User talk:Jivesh boodhun/Archive1

WP:BADCHARTS
Please do not add single network charts (such as the South African chart), or any charts listed at WP:BADCHARTS (such as the Polish Singles Chart, the Portuguese Singles Chart, and the Bulgarian Singles Chart) to any Wikipedia articles.&mdash;Kww(talk) 17:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The Israeli Singles Chart is also listed at WP:BADCHARTS. Please consult WP:BADCHARTS before adding charts to Wikipedia articles. WP:GOODCHARTS contains a list of preferred charts.&mdash;Kww(talk) 16:00, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Do not add charts listed on WP:BADCHARTS, such as the Portuguese National Top 50, to any Wikipedia articles.&mdash;Kww(talk) 11:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. You must not add charts listed on WP:BADCHARTS to any Wikipedia articles&mdash;Kww(talk) 11:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. It's been a bit, so I'm not upgrading to final warning immediately. You have to stop adding unsourced and fake charts to Beyonce articles. There is no "Billboard Portugal". The Polish source doesn't verify the position. There is no source given for the Billboard Brazil positions. You must stop adding false and unverifiable information to articles.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing. Do not add unverifiable charts (such as Poland), charts listed on WP:BADCHARTS (such as Israel), or unsourced charts (such as South Africa) to articles. How much clearer can a warning be?&mdash;Kww(talk) 16:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Still adding unsourced WP:BADCHARTS
This edit:
 * Stop hand nuvola.svg This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing. - eo (talk) 13:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

User talk:41.136.52.106, your edit was still reverted
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing. - eo (talk) 16:44, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Final warning
Please stop disrupting Beyoncé-related articles and reverting cleanup efforts. There is no need for long, detailed, chart trajectory explanations, which is why they were removed in the first place. Note also that sidestepping warnings by logging out and editing anonymously will lead to an automatic block on this account and any IP addresses you may use. - eo (talk) 21:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

for. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text  below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. - eo (talk) 15:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

One More Time
This is the final warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing. You have been told over and over again: do not add anything from hot100brasil.com to any Wikipedia articles. Do not add content listed on WP:BADCHARTS, which the Hot 100 Brasil most definitely is. Stop.&mdash;Kww(talk) 16:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

for. Please stop. You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. - eo (talk) 20:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

In the hopes that you actually read things and learn, here is the breakdown of the edits you made in the brief period that you were unblocked:
 * You restored a set of detailed trajectories and links to countdown shows that led to your last block
 * You made the problem worse by increasing the detail level further
 * Put a chart for hot100brasil.com back after numerous WP:BADCHART warnings
 * made one acceptable edit.
 * Restored a set of charts that had been removed by two other editors, giving no explanation as to why, including a chart that you had no source for.
 * Restored the unsourced chart without explanation as to why.

I think it's pretty obvious why you were blocked again. Additionally, your behaviour over the last week has resulted in anonymous editing being blocked for your island for three months. If you choose to edit again after your block has expired, please try to have some respect for the policies about providing sources, follow the guidelines about which charts are acceptable, and, more than anything else, learn to discuss your edits with other editors.

Block reset for evading your block
Due to your clear evasion of your block with a sock puppet, I have reset your block. I will expire precisely 1 month from today. Note that any further evasion of your block, and we will be forced to make your block indefinite. Regards, –MuZemike 19:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, note that if you continue to make unblock requests without providing anything other than the same evidence (that's already been turned down) over and over again, I will remove your ability to edit your talk page for the duration of your block. I suggest that you sit out the rest of your block without incident, and then get back to editing. --Deskana (talk) 17:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

In case anyone is considering unblocking him, I simply draw your eyes to my earlier comments. Jivesh was blocked for edit-warring, and the material he repeatedly inserted was not simply excessively detailed, it included unverifiable material and material listed on WP:BADCHARTS, a guideline that he has been repeatedly pointed to. The reference to the "Polish Airplay Charts" that he made in his unblock request is one of the ones that has been pulled repeatedly due to being unverifiable.&mdash;Kww(talk) 05:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced material
Do not start this again. This edit is completely unsourced. You have to have sources for figures that you add to these articles. You are just off a one month block. If you continue down this path, the next block will probably be permanent.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I always check your sources. That's why, on I Am... Sasha Fierce, for example, I only reverted two out of three edits: the first edit was actually good. What you need to understand is that many of the sources you have used in the past are unacceptable: hot100brasil.com, for example, can't be used to source anything, because it is an amateur chart. I don't "threaten" you, either: I warn you about the consequences of bad edits you have made, and point out which of your edits will lead to bad consequences.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:37, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

OKAY. I am sorry. I have been rude to you. I sincerely regret it.

Recent edits
You are doing much better. I'm glad to see that you are taking care to properly cite your additions. There is one minor problem: when you are using "cite web", you need to provide the title of the webpage. Here's an example of Tbhotch correcting one of your edits.

