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Macedonian language and literature and Miladanov brothers
I am glad that you are alive and creatively interpreting the world, especially Macedonian literature from Bulgarian POV. Here is a link in Britanica (https://www.britannica.com/art/Macedonian-literature) that states that "in the 19th century there appeared original lyric poetry written by Konstantin Miladinov, who, with his brother Dimitrije, compiled a notable collection of legends and folk songs that contributed to the development of a nascent Macedonian literature". Macedonian language and literature is not invented dear Jingiby. Britanica is not fringe theory. Macedonian language was always there and different from Bulgarian, just the historical conditions and pro-Bulgarian or pro-Greek propaganda would aggressively fight it. That is case even today with Bulgarian Wikipedia editors, who do not see facts from within a narrow POV.

In the Miladinov collection there are legends about tzar Alexander (Alexander the Great) and that the Macedonians buried their kings in Voden. Why these so-called "Bulgarians" kept legends about ancient Macedonians kings? Why the legends of ancient Macedonians are in this book of "Bulgarian" folk songs? Can you search Bulgarian historians that answer the question why Miladinov brothers mention ancient Macedonian? Why there are no mentions of Bulgarian kings that are more recent in the "Bulgarian" folk songs? Toci (talk) 06:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Please refer to Britanica's text on famous Bulgarian poets, especially Milandinov brothers, when you discuss poetry from Republic of Macedonia (https://www.britannica.com/art/Bulgarian-literature). Please do not delete my contribution to your talk pages. You have written in my page. It is fair that people can read about fringe theorists. Toci (talk) 06:54, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I have answered to you on the article's talk page. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 07:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Changes
Hi, You said that my recent edit seemed less than neutral and has been removed. I'm not sure I can see those changes. Please let me see them. Onoufrios d (talk) 09:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, Onoufrios d. Please, try to read just the lede of the article and you will find that: "Authors, historians, and statesmen of the ancient world often expressed ambiguous if not conflicting ideas about the ethnic identity of the Macedonians as either Greeks, semi-Greeks, or even barbarians. This has led to debate among modern academics about the precise ethnic identity of the Macedonians, who nevertheless embraced many aspects of contemporaneous Greek culture such as participation in Greek religious cults and athletic games, including the Ancient Olympic Games. Given the scant linguistic evidence, it is not clear how closely related the Macedonian language was to Greek, and how close it was to the Phrygian, Thracian, and Illyrian languages." I.e. this issue is still debatable. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 11:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

So what does this mean? Have you decided that they were not Greek and this is what you're telling the world? What is the article supposed to be like? Onoufrios d (talk) 07:31, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That means not to change the article in your way, because there is not a consensus among the scientists whether the Ancient Macedonians were originally an ancient Greek people or not. Jingiby (talk) 09:44, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to bring the attention of general Wikipedia users further incidents of expressive changes to a Wikipedia page by Onoufrios d, I am CancerianOx and I believe these changes to be a clear violation of certain terms and conditions (talk) 1:12, 05 May 2018 (PST)

Categories
The IP who deleted the "Defunct scripts" category has done so across a very broad selection of articles -- in fact, all the articles in that category -- and has now deleted the category itself (it's now redlinked), as well all attempts (yours and mine) to communicate at their talk-page about the matter. It's a China IP. I think they're running some kind of bot-script; I had a look through their talk-page history, and something or someone has somehow also removed the category name from my read-version of my post. Weird, and somehow rather unpleasant. Haploidavey (talk) 15:00, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I will never use Wikipedia for my studies, thank you for teaching me this.

