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Fitzpatrick wins 2020 DP World Tour Championship
No need to cry cause you couldn't edit the win first. Try next time. As I already mentioned at the beginning, Tournament was done kid. Did I say 'CHEERS'?!! ;) lol
 * Fair play big guy, you obviously 'knew' what you were doing, even though you weren't able to predict the winning score. I might not always win, I can accept that. But you sir, you will always be a twat. Enjoy the rest of your day. :) Jimmymci234 (talk) 12:26, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

"CHEERS" LMFAO.. Eat it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klaysaurus (talk • contribs) 12:30, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

European Senior Tour playoffs
There is an archive on WayBackMachine of a page on the old European Tour website (before they "improved" it) https://web.archive.org/web/20150920060523/http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/news/newsid=186144.html Might be of interest to you. I don't think the old site ever had more details (eg length of playoff, etc.), at least not in a complete way. Might have been mentioned in news articles. Nigej (talk) 19:42, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Nige. I’ve had a quick look around for news articles but there doesn’t seem to be too many. Just trying and fill in as many boxes as I possibly can! It's the same problem with the Challenge Tour. Jimmymci234 (talk) 19:45, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

JP McManus Pro-Am
Hello Jimmy how are you doing ?. I am wondering can you create a homepage for the above event. I have the winners and runner-ups up for the six staging of the tournaments. I think it would be a welcome addition to be added. Is that ok ?. Thanks 31.200.144.185 (talk) 09:17, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Sure will have a look into creating one when I get a chance. Go ahead and send me the winners and runner-ups, that will save me some time scrambling around the internet trying to find them! Jimmymci234 (talk) 09:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC) Winners - Runners-up 1990 Roger Chapman – Neil Hanson (I could not give much info on this) 1995 Paul Broadhurst and Richard Boxall (Shared the title) again no scoring info 2000 Tiger Woods -12 (64-68=132) won by 6 strokes – Malcolm MacKenzie 2005 Padraig Harrington -14 (67-63=130) won by 6 strokes – Tim Clark 2010 Darren Clarke -3 (73-68=141) won by 1 stroke – Luke Donald 2022 Xander Schauffele -10 (64-70=134) won by 1 stroke – Sam Burns

Is that ok Jimmy a lot of info there not bad ?. 31.200.144.185 (talk) 09:38, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes thanks for that! Jimmymci234 (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Done. Jimmymci234 (talk) 14:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

merging some of Thomson's and O'Connor's wins tables
Late in their careers Peter Thomson (golfer) won the 1972 W.D. & H.O. Wills Tournament and Christy O'Connor Snr won the 1972 Carroll's International. It was their last wins on the British PGA circuit and their only wins that were retroactively classified as European Tour wins. So right now we have these isolated European Tour tables for these wins. However, I think it looks disjointed and I think it would look better if we deleted this table and integrated these wins with their British PGA circuit tables. We could still include a footnote stating "retroactively classified a European Tour win in 1979" to respect the ET designation.

Also, I would like to know what User:Wjemather thinks about this as he probably knows more about the British circuit than anyone on WP:Golf.

Thanks,

Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:02, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Personally I’m happy with the way it is currently. Both golfers would still have played events on the modern European Tour, so to take that designation away from them is unjust. If you wanted to add the win into the British PGA table and add a note etc, that would make more sense than deleting the ET wins table. Jimmymci234 (talk) 06:52, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I still don't think it would be "unjust" as we would note that it was a European Tour win too with the superscript. In addition, I feel that the British PGA designation is more honest because these events were actually part of this organization. (The ET designation, meanwhile, is the result of some revisionist historians in 1979.) The rule WP:RECENTISM may be applicable here too.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 15:32, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly


 * As I've said before (somewhere), I think it's probably best to have known tour wins in their sub-sections and simply lump all other wins together. Attempting to split them is just too messy. Even "British PGA circuit wins" is fraught with problems as there were plenty of events that were not sanctioned (in today's terminology) by the PGA, or were sub-national events, and we have the issue of what did or did not count towards the order of merit, records of which even the PGA are unlikely to still have. There are similar issues with trying to classify "continental circuit wins". With regards to revisionism, the PGA Tour is an absolute rabbit hole that no-one should want to go down (see User:Wjemather/PGA Tour for an illustration of the effect of their successive reclassifications). Thankfully the European Tour did not embark on the same exercise and go all the way back to 1901. wjematherplease leave a message... 16:04, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi User: Wjemather,