I did make one reversion:. Please don't use language like "massive digital sales". There's a list of examples of the kind of language to avoid at WP:PEACOCK.&mdash;Kww(talk) 17:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

THANKS. You are very nice.

edit warring
If another editor removes material that you have added, do not simply restore the material with an ALL CAPS EDIT SUMMARY. Discuss it with that editor on the other editor's talk page or the article talk page.

In this case, there were numerous reasons for another editor to remove this material:
 * The cover competition is a pretty standard piece of promotion: nothing important or notable about it.
 * There isn't much apparent notability to the MP3 music awards.
 * I think you stand a better chance with the IDMA, but it still needs discussion.
 * You are still putting in far too much detail into "chart performance". It is not supposed to be a listing of every chart position that the song achieved on every chart. It isn't supposed to detail the trajectory of the song as it rises and falls, either.&mdash;Kww(talk) 16:05, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay. But please search in the history of SWEET DREAMS, you will see that a registered user once told in March 2010 that AN AWARD IS AN AWARD and that it should not be removed. That's why i added it.

Chart Certifications
Hi there. Just to clarify the decision to remove sales from the certificates table was made at Wikipedia talk:record charts as it was concluded that some certificates are based on shipments and not sales which then gives an inaccurate picutre of how well an album has actually sold. That is why we link the column name to the music sales certification page. specific sales should be given in prose if known but should not be sourced from the certificate ideally.Lil-unique1 (talk) 13:15, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

HI I'M BACK. SORRY FOR LATE REPLY. THANKS FOR YOUR PRECIOUS INFORMATION. ACTUALLY MY COMPUTER WAS SENT FOR REPAIRS. NOW I'M BACK AND I'M VERY HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!

I Am... Sasha Fierce: Certifications
I have removed all the markets (Hungary, Japan and Portugal) from the table, the certifications of which cannot be verified due to those markets not offering certification databases at the moment. Please do not re-insert them again. Also refrain from inflating the number of Platinum-awards the album has received in Ireland and Poland as you have done in this edit. Bear in mind that similar alterations to the article will constitute vandalism and will be treated as such. Regards.--Harout72 (talk) 05:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

New certification questions
Whilst I understand your concerns about the Irish certificates situation we must be very careful. IRMA and other recording industry associations provide certificates upon request. Record labels have to apply for them and the associated recording association verifies the sales and shipments. certificates are awarded either by sales (the number of copies actually bought) or by shipments (the number of copies requested by retailers). Equally one must understand that chart positions do not always correlate directly with certifications. An album can earn certificates without ever charting very highly. For example Echo by Leona Lewis was certified 2x platinum in the UK despite falling quickly out of the top 40. It is for these reasons that only the certification provider e.g. RIAA, BPI, IRMA can be used the credible source for an album's certificates. The source must come from a IRMA pressrelease or from the IRMA website to claim the album is 4x platinum. Record companies can easily inflate the success of an artist otherwise. Finally Columbia Records/Music World Entertainment have a long history of exageration when it comes to Beyoncé. In 2005 they tried to claim that Beyoncé wrote "Emotion" even though its widely known that the song is a BeeGees classic. That's all the more reason to only trust the certifying body. Its not a question of logic its a question of fact because chart positions are relative not absolute. One week an album selling 105,000 copies could top the Hot 100 but then the following week the number one album could have sold 4 times as much. Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks but i didn't understand everything you said. But thanks anyway. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 17:58, 12 June 2010 (UTC))


 * which parts did you not understand? i shall try and explain them easier... Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

in fact several websites give sales of I Am...Sasha Fierce and something which is true is that certain industries do not frequently upgrade certifications. For instance, I Am...Sasha Fierce has already surpassed sales of 3 million units, yet RIAA has not upgraded the certification. Another one is Single Ladies which has sold more than 4 million downloads as fron April 2010, yet RIAA has not upgraded it. Sweet Dreams has sold more than 350000 units in UK. Yet, it does not even has a Silver certification. But anyway, let me tell you that you are very kind and patient because you always try your best to explain things to me in the simplest way. DID YOU SEE THE MAJOR CHANGES I HAVE DONE IN I AM...SASHA FIERCE? I am sure it will pass for GA or even FA now. But someone needs to appeal for it i guess. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC))


 * Well this is the thing that makes certificates a difficult thing. Just because you sell 3 million copies doesn't mean your automatically entitled to a platinum certificate. The LABEL has to APPLY for the certificate from RIAA and RIAA awards the certificate based upon VERIFIED distribution or sales. That is why the recording industry association e.g. RIAA is seen as a more credible source than the record label itself. RIAA is the one who provides the certificate not sony music. The sales level e.g. 1 million = platinum states WHEN a album can be certified platinum but selling 1 million copies doesn't automatically give it the right to be called a platinum album. Give me chance to read through the album and check the sources etc. Don't worry we will nominate it for GA and get it passed it will just require patience. The GA reviews are a lengthy process and will point on millions of errors/changes we've overlooked. They're very thorough. If you insist on trying to get the album passed A.S.A.P you can nominate the album yourself at WP:GA (you don't have to wait for us to do it). But bare in mind the whole reason i've tagged the article and been working on it is because im already working on two GA's and I'm using the feedback from their to improve this article at the same time. GA feedback is usually timeconstrained also. Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:29, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks buddy, now i have understood. Really you are great, you make things so easy to understand. I wish all my teachers were like you. Thanks, you are the best. I wish from the bottom of heart that we were brothers. Concerning the nomination, i will let you read through it though i havbe made all necessary changes found on the discussion page because you have a better knowledge of all that. See you soon. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 07:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC))

