User talk:Jiuguang Wang/Archives


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 * Your userpage has been moved back to User:Jiuguangw, since a userpage must be under the same title as the username of the user him/herself (with User: at the beginning). Again, welcome to Wikipedia!  Cheers,  Mystytopia  23:27, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to WP:ROBO!
 Hi, and welcome to WikiProject Robotics! Our goals are to standardize the structure and content of all Robotics articles, improve Wikipedia's coverage of these articles (hopefully propelling them to featured article status), and serve as the central resource for all discussions and information related to Robotics on Wikipedia.

A few features that you might find helpful:


 * Our navigation box points to most of the useful pages within the project.
 * The Robotics infobox is one way we hope to standardize our coverage of Robotics articles. All Robotics pages should have this infobox, and relevant fields should be filled in and sourced.
 * Most important discussions take place on the project's main discussion page; it is highly recommended that you [ watchlist it].
 * The project has a few expanding departments, which handle article quality assessment, member recruitment and project awareness and article improvement collaborations.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask one of the project participants or post a question on the talk page. We'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! — - Jameson L. Tai   talk ♦  contribs  23:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Systems
Thanks for joining the WikiProject Systems. We can certainly use all the help we can get, especially from students in particular fields like you. If you have some questions please let me know.

WikiProjects are created to improve the quality of articles and I like to give relatively new users also some tips and hints and explain some customs. One custom is not to clear your User:talk page but to copy them into an archive. I created such an archive on your talk page and have added the first items you just deleted.

If you start a draft article on your user space, you can start the following separate pages:
 * User:Jiuguang Wang/State space systems
 * User:Jiuguang Wang/Nonlinear Control

And thanks for starting to add some WikiProject Systems templates on the control theory articles. Good luck. -- Mdd (talk) 14:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Category of Control systems theorists
Hi, thanks for your work on the list of People in systems and control. I noticed you tagged quite a lot of those persons with the WikiProject Systems - tag. I wonder if you also thought of creating a Category for those people. Something of a Category:Control systems theorists are maybe an other name. -- Mdd (talk) 21:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a very good idea - I was looking at Category:Artificial intelligence researchers and Category:Roboticists and thought of the same thing.
 * Done. Category:Control theorists, just to keep the consistency with others in Category:Systems scientists.


 * Thanks. -- Mdd (talk) 21:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * One thing. The listing of categories under an artikel are listed alphabetically. Maybe you can take an other look at every person you just categorized and make this adjustment. Thanks. -- Mdd (talk) 22:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I caught two people without defaultsort...thanks for pointing that out! Jiuguang Wang (talk) 22:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I don't understand if you understand. All categories have to be sorted from A to Z. See for example my move here!? -- Mdd (talk) 22:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see - you are right, they were out of order. Fixed now. Thanks! Jiuguang Wang (talk) 23:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Yu-Chi Ho.jpg
Hi. I have taken a second look at the information you at the image you uploaded. I have to tell you that these things are complicated, and the guys checking these images don't also always know what the exact rules are. they always seems to come up with something new.

As far as I know in this particulair case on Wikipedia it seems ok. But if somebody tags it again, for what reason, you have to contact that person and ask what kind of information he further needs.

I also heard that on Wikicommons in this particulair case, you need a written email from Yu-Chi Ho that he "releases this picture into the public domain". Or he gives you permission to releases this picture into the public domain. A copy of this email should be send to an administrator, who will keep these emails in a closed archive. I don't know the exact details because I haven't done it myselve yet. I you find out, let me know.

It is much easier if you yourselve take a nice new picture of him on a sunny day, and upload and release the image yourselve. -- Mdd (talk) 20:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, hopefully, by this time next year, I'll be taking a nice walk in Harvard Square and play the "spot-a-control-theorist" game. Thanks, Marcel! Jiuguang Wang (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha, ha. -- Mdd (talk) 22:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Systems/Member userbox
Hi, I updated the WikiProject Systems/Member userbox. Now I hope it will fitt in the other boxes.

And two other point:
 * Nice work on the WikiProject Systems/Announcements bye the way. If you find some more faults on the WikiProject Systems page or Portal:Systems science please let me know.
 * A nice next step is to add one or two control scientists to the list of Portal:Systems science/Systems scientist.

Just an idea. Good luck. -- Mdd (talk) 22:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'm leaning towards Rudolf E. Kalman and Richard E. Bellman, but those articles should really be expanded to the quality of the existing systems scientist pages.I've emailed the National Academy of Engineering for the photograph of Kalman, but so far have not received a reply. Jiuguang Wang (talk) 23:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I took a look at both article and did some wikification, and expanded the Richard E. Bellman the easy way. I also uploaded a "fair use image" to the Richard E. Bellman article (This is only acceptated in Wikipedia when the person is dead, which cannot be used in an other place). This will give you a clear start. If you need a picture of Rudolf E. Kalman you could try e-mail him directly. Good luck. -- Mdd (talk) 00:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Richard E. Bellman Control Heritage Award
Hi. I merged the list of award winners into the Richard E. Bellman Control Heritage Award article. There seems no reason to splitthose two in separate articles. -- Mdd (talk) 23:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I separated the two articles because I saw separate pages for IEEE Medal of Honor and List of IEEE Medal of Honor recipients - but yes, I think one page is enough.Jiuguang Wang (talk) 23:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok. I understand but I think those two shouldn't be separated either. But that is out of my field. -- Mdd (talk) 23:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

re: List of IEEE Medal of Honor recipients
I agree with merging them. It used to all part of IEEE Medal of Honor and then someone split the list out. I never understood the point of splitting it in the first place as the main article is pretty small and the list doesn't make it overly long. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I proposed the merge. Could you give a short respond Talk:IEEE Medal of Honor. -- Mdd (talk) 00:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I merged the two articles. No need to wait. -- Mdd (talk) 14:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S. Thanks for participation on YouTube. I have very little experience their, but I have some ideas I would like to discuss. I will get back yo you on that in a week or two, when I am back from a holiday with my family in Turkey. -- Mdd (talk) 14:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure. Have a safe trip! Jiuguang Wang (talk) 14:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
What do you think of using the "Infobox Person" instead of Infobox Scientist for the articles? Person was designed with fields to cover all fields of biography, and the scientist one hasn't been updated in a while, you still can't scale photos in it, so if they are low res, you get aliasing effects and pixilation. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Template:Infobox Person is a bit too general for my use - I tend to focus on articles for scientists and engineers, and half of the parameters for Template:Infobox Person do not really apply. I have noticed the scaling issue, and I'm very interested in updating Template:Infobox scientist. But thanks - I'll be in touch. Jiuguang Wang (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK - now I'm slightly confused - I edited Template:Infobox scientist to have identical image fields as Template:Infobox Person, and I don't see any difference - I think the current setup scales images with respect to the size of the infobox, although occasionally, this is larger than the original. Jiuguang Wang (talk) 20:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