 * In general, yes, this is a messy issue but I thought this era would be easier. I thought the European Tour reliably retroactively classified all events that were part of the Britsh PGA's Order of Merit from 1972-78. If this is true, I think we should include Thomson's and O'Conner's 1972 wins as part of the British PGA table with the ET superscript. On the other hand, if we cannot reliably determine that these tournaments were part of the British PGA then we should maintain the status quo. Please let me know your thoughts.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 20:42, 17 April 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly


 * But do we have sources for British PGA circuit Order of Merit counting events pre-1972? We certainly do for some years, but I strongly suspect not all. This becomes an even bigger problem if you are looking to separate OoM counting events from non-counting events. As I say, trying to separate wins beyond what is officially recognised by the modern tours opens up giant cans of worms for which we simply don't have the necessary sources to resolve satisfactorily. wjematherplease leave a message... 23:15, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I have no clue if we have sources for the British PGA. I included you in this conversation because you seem to know more about the British PGA than anyone else. I did recently re-classify the European wins tables of Thomson, O'Connor, and some other golfers as British PGA wins. I knew it wasn't perfect but I thought it was an improvement as the titles previously were wildly WP:OR (i.e. Important Wins, Significant European Wins, etc.). I was just trying to make simple improvements but had no special knowledge of this era.


 * If we are unable to determine what tournaments were part of the British OoM during this era we should probably give up with idea of integrating the tables. In addition, the titles of these tables should probably change.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Tours navbox
Putting LIV under the Asian Tour is a bit misleading as the relationship is more the other way round. If anything, I'd be tempted to move LIV into principal tours. wjematherplease leave a message... 13:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah fair enough. I wouldn’t be opposed to that suggestion. Either that or the current revision sits fine with me. Jimmymci234 (talk) 13:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Tennis scores
On second thought I think they need an en dash because they're a sequence. Tony (talk)  07:19, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @ Tennis??? Dale Whitnell is a golfer. But anyway, I have discussed this on my talk page before re Viktor Hovland (above). The reason given was that I believe the script picks up the scores and assumes they are ranges between numbers as per MOS:HYPHEN. However the scores are not a "range between numbers", and therefore the hyphens are the consensus to be used. It has also been discussed here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Golf/Archive 13. Jimmymci234 (talk) 07:49, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

2007 Japan Golf Tour
Hey Jimmy, about the last edit on the 2007 Japan Golf Tour article, shouldn't the citation be near the supported text per WP:INTEXT and MOS:CITEPUNCT? Like, if the citation's purpose is to support who won first prize I think it should go beside the player's name. My reversion in particular was because the citation looks like it's supporting the "The money list was based on prize money..." statement, especially because there's no specific quote about that in said reference (also, I didn't check all the other articles about Golf Tour, but they seem to have this very same "problem" in the prize money section). I'll go ahead and add a quote of the source to the citation, as well as move it to the table below for the moment. NicoSkater97 (  let's talk!  ) 01:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, the reason why that source was added as I mentioned before was just for additional citations that Taniguchi won the money list. It’s probably not the end of the world to not have it there as this is already supported by the citation of the money list rankings. The reason I placed it beside the sentence was, to me it was like extra validation of the money list rankings, but that source is probably not the best example of that. If at this point you feel it would be better to remove that ref, then I am not against that. Thanks Jimmymci234 (talk) 07:02, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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Challenge Tour rankings
Just so you know, the Challenge Tour rankings for past seasons that appear on the European Tour website aren't always reliable (usually due to errors in which results are included). I think the errors may have been introduced with the 2019 redesign, but I'm not positive. If possible, an archived version should be used as a reference. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎  pʰiːnyːmyː  → ‎ ɸinimi  → ‎ fiɲimi  17:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have noticed that too. I am trying to include archived versions of the rankings from the wayback machine where possible. Only using the current web version if no archives available. Jimmymci234 (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It's pretty annoying when the best source for something is old revisions of a Wikipedia article. I sent an email to the tour a few weeks ago but never heard back. pʰeːnuːmuː  →‎  pʰiːnyːmyː  → ‎ ɸinimi  → ‎ fiɲimi  18:17, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If they gave us more info about the 1989 season would be very helpful too. Jimmymci234 (talk) 18:21, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

1979–80 Southern Africa Tour
Hi Jimmy,

Thank you for the recent edits to the Southern Africa Tour pages I recently published. I have a couple minor issues with edits you made for the 1979–80 Southern Africa Tour page.