A couple of things
First, I'm glad to see that your use of sources is getting much better. You are starting to use edit summaries as well, which is generally a good thing. Some of your edit summaries, like this one, are unacceptable though. Please don't use the edit summary to shout at editors you disagree with.

I would also like to understand why you made this edit.&mdash;Kww(talk) 13:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * There is a link for Poland Certifications. When you enter it, It will go on GOLD certification Frst. Choose Platinum. You will see the a lbum has a 2x Platinum Certification. I am not lying. Concerning Ireland, some websites say that it has a 4x Platinum Certification. Even IRMA was telling this in 2009. Someone deleted it. Do You thinks it is possible for an album to have only a 4x Platinum Certification if it is in the top 25 of Ireland since 75 consecutive weeks?
 * I changed the link to point to http://www.zpav.pl/rankingi/wyroznienia/platynowe/index.php . It's always best to provide a reference that allows people to click and see the data. As for Ireland, I can only go by what is on IRMA's website.&mdash;Kww(talk) 13:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

You are very nice unlike others. I have something to request you for the page???????????


 * It really is things like the ALL CAPS that turns people off. It makes them assume that you mean to have done something wrong instead of just not provided the perfect link. The nicer you are, the more likely it is that people will work with you. You have a question?&mdash;Kww(talk) 13:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

You are very nice unlike others. I have something to request you for the page??????????? Worldwide sales have exceeded 7 million. Add US, UK, EURope, It already exceeds 6.2 million. ( 3 million + 1.2 million + 2 million) Now add ARIA, CANADA, GERMANY, NEW ZEALAND MIDDLE EAST POLAND PORTUGAL SPAIN RUSSIA BRAZIL IRELAND HUNGARY. Overall it exceeds 7,055,000 units. I calculated it with my calculator. I am only 16 years old but i do well in maths at school. THANKS FOR YOUR ADVISE. WISH I HAD A CARING BROTHER LIKE YOU. SORRY FOR ALL THE BAD THINGS I TOLD YOU IN THE PAST.
 * I can't do that unless you show me a source for every figure you are adding. I'm going to be away from my computer for about five hours, so you have time to find them.&mdash;Kww(talk) 13:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually i calculated it from the album certifications itself. To know about the award assigned for sales, i used wikipedia itself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_recording_sales_certifications Anyway i understand that you need a source. I will find one. THANKS


 * Jivesh boodhun, in case you don't know this, Europe's 2x Platinum contains UK's 4x Platinum for I Am... Sasha Fierce. As for your edits, had you provided the proper sources for both Japan's and Hungary's certifications the first time, your insertions would have remained in place. You only chose to provide the correct ones at your second attempt, . And as pointed out above by Kww, you should refrain from calling other editors names in edit-summaries, your being 16 year-old is not a reason enough to accept such behavior. This is what the total looks like per the available certifications:
 * US: 2 million
 * Europe: 2 million
 * Japan: 100,000
 * Canada: 160,000
 * Australia: 210,000
 * Brazil: 250,000
 * Middle East: 40,000
 * Russia: 20,000
 * New Zealand: 15,000


 * The total based on the markets above is barely 4.8 million. --Harout72 (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I think you lack vitamin A. I mean you have eyesight problem. I had provided the good reference for Japan. I got the impression you were waiting for me to come here to send me your message. You didn't even care to tell me sorry. But my mom has taught me good manners. I am ONLY sorry for not having initially put the good link for HUNGARY. Concerning Japan, you better have your eyes checked.

Is Uk really counted in EUROPE? Strange. If it was so, THE FAME by Lady GaGa Should have got a 3x Platinum certification by Europe till now. However, it only has a platinum certification.

PLZ Kww can you help me out? I Am...Sasha Fierce has a Plationum Certification in Netherlands but i don't have a proper reference for this. I only have this image where Beyonce is receiving the award. http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00625/beoyonce1_jpg_625183c.jpg PLEASE HELP TO FIND A REFERENCE.

Concerning worldwide sales, I didn't find a proper link. Anyways thanks a lot. You are great. I pray you get a promotion.


