User talk:Jimwagoner

February 2020
Hello. Some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Pop Song 89, have conflicted with our neutral point of view and/or verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Thank you. Sum mer PhD v2.0 22:27, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll come back with sources for 'alternative rock'


 * Actually I need help. What is the best way to find reliable music sources?


 * The best way is to look for royalty free music reliable sources giving a genre. Looking for a source that says what you want it to say is not a good way.
 * Pop Song 89 has four reliable sources for the genres given. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:28, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, is this website good? http://dictionary.sensagent.com/Pop%20Song%2089/en-en/


 * It has alternative for both songs.


 * It's a mirror of an earlier version of the Wikipedia article. It is not a reliable source. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

No luck for those two, but I sourced alternative rock on Orange Crush and found a very good source that cites 'power pop' as well. Take it off if you disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimwagoner (talk • contribs)
 * Jim, it doesn't matter if we personally agree or disagree: all that matters is that we have verifiable and reliable sources. Thanks for adding them to that article. Please also see WP:LINKROT. Let me know if you have any questions or need help--just post here and I'll see it. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, please see WP:LINKROT and don't insert bare URIs as sources. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Charting as a source for genre
Per a sensible suggestion by, I have started a discussion at WikiProject Songs so we aren't discussing this same idea in multiple places. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 14:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

February 2020
Please refrain from adding, removing or changing genres, as you did to Near Wild Heaven, without providing a source or establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive.  Sum mer PhD v2.0 21:41, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, I actually edited it twice so you need to revert it back.

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 * Your first edit removed three unsourced genres, as your edit summary said. Your second edit, the one I reverted, added an unsourced genre. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 21:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I added back the first one which is common knowledge.


 * The genre of a minor REM single is common knowledge? No, it's not. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 21:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * So not all REM songs are alt rock in a way?


 * Why would the people performing a song inevitably determine its genre? All Sting songs were rock, "in a way", until he started recording jazz and classical. All Billy Joel songs were folk rock until he went mainstream. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 22:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok so then ig every single music genre needs a source and absolutely no music genre is common knowledge


 * I did not say "every single music genre needs a source". You cannot, however, pick from a list of genres listed in an article, select the ones you like and delete the rest.


 * Prior to your edits, there were four genres listed and the list had been stable for quite some time. You removed all of the unsourced genres -- challenging them as unsourced. That's fine. You then decided the reason for your challenge did not apply to "Alternative rock". That's not fine. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 22:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Blocked as a sockpuppet

 * See WP:BROTHER. It's was pretty obvious, and later confirmed via WP:CHECKUSER, that this yet another of many, many accounts created for the sole purpose of genre warring. OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok, first of all, there are actually other people in my household who are interested in music. I'm sorry this has been going on, but it wasn't personally me socking. This account was made not to genre war but to add successful contributions to Wikipedia.
 * Wow, so you have over a hundred people in your household who are only interested in fiddling with song genres of a handful of bands? That sounds like an interesting household. OhNo itsJamie Talk 23:44, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

No, I didn't say that. One of my little brothers might have been using bots to make all these sock accounts.

Ok, so if I am telling the truth, should I make an account and use it on an IP that's safe from everyone else and then everyone can see it's only me using it?
 * We're going to keep blocking you every time you create new accounts to avoid this block. It's pretty easy to do from our end. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:27, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

So my family basically ruined it for me? There's no way I can use Wikipedia for now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimwagoner (talk • contribs)
 * We don't know who is sitting at the computer making edits, only that inappropriate edits have come from this IP address under many accounts. See WP:MEAT.  So, you are essentially correct. If you are telling the truth, you will have to make use of the standard offer and wait six months without editing or socking(be it by you or others) before requesting unblock.  If you have not been honest thus far, you will need to change course and do so(which will still likely require you to use the standard offer). 331dot (talk) 09:12, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You can read Wikipedia; blocks only prevent editing Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:14, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, it's been 6 mos. Can I please be unbanned now?


 * You'll need to do that from your original account. OhNo itsJamie Talk 18:41, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

What original account?

So should I come back in 2 mos? ping:only
 * As you've been repeatedly told, any further requests will need to come from your original account. Any further sockpuppet edits will reset the six month counter. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 21:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok, so I have to wait 2 mos for now am I correct? And in 2 mos ask from Jshpinar?
 * Yes. See WP:STANDARDOFFER for details. OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, am I elegibile for standard offer as of today?
 * No. 23:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)