There is also {{Infobox Engineer. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I didn't know there was an infobox for engineers. Jiuguang Wang (talk) 00:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Marconi talks about the first radio contact.
You might want to add the mp3 file i made from an ancient LP with marconi's voice anouncing his first radio contact in this page about marconi. The file could be found here: www.stolpje.nl/~cees/marconi/marconi.mp3

Sincerely yours Cees Keyer 08:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC) cees@ieee.org
 * Hi Cees - thanks for your suggestion. Before I add the clip to Guglielmo Marconi, can you give me more information on the recording (the source, for example)? --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 21:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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Calculus of screws
As an expert in robotics I believe you could help verify or correct an issue connected to applications of linear algebra. Recently I contributed to Screw theory a digest of what I understood from the literature by A.T. Yang and others. I have not been able to verify that a screw motion can be accomplished in the way described by Yang. The ASME has stood behind this notion over the decades, yet it has not been picked up in abstract "mathematical publications". I would appreciate any light you can shed on this gap between engineering and mathematical literature.Rgdboer (talk) 18:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Rgdboer - my expertise in robotics is mainly centered around perception, autonomy, and control. The materials in screw theory focus more on mechanics and hence outside of my research area. I'd be happy to look into it, but at the moment, I'm afraid I don't have any insights to offer. --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 19:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Just had to drop you a line when I saw your contribution to G. W. Pierce and noticed the robotics interest. The situation is a long-standing one; overlap of specialties and University departments on WP challenges us to square up what has been left incongruent.Rgdboer (talk) 20:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Systems Assessment
Hi, I just finished assessing all (about a 100) control theory articles, you tagged with the wikiproject systems. Thanks again for bringing them to the WikiProject and my attention. -- Mdd (talk) 22:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Marcel! I know I've been the "king of stubs" recently, but I promise that I intend to start writing quality materials soon. --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 23:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You did some great work lately. I have no problems with stubs. It is a good way to start for both readers and writters. I removed some of the tags (that others putt) in your latest articles. Please notify my if this brings you in any trouble. -- Mdd (talk) 23:50, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Dov Frohman-Bentchkowsky
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This AfD
May seem strange to you that this article, of the bunch you created, should be the one nominated for deletion. I changed your article to a redirect to Dov Frohman. You might search on a few variations of names for these engineers before you start new articles, try family names alone, although Wikipedia can be poorly organized in this way. I have no idea how User:Chzz came to the conclusion that Dov Frohman did not "satisfy Wikipedia's creteria for inclusion," because Chzz doesn't say anything on the AfD about this, and here, he/she only discusses his/her feelings about the issue. I don't see any reason Frohman wouldn't be in an encyclopedia, so I can't help you in getting past that stumbling block of dealing with people's "feelings" about certain articles.

Still, good job adding stubs about substantive people, rather than minor television show characters to an encyclopedia. Do expect to have all sorts of them nominated for deletion simply because they're not cartoon characters. Try tagging the talk pages with WikiProject Engineering or something to get other in-the-know editors to help you with writing, referencing, and researching the articles. Good luck, though. --Blechnic (talk) 04:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all your help - I plan to expand these articles later today, and hopefully no more deletions nominations will occur. And good catch on the redirect - I caught a few myself, but was unaware of the last name change. Thanks! --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 13:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Name changes
Why are you changing the names of multiple bios to remove the middle name? This is madness, needlessly creating redirects all over the place. It does not even conform with guidelines, which prefer middle names in full unless the subject is better known otherwise.


 * Hi - if I interpreted the guideline clearly, the most common name is preferred over other versions. For an scientist/engineer, publications usually follow the format of "First, Middle Initial, Last", and it is the most common format for scientist/engineers. All the page moves I made was in response to an expansion for the IEEE Edison Medal, for which all (that I checked) use the format stated above. I believe this is consistent with the guidelines. --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 20:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that by far and away the most sensible thing to do would be for you to create redirects with your preferred name format. Besides anything else, you are creating double redirects everywhere.  Michael I. Pupin, which, I notice is the name you originally had in the IEEE article, redirects to Mihajlo Idvorski Pupin.  By redirecting Mihajlo Idvorski Pupin to Mihajlo I. Pupin, you have broken all these links (and there are a lot of them) and I saw no attempt by you to fix them before I reverted.  All those other changes you made to the IEEE engineers have probably also broken links but I don't have the time to look at them all - YOU need to clean them up or revert your moves.


 * Yes, the guidelines say use the most common name, but there is also a strong preference for not using initials, or punctuation in general, in article titles. This should only be done where the initial is actually part of the well known name (we are talking politicians, musicians and actors here).  Most people are going to search on surname or first name/lastname, not initials.  The guidelines say there are exceptions, but this is for cases like George W. Bush, where the initial is part of the well known form.  All the other forms should be redirects to the main article.

 Sp in ni ng  Spark  21:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Double redirects are fixed by a number of bots, and I didn't see a reason to do it myself (in any case, cyclic graphs is not a wiki phenomenon). As for the middle name, see here, here, and here, all from IEEE with an middle initial. I maintain my position on the middle name as a common way to refer to Pupin (I guess we can agree to disagree).