 * Actually, Jivesh boodhun, Hungary was not the only one you failed to provide proper source for, Portugal too here. As for Lady Gaga's UK certification, 4 x Platinum there translates into 1.2 million (Platinum=300,000) and from Germany Gaga has another 5x Gold (500,000), these are the main markets that generate the 70% of the sales in Europe. Gaga's 2nd Europe-platinum will most probably appear in 2010's 1st quarter (once it's updated) for sales of over 2 million.--Harout72 (talk) 17:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The reference for Portugal was good until ths week since the album dropped off the chart this week. So it's obvious you would not see the certification. ANYWAY, LET'S STOP FIGHTING. CAN WE BE FRIENDS????????? My friendship with Kww began like this.

At Kww I got the link for Ireland But not for the worldwide sales. Thanks for your help. Look at the changes i have made to I Am...Sasha Fierce. CERTIFICATIONS. I hope you will like it.

IS UK REALLY COUNTED IN EUROPE? The provider for UK is BPI, that of EUROPE is IFPI. Please tell me. I want another editor apart from Harout72 to tell me this because i don't understand when he explains.


 * Harout72 is right. The BPI is a member of the IFPI.&mdash;Kww(talk) 05:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

OK. CAN YOU HELP ME TO FIND A CERTIFICATION FOR THE ALBUM IN CROATIA. And concerning Greece, the album recently dropped off the chart. It was said it has a platinum certification. The problem is that the chart does not offer ARCHIVES. I don't know how to find it. Please help if you can.

Can i insert sales or shipments for I AM...SASHA FIERCE??????????? I have seen it for oher albums.

Beyoncé peaks in Japan
Please stop changing Beyoncé's peak positions for Dangerously in Love and B'Day in Japan to number 1. If you just check the sources, you'll see that the former reached number 12 and the latter reached number 4. Thank you.  Snap Snap  12:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

OKAY. I have to ask you something?????????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jivesh boodhun (talk • contribs)


 * What do you mean?  Snap Snap  13:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Can i insert sales or shipments for I AM...SASHA FIERCE??????????? I have seen it for oher albums.


 * If you just want to list a group of numbers based on certifications, please don't. People are starting to remove those from articles all over Wikipedia. If you have a reliable source that actually lists sales for a large amount of the world, that may be OK to add.&mdash;Kww(talk) 14:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Formatting
This looks better in the article.&mdash;Kww(talk) 16:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi i hope you are doing great. I know you are right but do not take me wrong. I have not understood how you do that. It's a bit complicated. Can you explain in simpler terms?

Uncivilty
You are very close to being reported for being uncivil. Your comment on the edit summary for Radio (Beyonce Knowles song) where you said "now shut your mouth" in capital letters is not acceptable. Instead of simply editing and reverting why did you not ask me as to why i kept removing the cover? Dutchcharts.nl use fan sites as covers for songs. If you dont believe me look here....

This page is the dutch charts page for cheryl Cole's "fight for this love". Notice how it includes one single cover (the official one at the bottom of the page) and then two unofficial ones? Those two are fan made covers. How can "Radio" have an official cover when it was never released seperately to PURCHASE as a single? it was only released as PART of the album (as an individual download hence it has same release date as the album). Lil-unique1 (talk) 01:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, i'm sorry. I have already been told not to talk like that again but the one who told me this before you didn't exagerrate so much. It's on my talk page and if i was rude to you (i mean i know was rude), why didn't you tell me the same day? WHY SO MANY DAYS LATER? WHY DID YOU REMOVE "RADIO" YEAR END CHART? AREN'T YOU SUPPOSED TO GIVE A REASON JUST LIKE I ALWAYS GIVE????????????

I request an editor to have a look at EGO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_(Beyonc%C3%A9_Knowles_song) It has not been released in the UK. See history i have place a link.http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a37650/singles-release-diary-200910-archive.html

My Birthday
Hey guys, it's my birthday today May 12. Won't you wish me a HAPPY BIRTHDAY? I turned 17 today. I especially would like Kww to wish me. Please.

I am... Sasha Fierce
I notice that you are also editing the article I Am... Sasha Fierce, specifically the section "Release History", but don't worry about it, I'm expanding it in my User talk:Tbhotch/Sandbox. Thank you. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 18:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * OKAY, Thanks but i cannot find references for certain countries like CHILE, INDONESIA AND CZECH.
 * So, we don't have to add it if there's no source. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  18:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I request an editor to have a look at EGO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_(Beyonc%C3%A9_Knowles_song) It has not been released in the UK. See history i have place a link.http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a37650/singles-release-diary-200910-archive.html !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Certifications
If you find certifications on other articles sourced to fansites or music company sites, please remove them. Only the certification site (or official chart sites listed on WP:GOODCHARTS) should be used as a source for certifications. Fansites and music companies exaggerate. Sony Music, in particular, lies to inflate its artists' reputations.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay but this should also be removed for other articles in wikipeda or else it would be unfair.


