:MB didn't like it). Also al-K was Persian or Arab but not Turk (at least I've never heard or read anyone refereing to him as a Truk except for User:Rgulerdem). So to return the question... what do you think is wrong with my second proposal (I'm always open for suggestions). —Ruud 15:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * If you mean like: arab mathematican with persian ancestory, then OK! Jidan 19:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Your last revert at al-Khwarizmi
With your last revert at al-K you did not only 125.247.105.242's changes but all my changes as well. Please be more careful in the future. —Ruud 19:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Look, I'm actually trying to write a biography here and I really don't care about the sad war all of you are fighting over his etnicity. Like I've said to Mani just change Muslim to Arab or whatever you like but please don't destroy the text the readers are actually interested in. —Ruud 19:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * OK Jidan 19:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * So, could you undo your revert for me so I can continue? —Ruud 19:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ruud, you have worked on the version which ManiF reverted, and by that you wiped off the work of 2 hours by me and others with a simple mouse click!(look at history). You can do with the article now what you want! Jidan 20:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all, this is a not a battlefield, there is no war, we are all mature individuals having a discussion. Second of all, average reader would regard "Al Khwarizmi" as an Arabic name and and the name is also posted only in Arabic besides the Latin version, so mentioning the man's origin is very important not to confuse the reader. Also, saying he's of Persian origin is not the same thing as saying he's Persian. If you like Zora's version, then rewrite it so it sounds more encyclopedic, edit out the Turkish part which is historically impossible and is not even part of the dispute, and then propose it and have it discussed on talk BEFORE POSTING it so we can all reach a consensus on it and get this over with. Otherwise, this will go on forever. --ManiF 16:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * If you'd like to talk to me then please stay civil and do not make accusations and personal attacks against me. --ManiF 16:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * To add a whole new section full of speculations which are not encyclopedic, you'd first have to propose it and discuss it on talk. --ManiF 17:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Jidan
Hey..did you know that your name means 'serious' in Persian? Jed-dan or jid-dan! maybe it has connections to Arabic, I don't know --Kash 20:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehe interesting. My name comes from Xerxes I I think it means 'Ruler of the heroes' :) --Kash 23:00, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ooh look what we have here, a comedian! :) --Kash 23:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Jidan

Unfortunately I know exactly the kind of people you are talking about and they are very annoying I agree! However please keep in mind that people from all backgrounds, including Arabs, are sometimes doing the same thing.

and a few outsiders like Zora are attacking and questioning anything that Persian editors say and they justify it by claiming that all Persians are brainwashed and racists and nationalists!

It is really wrong that just because a few idiot Persians exist out there, all of us have to be labeled “extreme nationalist and racist." So believe me I am frustrated too!

Gol means FLOWER in Persian and yes I am a girl. What Arab country are you from? One of my good friends is from Jordan.Gol 13:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

hehe! That does sound like a comment an idiot Iranian likes to make!! Of course these comments were much more frequent before 1979 but you can here them even today in Iran. I am curious when did you visit Iran?

Thank you for the compliment. I am very interested in history and especially that of Middle East.

Gol 02:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Warning
Hi, please know that you cannot call others names, or attack anyone here in Wiki, just stick to talking about the article itself. Also, please know that erasing an entire section that comes with a valid references, or refusing to accept any references, can be considered a form of vandalism, and it also violates the NPOV policy. Thank youZmmz 08:34, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Diyako is trying to make an alternative ficticious definition of Newroz
User:Diyako has created an article on a Turkic-Nowruz without mention of its Iranian history and roots. Soon we will here Nowruz has nothing to do with Iran too. His article is Nevruz. This should be merged or edited properly. He has gone on the Turkish discussions to promote it.

Here is what user:Diyako has written;

Nevruz is the spring festival among Turkic-speaking nations, from Turkey to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc. It is very similar to the Iranian festival of Norouz.

According to Turkish legends Nevruz dates back to era of Gökturks.

Th user Diyako is definnityl anti-Iranian and has an anti-Iranian agenda.

Nevruz is not very similar to the Irnian festival of Norouz it is Norouz!