 * Thanks for pointing this out to me. I will check on the redirect issues in the future. --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You have not followed the guidelines correctly. The use of a "fullstop" is derorgated in favour of a period.  Hence your renaming of Frank Julian Sprague is not in accordance with the guidelines.  I also note that you failed to indicate you intention to rename this article on the talkj page in advance, which is a failue to obtain WP:CONSENSUS as to the renaming on this page.  I therefore urge you to use a little more restriant when renaming pages, and to ensure that you fully understand the guidelines.  Olana North (talk) 13:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 14:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Regarding the fix you made to the (proto) article in my userspace. First of all, you should be aware that it is against etiquette to mess with pages in userspace without the users permission.  However, I am not complaining in this case since I could be construed to have encouraged you to do this.
 * More to the point, it would have been rather less intrusive if you had repointed the link with a pipe. That way the original text of the article stays the same and you do not have to worry about the context.  If you have been doing that on all the articles which link to Pupin you have dramatically increased the number of editors who could potentially get upset with you since Pupin links to many dozens of places.  If it is all the IEEE engineer articles . . . make some room on your talk page now.
 * I agree with ON, article name changes should be discussed beforehand on the article talk pages, or, if you can find a suitable one, a project talk page which covers all the IEEE engineers. Global changes of the sort you are trying to carry out are especially likely to attract controversy and all the more reason for discussing first.
 *  Sp in ni ng  Spark  15:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I must have edited it by mistake - sorry about that. I will make room on my talk page...thanks! --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Nobel Prize icon
hello. yes, it's been deprecated. the infobox scientist template instructions have been updated. cheers! --emerson7 23:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you very much. I assume that the icon can still be inserted into the "Awards" field? --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 23:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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TR100 is being proposed for deletion according to WP:PROD. As such it will be deleted unless an editor objects to the deletion. Any editor can object, and should do so by removing the dated prod template. As per text of template. As long as the template is on the page the deletion might not be considered contested.

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 * Hi Taemyr - thank you very much for the information. I suspect that the two editors who placed the deletion tags on the article will persist to AfD, and without proper clean up, they might succeed in getting the article deleted. I plan to do some clean up on the links within the article, then remove the PROD tag. Thanks! --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 00:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

License tagging for Image:William Le Roy Emmet.gif
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 * Done. --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 00:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Infobox scientist
I see what you're saying. While there was no consensus on the images as a whole, I do remember a conversation on the centralized discussion regarding non-blps. In that one, there was a decent consensus to remove the images from those. That's what I was going by, I had no intention of removing all of the placeholders, just those non-blps. I'll try and find where that discussion took place, and will stop removing them until I find it. Wizardman 18:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for the message - your efforts are greatly appreciated! --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 19:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. You have provided no indication that the article has "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". HrafnTalkStalk 15:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. Let's continue on the talk page. --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
If the Scientist infobox talk page becomes cluttered with WP banners, then we could always use WikiProjectBanners and nest each Wikiproject banner, as in Isaac Newton Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 23:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * My point was that the infobox is not directly related to any WikiProject, but merely used by all (WikiProject Physics, for example). If all WikiProjects that use the infobox starts adding their tag to the talk page, then it'll be a mess, regardless of the banner shell use. Take a look at WikiProject Council/Directory/Science. By your logic, most of the projects listed there have a claim on the infobox. Should we have a banner shell containing 100+ projects? --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 00:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Vijay Kumar (roboticist)
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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. gp pande  «talk»  15:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Jaydev P. Desai
A tag has been placed on Jaydev P. Desai requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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 * Do not remove the tag yourself - if you want to comment - put template:hangon as per process - let an admin decide on it. -- gp pande  «talk»  16:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Silas D. Alben

 * Thank you very much...--Jiuguang Wang (talk) 21:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you do not want rollback, then contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some information on how to use rollback, you can view this page. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, just leave me a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Happy editing! Malinaccier (talk) 01:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
 * Rollback can only be used to revert vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
 * Rollback may be removed at any time.
 * Thanks! --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 01:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Talkheader
This is in response to your edit to Talk:Cultural algorithm. As the text on Template:Talkheader states, this template should only be used when needed, that is, when the talk page guidelines on that particular talk page are being ignored. So it should not have been added to Talk:Cultural algorithm. It's not a big deal, but I thought you might want to know. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 16:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry about that - I just encountered the tag a few days ago, and thought it was a nice thing to have on talk pages. I'll stop adding this template immediately. Thanks! --Jiuguang (talk) 16:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Computer vision vs. robotics
I have some concerns about the recent inclusions of computer vision pages into the robotics project:


 * "Recently, I notice that a large number of computer vision articles have been included into the robotics project by User:Jiuguang Wang. It is true that a large part of the work in computer vision may be relevant to robotics. It is however also the case that you can work in computer vision without ANY association to robotics. Hence, computer vision is an independent subfield of computer science on a similar independent footing as other areas of computer science, such as machine learning or robotics, however, with mutual relationsships. I would say that I as well as many other users/authors/researchers with a background in computer vision are not comfortable with this implicit decision of classifying computer vision articles as part of a robotics project. If there should be a new organizational structure for reworking the computer vision pages, this work should be done from the scope of computer vision, not robotics. Tpl (talk) 09:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)"

Please, reply on the talk page for the Wiki robotics project. Tpl (talk) 09:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

10 July DYK
Thanks! --Jiuguang (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Request email of deleted stub Davide Marocco
Hey, you left a minder on my talk page that stub Davide Marocco was speedy deleted under section A7 criteria for speedy deletion. Apparently there's some question of his notability. Davide Marocco and another researcher Stefano Nolfi are currently doing research in AI, from a unique angle dealing with language development. I had added some material to the main AI article in which I referenced work done by Marocco... which you can find here.

The material was later deleted from the main AI article because of it's specific nature and the fact that the AI article is already very long and needs to be cut back. The research is important and if I find a good place for it, I will reintroduce the research.. in which case I will want the Davide Marocco stub again.... So right now the stub is not really important but I would like a copy of it, if in case, I find a good place to add how language evolution is currently being tested in AI cognisance.--Sparkygravity (talk) 03:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi - I nominated the article for deletion, but it was actually another admin who did the actual deletion. I, unfortunately, do not have access to the material deleted and you should consult someone who does (any admin will do).
 * If you expand the stub to include more information and address the notability issues, let me know and perhaps I can help in some way. I think the main issue at the moment is that he is not a widely cited researcher in AI, but if you can show that his work is indeed influential, it will certainly help. Good luck! --Jiuguang (talk) 04:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Categories
Hey, are you still working on trying to get the categories into the WikiProject banner? :-)  - Jameson L. Tai   talk  ♦  contribs  04:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I've completely rewrote Template:WikiProject Robotics with WPBannerMeta and created the standard quality/importance category names. I'm still waiting for all the pages to update to see if I messed something up. (I think about 75% of the pages still have not been updated). In the mean time, I started the assessment, and still have about 500 pages left (down from 750).