 * Like I said: if you see missourced certifications in other articles, you should remove them. It's best to check the official site first.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Release history
I HAVE GOT SOME LINKS TO GIVE YOU TO EXPAND THE RELEASE HISTORY OF I AM...SASHA FIERCE http://www.yesasia.com/global/i-am-sasha-fierce-2cd-deluxe-version/1013058898-0-0-0-en/info.html

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=SICP-2405

Changes to I Am... Sasha Fierce
On the whole you are a good editor but you are a little head-strong. You need to understand the points made in WP:Other stuff exists. Pointing to any old article saying "its like that there so it should be like that here" is not an acceptable argument. The editing criteria listed at Talk:I Am... Sasha Fierce is designed to help the article pass GA once its nominated. The aim is to get the article to WP:Featured Article because then you can point others to this article and say this passes all wikipedia guidelines. I hope you understand what's trying to be achieved now? Lil-unique1 (talk) 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

OKAY. Well you said it right (about my character). THANKS

BUT WASN'T THE SOURCE FOR CHINA CERTIFICATION GOOD????????????????????
 * No. Certifying agencies and licensed chart archives only. Not newspapers, fansites, forums, or music companies.&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

My World 2.0
Hi there, i see you have added information to the Chart Performance on My World 2.0. Thank you for you contribution but unfortunately your edit has been reversed. A chart summery should only list key details, not every chart positioning should be mentioned, that's what the chart section is for. Take a look at these GA's for reference : The Fame, FutureSex/LoveSounds, Confessions on a Dance Floor. If you have any questions or concerns please message me on my Talk Page ..:CK:..  ( talk 2 me ) 18:16, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Certifications
Again: please do not add certifications unless you can source them directly to the certifying agencies website or to a licensed chart site. That includes this edit, which I am reverting again.

You seem to be getting back into the habit of edit-warring, and that is a very bad habit. If you introduce material and another editor removes it, talk about it before restoring the material, and don't restore the material until after there is consensus to include it.&mdash;Kww(talk) 15:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok i will not do it again but try to understand that NVPI has archives only until 2006. Don't worry, i will not get into that bad habit again.


 * For a third time now... under any circumstances regardless of what Sony Music or BeyonceOnline says... the CERTIFYING AGENCY is the only 100% CREDIBLE source for certificates. Certificates which do not come from the certifying Agency cannot be used. Also i echo Kww's comments above. If you are unhappy with the removal of content by myself or another editor discuss it on the talk page and wait until there is a consensus to take different action.Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Beyoncé Knowles discography
Why are you removing the semi-protection template on this page while it is semi-protected? - eo (talk) 15:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, i didn't mean to remove it. I just wanted to re-add AVE MARIA.

Billboard Brazil
In this edit, you sourced a chart position to Billboard Brazil. That seems surprising to me. How did you get a copy of Billboard Brazil in Mauritius? Since you don't speak Portuguese, why would you want to?&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I got it form Twitter through Mariah Account. As you know I WNT TO KNOW WHAT LOVE IS by Mariah Carey has been at number 1 since 27 weeks. It was also at number on April 1, 2010 when Sweet Dreams was at #2.

Moreover in MAURITIUS, we learn several languages both on paper and orally. We speak good french along with good creole. We have Spanish, portuguese, chinese............... courses which we follow once we get 15 that is in 9th stansard. (Known as form 4 in Mauritius)
 * OK, I will be calm, but what you have done is very, very wrong. When you placed that citation, you were saying "I, Jivesh Boodhun, looked at the April, 2010 issue of Billboard Brazil, saw a chart on page 79, and that chart said that Sweet Dreams was at position 2." You had done no such thing: you had received a tweet. Tweets are not permissible as sources. Don't ever include a citation to anything that you haven't personally looked at.&mdash;Kww(talk) 15:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay don't be angry but i didn't really get the point. Please explain it to me in simpler English. Please, i'll be grateful to you. Can i insert certificatins for I Am...Sasha Fierce using as reference the official website of different music recording industries? But you will need to create an account in each of them to get access to certifications.

Oh i understand now. But trust me it was true. I didn't only verify twitter. It was on Billboard Brazil, i mean the page i added. The problem is that it doesn't provide archives so that you can check it.

So the information was not good??? Please reply to my question about the certifications.


 * The problem is that you didn't see the magazine yourself, so you cannot add the reference. Their website doesn't work, and you can't use forums, chat sites, or tweets as sources. Only people that actually get Billboard Brazil can add the references.


 * For the certifications, you will have to provide a specific URL of an exact page showing the certification on the certifying agency. It's OK to need a login, so long as you have the login, and you look it up. Don't ask someone else to look it up for you.&mdash;Kww(talk) 15:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Beyonce Awards
Because there are so many it has made a mess of the article. I've removed it for time being. Can i recommend that you work on it on the talk page first. Remove all sub-headings because it makes the article navigation too difficult and only include the awards which the album has won OR only include awards relevant to the ALBUM and not the Singles. You could format it as ONE table but as it currently stands it will not pass GA. It does need to be sourced again for GA purposes. Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay i will do it but i will have to put the awards concerning singles (at least some of them) because in the references i am about to insert, it clearly shows that the singles are representing the album for a specific award.