He has claimed the Kurdish flag has nothing to do with Iran and is a crime to fly in Iran. The Kurdish flag is based on the Iranian flag it is even in the memories of the founders of the Mehbad Republic who wanted to showcase their Aryan and Mede heritage. Back then Kurds only had a oral history about their only know ancestors the Mede and Mede heritage, before other ancestors were accepted. The Sun is also very significant element of ancient Iranian and Zorasatrianism. Diyako is misleading everyone. Go to Kurdistan 20 years ago let alone 50 they will say we are Aryans and our own blood relatives are the Persians. The Kurdish flag is not banned in Iran and is based on Iranian colours. This user also claims the Iranians are only a lingustic group after he saw that the tide was against him that Kurds are in definition an Iranian people so he worked to undermine the definition of Iranian people and even Persians with user:Acuman.

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Ibn Khaldun
Could you keep an eye on this article? Some people are trying to remove the dispute tag without even answering the questions. Auca m anTalk 01:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. Could you also ask for help? I'm afraid some users only respond to numbers. Auca m anTalk 04:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

"List of Arab Scientists"
Many of the scientists you have included in that list are are either not Arab ( Khwarizmi and Karaji) or may not have been Arab (Gaber and Alhazan ). If you want to include these people in your list without any objections from my side, then move the page to "List of Muslim Scientists" or "List of Arabic-speaking Scientists". --ManiF 05:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * If you want to avoid controversy and conflict, then just move the page to "List of Muslim Scientists", and I'll even help you expand it. --ManiF 05:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Read NPOV, you can not label people who are not Arabs as Arabs. --ManiF 05:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * And while you are it, read WP:VANDAL and understand what vandalism means before making accusations and threats. --ManiF 05:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the circumstances surrounding the move, but in the meantime, remember, don't accuse 'Iranian' editors of doing anything, as it can be taken as a pidgeonholing insult, especially when used as a catch-all category for vandals. --InShaneee 00:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Hi Jidan,

I see what you mean. However, most Persians see these people as ethnically and culturally Persian. That's why I think it would make a good compromise if we have the disputed people in a different section.

Here's another suggestion: if you still think it's a good idea to include all these people perhaps you could change the title to "List of Muslim scientists and scholars".

As for the List of Iranian scientists and scholars page, we'll have to fix that one up as well. --Khoikhoi 06:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:Arab scientists
Salam,

I'm glad you created that list. Anyway, I'm of Yemeni descent, it's nice to meet a fellow Yemeni.--Inahet 07:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I can relate, I wanted to write and improve Yemen-related articles but I also got sucked into editing Arab scientists articles. I thought about creating a Yemen regional notice board but I didn't think anyone else would be interested. How about a regional board concerning the entire Arab world? Tell me what you think. --Inahet 02:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Attempt to circumvent process
This is not the appropriate way to go about things. Firstly, there was no discussion about that information, so you can hardly say that it would be deleted (and even if it was being deleted, you need to work with other editors to discuss the information). Trying to 'hide' part of an article somewhere in an attmept to circumvent the process of gaining consensus is out of line. Secondly, making accusations about "Nationalist Iranians" is also completely innapropriate. Wikipedia guidelines dictate that we discuss article content, not other users. Please try to remain civil in future discussions. --InShaneee 19:39, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I understand your frustration, and I do agree there is a problem here, but how it is addressed is key. First of all, you must assume good faith at all times, which means discussion what they do, not who they are or why they're doing it. If you have a problem with their edits, or you would like to insert an edit of your own that seems to be getting removed, discuss its merits on the article talk page. If, after extensive discussion, you seem to be at a deadlock, take a look at this page (which goes through the whole process in greater detail than I ever could). If you've truly exaughsted all discussion options, the steps there (especially mediation and request for comment) are the best way to proceed. But above all, you must respect other editors and remain civil, and I say again, discuss the articles and edits themselves, not who made them or what 'agenda' they might have had in making them. --InShaneee 21:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, please take notice of wikipedia's 3 revert rule, which says that you may not re-add information to a page more than 3 times a day except in cases of VERY obvious vandalism (ie, "so-and-so is poop", ect). This is simply to prevent edit wars and to encourage more discussion of content. However, you may be blocked temporarily if you violate it. --InShaneee 21:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Hmmm... InShaneee is pretty neutral, it looks like you've already contacted him. I told Kash that the move was made to early, and explained that the "consensus" is too controversial. Another admin you might try is Alex Bakharev. --Khoikhoi 05:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

History of Yemen
Hi Jidan,

And if you have time, could you check the history of Yemen article to see if it is accurate, especially the following:

"Following the death of Khosrau II in 628, then the Persian governor in Southern Arabia, Badhan, converted to Islam and Yemen followed the new religion. (1)."