I protest for your recent changes
I protest for your recent changes History of the Republic of Macedonia.178.222.116.152 (talk) 06:14, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

What article? Just got the message about the undue minority weight, been on alot of articles tonight, which one did I violate, gotta make sure I don't do it again.CancerianOx(talk) 1:25 05 May 2018 (PST)
 * The area of Skopje and Taorum were part of province called Dardania at his own time, not of Macedonia. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 11:36, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

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Byzantines
Hi, thank you for your message. Although, I am not sure what do you mean about NPOV because the part I added was referenced from a reliable secondary source. Also, I have asked about this edit 3 months ago in the talk page and I was waiting until now. None objected it and none brought any other argument about it. Based on the WP:BRD and WP:CYCLE a consensus has been achieved. I am afraid that I will have to revert you. Best Othon I (talk) 12:21, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Reverting my edits in the "Pomaks" article for supposed POV
От мала азия си Hello there, please stop reverting my small edits to the Pomaks article on supposed grounds of POV. The only thing I've done is make the edited sentence fit the sources it cited, especially the first source. In fact, keeping the sentence as it is would be unacceptable POV, since it pretends to discredit the theory of forced conversions, yet cites sources that confirm a tenfold increase of the Jizya. I hope you'll be disposed to more constructive edits than reverts justified with piecemeal justifications of "POV".
 * Discuss the issue on talk. Maybe, we both are right. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 17:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello
Yes hello old friend. It was a token appearance, I don;t think i'll be doing much here. I have moved onto 'bigger n better' things. You'll know soon Slovenski Volk (talk) 08:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


 * yep Stockholm, which is associates with Uppsala; in Sweden

Help needed||||
Hi,

I know we have many disputes in the past, but I would appreciate your help with one translation issue. If somebody write comment about you saying: Write as a normal person..., precisely here (diff), can it be seen as a comment about my personality? All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I do not like this comment at all. Try to write at first to the other editor and explain that he has offended you. I hope he will repent this writing. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

re: Hristo Uzunov revision
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Infobox_person_using_religion&pageuntil=Vlaicu%2C+Aurel%0AAurel+Vlaicu#mw-pages Note that the information re: Religion did NOT show up in the Infobox of the article before my edit or after your undo. The religion parameter is NOT recognized and produces an error message in the system. Check for yourself. Go to his article page, click the 'edit source' tab, then 'show preview' at the bottom. Gene Wilson (talk) 16:00, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok. Jingiby (talk)

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Macedonia name referendum
I actually apologise, I haven't realised that there is an article on it already, even though I did search wiki for it and that's why i started one myself. I would vote for the one that I started to be deleted or merge it with the already-exiting one because for many it might be hard to find if it's titled constitutional referendum.Dapiks (talk) 14:52, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem. Jingiby (talk) 16:40, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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Macedonian (Ethnic Group)
Sorry for adressing you but i believe that the changes I made to the article were justified.

-First ,it should be noted that in Greece, Macedonian Dialect may actually refer to a dialect of the Greek Language andnot one of the family of South Slavic.So i consider it should at least be noted as Slavic so we can have a clear distinction. (Browning, Robert (1983). "The Dialects of Modern Greek". Medieval and Modern Greek. Cambridge University Press. p. 119. ISBN 0-521-29978-0.)

-Secondly, it is clear that the structure appearing at an image of Ohrid indicates distinct Ottoman characteristics such as Sachnisi (Bay window found all around the Balkans and not exclusevily in the Republic of Macedonia). http://www.academia.edu/34052281/OTTOMAN_ARCHITECTURE_IN_THE_REPUBLIC_OF_MACEDONIA_A_CRITICAL_SURVEY_OF_KEY_MONUMENTS_FROM_THE_FIFTEENTH_THROUGH_NINETEENTH_CENTURIES

-Also noting newspaper articles which share no clear proof of an event do not testify as citation for an information.

-Last but not least ,it should be noted that information about the usage of a national symbol by multiple countries is not something to be avoided.so I do not thing that there is a point in removing my contribution.

I have restored the page untill a final conclusion is reached.I hope we will be cooperative.Thank you for your behaviour and contribution.