Sandbox version
Please edit it at User:Jivesh boodhun/Iamsasha until it looks right. You can see what Lil-unique is complaining about: you need to put the reference by each award, and you can't have all those "===" things showing all over. Once you're done, I'll help you put it in the main article.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

How should i use it?????????????

Like either page on Wikipedia, you can edit it adding references, and other things. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 19:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, i will do it tomorrow. I have a lot of homework for tomorrow.


 * its ok no need to apologise for being a kid. you have helped greatly in the album which i am greatful for. i will help you after my exam (which is on saturday). Lil-unique1 (talk) 20:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks, you are very kind, i will pray so that you excel. BEST OF LUCK. Trust me, you will rock!!!!!!!!!!

I have completed it. i want to thank Lil uinque, Kww and Thotbth (Sorry if i have wrongly written the names) for having encouraged me although ihad disobeyed them a lot in the past. Thanks for everything. I LOVE BEYONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 * I'll ask Lil-Unique to look it over, and I'll move it back tomorrow (I'm travelling, so I can't log in as often as usual).&mdash;Kww(talk) 12:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Remove "Ave Maria"
From the article, Beyoncé Knowles discography

"Ave Maria" isn't a promo single or soundtrack why have to put this song into "Soundtrack and promotional singles" section. It's only charted on UK, but it doesn't mean that it must be a single. I already worte this on the talk page of that article, pls see before undid my edit. MeeLP (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I Am... Sasha Fierce / Award
THANKS, you will not believe me but you touched my heart. I could not control my tears. Perhaps it is because i'm just a kid. Thanks again. I owe evetything to your patience and advice, not forgetting those of Kww and Thobtch.
 * This is when wikipedia works best - the power of combined editing. One idea plus one idea equals three ideas lol. Synergy! Keep up the good work... we have lots more to do on the article before it can pass GA and maybe even —WP:FA. Lil-unique1 (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

So tell me how i can help? How was your exam?


 * well we need to expand the music section by taking information about the reviews and searching the internet for interviews beyonce gave whilst recording the album. A full list of things is on the talk page. My accounting exam went quite well thank you. It was challenging but not as much as i was expecting. Thanks for asking. Lil-unique1 (talk) 02:56, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm very happy for you. I will try my best.


 * No problems. Between me, you and Tbhotch im sure we can get all of the changes done. slowly but surely.Lil-unique1 (talk) 03:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Please help me. What is a "COPY EDIT"????????????????????


 * im gonna move then page to your sandbox and work on it there please because currently it is a copyright violation. Lil-unique1 (talk) 11:46, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for guiding me as usual. But what do you mean by Copyright Violation?


 * basically the information has been directly copied from sources. Only small quotes are allowed and you should not analyse the information etc. please work on it here Lil-unique1 (talk) 11:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

okay
 * Keep up the good work, i'll keep checking and helping throughout the day. Lil-unique1 (talk) 11:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You mean to say that i should try writing it on my own words? Or do you mean that i should take data fron several websites instead of only one for the Composition Section?
 * You should only take the relevant parts of the source. Fight for This Love is something i recently worked on, notice how i used two sources to give a commentary of the music video in the synopsis section. As a side note the introduction you've written focusses too much on the singles. don't worry bout the introduction. i'll do one right at the end cus then i can summarise all of the new information that we have in the article.Lil-unique1 (talk) 13:16, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Comosition and SASHA FIERCE
See if you like it now. I have done some major changes. Can i insert pictures of Beyonce performing songs from the album? I saw that they have been used in other FA albums.
 * I will search the commons for free images and get back to you on that. Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I have an interesting article which may help to expand SASHA FIERCE ++++ there are a lot of interviews in it given by beyonce http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=604

Thanks for improving my own page. SEE MY WORK PLEASE. Tell me what i can do to further improve it if needed.

I will be off the whole day. I'm going for Educational Tour. See you in 24 hours or less.

Also can you look at the sasha fierce and release & promotion sections? i've tagged them for you... Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I WILL SUBMIT IT IN 2 HOURS OR LESS.

sorry i was tired, i went for hiking, i will do it in 12 hours. i fell asleep yesterday. i was exhausted. please try to understand.

I have already done it. I HAVE ADDED "COMPOSITION", "SASHA FIERCE" and "LIVE PERFORMANCES" sections. I have added infi to MUSIC and BACKGROUND sections. Do you like it? AND YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON WRITING A "GOOD LEAD" FOR THE ALBUM? Have you done it? I'm eager to see it. Reply me quickest possible. I also appologised for my absence yesterday. See 1 paragraph before.