It is worded to suggest that there was a correlation between the conversion of the Persian governor and the conversion of Yemenis.--Inahet 19:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Jidan, you can refer to me by my username, Inahet. Also, thanks for the reply, so what do you suggest we do about that piece of information? Delete? Reword? I'm not sure as I'm not well-versed in our history to make any major edits. Regarding the list, I'm trying to refrain from getting involved with that certain group of editors at this time for certin reasons if you know what I mean. Also I see on your user page that you have a pornographic pic, I'm certain that it is not allowed in Wikipedia, BTW it is 3ibe, I'm sure you're wahid wilaid mu'adeb :-D. --Inahet 00:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

You're hilarious in that pic, but qat is bad for you and you should cut back :-D.--Inahet

Currency
You might try the tag. --InShaneee 01:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

List of Arab scientists and scholars
I have blocked you from editing for 24 hours due to your fairly large violations of the three revert rule on this page over the last several days. While I appreciate you coming to me with this dispute (which I have, of course, agreed with you that the move was far premature), it does not change the fact that you have been reverting this page far more than policy allows. The reason for this policy is simply to avoid what's been happening: editors reverting each other all day long to no forseeable end. The alternative to this is proposing and discussion changes on the talk page, which I hope you will try to do more often once your block expires. --InShaneee 03:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Jidan, it is unfair to evade a block by anonymous editing, so I have to reset the block. You are a productive editor, so please contact InShaneee by mail if he could shorten the block. abakharev 08:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Your message
It does look as though this should be checked. As I'm in dispute with =ManiF at the moment, it shouldn't really be me, so I've posted your message to the Administrators' Noticeboard. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 12:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll say again, you can ask people to look at another user's edits without accusing them of 'fanatical patriotism'. You try to keep civil, and I will take a look at these issues. --InShaneee 18:52, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * There's no need to describe it at all. If there's a legitimate concern, simply state the situation, and let the diffs speak for themselves. As I said, it's simply not good ettiquite (at best) to discuss other editors directly. --InShaneee 19:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

History of Yemen - Sassanid period
You are welcome. I lived for 4 years in Oman and I traveled alot during my stay, virtually all of Oman. I also lived for a quite sometime in UAE. Although I haven't been to Yemen but during my trip to Dhofar and Salalah I got to know People of Yemen. I have to say Oman and Yemen have one of the most welcoming and helpful people that I've ever seen. Amir Yaghoubi (Amir85) 20:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Grammar
Please don't take my corrections as meaning your English is bad, I think most people's English is bad anyway. I just thought it would be helpful to clean up minor errors so that people concentrate on the rules rather than picking out spelling errors. Green Giant 01:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Arab/Persian
I think that instead of fighting on the ethnicity of scientists with overlapping backgrounds, you should start populating the List of Arab scientists article with scientists who were pure Arabs.

I sent a list of names and biographies of such people to User:Yuber about a year ago.

I dont think he actually used the list for making any biography articles on WP. I remember there were at least 20 people on that list that still have no article on WP.

You should ask him about it. maybe you can take up that task since youre so interested in this area.--Zereshk 02:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The only reason Im here is because I have a shitty life. WP is my escape. (sad, isnt it)--Zereshk 04:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Yemen
Thanks for the links, if there are any more, please send them to me.

Anyway, I have wanted to write articles on Yemen since I started editing Wikipedia, but haven't gotten to it. But I'm very interested in writing an article on Women in ancient Yemen, maybe I will just collect notes at this time. Shukran. --Inahet 05:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Abdullah Al-Baradouni
I started the article Abdullah Al-Baradouni. As you can tell it needs a lot of work; right now I'm just gathering notes and within a week I think would be able to write-out a decent article. Also, I had added a lot of people to the List of Yemenis. Before it just had Bin Laden's father, the president and a few other political figures. Anyway, many of the people listed do not have entries, so I'm attempting to write as much articles as I can, starting on al-Baradouni. You can help, if you have time, write an article on Abdul Rahman Isma’il al-Khawlani. --Inahet 07:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, I do mean Wadeh al Yemen, I had added him to the List of Yemenis. Why? --Inahet 05:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Wait, I'm not sure now because of the different spellings, the British Yemeni Society wrote it as Abdul Rahman Isma’il al-Khawlani. Are they the same person? --Inahet 05:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You wrote an article on him right now or have you written it before? and where can I find it. And when you say erotic do you mean romantic or sexually-explicit poems? I really don't know anything about him. --Inahet 06:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I thought that you had written a Wikipedia article on him. So what do you mean by erotic?--Inahet 06:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you mean to tell me that early Muslims were a lot more liberal than the modern Muslim? I'm just surprised that he gained fame in an Islamic society for the explict nature of his poems. Try writing a poem like that today in Yemen. I wouldn't recommend it though :-). --Inahet 06:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Al-Nafis
I saw that you have just changed his ethnicity from unknown to Arab, I think he was an Arab too, but I have a reputable published source here that says he was a Persian, and also wrote in Persian. How sure are you that he was an Arab? Did he write in Persian? --ManiF 15:08, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Trust me Jidan, I always assume good faith in such situations. I'd appricite it if you did the same with people like Karaji and Khwarizmi...Thanks for the info anwyays, just two more questions, did Al-Nafis write anything in Persian? Also, was "Bimarestan" a Persian school? --ManiF 16:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info, I asked because Birmistan is a Persian word. I wonder if Nafis wrote anything in Persian as well. --ManiF 18:03, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Nope, I don't know anyone there. But I know a lot of Yemenis in the U.S. Anyway, what's your email? Best way is to specify one in your preferences.

