User talk:Jim Hardie

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Hadlow Cricket Club
Thanks for sorting the referencing out, looks much better now! Mjroots (talk) 09:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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History of English cricket to 1696
Thanks for all your good work on this and other cricket history articles. JH (talk page) 09:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Slindon Cricket Club
Hi. I've nominated Slindon Cricket Club, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know, where you can improve it if you see fit. Mjroots (talk) 12:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you sort out the inline citations issue on this article? Currently failed DYK but will pass if this can be done. Mjroots (talk) 09:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that looks fine. Should get on the main page sometime soon now. Michael. Mjroots (talk) 20:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes
Have a userbox too! You can move this to your user page if you wish. Mjroots (talk) 17:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You can find plenty of user boxes at WP:UBX. I've got so many I've had to create a sub-page for them! Mjroots (talk) 20:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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List of early English cricketers to 1786
I see that you've been working on this list. The Earl of Sussex article doesn't list one by the name of Thomas Dacre, so it looks as though HS Altham (given as the source) may have made a mistake with the name. Going by the date, it looks as though it possibly should be Thomas Lennard, 1st Earl of Sussex, but I'm not sufficiently confident to alter it to that. JH (talk page) 19:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * To reply to myself, further digging turned up the article Baron Dacre, which shows that Thomas Lennard, the 15th Baron Dacre, was created the Earl of Sussex in 1674, three years before the entry in the list of cricketers. Based on that, I'll change his entry to Thomas Lennard, 1st Earl of Sussex. JH (talk page) 19:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. JH (talk page) 08:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Good work, this, as I've said on John's page. --BlackJack | talk page 20:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * John deserves the credit, not me. --Jim Hardie (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Alresford Cricket Club
BlackJack added the first 5 of the 6 References, as part of what seemed to be his standard set of references for all 18th century cricket articles. From their titles, it's not clear to me whether all of them would have anything to say about Alresford (1742-51 seems rather early, for instance). The only book that I actually referred to when creating the article was Arlott's. So I wonder if BlackJack's added references should be deleted, or at least moved to a Further Reading section? JH (talk page) 19:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * They should probably be deleted, though I haven't checked them. --BlackJack | talk page 20:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. --Jim Hardie (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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I've given you your first service badge, keep up the good work! Mjroots (talk) 16:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep at it, then you can have one like mine :-) Mjroots (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

18th century cricket
Hi. I'd like to point out that every single article about cricket up to 1787 was based on From Lads to Lord's; The History of Cricket: 1300 – 1787. Equally relevant to most of those articles is CricketArchive.

I've effectively granted permission to Wikipedia to use my site as a source on condition that the source is clearly acknowledged. But you've removed "From Lads to Lord's" as a source from several articles including Duke of Richmond that I've just been studying. Would you please put it back as an external source and not merely in one of your footnotes? The same applies to CricketArchive where that has a relevant page.

By the way, I don't see the point of footnotes unless they provide useful optional information or are used to qualify a direct quotation. Inline citations, as you call them, don't help the reader. I saw one article where you've literally got an A-Q for Ashley-Cooper in the references section. That's completely over the top.

If you want to reply, do so here. There's no point in jumping about from page to page. You're on my watchlist – so beware ;-)

Thanks. --BlackJack | talk page 20:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I admit I have been wrong in removing external sources and further reading lists in many articles. If you check my contributions, you will see that I reinstated them for all the season articles but I suppose I have not been quite so diligent with some biographies.  You are quite right and I will make amends.  My apologies.
 * Nevertheless, I must defend my decision to use inline citations which are, in any case, a site standard per WP:CITE. I admit that it looks clumsy to have an A-Q for Ashley-Cooper but at least it is confined to one line.  I have seen other articles where the same source, differentiated only by a page number, is repeated ad nauseum over umpteen or more lines.
 * Do please reconsider your decision to leave the site. I have studied all the cricket articles up to 1772 so far and they are marvellous.  I would never have expected to find any coverage of early cricket on here but it is positively comprehensive!
 * I do hope you will rejoin the project. Very best regards.  --Jim Hardie (talk) 20:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have gone through all the early cricket articles this morning and I think they all now link to FLTL and, where possible, to CA. Not all of the early cricketers have an entry in CA, of course. I daresay one or two have slipped past me but if you let me know of those when you spot them, I will correct them too.  Best wishes.  --Jim Hardie (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Margaret of Anjou
Yes Margaret was an interesting lady, especially when you consider she commanded knights and soldiers on the battlefield. Alas, I have no biographies of Margaret so I wasn't aware of her association with Pierre de Bréze. The article needs major work, I hope I did a good job on the paragraph about the beginnings of the Wars of The Roses. I also previously had altered her birth year from 1429 to 1430. Seeing as her sister Yolande had been born 2 November 1428, Margaret could not have been born March 1429. Anyway, The Encyclopedia Britannica clearly states that Margaret of Anjou was born 23 March 1430. I also mentioned her founding of Queens College. By the way, I had a friend from Fermanagh. I have never visited that county though.Cheers.jeanne (talk) 06:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Jeanne.  The article is looking much more complete now.  I will try to do some more research during the next few days.  Very best wishes.  --Jim Hardie (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You will have noticed I added a citation for the rumour that either the Duke of Somerset or Earl of Wiltshire fathered Prince Edward.I also read in "The Royal Consorts" by Anne Powers that Somerset had fathered Edward and Elizabeth Woodville as her lady-in-waiting had assisted the pair.No queen could commit adultery without the aid of a lady-in-waiting,hence, Anne Boleyn's obvious innocence.Cheersjeanne (talk) 11:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC).