 * What will come next is that I will add the TF1, etc...parameters in the WPBannerMeta to our template, creating the taskforce/categories. Then, we start start going through categories like Category:Robots to classify the articles. I'm hesitant to do that now since I still don't know if the WPBannerMeta modifications broke something.

--Jiuguang (talk) 13:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool! That was what I thought you were planning to do, but I just wanted to touch bases with you.  I'll probably start jumping into the assessment drive soon.  I'm currently visiting family, so my hours of actually sitting in front of my tablet and doing all of this is harder than usual.  :-)  Let me know if you need anything in particular!  and Thanks again for your hard work!   - Jameson L. Tai   talk  ♦  contribs  17:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Pfaffian constraint
Thank you for creating Pfaffian constraint. Kingturtle (talk) 15:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you - I think it's hard for people to create articles on these topics since it's extremely difficult to do better than a stub/start, and they tend to get deleted for the lack of content. Nevertheless, it's important for editors with a broad knowledge of a particular field to be bold and start these stubs so that eventually, people can try to improve them. --Jiuguang (talk) 15:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Omnidirectional camera
Hi, nice work. I did some minor edits and added a comment on the discussion page. The images are nice but need some additional explanations. --KYN (talk) 22:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks again - I actually found the images on the Dutch Wikipedia, and am working on a translation. --Jiuguang (talk) 22:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Massera's lemma DYK
Hi Jiuguang. I just wanted to say thanks for the effort you took to make approving this hook easier. It happens that I do have access to the paper on sciencedirect, but given how much of DYK reviewing consists of dealing with people who don't understand the rules and complain when we demand citations, the sentiment behind your pdf upload was certainly appreciated! The hook's been verified and is good to go on the Main Page. Best, Olaf Davis | Talk 11:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It was my pleasure - thank you for the second verification. Regardless of whether the hook will be selected, your efforts are very much appreciated. I look forward to working with you again. --Jiuguang (talk) 13:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * By the way - you must be the only astrophysicist I know who puts up sonnets on his page (not that there are that many scientists and engineers on Wikipedia to begin with). I'm so going to steal this and claim the "first roboticist with a sonnet" title...:) --Jiuguang (talk) 13:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm glad they've made an impression then! Anything in particular in mind? Of course, there's always this ,though it's not a sonnet... Olaf Davis | Talk 14:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I too will look forward to seeing you around DYK or elsewhere again! Olaf Davis | Talk 14:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Not exactly a sonnet, but certainly rivals your WikiPoems. Enjoy~ --Jiuguang (talk) 22:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice! Olaf Davis | Talk 11:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Logic
Are you interested in logical equation reduction? -- adaptron (talk) 10:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * When I was an undergraduate, one of my majors was electrical engineering, and as a result, I had several classes where Karnaugh map was used for digital circuit reduction. Overall, I really hated circuits and the only reason I was in EE was because of control theory and DSP. I suppose from a roboticist's point of view, logic equation reduction is somewhat important to knowledge-based system in artificial intelligence, but I'm guessing that's not what you had in mind.
 * Basically few people find a need for binary state reduction except logic circuit designers who can take advantage of special reduction capability only available to hardware. I was hoping at one time to use the software method to reduce computer programs to minimum form or as a method of data compression but since programs and data change frequently the method would most likely have to be implemented in hardware. -- adaptron (talk) 18:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * How about if you refer me to some articles you'd like to work on, and I'll have a better answer then? :) --Jiuguang (talk) 13:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Currently my work involves developing applications for Optimal classification, multiple state logical equation reduction and neural networks. In general, both methods were placed on hold as computers became widespread due to the radical increase in speed over manual methods computers offered, which these methods were intended to address prior to the widespread use and development of computers. Many tasks, however, remain manual which robots might one day be trained to perform, but in ether case both methods are capable of increasing the speed of processes that are automated even still. The technique of Optimal classification is especially noteworthy for its ability to find the maximum number of hidden nodes required and to greatly improve the training speed of neural networks. However, since many Wikipedia articles are at a post-graduate level and since some articles have "owners" and other articles have "WP cops" in many cases I prefer to author or edit Wikibooks or Simple Wikipedia articles instead of articles here. -- adaptron (talk) 18:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information - I read your article here, and to be honest, I don't see how the end result is different from the Quine–McCluskey algorithm. In additional, from a computational complexity point of view, this algorithms seems to be a lot less efficient than QM - I don't know visual basic, but I can see several occurrences of triple nested for loops.


 * The question of whether the end result is the same or not depends entirely upon whether the Quine–McCluskey algorithm can reduce multiple state equations. One of the great misapprehensions of the Twentieth Century is that the capability to resolve mathematical problems in other bases using binary logic means that human thought can be simulated using binary logic to reduce multiple state equations when multiple states are present. In other words that binary logic is sufficient to handle logical equations which in addition to the states of "yes" and "no" have the state of "maybe." I have not been able to convert a multiple state logical equation into a binary state logical equation, say perhaps by adding a new variable, reduce it to minimum form, and then convert the reduction back into a multiple state equation and I wasted a great deal of time thinking it was possible and could render identical results.