First off, you denoted the nationality of Simon Hobday as South African. I brought this up recently on the talk page of User:Nigej. This should almost certainly change to Rhodesia (or whatever the country was called at the time) as Hobday did not move to South Africa until 1981 according to this link. Also, you put an (n/a) next to Faldo's win implying that he wasn't ever a member of the Southern Africa tour. However, according to this link he was fourth on the Order of Merit in late 1979. We should probably put the win total next to his name.

Thanks,

Oogglywoogly (talk) 04:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Amended re Faldo. Will wait for further confirmation regarding Hobday's sporting nationality. Jimmymci234 (talk) 06:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * According to this 1981 link here he "quit Zimbabwe earlier this year to settle in South Africa."


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Yes, but this source might be referring more to his residence (I don’t have a newspapers.com subscription so can’t see). If he was born in South Africa and lived there for most of his career then he might have always represented them in golf, irregardless of living in Zimbabwe at one point. Jimmymci234 (talk) 06:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I just did a search re: Hobday's nationality in the 1970s. The most illuminating evidence may be here from this 1977 source which states he changed nationalities from Rhodesia to South Africa that year. This seems to make sense as all of the pre-1977 sources I found say he is from Rhodesia. For example in 1974 and 1975 and 1976 it all says "Rhodesia." (I found a lot more sources than this too.) Meanwhile I have some 1977 sources that say he represented South Africa. Please let me know your thoughts.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 03:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly


 * Ok that seems pretty clear cut. Let’s go with that. Jimmymci234 (talk) 06:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks for the go-ahead. I will change Hobday's flag on his page and relevant tournament pages. In addition, I know you're not a newspapers.com subscriber so I made sure to clip all the links above.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 18:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Southern Africa Tour edits
Hi Jimmy,

Thank you for your edits on the recent Southern African Tour seasonal calendars. I have a few questions, though, about some of your edits.


 * You are using the 1971-1972 season as the first year for the Southern African Tour. I assume this is from the sandbox of User:Wjemather and his factfinder book. But I believe this source is flimsy. Meanwhile, the actual tour's website implies on the drop down that the tour started during the 1965-66 season. What are your thoughts?
 * You deleted the majority of my intros for one of the pages. I followed your lead and have not produced additional intros (other than the opening sentence). However, I think the all intros should have a little than a sentence, right? Not sure what you think.
 * I know this a minor thing but you have slightly changed the titles of some events. For example, you changed the "Datsun SA Open" to "Datsun South African Open" and the "Lexington PGA" to "Lexington PGA Championship." Again, I know this is a minor thing and it may be easier for the reader if we type out the full name. But nonetheless I think it is better if we are completely faithful to the tour's website and maintain the precise official names for their events.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,

Oogglywoogly (talk) 03:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * There are multiple sources that state the Order of Merit as starting in 1971. Of course, several tournaments pre-date this but whatever "tour" there was, wasn't formally organised as such. The TIC is incomplete (until a few years ago, it only went back as far as the FNB Tour days; then it was extended back a few years further, and recently beyond the first OoM to the start of the SA PGA although with zero detail) and should not be followed blindly; other independent sources are often better as they are generally immune from modern tour revisionism. The TIC also does not imply anything about 1965-66 other than there were tournaments in SA that year (although it doesn't list any). wjematherplease leave a message... 06:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi User: Wjemather, thank you for the response. I'm a bit baffled that the tour would extend its drop down to the 1965 season but, as you say, there is no detail for this era. Given what you say, let's maintain the 71-72 date as the starting point of the tour.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 18:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly


 * Hi. Could you please cite your source(s) for the Orders of Merit? E.g. 1987–88 Southern Africa Tour where the source given only confirms Johnstone as the winner (not the remainder of the list) and his money earned is 1R more than the source. Thanks. wjematherplease leave a message... 20:23, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It’s totalled by using the leaderboard reports. Would be easier if the TIC produced the OoM which they have since 1992, rather than having to calculate it manually. Jimmymci234 (talk) 21:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

opening sentences for Southern Africa Tour pages
I have noticed that you have deleted a lot of my prose from the calendars. Some of it I am ok with but your deletions of a lot of the opening sentences don't sit well with me. For example, let's look at the 1985–86 Southern Africa Tour. I created two paragraphs. The first was one about David Frost's early success where he recorded runner-up finishes at the first five tournaments and then won the next one. The second paragraph was about Fulton Allem and Mark McNulty dominating the rest of the year as they finished in first or second place at nearly every closing event.