I am...
How should i insert pictures in wikipedia. I have pictures which will help people to understand the concept of SASHA FIERCE a lot better rather than when readind it. http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=604 I also have pictures showing live performances of Beyonce. 2009 MTV AWARDS PERFORMING SWEET DREAMS http://www.info4security.com/Pictures/web/d/d/k/MTVEuropeAwards3.jpg 2008 WORLD MUSIC AWARDS PERFORMING SINGLE LADIES http://top40.about.com/od/awards/ig/2009-MTV-VMAs-in-Pictures/Beyonce-at-2009-VMAs.htm 2008 X FACTOR IF I WERE A BOY http://showhype.com/video/x_factor_2008_beyonce_if_i_were_a_boy_sung_live_on_the/ 52nd GRAMMY AWARDS http://thatgrapejuice.net/2010/01/grammy-awards-2010-performances/

How should i insert pictures in wikipedia. I have pictures which will help people to understand the concept of SASHA FIERCE a lot better rather than when readind it. http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=604 I also have pictures showing live performances of Beyonce. 2009 MTV AWARDS PERFORMING SWEET DREAMS http://www.info4security.com/Pictures/web/d/d/k/MTVEuropeAwards3.jpg 2008 WORLD MUSIC AWARDS PERFORMING SINGLE LADIES http://top40.about.com/od/awards/ig/2009-MTV-VMAs-in-Pictures/Beyonce-at-2009-VMAs.htm 2008 X FACTOR IF I WERE A BOY http://showhype.com/video/x_factor_2008_beyonce_if_i_were_a_boy_sung_live_on_the/ 52nd GRAMMY AWARDS http://thatgrapejuice.net/2010/01/grammy-awards-2010-performances/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jivesh boodhun (talk • contribs) 17:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I cannot, those images are copyrighted. According to Rule #1 of fair use "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose". This mean that if those images are moments in history, can be uploaded. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  17:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Another note. on commons, there are several images of Beyoncé on the I am... Tour -> here Tb hotch Ta lk C.  17:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Live performances
Can i insert performances from her worldwide tour in this section???????????

Yes. if you go to wikipedia commons (google wikipedia commons) and search for images of beyoncé. any images on there has a free use license and can be used in the article. Lil-unique1 (talk) 14:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

OKAY but how will i inser them????????????? This is what i have not been able top do.

In I Am...Sasha Fierce, what do you mean by expanding the music session + changing the "Release and promotion" session to "Marketing and promotion"??????? Tell me so that i camn help. DID YOU MEAN USES OF SONGS FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES? Actuall y i just inserted such information in the Live Performance session. SEE IT.

Sweet Dreams
I am planning to make this article a GA category single. I will start the work in June. I just need your consent (Lil-unique).


 * hey i just an ordinary regular editor. you dont need any special permission from me to do so. lets see if we can get the album done first. Lil-unique1 (talk) 03:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

OKAY, you may be ordinary for others but for me you are the best and a role model to follow.
 * Oh thank you, that's really flattering. I've reverted some of your edits because the composition section was unwarranted copyright violation. i tried to copyedit the section but couldn't without violating the source. It is also a copying what has already been said in the music and conception sections. The "Sweet Dreams" image is not required as there are already sufficient number of images already in place. I hope you understand? Also i've only included the most siginificant performances, performances of general songs should appear on the song's page not on the album's page. Also when you leave me a new message on this page can you please go to my talk page add the talkback template? Thanks and regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It came from the bottom of my heart. Thanks for your patience. Next time, i will do what you told me.
 * Sorry i know its confusing all this... if you leave a message on my talk page you need to sign it with four tildes (signature). I'm going to say no to a seperate sasha fierce section. There is lots of information about her already in the conception and production section so having a seperate sasha section is redundent. Also the fact is sasha fierce was not used to promote the latter singles as much and the whole thing fizzled out. Its almost ready for GA nom. i think. i'm gonna read through it fully and sort the referencing out soon. Thanks for all your help. Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I only have one last question. I know you must be tired but please answer my question. I get time to use my computer only at this hour. It is 22 05 here. WHAT DOES IT LACK TO PASS FOR FA if it can pass for GA?
 * haha dont worry bout it its 7.20pm in the UK. erm i'm not sure tbh... i've never been through the process b4 i just know that its easier to get FA from GA. Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Goodnight, i'm going to bed and i need to revise because i will be having a maths, english, french, chemistry and physics test this week. And as i told you before i intend to make "If i were a boy", "Single ladies", "Halo" and "Sweet Dreams" GA articles. In B'DAY, the award section requires attention. I will make an award table just like that of I AM...SASHA FIERCE. Long live Beyonce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * ok well good night. thanks for all your work. Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I need to thank you. I owe everything to you. I will leave a question. REPLY ME WHENEVER YOU CAN. Is it possible for a single not to be certified SILVER by BPI although it has sold more than 200,000 units??? Sweet Dreams has already sold 350,000 units. Yet it has not got any certification.