 * Algorithm efficiency can possibly be improved by a variety of means such as using threads or recursion where steps are repeated or redundant and parallel for each row and column, as well as the possibility of converting the Quine–McCluskey algorithm to handle multiple states, if it does not do so now. -- adaptron (talk) 00:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You said that you published the computer program in 1981 and went on to other matters...can you point me to that original publication? Perhaps I can get a better idea afterwards. In the mean time, if you need an IEEE journal article, feel free to leave a link and I can get it for you. Thanks! --Jiuguang (talk)


 * I made a photocopy of the original program which I had printed with instructions. If you can provide me with an email address which can accept an image file I will send a copy to your. I will look again for the IEEE article and post it here as soon as I can find it. -- adaptron (talk) 00:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Email: j.w@gatech.edu. I think I originally misunderstood the "multiple state logic equation" you referred to. Based on your most recent reply, how is that different from fuzzy logic? --Jiuguang (talk) 00:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * In searching for the IEEE article I remember I came across this IEEE article which I have not read and would find very interesting since it appears to cover the topic of a universal logic machine capable of handling multi-valued logic which has already been developed.
 * Fuzzy logic in general considers multiple states to be more or less a statistical value between 0 and 1 and results in an approximation somewhat like neural networking is supposed to do versus providing an exact answer. -- adaptron (talk) 00:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That is exactly what fuzzy logic does - so I guess I really need to see your article to know what you mean. You should also give me your email address - I can email you the IEEE article. --Jiuguang (talk) 00:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My reference to multiple states is to whole numbers, i.e., positive integers versus real numbers between 0 and 1. I have sent the contents by email of the zip file I last created. -- adaptron (talk) 01:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And by the way - this IEEE article refers to the Multiple-Valued Cube Calculus, which is addressed in Espresso heuristic logic minimizer. --Jiuguang (talk) 00:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Again my goal was not necessarily to produce an efficient method for reducing multi-valued logical equations to minimum form but rather to simulate human thinking in terms of conclusion reaching more so than applying the step by step process. Certainly anyone would find the task of using the Harvard Chart Method inside their brain to reach a more logically accurate conclusion, instead of doing so intuitively, would probably suffer the undesirable result of a very swollen head. My test for any of the above mentioned methods in regard to fulfilling the goal of simulating human thought is somewhat akin to the Turing test in that if any of these methods produce the same intuitive and logical result and are more efficient all the better. -- adaptron (talk) 01:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Any method used need only diagram a multi-valued logical statement and then assign the meaning of the multi-valued variables to multi-valued symbolic variables, form a logical equation and reduce it to minimum form. I have been told on numerous occasions that no human thinks like this but again if you get near some of the left over personnel from some of the projects started by the former Soviet Union such as their space program then you might see this as a definite improvement over their commitment to using binary logic instead.

User definition of happiness
Happiness is lots of love and no money or lots of love and lots of money or lots of love and some money or some love and no money or some love and lots of money or some love and some money.

multiplestates.txt contents
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Program Results
C = 1A + 2A

Results Interpretation
Happiness is lots of love or some love.

-- adaptron (talk) 02:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I just Googled multi-valued logic, and I'm now beginning to see what you are saying. I don't agree with your setup, though, especially the love-happiness example above and the connection to AI and Turing test. There's also already a MVL minimization here --Jiuguang (talk) 02:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not suggesting that direct application of the Turing test itself here is a true test of any of these method since the methods themselves are quite limited to reducing multi-valued logic equations to minimum form, which is but a minor aspect of human interaction at the level of the Turing test. However, I hold the ability of using any method which is truly capable of reducing logical arguments to minimum form as valid simulation of valid and accurate logical human thought - a function which people, especially judges, are accustomed to doing everyday. The process has the inherent ability of eliminating contradictions, conflicts and tautology so as to validate a rule and eliminate all of these issues before a rule is accepted and stored. -- adaptron (talk) 02:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * And also, I don't see the improvement of multivalued logic over binary logic - as long as there are finite number of states, you can always convert it to a binary fashion, right? And binary is cheap. I see very limited usefulness for MVL - unless we are talking about fuzzy logic, in which there are infinite number of states. --Jiuguang (talk) 02:31, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It is not a matter of improvement except in terms of thinking logically at the level of a human being. No, that is the problem I mentioned above. You can not convert multiple state logic to binary state logic, reduce it and then convert it back to multiple state like you can do with math. That is what few people ever come to understand after there first number systems course. Bottom line is that you can not represent a multiple state concept like "maybe" using binary symbolic logic. -- adaptron (talk) 02:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * From what I read, the "maybe" state you are referring to isn't in the formalism of multi-valued logic. In MVL, the states are not distinguished by "true" or "false" (or "maybe"), but rather that each value is simply another state. It's true - you cannot convert maybe, but you can convert multi-state to binary state. See the discussion at the end of ternary logic as well as here. --Jiuguang (talk) 03:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Multi-valued logic need only include states which are mutually exclusive and unique within the variable. So as long as that criteria is met the assigned meaning otherwise does not matter. Do not confuse a lack of states sufficient to move from a higher base to a lower one with conversion from a higher base to a lower one as in number system conversion. While you may end up with only 2 states remaining after a higher base equation is reduced the fact that the 2 states are still part of a higher base system can not be ignored and the 2 remaining states thought of after the reduction as now belonging to a 2 valued logic. --<font face="rage italic" size="4.5" color="LightSteelBlue"> adaptron (talk) 04:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * See also defuzzification --Jiuguang (talk) 03:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all this help, especially with the links. Kleene's work is of special interest to me since we share many points of contact and interest. My visits to DC, Amherst and Maine, my cousin's graduation from Princeton, connections with the Navy, his interest in recursion and his work to make Gödel more comprehendable; in addition to the logic operations he developed for ternary logic. --<font face="rage italic" size="4.5" color="LightSteelBlue"> adaptron (talk) 09:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

For others interested, see Articles for deletion/Optimal classification for a case of WP:NOR by User:Adaptron and associated WP:SOCK. --Jiuguang (talk) 14:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jiuguang for revealing yourself to be a backstabber. Others be warned! --<font face="rage italic" size="4.5" color="LightSteelBlue"> adaptron (talk) 10:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

