User talk:Jimmyhtz

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Adding unreferenced entries of former employees to lists containing BLP material
Hello, Please do not add unreferenced names as entries to a list of former employees in articles as you did in KROQ-FM. Including this type of material in articles does not abide by current consensus and its inclusion is strongly discouraged in our policies and guidelines. The rationales are as follows:


 * 1) WP:NOT tells us, Wikipedia is "not an indiscriminate collection of information." As that section describes, just because something is true, doesn't necessarily mean the info belongs in Wikipedia.
 * 2) As per WP:V, we cannot include information in Wikipedia that is not verifiable and sourced.
 * 3) WP:NLIST tells us that lists included within articles (including people's names) are subject to the same need for references as any other information in the article.
 * 4) Per WP:BLP, we have to be especially careful about including un-sourced info about living persons.

If you look at articles about companies in general, you will not find mention of previous employees, except in those cases where the employee was particularly notable. Even then, the information is not presented just as a list of names, but is incorporated into the text itself (for example, when a company's article talks about the policies a previous CEO had, or when they mention the discovery/invention of a former engineer/researcher). If a preexisting article is already in the encyclopedia for the person you want to add to a list, it's generally regarded as sufficient to support their inclusion in list material in another article. Deconstructhis (talk) 18:05, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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I did not list former employees of KROQ as you described. For example, I am a KROQ former employee (1987-90) and I did not list myself.

I only undid an edit that removed employees (Past DJs) who had an air shift for a significant amount of time.

I did a quick search of other Wikipedia pages covering media sites: List of MTV VJs and RT (TV network). The both show lists of their former on-air personalities.

As far as verification, you did not even follow your own rules in regards to Sly Stone. I do not see it verified. Sly Stone was not mentioned working for KROQ or KPPC on his own Wikipedia page. I am not even sure if he ever worked at KROQ/KPPC. If he did, it was well before my time. A quick Google search only found Sly Stone working for KPPC on pages citing Wikipedia references.

It is a shame that KROQ DJs who had shifts for years, even decades are not listed while "Tazy Phyllipz (1993–95) Promotions Assistant & occasional ‘Man On The Street" for Kevin & Bean.’ is given prominent recognition.

I have recourses that can prove most of the prior list of DJs actually worked there during the stated time. It would be an inordinate amount of work for me to update the page citing recourses since I am not very experienced editing Wikipedia pages. I would do this only with assurances that it would not be taken down after I put in the effort.

Update: I added one "Notable Former Staff" with a citation. Are you going to let it stick?

Jimmyhtz (talk) 22:05, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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Valfontis (talk) 22:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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KROQ and RS
You need to take a look at WP:RS, which is our guideline on reliable sources. All of the links you just added are to a self-published site, which, per the guideline, is explicitly not a reliable source. As I mentioned on Tedder's talk page, you need an industry magazine, a newspaper, or, possibly, a corporate site of the person's new employer, if it's a reliable employer and the bio page lists KROQ as a past employer. If those don't exist, then, unfortunately, the alumni can't be listed on the KROQ page. Note, too, that none of this even deals with the issue of notability--WP:NLIST says that we 1) have to verify the people worked there, and 2) verify that they are important enough to be reasonably mentioned in prose on the page. That is, not every single past employee is an automatic inclusion on a list like this.

The only person you added that it looks like could be re-added is Shadoe Stevens, because his personal homepage says he worked at KROQ. Using personal homepages is always a borderline question, and depends on whether we view his homepage as reliable. I'd recommend raising on talk whether or not [www.shadoe.com] could be considered an acceptable source. In fact, in general, you might do well to raise your possible additions on talk first--this will save you the time of adding and formatting everything if the info you're adding isn't supported by an RS.Qwyrxian (talk) 00:43, 4 April 2011 (UTC) Jimmyhtz (talk) 02:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not add Shadoe Stevens. I just corrected the years he worked there from someone else's input.
 * I referenced John Frost from his current employer's site
 * I referenced Egil Aalvik, Freddy Snakeskin and April Whitney from a Los Angeles Magazine Article
 * I referenced Jim Trenton from a Los Angeles Times article
 * I could not find any reference associating Sly Stone with KROQ or the former KPPC so I removed him.

Copyright status of File:Photo of AC 759 near landing on taxiway at SFO.jpg
Hi! I started a conversation at File talk:Photo of AC 759 near landing on taxiway at SFO.jpg regarding the copyright status of that image. As you are the uploader, could you comment with your thoughts when you have a chance? Thanks! CapitalSasha ~ talk 17:16, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

File:Photo of AC 759 near landing on taxiway at SFO.jpg listed for discussion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Photo of AC 759 near landing on taxiway at SFO.jpg, has been listed at Files for discussion. Please see the to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. CapitalSasha ~ talk 04:34, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem. I rather see the real picture on the page. Jimmyhtz (talk) 21:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)