You deleted the opening sentences and chopped everything up. To me, it just doesn't look good. I suspect you think my opening sentences were "flowery" or "WP:OR" and maybe they were a little. But right now I think we need a little more prose to create coherence for these paragraphs. The prose section for just about all of these pages seem like a mindless replication of the table beneath it.

Best,

Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The season outline section is only supposed to be a short synopsis/summary of the most significant results/performances during the season. If it only leads to a replication of the tournament results, then maybe the section is best left omitted. Maybe a better idea to add prose in the articles would be to have a changes section instead. Could have info about new tournaments, changes of venues, purse increases etc. Rather than merely replicating the results table in prose.


 * Anything I removed/adjusted was in good faith, as a lot of the prose you had written felt trivial in context to the whole section. There was a lot of flowery language, as well as wording which mirrored the newspaper reports which basically doesn’t reflect a NPOV. Also your citation ares still an issue, as I have had to go into each article and amend each citation with formatting and missing details. Jimmymci234 (talk) 06:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Jimmy,


 * Apologies for the late response. Yeah, some of the language I quoted from newspaper articles probably violated WP:FLOWERY and WP:NPOV and it was a good thing you made changes. I have to say I firmly disagree with you about potentially "omitting" the prose though. In my mind, the prose is the most important part of the page and other parts of the page (e.g. infobox, tables) are supposed to be a replication of the prose, right? Also, I would add information about fundamental changes to the yearly tour (i.e. moving courses, sponsorship changes, purse increases) but that never comes up in reliable third-party sources.


 * Anyway, I just made some changes to 1985–86 Southern Africa Tour page. Please let me know what you think. Hopefully, this is a good compromise between our ideas. Also, if User: Wjemather has any opinions about how to improve these pages they are welcome.


 * Sincerely,
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 19:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I still see that the citation formatting is going to have to be fixed however. Jimmymci234 (talk) 06:06, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

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SA intros
I saw your message last week. I am sorry if I irritated you or others with my "prompts" but I still feel strongly that the intros for the Southern Africa Tour should be in the Intro section. According to the Manual of Style, "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic." In addition it states, "All but the shortest articles should start with introductory text (the 'lead'), which establishes significance, includes mention of significant criticism or controversies, and make readers want to learn more." It clearly should be more than a sentence long.

I believe a big reason you think the intro should be a stock, singular sentence is because that's the way it is on a lot of the other seasonal pages. But on these pages (e.g. 1974 European Tour, 2004 Alps Tour) there is almost no prose to summarize. For South Africa, we have a lot. So I stand by what I said earlier and think my reasoning is completely logical.

Regards,

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1974 City of Cairns Open
In 1974, Randall Vines won the City of Cairns Open. However, we haven't integrated this win into win PGA Tour of Australia wins table. According to the sandbox of User:Wjemather there is a good chance it was part of the tour that year. What are your thoughts?

Thanks,

Oogglywoogly (talk) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah go for it. Jimmymci234 (talk) 22:43, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. I added the win to Vines' table. However, I only have a secondary source for the win with few details. I have scoured the search engines for more but to no avail. Not sure if you know anything about about that year's event.
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 17:51, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

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Mini-tour seasons
Hi. I was thinking that mini-tour seasons may be better split into separate articles, e.g. Gateway Tour seasons, rather than flooding the main article with masses of tables, like eGolf Professional Tour currently is (and it's missing a few, e.g. the West & Florida series). What are your thoughts? wjematherplease leave a message... 21:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be a good idea! I think in general, any tour articles which currently have the season tables laid out within the main article should be moved to a separate article (as you mentioned above) unless the tour only lasted a few seasons e.g. Forme Tour, LocaliQ Series etc. Jimmymci234 (talk) 21:13, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed. It will only be necessary/desirable when the volume of tables is overtaking the rest of the article. wjematherplease leave a message... 21:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Jim Rutledge's wins tables
Jim Rutledge won the 2006 ING New Zealand PGA Championship co-sanctioned by the PGA Tour of Australasia and the Nationwide Tour. However, according to his Wiki page and OWGR page there is no good evidence that he was ever a member of the Australian Tour. The Australian Tour table should probably go. Thoughts?