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Cricket season reviews
Jim, I'm working through all the season reviews to add a list of "first mentions", which will become "debutants", in each (i.e., those players mentioned for the first time in a major cricket context during that season).

Anyway, I've been comparing your work on articles up to 1772 with those from 1773 that you haven't updated yet. I readily acknowledge that the articles you have worked on are much better, especially your version of the match summary table. I've decided to adopt your template going forward. Well done. --BlackJack | talk page 07:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Notability criteria
Jim, would a cricket club founded in 1796 be notable enough for an article, or is that too late? Mjroots (talk) 06:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Cricket - most runs scored off a ball
Thought you might like this. I don't know if it's a reliable enough source to add to an article on early cricket though. Mjroots (talk) 05:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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History of cricket to 1725
I have Blackjack's talk page on my watchlist, so I noticed your message to him about this article. I believe that he's not visiting Wikipedia very often at present, so you may have to wait some time for a reply from him. As cricket history is an interest of mine, though I'm not an expert, I thought that I would put in my own two penn'orth. If the sources which the article references say that cricket probably originated in the Weald, then we clearly have to go with that. However I've always wondered what cricket historians have based this assertion on. We know that cricket was being played by boys in Guildford circa 1550, whereas the earliest definite reference to cricket in the area of the Weald (going by the article) seems to relate to "Weald and Upland" versus "Chalkhill" at Chevening sometime around 1610. It's notable that two other early references come from Wanborough and West Horsley, both places within five miles or so of Guildford. So it seems to me that one could make a reasonable case that the game might have originated in west Surrey rather than considerably further east. However living in Cranleigh, just 9 miles from Guildford, and having been born in Guildford, I could be a little biassed! JH (talk page) 20:54, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have found my copy of Start of Play written by David Underdown who allied his enthusiasm for cricket with his professional skills as a historian. His book is essentially about Hambledon but he goes back to basics and starts with the "prehistory". He is emphatic that we know nothing until Guildford circa 1550. But, in his view, cricket originated "among the peasantry" in "the forest counties of Surrey, Sussex and Kent". He only mentions the Weald in geographic terms which I will repeat: that it lay at the heart of these southeastern counties as "an ancient forest stretching across Kent and Sussex" while on either side of it were the chalk hills of the North and South Downs. All very accurately described (I am originally from the Tonbridge area, incidentally) and he goes on to present a historical overview of the region, albeit with no commitment beyond his view that the origin was somewhere in those three counties. As you say, the Guildford area is definitely a possible. Now, I agree with you that this site must reflect its sources because of the verification rules and it is therefore a case of which sources are used for verification. I have, after all, a copy of Underdown and so I should, if I chose to edit the article, cite that as my source. I will give this further thought. Kind regards. --Jim Hardie (talk) 21:07, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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 * My departure having been delayed by unwise interaction with an utterly stupid individual who has finally been banished from our midst, I shall now leave but with the intention of occasionally looking in. --Jim Hardie (talk) 19:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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History of cricket to 1725
Sorry I've taken so long to reply but I rarely use the site now. It looks like you've done the change anyway so fine. As for working with the idiot I've tried numerous times to accommodate him and even proposed to be his mentor last year but he immediately blew it with an unprovoked attack on TRM so what can I do? He is a waste of time and I see he has now earned a life ban so there we are. Don't worry about him. Jack | talk page 21:52, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

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