AlbusWhite
 * Hi, AlbusWhite. I have reverted your edit because parts from the following pretty sourced sentences were deleted without any explaination: "The name was revived just during the early 19th century, after the foundation of the modern Greek state, with its Western Europe-derived obsession with Ancient Greece.  As result of the rise of nationalism in the Ottoman Empire, massive Greek religious and school propaganda occurred, and a process of Hellenization was implemented among Slavic-speaking population of the area". backed by Richard Clogg, Minorities in Greece: Aspects of a Plural Society. C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, 2002, ISBN 1850657068, p. 160.; Dimitar Bechev, Historical Dictionary of the Republic of Macedonia, Scarecrow Press, 2009, ISBN 0810862956, Introduction, pp. VII-VIII. Jingiby (talk) 10:41, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Axis occupation of Greece
What makes you believe that the revert you performed was based on the source? In case you continue that kind of blind reverting you leave me no choice but to report this kind of disruption.Alexikoua (talk) 11:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. this does not look like a question to me, but it's a burning thing. The source says as follows: EDES's initial democratic and republican and democratic ideology was soon eroded after 1943, when Zervas morphed into a royalist and collaborated closely, both with the Germans and with the British Foreign Office in preparing the return of the king to Greece after the expected collapse of the Axis powers. The deleted sentence was: "Zervas' close collaboration both with the Germans and the British Office destroyed EDES' initial republican and democratic ideology." The sentence is in accordance with the source, but you have deleted initially both of them. This is not the right way of editing in my opinion. ~Regards. Jingiby (talk) 13:24, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Case
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Re:July 2018
I do not see how it is giving three or more reliable, verified, encyclopaedic sources is intentional disruption designed to illustrate a point. I am simply giving reliable sources with facts. Ruđer Bošković is a Croat the same way Leonardo da Vinci is Italian. Thank you. --Sheldonium (talk) 15:04, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * His nationality is disputed. See the talk-page of the article. If you have objections against the consensus discuss the issue on talk page. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Ottoman Bulgaria - Aug 2018
Reverting the page back to "The Ottomans did not normally require the Christians to become Muslims." is false, and the statement is a lie. It's inappropriate to be falsifying historic events. Ottomans did forcefully require that Christians convert to Muslims which was done via blood tax, kidnapping of women, etc. This page absolutely contradicts with pages in Bulgarian on the same matter. Can I know what the source of "The Ottomans did not normally require the Christians to become Muslims." is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.169.189.232 (talk) 19:16, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I see several sources at the end of every sentence. Check them. If there is a problem, then discuss the issue on talk. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 19:21, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

So an opinion by Sir Thomas Walker Arnold (a British orientalist and historian of Islamic art who taught at Muhammadan Anglo-Oriental College) is your source? James David Bourchier has also published writings about the horrors of the Ottoman slavery, why aren't you citing him?

Once again, why is the English content 100% different from the Bulgarian one? This is the problem that has been pointed out numerous times now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.169.189.232 (talk) 19:30, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Please, do not delete sourced content. If you have objections, discuss the issue on talk - page. Jingiby (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Could you please respond to my objections which i have clearly listed here:

Once again, why isn't James David Bourchier's writing sourced in this page? Why is the English content 100% different from the Bulgarian one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.169.189.232 (talk) 19:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, but you are wrong. Bulgarian Wikipedia states the same. Jingiby (talk) 19:47, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

For the Bulgarian historians and the autochthonous theory
I understand that the theories of these historians have not been accepted today and are unproven, but some of the information you add in sections of the articles is not relevant to Bulgarian readers here and abroad. > If you really want to prove this, do it in your own words without "changing or deleteions" the original content of the articles translation and confirm it with sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brassmonger (talk • contribs) 12:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