NPA
Some of your comments in the AfD of the above article are --regardless of the provocation -- totally outrageous personal attacks. Consider this a warning never to do likewise, or you will certainly be blocked. Needless to say, this is not a comment on your overall position in the discussion,or on the merits of the article. Cf. DGG (talk) 04:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message - I was pointing out that 1) there is a credibility issue in that the editor's state of mind is more focused on his/her own interests rather than improving Wikipeida; 2) the issue with the article is not just because it is original research, but that it is fraudulent original research that is "purely of her imagination (or pieced together from existing ideas" (different from taking your recent research paper and publish it here); 3) the editor (again) has no credibility as a computer scientist, given the long and unnecessary religious discussion in a supposedly scientific paper.
 * As for the high schooler comment, I do admit to a personal attack - a reaction of the Wikia comment. --Jiuguang (talk) 12:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * when you find it necessary to say things of that sort, the way is to word it as "the article in question contains..." etc., & to say "the author's" not "her". Just as effective. It's also wise to imply things like "fraudulent," not use the actual word. Just a note for the future--I hope we will soon see the end of this particular problem. :) DGG (talk) 04:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again - this is actually my first really serious discussion of any kind since I started editing a few months ago - I will most certainly pay attention to these things in the future, and I really appreciate your advice. --Jiuguang (talk) 11:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free to ask me anytime, preferably before things get difficult. :) DGG (talk) 03:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your continued support of WP:ROBO

 * Thanks, Jameson, for my first barnstar and for being such an excellent collaborator! --Jiuguang (talk) 01:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

SSP Report for Julie Dancer
For the heck of it I went ahead and opened a SSP case about Julie Dancer. I relaized that nothing anyone can say will convince this user to stop, so I went ahead and did it. Just FYI. Livitup (talk) 15:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you - I've replied there. --Jiuguang (talk) 15:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Wang, I grew up in a town where there were many atheists. Many end up being killed in gang fights, or from overdose. Others have found religion. Some have chosen to worship the State as God. Most of them end up in prison because, after all, that is one of the only places where their God supports, loves and takes care of them. In your case I think you have found the Wikipedia and Georgia Tech. Both have become your God. I'm concerned about this because I know two women who were college students, one from Georgia, that were recently murdered. One had only visited Cuba as an exchange student and the other was from the Ukraine. Both, however were socialists and atheists as yourself and many belief that is the reason they were killed. I'm telling you this because, like them, you are making the mistake of attacking people for the reason that they believe in a traditional Heavenly God and because I am against killing of any kind. However, like yourself there are persons out there who are as devoted to their God as you are to yours and who will not hesitate to prove that their God is superior. I know that there is nothing I can do about this except to convince you in the face of your Communist upbringing that Jesus Christ is the way to go. Think about it and if you prefer we can discuss this by email instead of on a talk page. Have a great day and remember that Jesus loves you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.14.25 (talk) 19:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * When anonymous IP edits to random talk pages results to comments such as this... one must wonder how sad the person must be. Get an account and sign in so we can block you.   - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk  ♦  contribs  20:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL... It is your constant blocking to prevent reply that exemplifies the Communist method. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.166.189 (talk) 21:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * 71.100.x.x - if you want to attack me on my talk page, fine; but please don't attack another editor here. --Jiuguang (talk) 21:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just because you recruited Jameson Tai to help you in your evil doings and to operate on your behalf does not mean that I am attacking him or necessarily you. What I am doing is trying to help you understand that Americans know you were indoctrinated and sent here as a Communist agent, no different than a child being trained from birth to be a gymnast at the Olympics to win the gold medal for their motherland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.163.171 (talk) 07:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Optimal Classification
I really do appreciate your comments, and I do appreciate what you are trying to accomplish. My hope is that this book will eventually expand, either through contributions from the current author or new authors. I've found that people are more likely to contribute to an existing book then to attempt to create a new one from scratch. Therefore, even if this book is lousy now, I have high hopes that it will improve, one way or another.

On Wikibooks we are patient. It's a requirement when you're working on projects as big as a book. However, we're not ignorant or soft either: If the book doesn't improve significantly given enough time, it will be deleted. I hope hope hope it becomes better. Thanks again. --Whiteknight (books) (page) 00:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I absolutely will respect that and thank you very much for your understanding. If there's anything I can do to clarify issues or be of any assistance, please do let me know. Thanks! --Jiuguang (talk) 01:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Jiuguang, unfortunately you have proven you do not respect that concept here and are therefore not worthy of any understanding. If clarification of issues was really your intent you would have proven that by posting your clarifications on the article discussion page while it was here or at least posting appropriate tags to the article prior to a nomination for deletion tag. In my honest opinion then I must conclude that you are a fake, a liar or both and that is merely an honest observation rather than a personal attack.

Semiprotected
I have taken the liberty of semi-protecting this talk page to protect it from vandalism by sockpuppets of User:Julie Dancer. If you want the protection lifted, just leave a message on my talk page. Nandesuka (talk) 14:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much - I hope he/she can cool down after a few weeks. --Jiuguang (talk) 13:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK?
Did you know I copied your user page's code for my user page pretty much? You know, I thought about copying the WP:GA page's coding, but then I saw yours and it was soooooo much easier to recode... :D Thanks btw!


 * Oh, glad you liked it. I especially enjoyed your bio. :) --Jiuguang (talk) 13:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Robot categories
Wow, you certainly noticed that quickly! I'm still in the middle of setting up a "group CFD" for several Robot categories, so I haven't created the CFD section yet. I always notify editors when one of their Categories goes to CFD, so rest assured that I will post the info right here very shortly, as soon as I get it all set up. Regards, Cgingold (talk) 21:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure - thanks! --Jiuguang (talk) 21:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay -- the CFDs are all here. I've nominated  for deletion, and three other categories you created (plus an additional one created by another editor) for renaming. It's all explained at the CFD section.
 * You certainly put a lot of good work into setting up those sub-cats and bringing a degree of order to the "chaos" of . You might like to go through the sub-cats and have a look at the new parent cats I just added to a bunch of them, so that they will be linked to other categories besides Robots.