Also, what part of Yemen are you from? My parents come from small villages in the northern part of Yemen.

Anyway, I found this recently and would like for you to hear it, it's hilarious, I couldn't stop laughing for days just thinking about it. I'm sure the speaker's story is fictional, although it could happen, you know how we Yemenis are. And do you have any idea of where he is from, his accent is very different from the Yemeni accent I'm used to. His Arabic sounds more like Kuwaiti Arabic. Maybe he lives near the Khaleeg? --Inahet 05:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? Yemen is not part of the Khaleeg, not at all, or at least not by the cultural sense. My parents don't consider themselves khaleegi. Is that what you meant? And the reason why I think it sounds more like Kuwaiti Arabic is because of the way he pronounces certain letters, e.g. like qafh as gafh. His accent is quite different, I had a hard time understanding him compare to let's say Dihbash's Arabic.

Also, I don't have MSN but I'll send you emails soon.--Inahet 05:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * And I fail to see how that comment was propaganda or advertisement. --Inahet 05:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * And that's why I asked you for your email address -- for non Wikipedia-related talk :-). Anyway, I'm from around Ibb (don't tell me that is part of South Yemen) and when I say Northern I mean the region that was once named North Yemen not geographically.--Inahet 06:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Ibn al-Nadim
I've researched this one and It's not clear if he was an Arab, please restore the original introduction indicating that he might have been a Persian or an Arab. --ManiF 22:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Come on MSN. --ManiF 22:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Your Picture
I understand you are already taking a lot of criticism, I do hope I am not the last straw, but I would like to ask you for a teeny-weeny favor. Would you mind removing the image on your userpage with the linux penguin? I was born in Yemen- I understand how that's cute, but I fear others who are more ignorant may think it confirms their image of a violent arab. If I were you I would save it for a desktop or scrapbook (in fact I have downloaded the image for myself). I hope you understand my concerns. شكراًAngrynight 04:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:List of Arab scientists and scholars
No problem, and I don't mind, but I think it is best that instructions for Wikipedia editors be placed on the talk page.

Anyway, I got a copy of E.J. Holmyard's Makers Of Chemistry, which consist of biographical entries on chemists, including Muslim chemist Jabir ibn Hayyan. So if you want to use it as a reference for writing articles on Arab scientists, please tell me, but soon, as I have to return it the library.

Here is an excerpt from the Jabir ibn Hayyan entry. --Inahet 19:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess some may perceive it that way. The image of a penguin in Arab attire holding an AK-47 is harmless and amusing, but some might not get the joke. I think when they see this image, they think "terrorists," "Al Qaeda", etc. Just mentioning the word Allah will cause these people to go hysterical.


 * As for your response to Angrynight, well, from the looks of it, you snapped at him, perhaps you didn't intend it to come out that way, but that's how it came out. No offense, but I think you should have responded politely as Angrynight's request was of geniuine concern. --Inahet 05:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * What do you think of this edit? I don't think Ajam means dumb, you are more knowledgeable than I am concerning the Arabic language, is this accurate? Also, is Ajam an ethnic slur? --Inahet 05:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks!! --Inahet 06:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Arabian Gulf
Could you take a look at this article? Based on WP:MOS alternative names should be bold-faced, but some people are disputing this claiming that "Arabian Gulf" is "offensive". AucamanTalk 06:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at this racist comment
"...And, il-arab awsakh ish-sha'ab il-ardh...this is also not racist, it is the truth. I speak Arabic and know enough about Arabs."

--Inahet