/You say that the others are not historians./ Why do you stay on this statement? In the entire world, Ph.D. professor, a person who's level of education allows him to teach any subject such like as a history for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brassmonger (talk • contribs) 18:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Professor does not mean know-all. Jingiby (talk) 03:55, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!
Thank you very much, Gog the Mild. I am really touched. Jingiby (talk) 03:33, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Well deserved, indeed! Apcbg (talk) 06:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Objective
This is getting annoying. Who are you to judge what is objective? Onoufrios d (talk) 09:17, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Other names, especially those used significantly often (say, 10% of the time or more) in the available English literature on a place, past or present, should be mentioned in the article, as encyclopedic information. Two or three alternative names can be mentioned in the first line of the article; it is general Wikipedia practice to bold them so they stand out. If there are more names than this, or the lead section is cluttered, a separate paragraph on the names of the place is often a good idea. Jingiby (talk) 09:21, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Bulgarian name of Xanthi
So you are Bulgarian I suppose and that's why you think it's relevant for an article about a Greek city to also include the former Bulgarian name from the time of its Bulgarian occupation... Then you for being so objective. Wikipedia is not objective anyway so stop playing that card please. Onoufrios d (talk) 09:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


 * With the Treaty of Bucharest, Xanthi became officially part of Bulgaria after 500 years Ottoman rule, when it had the name İskeçe. The city was called in 1913 Skecha, and remained a part of the latter until the end of World War I. Jingiby (talk) 09:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Inserting a dubious pro-Turkish map
Please don't include [Balkans1877popC.gif|this map] again. The only region of the Ottoman Empire for which there was anything even close to reliable population information was the Danube province, as can be clearly seen in the source. Anything else is dubious projections, made by an extremely biased non-historian. Kostja (talk) 17:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Please consult the official United Nations page about the subject : FYROM name dispute
Here is a useful link. Just trying to make that wikipedia article more accurate based in the UN order! http://www.un.org/esa/earthsummit/maced-cp.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander5799 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jingibi
Hi i saw your massage.Can you explain to me how can i made quotes of sources ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunduke (talk • contribs) 15:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
yay!

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Liberty or Death Disambiguation Page
Hi, I just have a concern over your edits of the Liberty or Death Disambiguation Page. The way you edited the post clearly ignores Macedonian history i.e. the Ilinden–Preobrazhenie Uprising and the Krushevo Republic. It violated Wikipedia's neutral content and made the page into a Bulgaro-centric opinon. Just letting you know 68.149.124.43 (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Take your concerns to the talk page of that article. Do not change content without providing reliable sources. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 04:00, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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Житие на македонски диалект
Здравей, имам възможност да преведа Краткото Житие на Климент на македонски диалект и да спретна статия в македонската секция.(няма такава в момента). Въпросът ми е дали някой се е опитвал да го прави това преди? Питам за да си спестя усилията, ако както предполагам съдържанието на житието не им е много удобно и вероятно трият всеки опит за статия по тази тема. Боил (talk) 01:40, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Здрасти, можеш да пробваш. Аз съм блокиран там завинаги. Jingiby (talk) 04:36, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Concerning my recent changes
I really don't care. I won't bother. 1) Immigrants are not a minority. So, a source that includes immigrants (Albanian) in minorities is not trustworthy. I had suggested removing it on 27 December 2016. 2) SYRIZA article is a mess. Almost all the 'constituent parties' have left and they didn't cease to exist when SYRIZA became a 'Unitary party'. Most of those who remain were members of Synaspismos, AKOA and former members of PASOK. Some of those groups were really small, practically irrelevant. (see the electoral success Popular Unity had). I don't have anything to do with that party. I had made a comment on that on 8 August 2018 Apostolos Papadimitriou (talk) 05:34, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, then. Jingiby (talk) 05:39, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * So, do you think that Albanian immigrants should be included in 'minorities'? Apostolos Papadimitriou (talk) 06:05, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No. Jingiby (talk) 06:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

About Mostich's inscription
Seeing that you have reverted my edit about the title „Цѣсарь“, I feel obliged to come by and give my reasoning on the matter.

The title „Цѣсарь“ is used by the bulgar rulers from Boris (or Simeon; but that's not important now and it's hard to prove anyway) to the very last one, before Bulgaria is conquered by the Turks. In most cases it can be seen in the abbreviated forms: „ц҃рь“, "ц҃ри", and so on. Abbreviation at that time has been done in cases where the word is well known and could be saved space.