 * See you at CFD. Regards, Cgingold (talk) 23:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I've added my comment at the CFD. --Jiuguang (talk) 23:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Julie Dancer (the fun continues)
I have been notified by my good friend, the Director of Security at Florida Tech, regarding an email sent the Florida Tech President's Office from Julie Dancer. I'd like to give you a heads up. I have sorted things out with him, and have sent him information regarding the AfD, SSP, and ANI. I'm sure he will forward it to someone in the CS department to verify the issue, but I wanted to you get a heads up that you were named in the email as well, so people at Georgia Tech may be looking for you soon.  - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk ♦  contribs  07:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm filed a request on ArbCom, listed your username as one of the parties. Please check with Georgia Tech if they received such an email.  Thanks.   - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk  ♦  contribs  09:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Jameson. For me, Julie Dancer made the mistake of sending emails to Henrik I. Christensen and my advisor, Magnus B. Egerstedt, and I've already spoken to them about this situation. Since then, I know that my advisor received several more emails from her, pitching the "logic reduction to prove the existence of God" idea, but they made the trash can very quickly. If she did not send those emails, and sent it GT's security office instead, then I'd be more worried, but she did, and I now have two professors to back me up if necessary.
 * (rest sent via email) --Jiuguang (talk) 13:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Bancroft Gherardi - IEEE medal recipient
You had created a link to this gentleman as a recipient of the medal. However, the link pointed to his father, a noted U.S. Civil War naval officer. There is no specific article for the electrical engineer by the same same. 8th Ohio Volunteers (talk) 19:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh dear - you are absolutely right. Thank you very much for pointing that out...I'll be writing a new article later today. --Jiuguang (talk) 13:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Cooperative optimization
Hi, does Cooperative optimization remind you of anyone? Seems familiar to me. Kevin (talk) 12:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In optimization, there are algorithms which exhibits cooperative behaviors, such as particle swarm optimization, but I personally don't think the phrase "cooperative optimization" is widely used in the optimization community. I do think there is an obvious conflict of interest, since all the references were written by Xiaofei Huang, the author of the article, and I do think the notability tag is appropriate, since the topic doesn't seem to be widely cited. As for optimal classification, however, I don't think there is an obvious relationship. OC contained large amount of materials which are purely fabricated for whatever reasons, and the citations (mainly books) doesn't back up the materials in any way. The equations and texts in cooperative optimization, on the other hand, does seem to be verifiable, and the references are legitimate. Take a look at Optimal Classification. I think they are quite different. --Jiuguang (talk) 13:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It did seem very familiar, but then I have little knowledge in the field. One thing I did notice is that the refs with ISBNs show different authors to that claimed in the reference. Something is odd about that. Cheers Kevin (talk) 13:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is because those are edited volumes, Huang only contributed to maybe a chapter or a section. The authors you would find on, say, Amazon, are the chief editors. I think these are cases of citation errors (intentional or unintentional). --Jiuguang (talk) 13:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See, for example, this. If you look inside the book (click on the cover), Chapter 7 is authored by X. Huang. --Jiuguang (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That is useful to learn. A lot of the book sites are a bit ambiguous as to author/editor status. Kevin (talk) 10:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Whew, I thought the guy came back in sheep's clothing. You know, OC will be one of those great stories to tell during RfAs... :D at this point it's just something to laugh about.   - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk  ♦  contribs  11:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:ActivMedia Pioneer 3-AT robot.jpg
Hey! Florida Tech just bought a PowerBot... which is similar to the Pioneer you guys have @ Georgia Tech. I'm actually designing an autonomous tool changer for it. :D  - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk  ♦  contribs  18:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool - I think another lab here has one of those, and they are using Microsoft Robotics Studio. I miss my Pioneer - I have since switch to iRobot Creates, which are cheap but have unbelievably bad odometry. Enjoy your PowerBot while you can...:) --Jiuguang (talk) 18:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Something to lighten up the mood...
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Jameson L. Tai has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching! Read this section. It's absolutely hilarious.  - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk  ♦  contribs  05:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.


 * ...delicious. Thanks! --Jiuguang (talk) 14:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

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Video
Hey! :D I listed a sample video of our PowerBot on Facebook. me your facebook link. :D  - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk  ♦  contribs  14:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, don't have a Facebook account...well, not since my "William Shakespeare" account got suspended. I do want to see the video, though. YouTube? --Jiuguang (talk) 15:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrcgS2CNpYk
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8r3BF0kUJI
 * Enjoy.  - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk ♦  contribs  04:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks very nice! Fully equipped, too. I want to steal that laser scanner.... --Jiuguang (talk) 17:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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categories
Thank you for your desire to improve the usability of wikipedia. However please don't add categories to pages where you don't have firsthand knowledge or references, such as you did with Category:Roboticists for Mark Overmars‎ and some others. While these people do some research in areas which (these areas) can be applied to robitics, these people are not roboticists. `'Míkka>t 18:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK - in case you missed it, I'll provide a link: and . Maybe you should recheck your sources. Kanade does more than just vision, and Overmars worked extensively in motion planning. I'll wait for your response before re-adding these categories. --Jiuguang (talk) 19:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * pwnd.  - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk ♦  contribs  15:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Mark Overmars
My reasoning was that, though some of Mark's work has theoretical implications in robotics, "roboticist" implies a more direct involvement. It would be like (to use a moderately exaggerated example) classifying a nanotech researcher as a bicycle engineer. Perhaps we could replace it with Category:Artificial intelligence researchers? — <font face="Arial" color="green">xDanielx T/C\R 18:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If you look at his journal articles list (let's say, post-2000, or the first 30 articles), about 30% are published in robotics journals. I don't know how much more "directly involved" a researcher can be. This is not just the applications of computational geometry in robotics (like your example), but really robotics-focused article (see, for example,  Planning time-minimal safe path amidst unpredictably moving obstacles). As for Category:Artificial intelligence researchers, I don't see much publications in AI journals - and I also don't consider motion planning a subfield of AI. Overall, most roboticists can be classified as AI researchers, and given Overmars' fundamental contributions to robotics (specifically), I think the current category is more appropriate. --Jiuguang (talk) 19:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * Your great work is coming at the right time for me, because I came to Wikipedia wanting to write about robotics, but then I started focusing on copyediting, article reviewing and style guidelines (you can see a lot of my work at WP:Update and WT:MOS, for instance). I'm ready to do more collaborating on articles; let's give it a try.  Pick any article you've worked on, tell me what sources you have used or would like to use for that article (I prefer online sources because that makes it easier for other people to read the sources, but I can get books through interlibrary loans when I need to), and I'll help you write the article. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 14:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