Oogglywoogly (talk) 20:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Yep makes sense. Jimmymci234 (talk) 22:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Ok made the necessary changes.
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:24, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

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Manny Zerman's sporting nationality
I noticed you reverted the edits related to this topic on the page of Jim Rutledge. On his OWGR page it does have the Italian flag. However, on PGA Tour.com it currently says "American."

For some major championship pages it says "South African." For our 1992 Masters Tournament page we have "South African." Also, on the tour's 2000 media guide it references the South African flag on that year's British Open results page. Not sure what you make of this?

Thanks,

Oogglywoogly (talk) 01:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes it's maybe a bit messy, but the tournament in question was noting him as Italian, supported by this source: Jimmymci234 (talk) 07:40, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


 * There you have it - stated boldly in the headline, in fact. Thank you for the source too; I intend to create a page for Mr. Zerman soon and will probably use it.


 * Regards,
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Multiple winners section
I posted about this issue on the main talk page about two weeks ago but no one responded. I am bringing this up directly with you as you work on a lot of tournament pages.

We have these Multiple winners section on a lot of tournament pages (e.g. South African Open, St. Jude Classic). To me, they seem extraneous as the amount of wins is already denoted in parentheses in the Winners table. I think all of these sections should be deleted. What are your thoughts?

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 * Yes I don’t have an issue with them being removed.
 * Jimmymci234 (talk) 06:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. I will begin deleting this section. If you see any others out there just delete them.
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 00:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

February 2024
Please do not use styles that are nonstandard, unusual, inappropriate or difficult to understand in articles, as you did in Arnold Palmer. There is a Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Thank you. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 12:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC) Please provide info on what edits violated the MOS in particular? Jimmymci234 (talk) 12:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * MOS:PLAINLIST, for one. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Notelist
Beat me to it! wjematherplease leave a message... 11:48, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Denwit Boriboonsub
Can you please add the source for his date of birth? Thanks wjematherplease leave a message... 19:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

ET profile. Jimmymci234 (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Ecuador Open 2019
Given Rafael Ponce would be in his mid-50s in 2019 (and apparently has a chronic back problem ), and it's not an uncommon name, do you have a source to confirm Rafael Clemente Miranda Ponce is the same person? If not, I think it's best reverted. Thanks. wjematherplease leave a message... 15:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes fair enough. Just assumed they were the same. Will revert. Jimmymci234 (talk) 15:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

1972–73 New Zealand Golf Circuit
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New Zealand Golf Circuit seasonal pages
Hi Jimmy,

Thank you for your recent work creating seasonal pages for the New Zealand Golf Circuit. However, could you please copy and paste the prose from the original page? We desperately need more prose for these pages; I believe User:Nigej created some prose for with season-by-season details. Even if it's paltry it's better than nothing.

Thanks,

Oogglywoogly (talk) 00:12, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Bar the inaugural season (which I copied across). Most of the prose was only like 1 introductory sentence. Jimmymci234 (talk) 07:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks for letting me know.
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

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Putting "Other wins" subsection beneath related tour
Hi Jimmy,

On the page of Peter Thomson I recently placed his "Other wins" subsections beneath the related tour tables. In general, I usually support lumping all of these wins under one big "Other wins" subsection. But for golfers like Thomson and some others (e.g. Graham Marsh, David Graham) who won all over the place it might make more sense to do it this alternative way. What are your thoughts?

Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

US Open Purse
Hello! Don't mean to bother you on your talk page; I noticed you changed the US Open Purse and winners share. By chance, did you see this from the PGAT website? It shows a $20M purse and within the article states the $3.9M goes to the winner. Let me know if I'm seeing something wrong or maybe it was updated. Thanks! SPF121188 (talk this way) (my edits) 15:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This Jimmymci234 (talk) 15:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that! I've reverted my previous edits to reflect this reference. SPF121188  (talk this way) (my edits) 15:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)