In the rare cases where the title is given fully it's spelled as „цѣсарь“. One can see this for instance in Codex Suprasliensis. You can see some images here: https://www.facebook.com/1604895066306192/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1607910572671308 Just a few examples from the above manuscript: „цѣсаремъ“, „цѣсарьства“, „цѣсасьрству“, „цѣсарьскѫ“ and so on. The part that is important for us can be seen on page 7r, line 29: „самодръжьче цѣсарю аурилиꙗне“. There might be more sources but I cannot think of it now.

The title „цар“ („Tsar“) in the very form today for Bulgaria starts around 18-19 century. This has happend either due to Russian (or other?) influence or simply because with the time folk forgot what the proper title is.

Anyway, this get's way too long. So… For the protocol: I have given my 2 cents on the matter and fulfilled my duty. Since I saw what a unneeded trouble wikipedia can be I made my own project and see no reason to spend more time on here. This can be consider my first and only reply here. One can take it as he wishes, complete freedom granted!

P. S. Ops I forgot to mention that Цѣсар is what we call our rulers, the Roman rulers (emperors; Caesar) and the Byzantine (East Roman) rulers (βασιλιάς). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Севаръ (talk • contribs) 16:15, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a secondary reliable source in any language, supporting your opinion. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 18:00, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Happy New Year to every Wikipedian! Jingiby (talk) 12:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, here is my source about population. The muslim population numbers map of the page "Islam by country" are wrong. Although the number range about Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan are correct, but the number range about Tajikistan and Turkmenistan are wrong. Also, Pakistan is above 200 million population and Egypt is above 100 million population according to the worldmeters 2018 stastistics. Therefore, That muslim population numbers map in the page "Islam by country" should be deleted. Also, there is a country called South Sudan, which didn't appears in that map.
 * OK! Jingiby (talk) 07:46, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, yesterday I saw your text on my Talk page. I agree with you that I was biased when editing and I apologize for that. User Andrejsrbrus17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrejsrbrus17 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. No problems. Jingiby (talk) 12:54, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

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Zoran Zaev
Hello! You requested protection of this article and it has been protected for two weeks. However, I noticed that some of the edits you are reverting have to do with a name change to Northern Macedonia. It looks to me as if that name change is real [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47002865 and that Zaev himself has accepted it - ''"Congratulations my friend," his Macedonian counterpart Zoran Zaev responded on Twitter. "Together with our peoples we reached a historic victory."'' I am not trying to dictate the content of that article, which you know more about than I do. Just pointing this out as possibly affecting the situation. Thanks. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, User talk:MelanieN. Plese, see Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia where is ongoing discussion about the change of the name of this country on Wikipedia. The Prespa Agreement will go into full force on 8 February 2019, once all the legal procedures for the Constitutional name changes will be completed. For now it is under WP:ARBMAC. Jingiby (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The two-week protection should last until then. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

January 2019
Hello, I'm Mattythewhite. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Dimitar Berbatov, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:03, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. Jingiby (talk) 19:11, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * My bad, I was meaning to revert fully but only reverted your edit. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:13, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * By the way I think, Berbatov really finished his career after failing to find a new team to the end of 2918. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 19:16, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Template:History of XYZ
Hi Jingiby,

History templates do not have to use the coat of arms of a country since it needs to represent the history of the country or region as a whole. See this for example: Template:History of Greece. Thank you. Gryffindor (talk) 11:44, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, Gryffindor, basically I agree with you, but the case with (Northern) Macedonia is very special. The coat of arms added by you is an unofficial symbol, which was rejected by ethnic Albanians in the country, as well as by the ruling now Social Democratic Union of Macedonia, as biased and unacceptable. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 12:07, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