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Hey are you going to that ASME/IEEE robotics conference in London next year?  - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk ♦  contribs  18:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sadly, no. I really want to go, though, I haven't been back home in..almost 4 years. Maybe next year. I'm working on this super-cool manipulation project for a class, maybe I can make it to CDC 2009. It's in Shanghai. --Jiuguang (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait - London? I was thinking 2008 in Beijing. Maybe. --Jiuguang (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

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Hey, back in July you tagged Automatic number plate recognition as a WP:ROBO topic. The reason I found out about this is that the article is currently on FAR. Now I know this is arguable either way, but I don't think ANPR is necessarily robotics as it is AI. Now I know we cover AI a lot in WP:ROBO, but it turns out if you search WikiProject Artificial intelligence, you'll find that it actually redirects to WikiProject Computer science. I think it may be time to let WP:WPCS know about the FAR on ANPR as well as assess what topics should WP:WPCS cover on AI, and what we should be covering in WP:ROBO.  - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk ♦  guestbook  ♦  contribs  05:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Jameson - happy new year! I think it was tagged because it appeared under some AI/Computer Vision categories, but at its current state, it really doesn't cover any issues that we care about. I have no objections for the tag removal. Also free feel to start talk with WP:WPCS.
 * Sorry I've been out of touch lately - I'm trying to juggle three research projects and five classes (with some cool pictures that you might like - I'll send a link later). Leaving the sane land anyday now. --Jiuguang (talk) 15:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You mean you still have your sanity?!? Hahaha my sanity left me years and years ago.  :)  I've began talking with WP:WPCS and (at least their preliminary response has been that) they don't mind having CS topics in AI shared with us since a lot of their articles are shared with the WP Math anyways.  I have asked them to consider checking to see if ANPR is something within their WP scope so the next step would be having them to tag it into their WikiProject, at which point we can revisit whether we would like to keep the article in our CompVision/AI "mini-task force".  I just don't think it's right to abandon the article mid-FAR and have no WikiProjects assigned to collaborate and fix its FA status.  Oh yeah, there's no rush, so I'll try to work to keep it on FA depending on how the FAR goes.  I'll try to keep you updated.  Oh yeah, about those robot pictures, you've got my email addy right?  :)   - Jameson L. Tai  <sup style="color:#660000;"> talk  ♦  guestbook  ♦  contribs  09:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

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Quality control and genetic algorithms
Hi Jiuguang Wang, could you express your opinion about the ongoing issues at the Quality control and genetic algorithms article. Thanks you. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Marcel - it's good to hear from you! It's been a long time. I have added my comment. --Jiuguang (talk) 19:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Jiuguang. Thanks for your expert opinion. I think it brings some new perspective into the discussion. And indeed, it has been almost a year since we last spoke. I guess we went two separate ways. I from visualization and systems engineering to enterprise architecture, and you into robotics. I have just looked into some of your latest work, and I think you are doing great. Your list of contributions is impressive.


 * I did notice a lot of orphan tags (and some reference tags) which have been there for a few months now. These should be relatively easy to avoided by adding a "see also" section in every article, even the stubs. This will give any reader the opportunity to move on after he read the article. It is just a thought. Good luck with your work. If I can be of any assistent please let me know. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 22:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. I did notice your biographical articles are rather "compressed". I usually at a header and a view white lines, explaining improve online reading. I guess this could be a matter of tast. I hope you dont mind...!?


 * Hi Marcel - thank you very much for the suggestions. I've been very busy with school recently and it has been several weeks since I last edited those articles. One of these days, I'm going to find some free time and fix up those stubs. --Jiuguang (talk) 23:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand. I think it is worth the effort. I fixed just some of those orphan problems. Good luck with it, and with your studies. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 23:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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 * Hi Marcel - my interpretation of the guidelines is that the links should be removed; however, I do not believe this has been systematically implemented across algorithms-related articles. It's done on some, not done on others, and unless someone higher up makes a decision to clean up all such articles, this debate is a waste of time. There's really no right answer.
 * It's kind of funny that this debate occurs in the particle swarm optimization article - when I wrote my first conference paper in the summer of 2008, the topic was on the application of stochastic optimization (particularly PSO) to control theory and I found my PSO code on that very page. Yes, it's useful for users, but just not very encyclopedic.
 * I hope you are doing well. It's been a long time since I last edited an article (grad school sort of consumes my life right now), but I hope to get back to this place, soon --Jiuguang (talk) 23:11, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I am fine, thank you, and thanks for your response. I have passed in on. I hope to hear more from you soon. -- Mdd (talk) 22:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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Hi

I have just restored the article which you decided to remove and replace with a redirect.

You were wrong to do this as service robots have many functions, of which domestic robots are merely a sub-type. I would have thought that someone at Carnegie Mellon would have realised that?

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 * Apparently I did that in 2008 - so first of all, kudos on digging that up. Now, as I am indeed from CMU and apparently know how to Google stuff, I know the "official" IFR definition of service robot is "a robot which operates semi- or fully autonomously to perform services useful to the well-being of humans and equipment, excluding manufacturing operations" . This would exclude the industrial robots you listed and make "scientific robots" an debatable choice (the phrase "scientific robots", by the way, seems made up - most articles are talking about rovers). Ultimately, the vast majority of the service robots in the existing robotics journals and conferences are about domestic service robots, so I stand by my original edit. Feel free to write another technically correct article with more than two sentences and some verifiable sources and I'll be happy to see a stand-alone article on service robots --Jiuguang (talk) 23:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * And here is the quote we need - not quite the picture you painted is it ? It even tells you that manipulating industrial robots could also be regarded as service robots...
 * "Service robots have no strict internationally accepted definition, which, among other things, delimits them from other types of equipment, in particular the manipulating industrial robot. IFR, however, have adopted a preliminary definition
 * A service robot is a robot which operates semi- or fully autonomously to perform services useful to the well-being of humans and equipment, excluding manufacturing operations.
 * With this definition, manipulating industrial robots could also be regarded as service robots, provided they are installed in non-manufacturing operations."
 * Chaosdruid (talk) 23:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, sure, any robot that does anything "useful" for us is a service robot. I'm sure you can go nuts with examples. My problem has been the quality of the article (both before and after the resurrection). Maybe you should spend more time quoting sources on the actual article and less time on my talk page? --Jiuguang (talk) 19:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

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