User talk:Jinxart

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I noticed that one of the first articles you edited was John C. Tibbetts, which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article.&#32;Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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May 2014
Hello, I'm Katieh5584. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to John C. Tibbetts seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Katieh5584 (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I have been contracted by Professor John C. Tibbetts to edit his Wiki page. I had hoped this would not be a difficult process but I'm a little more frustrated by it right now. I sat with his earlier and helped him create his own user account (Tibbets1) and we attempted to make an edit - though it was obviously far to large an edit and was undone shortly there after... which we understood.

He has over 20 pages of new information to be entered and he would like to remove much of the content on his page which he feels are not necessary including the following sections:


 * "Publications on music", "Books and articles on literature and film", "Books and articles on film and filmmakers"

We plan to replace these edits with new sections including:


 * level 2 head "Sabbaticals, Awards And Grants, Art Exhibitions"


 * level 2 head "Selected Publications" which will have a subhead level 3 for "Books"


 * level 2 "Publications in Refereed Journals" - level 3 heads "A. Editorial Boards" "B. Guest Editor" "C. Peer-Reviewed Articles"


 * level 2 "Book Chapters and Contributions to Anthologies and Reference Works", level 3 "SERIES SUPERVISING EDITOR AND CONTRIBUTOR: The Great Filmmakers. Facts on File Publishers, New York"


 * level 2 "Guest Editor" level 3 "Peer-Reviewed Articles"


 * level 2 "BOOK CHAPTERS AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO ANTHOLOGIES AND REFERENCE WORKS"


 * and text regarding his "Archives and Digital Initiatives" - a new heading to be added to follow all his Publications.

In short, it's a lot of changes and a ton of information that needs to be edited and added. I want to do this as quickly as possible since he is kind enough to compensate me for the time.

So, my question is, what is the simplest solution to my problem? Is it possible to go about making all these massive changes uninterrupted if someone just knows it is occurring? Please help. Thanks, Jinxart (talk) 21:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Jinxart


 * I'm going to leave this open, since I'll be going offline soon, but will provide a basic initial response. An artist's works listed in an article are not meant to be a complete listing; for living subjects, that would be considered promotional. Rather, the list should be pared to what they are best known for: their most popular, longest, and / or ones which won awards, or were nominated for more than one - regardless, those listed should be the ones mentioned in the independent sources which cover them, and complete listings left up to their own page, publisher, faculty biography or elsewhere. Wikipedia has no need to duplicate such listings, except as they link to articles on works. Hope this helps make your task more manageable. Dru of Id (talk) 21:27, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, a couple of points to add to what Dru said, firstly, the article doesn't belong to Tibbetts, it belongs to us, i.e. the Wikipedia community. So we on the whole get to decide what the articles contain. Secondly, some of what you have added takes the form of an interview, for example here. The tone is wrong for an encyclopedia, and the content, though it comes from Tibbetts himself, constitutes original research. Lastly, even though the information comes directly from Tibbetts he is considered a primary source. Wikipedia prefers that its content be derived mostly from reliable secondary sources, then "to a lesser extent" secondary and tertiary sources. And of course the preference is for sources to be independent of the subject. One reason why Wikipedia doesn't dig primary sources, is that people tend to inflate their accomplishments, and so forth. This is also why we discourage people from writing autobiographical articles, and also why we discourage people with conflicts of interest from editing certain articles. Hope that helps a little bit, at least to understand the community's perspective. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:46, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


 * To put it as bluntly as possible: it's not Prof. Tibbetts' article, it's Wikipedia's article about him. He gets no say in what information is contained within it (or at least, no more say than any other editor on Wikipedia, and arguably somewhat less). It's not intended to be his CV, nor is it meant to be a comprehensive list of his works and accomplishments. It is, rather, a collation of data about him that has been published elsewhere, ideally by sources which have no affiliation with him.
 * Creating a separate account for Prof. Tibbetts is a form of sockpuppetry, or abuse of multiple accounts. Since you are colluding off-wiki and using multiple accounts to further the same goals here, we will treat the two of you as though you are a single user operating two accounts. If both accounts continue to edit the article, they will be blocked from editing.
 * In addition, since you are being paid by Prof. Tibbetts to edit this article, you have a severe conflict of interest with Wikipedia. This means that you should not be making any direct edits to the article. If you have changes that you wish to make, bearing in mind the comments above regarding content, then you should make these suggestions on the article's talkpage. You will need to provide reliable, third-party sources to support any proposed changes, and you should add the text string  at the start of your comment. Paid editing is heavily frowned on here (almost to the point of being de facto prohibited), and failure to abide by the conflict of interest guidelines is also liable to result in your account being blocked from editing.
 * In short, what you are proposing is contrary to a number of Wikipedia guidelines - quite simply, it won't be permitted. I'm sorry to be blunt about it, but I figure it's better to clear this up now than see both of you wasting your time (and ours). Yunshui 雲 水 07:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Message received in the first response, thanks. I can appreciate the matter-of-fact response but being new to the site, there was only an ambition to update & edit in addition to a desire to learn what paths to take in compliance with the lengthy Wikipedia standards and guidelines - which we were obviously not well versed in at the time. I can assure you there was no ill intent nor have any funds exchanged hands and any assumption or drawn conclusion to the contrary would be prove to be completely unfounded. The information has been passed on. Thank you for your assistance - I'll not be wasting any more of your time. Have a great day and consider the matter closed. Jinxart (talk) 15:33, 2 May 2014 (UTC)Jinxart