What does "not for sure" mean? The source that is cited stands out compared to the other sources used in the article. Can you tell me more about the source you are restoring?
 * If I can see the source is issued by the Noravank Foundation Journal called "21-st century". By the way when you have concerns about the reliability of the source just put at its end and discuss the issue on talk. If there are no objections there, you can remove it. Greetings. Jingiby (talk) 17:49, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there a second source? I don't think this source is reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by پنباژدرها (talk • contribs) 17:52, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes there are. I am going to add a lot of them. Jingiby (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you Archaeologist02, but I am not sure about the first group by objective reasons. Jingiby (talk) 14:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

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Why did you leave a note on my talk page that my edit was "non-constructive"? How am I supposed to know which edit you are talking about? Can you please show me the non-constructive edit? پنباژدرها (talk) 01:58, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Please, read this guideline: discussion and consensus. I hope, you find the answer here. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 06:14, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I only interact with you one time before this. Do you mean this edit [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkification&diff=prev&oldid=881605871] or do you undo some other changes too?پنباژدرها (talk) 11:20, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, this [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkification&diff=prev&oldid=881605871 one edit]. Jingiby (talk) 11:23, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this response and policy. Next time I will observe some non constructive edit I will follow example set by more knowledgeable editor to leave the similar message before implementing my change.پنباژدرها (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * You can find such messages here. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 11:37, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * This is only REDIRECT to Macedonian Wikipedia title in this case. I do not make a cut-and-paste move in this case. Please stop this game. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 11:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

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Fabris
Do you realy consider Croatian biographical lexicon as a valid source for a person's origin, taking in consideration that he/they belonged to an option which at the time (and even today) was not seen eye to eye in the Croatian public? Furthermore, if you want to dig deeper, Antun Fabris was of Italian origin, as many people from Dalmatia were. Mm.srb (talk) 10:14, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * This edit was to made safe the sources, otherwise I have a dispute there months ago, with a Croatian IP, who insisted on Fabris' Croatian origin. However I supported his Serbian identity. I am not sure whether this text must stay in the lead. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 10:27, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

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hello Jingiby can you explain how elaborating with facts to help better understand the depth of the situation is "less than neutral" I'm interested in your explanation because I don't see a reason for you to remove my edit
 * Hi Resonedecoy. At first your edit was unsourced. Wikipedia itself is not a source. Secondly, it was biased and irrelevant because Levski was active during the second half of the 19th century. The earliest converts to Islam came from the ranks of the Balkan nobility and military elites, who helped the Ottomans. Although conversion was not required, over time these local ruling elites tended to adopt Islam. On the other hand the Devshirme system declined in the 16th and 17th centuries and disappeared during the 18th century. Please, check Identifying reliable sources (history), Neutral point of view and No original research. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 14:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 18:55, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Sorry. That was a mistake. Jingiby (talk) 10:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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Македонец == Adding citations == Hello, I didn't add citations because I added some information from non-english books. I will try to add more citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josskitzis (talk • contribs) 11:07, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Josskitzis, but on English Wikipedia we prefer English sources, to may verify them. Jingiby (talk) 11:37, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello. More in-depth clarification is needed for your reversal of my edit on the Nikola Karev page. I provided my rationale for the edits, but no counter-points have been made to refute them. To re-iterate my points, "He was Bulgarian teacher" is both a grammatically-incorrect and an ambiguous description. It seems that both those misuses and twists of the English language have been made on purpose in order to heavily imply Karev's ethnicity as being Bulgarian, even though it is clearly a topic of contention, for which it has been omitted in the first sentence of his biography. Even though there is historical proof that supports his teaching in Bulgarian schools using the Bulgarian language, that on its own is not definite proof that he was a Bulgarian himself. Thus, this ambiguity of language should be addressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.124.249.26 (talk) 20:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello. I noticed that you changed content, but you didn't provide a reliable source. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial. Wikipedia is not a forum. A lot of reliable sources contradicts to your personal claims above. Please cite a reliable sources for all of your contributions. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 20:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello again. Can you please point me to the sources which contradict my points that the grammatical error and ambiguous language used in that sentence should be fixed? Alternatively, can you please point me to where in the Wikipedia rules it is said that grammatical errors and ambiguous language are acceptable on a Wikipedia page? Or should I use references to the Maintenance and Disambiguation pages as the citations you so heavily recommend that I use when making any sort of change? Please advice. Thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.124.249.26 (talk) 20:39, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Please, read carefully provided sources. As a general rule, talk pages are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines, not for general discussion about the topic or unrelated topics, or statements based on your thoughts or feelings. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, please be sure to sign your postsThank you. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 20:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * My posts are henceforth signed. Still require clarification on how my edit goes against project policies and guidelines, as you have implied. From a purely objective perspective, the sentence in question is grammatically incorrect and ambiguous in meaning, as "He was also a Bulgarian teacher" would be a grammatical improvement over the current "He was also Bulgarian teacher". Additionally, Bulgarian teacher can mean either "he also taught using the Bulgarian language" or "he was also a teacher of Bulgarian ethnicity". That is why that phrasing is ambiguous and is subject to Disambiguation. These are not "thoughts and feelings". These are objective facts. Thank you. OmniScholar (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Bulgarian teacher in this case means: "he was Bulgarian schoolmaster in the educational net by the Bulgarian Exarchate schools' system set in the Ottoman Empire", "he also taught using only the Bulgarian literary language" and "he was a teacher of Bulgarian ethnicity", i.e. he self-identified as Macedonian Bulgarian, was educated in Bulgarian school system and was member of the Bulgarian Millet. More, he was also a member of the Bulgarian Workers' Social Democratic Party and the Bulgarian Macedonian-Adrianople Revolutionary Committees. Finally, the name of Nikola Karev was deleted from the anthem of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia after order by the communist leadership, because Nikola and his brothers Petar and Georgi identified themselves as Bulgarians. If you have any objections check the article itself, incl. added sources. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 04:42, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I know that is what it should mean, however the previous wording was very ambiguous, and in addition, it also excluded the Macedonian part from the "Macedonian Bulgarian" description. I agree with the latest change that you made, i.e. the updated wording. Issue resolved. Thank you. OmniScholar (talk) 15:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