I Am... Intro
Sorry to keep reverting but mentioning every single in the lead section is not necessary. there are 8 singles and we could be accused of being biased or only including certain singles. Despite popular belief it is If I were A boy and Single Ladies that are the two most siginificant singles. they were most successful and garned the most critical reception. The single's section of this article is more substantial than any other article i've seen. Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

OK BUT THERE IS AN ERROR (GRAMMAR) IN THE INTRO. I will correct it. It is just after the Grammy stuff.

Sweet Dreams
I'm planning to make this article a GA one. Can you help me? I mean can you advise and give me an idea of what i have to do? The article is already quite good but it is known as C-Class and HALO is so good, despite of this it is a B-Class article. Help me a bit.
 * Yes, of course, but please the next time use my talkpage instead. I'll left comments on the article's talkpage Tb hotch Ta lk C.  16:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

THANKS, great then.


 * I'll look into capturing an image from the video. give me a few days though. im quite busy as you'll see on my talk page and home page with househunting!Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 21:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
 Mr. R00t    Leave me a Message   01:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * here is the message that r00t left you. [[User:Tbhotch| Tb hotch]Ta lk C. 16:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Screaming in edit summaries
Edits like this one don't work. You haven't explained why you think your version is better, and you haven't made any effort to explain anything to Gagayonce. You just called his edits "useless". Do you ever change your mind because someone calls your work "useless"? Probably not.&mdash;Kww(talk) 15:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay but the editor always does the same thing. My mom always tells me DOING IS MISTAKE IS OK BUT REPEATING THE SAME MISTAKE (especially on purpose) IS INDEED A PROBLEM. I amm not the first one to tell him or she to stop changing the presentation of the singles. Just see the talkpage of the editor. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC))

Uploading A Picture for the music video of Sweet dreams
Can you upload a picture for the video? I don't know how to do that. There was one before but it has been removed. I don't know why. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 19:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC))
 * First, it is important to choose a pic that does not fails the rule #8 of non-free content. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  01:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Halo
Well, it need more sources (in some sections), a little more expantion on "Promotion section" and more reorganization, for example, the award section should dissapear (from list to prose). Also, references need cite web format. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 17:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

From list to prose? whats this? i will help you with the rest (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC))


 * I mean that the list itself its unnecessary and need to be in the article (on the reception section). For example, "On X year, "Halo" was nominated for the "Award" in the category of "Best X Song". Also, in the same year, it won the "Award" for "Category". Tb hotch Ta lk C.  17:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

OKAY, thanks for explaining. I am going to bed. Ity's very very late here. I will do it tomorrow. I have already added some info to the PROMOTION SECTION. See if you like it. Goodnight. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 18:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC))

I am... Sasha Fierce
HI, haven't heard from you since so long. Hope you are doing great. Actually i wanted to know what the article lacks to pass for GA now? It is already so good. And everything has been completed. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 16:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC))


 * Personally, I always request a review of the articles before nominate them to WP:GAN, due my bad english and that stuff. Sometimes works, another times not at all, but if you feel like this -> (from WP:RGA) "when someone nominates an article, what he or she is really saying is probably: 'I have done all that I can so far to improve this article. I think it is a good piece of work. Could you please review it, and if it is, please pass it. If it is not, what can I do to improve it?'" -> you should nominate it. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  16:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Well thanks and i just want to tell you that your english is not bad, especially you are young just like me. Thanks for everything. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 16:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC))

Hi Jivesh, Sorry i've only just finished university exams. Im now working on passing this, "Fight for This Love" and I Look to You for GA. I am going to read through all of I Am... Sasha Fierce and sort the referencing out. Im not sure if it will pass yet because the reviews are quite thorough. All in good time though... Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but why does it lack? I may help, i have also finished my exams (not university), so i may help. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 17:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC))
 * Thank you. Erm I'm not sure because i've not read through it full but it needs thoroughly checking for grammer, spelling, tense, diallect, and references (e.g. deadlinks need replacing). All references need to be properly and fully expanded using cite web or cite news. Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks, i will correct the grammar errors and replace the links but about the references, i do not know how to fix them. Thanks again.

Poison by Beyonce
This song featured on the EP I Am...Sasha Fierce released in 2010 has become very popular in Korea and has reached number 1. So do you think we should create a page for it?


 * We were so lucky with "Why Don't You Love Me", because it easily would be deleted. But in this case "Poison" fails WP:nsongs. Like Mind Is The Magic, just because had a chart in a country, it doeesn't mean that deserve an article. Try to expand "Poison" in your sandbox and if you consider that the article have enough information, create it. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  16:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks.

Halo
What does it lack to pass for GA? If you want, i can chaeck grammar, tense and punctuations. I am good at that. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC))


 * I'm just waiting a third (or fourth) opinion, though somethings seems that are right, sometimes are wrong. And if you could make a copy edit, that would be fantastic!, Thank you. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  19:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry i wilL do it tomorrow. Now i'm going to bed. Thanks for being so kind. And please don't forget you have to help me with "Sweet Dreams" too. I am working to help it pass GA. (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 19:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC))