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Yellow Blue Beveren
I have deleted this article because it fails WP:N. Organisations (clubs and so on) have to be notable, i.e. have received significant attention in reliable, independent sources. For e.g. sports clubs, this means attention beyond small articles in the regional sports pages of the newspapers, but coverage on a more national level at least. You can check what other football clubs from Belgium have articles: first and second division clubs, and about half of the third division clubs, and some other lower division clubs (mainly those with a past on a higher level, like K.F.C. Rhodienne-Verrewinkel). Cosnidering that YB Beveren is brand new and an eight division club, there is no reason to have an article on it. While the fans see it as a continuation of a club with a great history, it isn't officially recognised as such. Fram (talk) 07:41, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I understand that it isn't usual to have an article about a brand new Belgian eight division club, but I only did it because I updated the list of fan-owned sports teams. Also on that page Yellow Blue Beveren has been removed while the list is incomplete and people ask to complete it. More information can be found on . YB Beveren is fan-owned and that's mainly thanks to the English organistation Supporters Direct. Their has been an article in the English football magazine four four two about fan-owned football clubs where YB Beveren was mentionned.JimVdV (talk) 13:23, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Lists of non-notable organisations shouldn't aim to be complete (they hardly have any chance of being complete, many very minor sports clubs are fan-operated). A list of notable examples of such clubs is good, but creating articles for non notable ones isn't the aim of Wikipedia. And when a club has only some 44 distinct Google hits outside Wikipedia, many of them from facebook or other user-generated sites, then things don't look very promising. Fram (talk) 14:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note also that we have a policy on conflicts of interest, WP:COI. As a board member of the club, it may be better if you are not the one writing an article about it or adding it to lists or other articles, to maintain our neutral point of view policy. Fram (talk) 14:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Neutral point of view isn't a problem, I think my contribution was neutral. Everybody is writing about their own interests. Direct hits will be a problem, since we are know as Yellow Blue Beveren, YB SK Beveren, KSK Beveren-fans, Eskabee, ... Yellow Blue Beveren isn't often used, but it's the official name. No other team in Belgium (Even Benelux and France), which is member of the KBVB is fan-owned: Open to the fans, elections of the board, 1 fan 1 vote basis. If you can find one, please let me know. When taking a look at the list of fan-owned sports clubs, you'll find teams of every league in many countries.JimVdV (talk) 20:46, 26 August 2011 (UTC)