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Golden Dawn edit
I removed the "Islamophobia" from the infobox as I do not consider a phobia an ideology, and that section was for ideology. It is also not used in infoboxes for other political party ("Anti-Islam" is more common and I would not object to that being added to the Golden Dawn infobox), so it looked out of place. I appreciate we disagree, but the intent was not to vandalize or be un-constructive.--Jay942942 (talk) 20:08, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok!Jingiby (talk) 03:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * hi! regarding my edits, i removed "greek nationalism" and "national conservatism" because it was recently added my the above user and was altought a good faith edit not very helpfull as it made golden dawn look like they were a moderatly far right wing party like for example the sweden democrats which is very much less radical than golden dawn that is a neo nazi party, i too had no intent to vandalism or be un constructive, the edit was made in good faith and am sorry that i did not expain more in my edit summary i will do so next time Johansweden27 (talk) 12:48, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, but I am not OK with this change. Jingiby (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 03:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Anti political shills
There are many IP addresses I've seen which almost certainly belong to him, but does he have any other registered accounts? Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 15:55, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not sure at the moment. Jingiby (talk) 17:44, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

SPI results
Gaylordbush69 is most likely not a sock puppet. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>) 21:12, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 04:12, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If any more accounts (not IPs) turn up, please re-report to SPI. <b style="color:#00205B">Woshiyiwei</b><b style="color:#0077C0">zhongguo</b><b style="color:#00205B">ren</b> (<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>) 13:06, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok. Jingiby (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

APS
Why did you start again on his talk page at level 1? <b style="color:#00205B">Woshiyiwei</b><b style="color:#0077C0">zhongguo</b><b style="color:#00205B">ren</b> (<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>) 13:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Let be more polite to him. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 13:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

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can you please remove your notice on my talkpage notice, i have done nothing wrong and the edit on golden dawn was clearly a good faith edit, if you have consider my edits on golden dawn wrong please be free to revert them with a friendly edit summary, thank you Johansweden27 (talk) 07:19, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably it was a mistake. Jingiby (talk) 07:23, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Anarchism
Hi Jingiby,

I saw your work on articles related to anarchism and wanted to say hello, as I work in the topic area too. If you haven't already, you might want to our noticeboard for Wikipedia's coverage of anarchism, which is a great place to ask questions, collaborate, discuss style/structure precedent, and stay informed about content related to anarchism. Take a look for yourself!

And if you're looking for other juicy places to edit, consider expanding a stub, adopting a cleanup category, or participating in one of our current formal discussions.

Feel free to say hi on my talk page and let me know if these links were helpful (or at least interesting). Hope to see you around. czar 10:17, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, czar . Jingiby (talk) 11:31, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Re: Neofit's translation of the New Testament
You updated the page Bible_translations_into_Macedonian with this statement: "Per author himself, it was done in Bulgarian language, and de facto in the Maleševo-Pirin dialect, which is transitional between Bulgarian and Macedonian."

I don't disagree with this statement, but I don't think we have a source to back it up. The truth is, I think, a bit more complicated. I think Neofit was trying to create a standard Bulgarian language and he was using a dialect that is central (transitional) between Bulgarian and Macedonian. But Elias Riggs believed that this is a Macedonian dialect and he urged Neofit to not include many words from it. Since Riggs was the editor, he probably edited out some words that Neofit originally used. Later in the mid 1860-ties Riggs came to believe that this translation is done in a peripheral dialect, outside of Bulgaria Proper, so he, Riggs, (helped by Slaveykov and few others), revised this translation to reflect the Eastern Bulgarian dialect. This we can back up with the references that we have. GStojanov (talk) 20:53, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't see that Riggs himself came to believe that this translation is done in a peripheral dialect, outside of Bulgaria Proper. In his long report after his return in Bulgaria ca. 1870, he dwells on the necessity of using the Eastern variety of speech, instead of the Western (Macedonian), for all further publications, since from his inquiries among schoolteachers and other competent men, he had become convinced that the future belonged to that Eastern dialect, i.e. it would be the basis for the future codification. However, Bulgarian was finally codified in 1899. Jingiby (talk) 06:40, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Riggs thought that Bulgarian is spoken south of Danube and north of Balkan, east of Vidin and west to the Black see: In his Notes on the Grammer of the Bulgarian language. And Leo Wiener definitely thought that Macedonian is a dialect outside of Bulgaria Proper: "Later, when culture penetrated into Bulgaria Proper, this abnormal state of raising a dialect spoken beyond the provinces of the country to the dignity of a literary language could not be maintained." GStojanov (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Riggs devoted himself to learning the Bulgarian language. He wrote that Western, Macedonian dialects were very developed, unlike the Eastern ones which were very poor and often very close to the Russian language. Riggs even wrote in Macedonian dialects until 1859. Probably one of his Bulgarian textbooks was based on the grammar of Neofit Rilski. That was the grammar he published in 1844. Riggs became also very interested in the collection of the Miladinov brothers. He translated nine songs from their Bulgarian Folk Songs into English and sent them to the American Oriental Society in Princeton, New Jersey. In a letter from in June 1862 about the Collection, Riggs wrote: "…The whole present an interesting picture of the traditions and fancies prevailing among the mass of the Bulgarian people…" See also Riggs' The Bible in Bulgarian (December 1, 1871), where he wrote:...In a tour taken by Mr. Byington and myself in the autumn of 1859, we found the teachers all through Macedonia readily and unanimously acknowledged that their language was destined to be mainly molded after the Eastern model. With equal unanimity they held and expressed the view, that the language was to be one and not two... Jingiby (talk) 04:03, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Interesting discussion. I should have started it on the Talk:Bible_translations_into_Macedonian. Do you mind if we move it there and continue there? GStojanov (talk) 14:07, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No problems. Jingiby (talk) 14:58, 15 May 2019 (UTC)